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2013-03-23 08:46:17 AM  
no it doesn't

its a good thing!
 
2013-03-23 09:37:40 AM  
The problem with this for the Republican party is that for years they've been covering up policies that are actively hostile and destructive to the lower classes (i.e. anyone who isn't already making 7 figures) by keeping people all pissed off about divisive social issues.  "Yeah, we're going to trash schools, let the infrastructure go to shiat, and keep there from being any sort of health care reform that would keep a health care crisis from bankrupting you, but at least the homos aren't gonna get married!"

Drop the social stuff, and voters might start taking a closer look at their other policies.
 
2013-03-23 10:40:03 AM  
There are plenty of conservatives in the GOP that are still upset about the Party "backsliding" on traditional marriage 40 years ago....by letting blacks and whites get married.

They may not say it that often in public but the hostility is just below the surface and everyone has an uncle who will let ya know he's still pissed, once he's got a few beers under his belt.
 
2013-03-23 12:10:12 PM  
Look, gay sex isn't  anywhereas hot if it's sanctioned by the state.  It needs to be forbidden to be sexy.

Wide stance in an airport bathroom: smokin' hot.

Waking up next to the same guy you've woken up next to for 15 years: meh, boring.

Republicans just want to keep their gay sex really hot.  Can you blame them?
 
2013-03-23 12:13:38 PM  
Some things should die. That's just unconscious knowledge ...

Or in the case of the GOP, blatantly obvious knowledge.
 
2013-03-23 12:28:37 PM  
I am 47 and I bet I will live to see the day that a Conservative on the National stage will be in a same sex marriage.

Of course this person will be proof that the Conservatives were always the party of equality.
 
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2013-03-23 12:28:42 PM  
jake_lex:

Drop the social stuff, and voters might start taking a closer look at their other policies.

That would mean dropping the Southern Strategy, which is their base.

They are stuck right now because they need minorities but they depend on the angry white men too much to give them up.

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2013-03-23 12:45:24 PM  
A.J. Spiker, the 32-year-old chairman of the Iowa Republican Party...  but I don't hear young people advocating for gay marriage..... I was the co-chair of Ron Paul's Iowa campaign, a liberty-minded group, and I don't hear it."

So liberty but not for all.
Maybe get out of the echochamber for awhile.
 
2013-03-23 12:53:08 PM  
Back traditional marriage?  Evolve on their view of the family?  The beautiful part is that the Republicans are screwed either way.
 
2013-03-23 01:08:26 PM  
They have every right to be outraged! It's an abomination unto the Lord!

All those anonymous men...
Shirtless...
Oiled up...
Thrusting...
And Romping in the garden of earthly delights

All that sinning... *gentle fanning motion* I may have to sit down
 
2013-03-23 01:19:56 PM  
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2013-03-23 01:56:42 PM  
I liked Portman in the primaries last year. He seemed like the only sane one. Although that is easy considering the also-rans in the republican primary.
 
2013-03-23 02:01:09 PM  
I'm surprised no one caught this yet:

AWashington Post/ABC poll found the highest-ever overall support for gay marriage, 58 percent. For the first time ever, young Republicans (under 49) were solidly in favor of gay marriage.
 
2013-03-23 02:02:19 PM  
It's fun to watch Republicans twist and contort. Any office holder who moderates his position in hopes of keeping his job will be called a RINO and get primaried in 2014.
 
2013-03-23 02:03:38 PM  
 I suppose the argument is that young people won't vote Republican unless the party changes on marriage, but I don't hear young people advocating for gay marriage. I was the co-chair of Ron Paul's Iowa campaign, a liberty-minded group, and I don't hear it

I worked for one of the leading theocrats in Congress, and I never heard from anyone who wanted to allow gay marriage.
 
2013-03-23 02:04:35 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I'm surprised no one caught this yet:

AWashington Post/ABC poll found the highest-ever overall support for gay marriage, 58 percent. For the first time ever, young Republicans (under 49) were solidly in favor of gay marriage.


In the GOP, that makes you practically a baby!
 
