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(The Raw Story)   US Senate passes budget resolution, after "herculean" effort. News: For the first time since 2009. Now it turns to the House, where it will take an act of God   (rawstory.com) divider line 33
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2013-03-23 11:16:25 AM  
6 votes:
I'm really old school.  I expect people to pay for the things they claim to want, like wars and tax cuts, by either specifying particular cuts in federal spending to offset the cost of the war or make up for lost revenue from the tax cut or raising taxes to make up any shortfall in spending.

Unfortunately, my old school way of thinking has been outnumbered by people who think tax cuts pay for themselves and wars can be funded by the oil we siphon from the countries we invade.
2013-03-23 10:46:53 AM  
5 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: "Honey, you have been buying too much junk, wasting money in Vegas, and spending money irresponsibly.  Go ask your boss for a big raise so we can fix this problem!".


Um, like going back to the pay rate we had in Reagan or Clinton's years?  Gosh, it was such a horror show economically.  I could barely stand how disastrous things were in the 1990s when those tax rates were so horrible no one could afford to invest in new tech businesses, the stock market collapsed, and our government's borrowing binge blew the budget up so badly that.........

....oh yeah, that's right, you're not capable of recalling anything except last week's Fox talking points.
2013-03-23 11:43:04 AM  
4 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: clowncar on fire: Only once I've exhausted those venues would i then consider bringing in additional income through a second job.  At that point- the onus would be upon me to earn the extra incom and not tell my friends and family that they need to supplement my budget so I could continue to live beyond my means.

And this, friends, is why the government budget is in no way like a household budget.


I love trying to parse how he would expect the government to "get a second job." There seems to be this inherent assumption that government buys stuff it wants with our money. They see the government is an autonomous external entity to the citizenship of the country, leeching from us to pursue its own selfish desires.

Representative democracy means the country IS us: we might not always agree with the decisions the country makes, but it is still taking actions that we have symbolically said we want them to take on our behalf. Raising taxes isn't like asking your neighbor to pay for you to continue to live beyond your means, it's asking your roommates to pony up if they continue to maintain the standard of living they've become accustomed to, since they've already said that cuts to the biggest parts of the budget are unnacceptable. Yes, you should find cuts, but to demand a balanced budget that shields military and retirees from cuts you cannot claim revenues are off the table.

Seriously: going by 2011 numbers if you don't touch Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, or Defense, that's less than 100 billion to fund everything else the government does, which would be less than 10% of what the rest of everything currently cost.
2013-03-23 11:26:51 AM  
4 votes:
The glaring partisanship of Congress ensures that neither plan will be enacted into law. Instead they will serve as the starting points for a broader debate this year over budget policy.

This suggests a starting at the two ends of the politcal spectrum then meeting somewhere in the middle but thats not the case. The repub-majority House passed a far-right budget with little to no minority input. The dem-majority Senate, to get *anything* passed the obstructionist minority, offered up a centrist if not right-leaning budget from the ton of repub amendments.

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2013-03-23 11:21:37 AM  
4 votes:

clowncar on fire: At that point- the onus would be upon me to earn the extra incom and not tell my friends and family that they need to supplement my budget so I could continue to live beyond my means.


So the onus is on the Federal Government to earn the extra income by not taxing people? So how else would they earn the extra income?

As someone else pointed out, this is why the Household Budget analogy deserves to be mocked and ridiculed.
2013-03-23 11:18:07 AM  
4 votes:

johnryan51: Husband and wife have to tighten their belts while the kids (Koch bros. and Walmart girls) party it up and contribute nothing to help the family. Spending problem, yea right.


For the last 40 some odd years the top has been experiencing ridiculous gains in both income and, more drastically, wealth, while the rest of us are stagnate at best, receding at worst.

When shiat hits the fan "everybody has to tighten their belts" to pay for a mess that was largely the fault of the top few in our society, albeit because of their personal greed or their willingness to cater towards powerful voting blocks.

