c4rr0tc4k3: Any sort of crop failure means increased food prices. When disasters happen the government steps in and makes sure those food prices wont skyrocket. People require fod you know, the government is not farking stupid like its citizens.
Snarfangel: Radioactive Ass: Agricultural "Welfare" is actually welfare for us all, especially the poor. Without it the farmers would have to raise their prices to cover their losses in the inevitable bad years. The first people who will start to starve would be the poorest amongst us that wouldn't be able to afford even the basic staples of nutrition.Then why not just give the money directly to the poor? That way, they could spend it on the food they want to eat, rather than just what had the best subsidies.
Weaver95: vpb:I wonder how humanity survived before crop subsidies?not very well, actually. if/when corps failed entire populations (and sometimes civilizations along with 'em) died out or scattered. sometimes they went to war with their more plentiful neighbors and took THEIR food. so do you want a stable society that can feed itself? then it pays to help farmers out through the lean years, as well as maintaining diversity in your food supply.
NFA: Yes, for god sakes lets inject more politics into food production so when can collapse our food supply too.This is nothing but an attempt to financially burden small farmers so that cash rich, corporate agriculture can have a larger slice of the profit pie.
atomicmask: the urban poor provide nothing.
Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: atomicmask: Who is trolling you, I used a biblical quote to put into light how city life would be without these subsides.And without us you'd be out there watching your food spoil and worrying about how you're going to make the mortgage this month without anyone buying your wares.You need us as much as we need you, pilgrim.
CruJones: Don't blame farmers for how the government decided to structure this. It's not like they really have a choice. It's how the system works.And McMansions on farmland? That doesn't even make sense.
vpb: What a bootstrap looks like:[www.godirect.org image 600x243]
vpb: Nonsense. farm subsidies protect farmers financially, it doesn't prevent droughts or disease or do anything at all to provide food.If farmers want crop insurance, fine. Let them pay for it themselves.
drjekel_mrhyde: Just don't you call it WELFARE, because only a inner city black and illegal alien thing
douchebag/hater: Subby? Do you have car insurance? Do you consider yourself self reliant?You do?Then geabod.
AverageAmericanGuy: Subby, are you complaining about the government program working as it's designed to? Or are you just making a big deal about people taking advantage of the government programs?Do you want to help farmers or not? If yes, then your complaints are weird and incongruous to your position. If no, then aren't you on the wrong side of the aisle?
atomicmask: You ultralib farkers can eat that concrete and bricks your democratic cities are made of right?right?if not, shut the fark up and pay for your food, and pay for ours also. We could easly feed ourselves if we grew for local consumption rather then global production. We have plenty of land, resources, and the ability to plant mixture of crops to have a stable diet. You however, would have to eat the daydreams and bullshiat your lives are made of if we did that. You would not have bread, meat, or beer. You subside because if you didn't, you would starve. Two pounds of wheat for a day's wages, and six pounds of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine! You would be living it.
jjorsett: Weaver95: jjorsett: Rugged, independent, small-government farmersSince when? Farmers have become whiny, subsidy-dependent vassals of the State.you've never been through farm country, have you?The farm country that's getting subsidized crop "insurance"? Sure I have, many times. I'm the first generation of my family who was born elsewhere, and I still go back.
Snarfangel: why not just give the money directly to the poor? That way, they could spend it on the food they want to eat
jjorsett: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: jjorsett: Farmers have become whiny, subsidy-dependent vassals of the State.Yes, yes, that's an excellent line of attack. Please, proceed.What, I'm supposed to condone dependency, market distortion, and rent-seeking just because <i>some</i> people sharing <i>some</i>of my ideological beliefs do? Puhleeze. I'll attack stupid and/or destructive ideas no matter who holds them. Consistency, try it some time.
Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: jjorsett: Farmers have become whiny, subsidy-dependent vassals of the State.Yes, yes, that's an excellent line of attack. Please, proceed.
Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Welfare farmer queens in Cadillacs taking my hard-earned money!
vpb: I wonder how humanity survived before crop subsidies?
jjorsett: Rugged, independent, small-government farmersSince when? Farmers have become whiny, subsidy-dependent vassals of the State.
jjorsett: Farmers have become whiny, subsidy-dependent vassals of the State.
vpb: NFA: Yes, for god sakes lets inject more politics into food production so when can collapse our food supply too.This is nothing but an attempt to financially burden small farmers so that cash rich, corporate agriculture can have a larger slice of the profit pie.Right. Let's get rid of those subsidies.Or were you saying that free market capitalism doesn't work and we need welfare for farmers?
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