2013-03-23 02:04:59 PM  
This is what happens when you hitch your cart to evil and crazy.  If you don't go far enough, they don't support you.  If you do go far enough, no one else will support you.

GOP policies have been about short term results at the expense of long term ones for a while.  Looks like the long term is finally getting here.
 
2013-03-23 02:05:56 PM  
 In the last two cycles, 2008 and 2012, we've nominated the most moderate candidates in McCain and Romney. We got crushed.

Citation needed on the theory that anyone in the republican base was so offended at a 'moderate' conservative that they decided to either stay home or put in a protest vote for the socialist.
 
2013-03-23 02:07:02 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I'm surprised no one caught this yet:

AWashington Post/ABC poll found the highest-ever overall support for gay marriage, 58 percent. For the first time ever, young Republicans (under 49) were solidly in favor of gay marriage.


So, both of them?
 
2013-03-23 02:07:16 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Some things should die. That's just unconscious knowledge ...

Or in the case of the GOP, blatantly obvious knowledge.


Ooh Jane's Addiction reference in my Fark?

More likely than I thought. Noice. So what's the to do today?

FTA: For the first time ever, young Republicans (under 49) were solidly in favor of gay marriage.

Ah, the GOP begins to grasp what we've been saying all this time?

That's nice too.
 
2013-03-23 02:09:03 PM  
As long as the republican party can hang on to laaaawww enforcement and wacko rightwing judges they control the spice.
The rubes just help to keep the propaganda flowing.

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2013-03-23 02:09:17 PM  
"Committed Christians make up a huge voting bloc within the GOP," said A.J. Spiker, the 32-year-old chairman of the Iowa Republican Party. The "Ken Mehlman sliver of the party," he said, didn't play in Iowa. "We can't win elections without committed Christians staying engaged. I suppose the argument is that young people won't vote Republican unless the party changes on marriage, but I don't hear young people advocating for gay marriage. I was the co-chair of Ron Paul's Iowa campaign, a liberty-minded group, and I don't hear it."

You're either a liar or you're so deliberately insulated that you intentionally only talk to people that you know agree with all your positions so you never have to deal with the horror of being challenged on your ideas.
 
2013-03-23 02:10:23 PM  

spongeboob: I am 47 and I bet I will live to see the day that a Conservative on the National stage will be in a same sex marriage.

Of course this person will be proof that the Conservatives were always the party of equality.


And the "Did you know Robert Byrd was in the KKK" line will be replaced with "Did you know Bill Clinton signed DOMA?"
 
2013-03-23 02:10:31 PM  
Maybe once the GOP accepts Gays Lindsey Graham might not be so uptight?
 
2013-03-23 02:11:55 PM  
"I don't think the Republican Party will move away from traditional marriage," said Brown over the phone on Friday.

It is really pathetic that these nitwit actually think, or insist on framing the position, that it is an either/or issue.

DNRTFT, so if this is a repost, I apologize, but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jrngYNGNeE
 
2013-03-23 02:12:51 PM  

Karac: In the last two cycles, 2008 and 2012, we've nominated the most moderate candidates in McCain and Romney. We got crushed.

Citation needed on the theory that anyone in the republican base was so offended at a 'moderate' conservative that they decided to either stay home or put in a protest vote for the socialist.


McCain and Romney couldn't run away fast enough from their moderate positions either but I'm sure Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan could have won at the top of the ticket amirite?
 
2013-03-23 02:13:55 PM  
It's admirable that they're sticking to their values. Too bad their values suck.
 
2013-03-23 02:14:18 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: "Committed Christians make up a huge voting bloc within the GOP," said A.J. Spiker, the 32-year-old chairman of the Iowa Republican Party. The "Ken Mehlman sliver of the party," he said, didn't play in Iowa. "We can't win elections without committed Christians staying engaged. I suppose the argument is that young people won't vote Republican unless the party changes on marriage, but I don't hear young people advocating for gay marriage. I was the co-chair of Ron Paul's Iowa campaign, a liberty-minded group, and I don't hear it."

You're either a liar or you're so deliberately insulated that you intentionally only talk to people that you know agree with all your positions so you never have to deal with the horror of being challenged on your ideas.