It's so awesome. Not.

:(
2013-03-23 10:46:51 AM  
4 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: vpb: tenpoundsofcheese: The good:  975B in cuts.
The bad:    Canceled 1.2T in cuts

These jokers aren't even trying anymore.
But at least they finally passed a budget.

It's almost as though they are begining to realize that we have a revenue problem.

Funny!  +1 for you.

"Honey, you have been buying too much junk, wasting money in Vegas, and spending money irresponsibly.  Go ask your boss for a big raise so we can fix this problem!".


A war of choice,and tax cuts during said war, have to be paid for for somehow. Bombs, waterboards and cruise missiles don't pay for themselves ya know.
2013-03-23 10:42:37 AM  
4 votes:
FTFA: "You may not feel it at the moment, but this is one of the Senate's finest days in recent years,"

*sigh*  Because they actually did something?  Because the Republicans didn't fillibuster something?  Because it was a moment of non-gridlock?

The first time in 4 damn years the Senate actually votes on a budget.  Yup, real high point in recent American history.
2013-03-23 01:23:14 PM  
3 votes:
If the US budget were like someone's household...

Democrats advocating asking for a raise, getting a second job, trying to get the wife to go look for work instead of being a stay at home mom while also cutting back on family vacations or nights out on the town instead of looking to cut the health insurance and gas money.

Republicans are looking to ask for a demotion at work so their boss can hire new employees, talking to the car dealership about a new car that they already planned on getting even though the dealership said their current car is fine and if they don't get it...then it's obvious they hate the troops, all the while sending their kids to school hungry and avoiding taking little Timmy to the dentist.

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If your budget argument includes cutting taxes and leaving the defense budget alone while trying to argue that planned parenthood and PBS are killing our financial future, then you are a disengenuous gas bag.
2013-03-23 12:07:48 PM  
3 votes:

clowncar on fire: It's cute how you believe the only source of revenue out there is by taxing the wealty more.  Not that I'm saying that they (the rich) probably couldn't be doing more for the country that has blessed them with so much, it's just I find it amusing that people actually believe that this is the ONLY way- that all hope rests upon their useless, unproductive, aristocratic shoulders.


STRAW MAN!  Sit down.  

We made the rich.  You want equalization?  Stop handing your money over to them.  Is having a i-phone more important than hiring that unemployed neighbor to come over and paint your house?  Do you need to party out on the deck of a Royal Carribean cruiser or staying in a chain of nationally syndicated hotels while visiting Disneland when you could keep that wealth local by partying with your friends every night in a locally owned tavern?  Maybe just forgo all those wealth exporting vacations and just pay your debts off so the interest won't accumulate.  By a tiny home and higher locals to fix it up with "green" material so that you won't have  to pay the oil giants to heat it.
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Neither I nor "The Government" live extravagant and expensive lifestyles.  The whole reason I don't is a trickle-up economic system that has steadily crushed labor, shrunk wages, and squeezed the middle class.  And then there are the subsidies, which just CAN'T be cut (according to Republicans, who call them "tax hikes" half the time) which make oil and wasteful anti-green stuff control the market.  

But I want my high tech phones, a properly painted over sized non-eco friendly home, and my trips else where because I deserve them- even if it means it's all paid by the credit card of my choice.  YOU made them- you can un-make them.  But- like being on a diet-- it's a hell of a lot more pleasant gaining the weght than it is trying to lose it.

No, I can't.  I live as cheap as I can, and doing so is actually bad for the economy!  But I don't make the decision to continue handing billions to oil companies, Trillions to banks, and never force the Neofeudalist kleptocrats spend a day in jail when we have clear evidence they committed crimes.

Because of people like you, fighting the battles you fight and supporting the criminals you support.
2013-03-23 11:18:24 AM  
3 votes:

clowncar on fire: Only once I've exhausted those venues would i then consider bringing in additional income through a second job.  At that point- the onus would be upon me to earn the extra incom and not tell my friends and family that they need to supplement my budget so I could continue to live beyond my means.


And this, friends, is why the government budget is in no way like a household budget.
2013-03-23 10:48:30 AM  
3 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: vpb: tenpoundsofcheese: The good:  975B in cuts.
The bad:    Canceled 1.2T in cuts

These jokers aren't even trying anymore.
But at least they finally passed a budget.

It's almost as though they are begining to realize that we have a revenue problem.

Funny!  +1 for you.

"Honey, you have been buying too much junk, wasting money in Vegas, and spending money irresponsibly.  Go ask your boss for a big raise so we can fix this problem!".


Honey, you have an aging population, just took a pay cut to fight two wars and can currently borrow money for free. We need to sell the house and kill the cow or you need to bring in more money.
2013-03-23 11:44:53 AM  
2 votes:

clowncar on fire: If I could trust the government to collect revenue (raise taxes) long enough to pay this specific part of the bill off- or pay down the current debt--, I'd be alright with this.


Where have I heard that before?  Hmmm.  Oh, yeah, in 1993, when Republicans were arguing that the Clinton Tax raises would never do anything to reduce the deficits AND that they would lead us to a recession.  The Republicans were wrong on both counts.  The deficits came down, the economy boomed.

Then, as soon as the Reps. came into office, instead of building on the progress we made in reducing the deficits, which we could reduced at an even quicker rate in the 90s by passing easily afforded tax hikes, the idiots cut capital gains taxes.  But it didn't stop there!  Oh no!  As soon as the idiots got the White House, they passed income tax cuts that completely destroyed the progress we had made in balancing the budget and then clusterfarked us into two wars, which we refused to pay for.

So, yeah, trusting the Republicans to know what to do in re: to the economy and the budget is dumb.  That's why we need to get Clintonian policies back in force.  Because they worked.
2013-03-23 11:41:45 AM  
2 votes:

Testiclaw: When shiat hits the fan "everybody has to tighten their belts" to pay for a mess that was largely the fault of the top few in our society, albeit because of their personal greed or their willingness to cater towards powerful voting blocks.


Not everybody.

The rich are quite adamant that they shouldn't have to pay anything more.  After all, they are the Job CreatorsTM who make everything work through, and if they get too unhappy with the Democrats making them pay taxes, they'll be just like Atlas and shrug, and their lack of Galt-like bootstrappy hard work will cause the whole system to collapse!

Just think of the rich people, who are so much better than us because they are rich!  If poor people were better people, they'd be rich!

/Sick thing is, a lot of people really think this way.
2013-03-23 11:07:24 AM  
2 votes:

Mrtraveler01: robotpirateninja: tenpoundsofcheese: vpb: tenpoundsofcheese: The good:  975B in cuts.
The bad:    Canceled 1.2T in cuts

These jokers aren't even trying anymore.
But at least they finally passed a budget.

It's almost as though they are begining to realize that we have a revenue problem.

Funny!  +1 for you.

"Honey, you have been buying too much junk, wasting money in Vegas, and spending money irresponsibly.  Go ask your boss for a big raise so we can fix this problem!".

Honey, you have an aging population, just took a pay cut to fight two wars and can currently borrow money for free. We need to sell the house and kill the cow or you need to bring in more money.

Honey, we're swimming in debt. We should quit our jobs and live in the streets.


Honey, you're out of diabetes medication, you should probably go to the emergency room for a refill.

/oh wait, that was an actual platform
2013-03-23 11:03:59 AM  
2 votes:
What pray tell has been funding the government the past four years if the Senate hasn't approved a budget? Magic? Jesus?

Utterly ridiculous if you take a second to think about it but conservatives keep parroting it nonetheless.
2013-03-23 10:52:12 AM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: vpb: tenpoundsofcheese: The good:  975B in cuts.
The bad:    Canceled 1.2T in cuts

These jokers aren't even trying anymore.
But at least they finally passed a budget.