If you're hanging out with the Paulestianian contingent, of course you're not going to hear about gay marriage.  They are too busy talking about gold, the fed, the UN, super-thermite and how the media cabal ignores Dr. RON PAUL.
 
2013-03-23 02:16:01 PM  
Portman's smart enough to have gotten the job as a US Senator, so he must have realized the implications of this.

He knows he will lose support from the religious conservatives, of which Ohio has plenty.  Remember, he hails from southern Ohio, where Touchdown Jesus resides (yeah, he burned down but they're rebuilding him), and within spittin' distance of the Creation Museum - religious schools here in Dayton take their students on field trips there.

He knows he will not win over die-hard leftists.  It's not like he changed any of his positions on taxation and fiscal policy.

The only potential voter segment he'd pick up would be the fiscal conservatives/social liberals.  I don't know how many there are, but they're generally quiet (i.e. don't make a ruckus in the media and don't write angry letters to the editor), and probably don't vote in primaries in the numbers that the religious conservatives do.  And I think most of them vote for him anyway.

He must have realized that publicly supporting gay marriage would not help him, and would likely hurt him politically.  He did it anyway.  Good for him.
 
2013-03-23 02:17:14 PM  

Karac: I suppose the argument is that young people won't vote Republican unless the party changes on marriage, but I don't hear young people advocating for gay marriage. I was the co-chair of Ron Paul's Iowa campaign, a liberty-minded group, and I don't hear it

I worked for one of the leading theocrats in Congress, and I never heard from anyone who wanted to allow gay marriage.


Remember, the only time Romney had the lead against Obama in the leadup to the actual election was after the first debate when he ran to the center and tried to make himself sound more moderate than he had in the past.

But go ahead and ignore that and stick with your own preconcieved beliefs instead GOP, I'm sure that will work out great for you.
 
2013-03-23 02:20:08 PM  

sheep snorter: As long as the republican party can hang on to laaaawww enforcement and wacko rightwing judges they control the spice.
The rubes just help to keep the propaganda flowing.

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In fairness, that guy didn't even win his primary for sheriff. He was never law enforcement.

Bonus: He left the country.
 
2013-03-23 02:23:45 PM  
Republicans such as Newt Gingrich and John McCain bailed on their traditional marriages a long time ago.
 
2013-03-23 02:24:43 PM  
Traditional marriage as in a drive through in Vegas wedding that can get annulled the next day or an old school traditional marriage that's arranged for the couple and is all about land and goat ownership?
 
2013-03-23 02:24:48 PM  
Most Republicans are ready for it and it won't hurt the party.  Is it a leap?  Sure, we're changing an institution that has served society well for thousands of years.  That's worth more than "oh by they way" consideration.  But what Portman said........good solid families make for good solid neighborhoods........that has merit and squares just fine with conservative (hopefully all) value systems.
 
2013-03-23 02:25:34 PM  

Mrtraveler01: AWashington Post/ABC poll found the highest-ever overall support for gay marriage, 58 percent. For the first time ever, young Republicans (under 49) were solidly in favor of gay marriage.


Even among those who oppose gay marriage, 59% think that it will be legal in half or more of the US states within 20 years, according to Fox News.

The hold-outs are disproportionately the strongly religious political conservatives.
 
2013-03-23 02:26:49 PM  
For the first time ever, young Republicans (under 49) were solidly in favor of gay marriage.
Advertisement. Overall, though, 59 percent of Republicans still opposed it. Republicans over 65, the party's most reliable voters, opposed gay marriage by a 68-25 margin.
...
said Brown over the phone on Friday. "There's no way a political party can abandon 80 percent of its electorate and survive. "


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2013-03-23 02:27:21 PM  
Republicans over 65, the party's most reliable voters, opposed gay marriage by a 68-25 margin.

That's because they matured into adolescence and young adulthood before the era of gay rights; those of this age group who ARE gay figure nobody ever cut them any slack for their hormones -- so why should they bestow any breaks on the "youngsters" who "have it so good" now?

It's a spite thing.

In my opinion.

But yes, there are the fundy freaks, too.
 
2013-03-23 02:29:38 PM  

theknuckler_33: For the first time ever, young Republicans (under 49) were solidly in favor of gay marriage.
Advertisement. Overall, though, 59 percent of Republicans still opposed it. Republicans over 65, the party's most reliable voters, opposed gay marriage by a 68-25 margin.
...
said Brown over the phone on Friday. "There's no way a political party can abandon 80 percent of its electorate and survive. "

facepalm.jpg


The GOP is pretty much wrong about everything.  Numbers are a thing.
 
2013-03-23 02:30:42 PM  
Republican leadership is stupid

they keep saying how they want to expand their membership...  yet they keep worrying about keeping the elderly vote. They should start polling on how many people would be willing to become republicans if they switched their stance on gay marriage. so loose some support from the elderly but i imagine huge gains from younger people
 
2013-03-23 02:32:20 PM  
an objective standard of morality, like the Bible

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2013-03-23 02:33:03 PM  

quatchi: Lionel Mandrake: Some things should die. That's just unconscious knowledge ...

Or in the case of the GOP, blatantly obvious knowledge.

Ooh Jane's Addiction reference in my Fark?

More likely than I thought. Noice. So what's the to do today?

FTA: For the first time ever, young Republicans (under 49) were solidly in favor of gay marriage.

Ah, the GOP begins to grasp what we've been saying all this time?

That's nice too.


On Fark, nothing's shocking.
 
2013-03-23 02:38:24 PM  

speckio: Republican leadership is stupid

they keep saying how they want to expand their membership...  yet they keep worrying about keeping the elderly vote. They should start polling on how many people would be willing to become republicans if they switched their stance on gay marriage. so loose some support from the elderly but i imagine huge gains from younger people


You think there's some giant group of young people who want to vote Republican but are single issue gay rights voters?  Really?
 
2013-03-23 02:41:32 PM  

speckio: Republican leadership is stupid

they keep saying how they want to expand their membership...  yet they keep worrying about keeping the elderly vote. They should start polling on how many people would be willing to become republicans if they switched their stance on gay marriage. so loose some support from the elderly but i imagine huge gains from younger people


That would require forward thinking, which is completely not what Republicanism is about. They're all about trying to bring back this idealized 1980s / 1950s / 1840s America that only exists when you cherry-pick some parts of it and completely gloss over/ignore everything else. Glossing over and ignoring everything that does not fit your idealized nostalgia is the main value they're defending. Consensus white-American fantasy circa some point in time in history. Blacks knew their place, we didn't have all these arabs and terrorists, and land owners could just build without the damn government telling them what they could and couldn't do.
 
2013-03-23 02:43:11 PM  

Emposter: speckio: Republican leadership is stupid

they keep saying how they want to expand their membership...  yet they keep worrying about keeping the elderly vote. They should start polling on how many people would be willing to become republicans if they switched their stance on gay marriage. so loose some support from the elderly but i imagine huge gains from younger people

You think there's some giant group of young people who want to vote Republican but are single issue gay rights voters?  Really?


Might be able to go after the RON PAUL crowd.

Although they're actually a pretty small group even though they are a very loud and obnoxious group.
 
2013-03-23 02:47:32 PM  

Generation_D: speckio: Republican leadership is stupid

they keep saying how they want to expand their membership...  yet they keep worrying about keeping the elderly vote. They should start polling on how many people would be willing to become republicans if they switched their stance on gay marriage. so loose some support from the elderly but i imagine huge gains from younger people

That would require forward thinking, which is completely not what Republicanism is about. They're all about trying to bring back this idealized 1980s / 1950s / 1840s America that only exists when you cherry-pick some parts of it and completely gloss over/ignore everything else. Glossing over and ignoring everything that does not fit your idealized nostalgia is the main value they're defending. Consensus white-American fantasy circa some point in time in history. Blacks knew their place, we didn't have all these arabs and terrorists, and land owners could just build without the damn government telling them what they could and couldn't do.