It's almost as though they are begining to realize that we have a revenue problem.

Funny!  +1 for you.

"Honey, you have been buying too much junk, wasting money in Vegas, and spending money irresponsibly.  Go ask your boss for a big raise so we can fix this problem!".


Look at him and pity.
2013-03-23 10:43:33 AM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: "Honey, you have been buying too much junk, wasting money in Vegas, and spending money irresponsibly.  Go ask your boss for a big raise so we can fix this problem!".


Actually you're right.

If you are in debt, one of the more common things for people to do is to either ask for a raise or get a second job to bring more revenue in.
2013-03-23 10:39:21 AM  
2 votes:
A fascinating reversal of the normal order of business.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-23 09:55:50 AM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: The good:  975B in cuts.
The bad:    Canceled 1.2T in cuts

These jokers aren't even trying anymore.
But at least they finally passed a budget.


It's almost as though they are begining to realize that we have a revenue problem.
2013-03-23 12:52:23 PM  
1 votes:

mikemoto: bulldg4life: Cut the defense budget to pre-2000 levels. Get rid of DHS. Put the tax brackets where it was in 1998. Raise the capital gains tax to 25%.

Go with an across the board budget cut of 2.5% for every other department.

The end.

Actually, not that bad of a proposal. I would also get rid of the so called "Drug Czar" and subsequent department.


You know if you got RID of EVERY government department (except DOD) it still would not make up for the deficit?

Government departments are not where the money goes, you are being fooled thinking that money is all going to bureaucrats. Very little money actually is.
2013-03-23 12:00:40 PM  
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: clowncar on fire: When they finally do get that one-time windfall, they blow it on an F-150, a Super Bowl extraveganza, and a bunch of other crap rather than paying off their debt.

All while asking for their boss for a pay cut.


Or perhaps quitting their job while telling the boss to go fark himself?  It is the most popular fantasy of lottery players, and fits the pattern of the GOP.

And as long as we're using the "household" analogy, as if that makes any damn sense, Keynesian economics, the theory demand-side democrat "dummies" subscribe to says that during rich economic times the government should save, rein in wasteful expenses like tax cuts and corporate welfare, and store away for bad times ahead.  Like saving for a rainy day when you just got a raise instead of dropping to part-time so you can "work on your music."

Republicans didn't want to do that.
2013-03-23 11:56:19 AM  
1 votes:

TheBigJerk: tenpoundsofcheese: The good:  975B in cuts.
The bad:    Canceled 1.2T in cuts

These jokers aren't even trying anymore.
But at least they finally passed a budget.

http://www.fark.com/comments/7657837/Congress-The-Postal-Service-nee ds -to-save-money-USPS-Ok-well-cut-delivery-in-order-to-save-money-Congre ss-No-USPS-WTF-Congress-The-Postal-Service-needs-to-save-money&new=1#n ew

No surprise you weren't in this thread, where we discussed how Republicans refused a cut because they're actively sabotaging government.  

clowncar on fire:I just find ways of living within my budget by not buying crap I can't afford, making more efficient use of available resources I do have- either through limiting my use, or finding cheaper alternatives-- and cut out some of the services I can do without.  Only once I've exhausted those venues would i then consider bringing in additional income through a second job.  At that point- the onus would be upon me to earn the extra incom and not tell my friends and family that they need to supplement my budget so I could continue to live beyond my means.

So you too recommend getting rid of the tax cuts we can't afford?  The gifts, handouts, and free shiat to our least productive aristocratic super-rich?


It's cute how you believe the only source of revenue out there is by taxing the wealty more.  Not that I'm saying that they (the rich) probably couldn't be doing more for the country that has blessed them with so much, it's just I find it amusing that people actually believe that this is the ONLY way- that all hope rests upon their useless, unproductive, aristocratic shoulders.