Well, you have to understand...The GOP is held together by fear and loathing.  The business conservatives fear and loathe change since it often bends toward more regulation and control over those businesses, not allowing them to rape the environment and the masses for profit.

The social conservatives fear and loathe change due to how more and more freedom come about due to change, and religious people have a sincere and honest hatred of freedom.  They don't want people to be free to do things that they personally morally disagree with.

By embracing change, the business wing will howl and squack and whine and complain, but efficiently pull back to the next line of defense.  They anticipate losses and prepare for them.

The social conservatives act a bit different.  God, after all, is on their side.  So, they're not going to abandon the line and embrace change.  They're just not going to do it.  They're going to have to run these religious zealots out of town completely.

It's funny, really.  The strengths of the social conservative(no retreat and no surrender, steadfast faith, no compromising with the enemy) are now being turned inward onto the GOP itself.
 
2013-03-23 02:49:35 PM  
Welfare meant churches and charity, there was no income tax, small town America was this thriving productive place. Everyone owned a gun, but nobody needed to use one because we were all Rugged Individuals who knew the value of Freedom, unless you mean to shoot injuns with, we needed em a bunch then. Dang redskins. Good thing God was on our side, by his Divine Provenance and Manifest Destiny we marched Westward to seek our fortune with His Grace and Blessing.

Where the biggest national tragedy was the Civil War, not because it meant 1/3 of Americans got killed over defending a treasonous act, but because they freed the slaves before anyone was ready to. Of course we would have eventually.

Republican means these things, it means Reagan's Morning in America, which looks good in a commercial and ignores the fact we were closing factories left and right and it was the start of guys like Romney and his vulture capitalist buddies destroying our infrastructure so he could make a profit.

Those same people want to con everyone into thinking if you just listen to them, everything will be back to normal -- the normal in their heads and nowhere else.

Its why they can't roll the clock forward on gays, its why they still freak out over some girl got an abortion, its why they can't allow any science in schools unless it's Bible Approved science. Its why they're still fighting the Civil War.

Its why when anyone tries to reason with them, you get Fox News Talking Points. Its White People Holding The Line and Standing Our Ground. Which then translates into some idiot asswit vigilante gunning down a black kid in cold blood, or translates into a suburban mom with a messed up kid who is empowered to go kill grade school kids.
 
2013-03-23 02:53:51 PM  

spongeboob: I am 47 and I bet I will live to see the day that a Conservative on the National stage will be in a same sex marriage.

Of course this person will be proof that the Conservatives were always the party of equality.


So you're saying you're a fan of Aubrey de Grey?
 
2013-03-23 03:07:10 PM  
FTFA: For the first time ever, young Republicans (under 49) were solidly in favor of gay marriage. Overall, though, 59 percent of Republicans still opposed it. Republicans over 65, the party's most reliable voters, opposed gay marriage by a 68-25 margin.


Soo... either they support gay marriage, and lose their most reliable voters, or continue to oppose it, and lose their youngest voters. Buh bye, GOP.
 
2013-03-23 03:08:32 PM  

spongeboob: A.J. Spiker, the 32-year-old chairman of the Iowa Republican Party...  but I don't hear young people advocating for gay marriage..... I was the co-chair of Ron Paul's Iowa campaign, a liberty-minded group, and I don't hear it."

So liberty but not for all.
Maybe get out of the echochamber for awhile.


Meh, I know a lot of libertarians and they are all supporters of gay rights. Most of them wouldn't put it at the level of major policy though. They aren't going to try to win elections on or against gay rights, they pretty much wouldn't mention it.  Its very much like Global Warming.
 
2013-03-23 03:11:44 PM  

sheep snorter: As long as the republican party can hang on to laaaawww enforcement and wacko rightwing judges they control the spice.
The rubes just help to keep the propaganda flowing.

[i.imgur.com image 617x442]


Who exactly is willing to kill, the Doctor and nurses who would do the procedure? He does know if he kills the woman attempting to terminate her pregnancy that the baby would die right, I ask because I am not sure if the Republicans understand reproduction, see for example how they think that women who have lots of sex need to take more birth control pills.
 
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