We made the rich.  You want equalization?  Stop handing your money over to them.  Is having a i-phone more important than hiring that unemployed neighbor to come over and paint your house?  Do you need to party out on the deck of a Royal Carribean cruiser or staying in a chain of nationally syndicated hotels while visiting Disneland when you could keep that wealth local by partying with your friends every night in a locally owned tavern?  Maybe just forgo all those wealth exporting vacations and just pay your debts off so the interest won't accumulate.  By a tiny home and higher locals to fix it up with "green" material so that you won't have  to pay the oil giants to heat it.

But I want my high tech phones, a properly painted over sized non-eco friendly home, and my trips else where because I deserve them- even if it means it's all paid by the credit card of my choice.  YOU made them- you can un-make them.  But- like being on a diet-- it's a hell of a lot more pleasant gaining the weght than it is trying to lose it.
2013-03-23 11:55:31 AM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: The good:  975B in cuts.
The bad:    Canceled 1.2T in cuts

These jokers aren't even trying anymore.
But at least they finally passed a budget.


Why do they need to pass a budget? Official budgets fund absolutely nothing. Government doesn't need one to run.  Congress used to not pass them at all.

Oh it's because you are easily fooled into thinking something is important when its not.
2013-03-23 11:49:32 AM  
1 votes:
tenpoundsofcheese:
"Honey, you have been buying too much junk, wasting money in Vegas, and spending money irresponsibly.  Go ask your boss for a big raise so we can fix this problem!".

It's like you're intentionally forgetting that we completely financed a $3 trillion invasion of another country and have no plan to pay it back except cutting funding to Planned Parenthood and NPR.  The scope of that number is way beyond the repair that cuts to discretionary spending can provide.
2013-03-23 11:46:39 AM  
1 votes:
I'd like to introduce an amendment that you have to actually spend less than you did last year before you can call use the term "cut".

/if you spend more, it's an increase
2013-03-23 11:34:18 AM  
1 votes:

clowncar on fire: When they finally do get that one-time windfall, they blow it on an F-150, a Super Bowl extraveganza, and a bunch of other crap rather than paying off their debt.


All while asking for their boss for a pay cut.
2013-03-23 11:13:34 AM  
1 votes:
Husband and wife have to tighten their belts while the kids (Koch bros. and Walmart girls) party it up and contribute nothing to help the family. Spending problem, yea right.
2013-03-23 11:03:14 AM  
1 votes:

what_now: Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, briefly stumbled over the Bill of Rights, citing the First Amendment for the right to bear arms. He quickly corrected himself, and blamed the late hour.

Jesus.


Guns should be the First Amendment because they're the most important liberty tool Lincoln gave the white man to protect His land.

Also, Benghazi.
2013-03-23 10:53:50 AM  
1 votes:

robotpirateninja: tenpoundsofcheese: vpb: tenpoundsofcheese: The good:  975B in cuts.
The bad:    Canceled 1.2T in cuts

These jokers aren't even trying anymore.
But at least they finally passed a budget.

It's almost as though they are begining to realize that we have a revenue problem.

Funny!  +1 for you.

"Honey, you have been buying too much junk, wasting money in Vegas, and spending money irresponsibly.  Go ask your boss for a big raise so we can fix this problem!".

Honey, you have an aging population, just took a pay cut to fight two wars and can currently borrow money for free. We need to sell the house and kill the cow or you need to bring in more money.


Honey, we're swimming in debt. We should quit our jobs and live in the streets.
2013-03-23 10:53:25 AM  
1 votes:
It's weird how the GOP wants to invoke the good times of 50's and 60's but ignores the high tax rates that were in place at the time. There is historical evidence that high(incentivized) taxes create growth.
2013-03-23 09:06:32 AM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: The bill is likely DOA. Who wants to call time of death?


It was dead the moment it passed.
2013-03-23 08:35:34 AM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: The bill is likely DOA. Who wants to call time of death?


You never know. They're in a big hurry to get out on their Easter vacation break.
 
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