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(The Raw Story)   US Senate passes budget resolution, after "herculean" effort. News: For the first time since 2009. Now it turns to the House, where it will take an act of God   (rawstory.com) divider line 168
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2013-03-23 02:04:54 PM  

cchris_39: I'm waiting for the final Orwellian plunge when a tax increase is called a tax cut.  "We wanted $2 trillion of your money but we've decided to only take $1 trillion, so we've cut your taxes by 50%.  Carry on happy citizen".


So what then do you call cutting out $600 billion of planned spending?
 
2013-03-23 02:05:04 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: You think that using a credit card is the same as getting more revenue from your employer?
wow.  that is a major league fail (even for you since I grade you on a curve)

What on earth are you talking about? Go back and re-read what you posted again.

And then go take macroeconomics.

And then get in a rocket.

And point it toward Mars and stay there.


i1126.photobucket.com

"No, no, I'm OK here. Don't need any company. I've got this under control, thanks. I hear Venus is nice this time of year."
 
2013-03-23 02:06:01 PM  

beta_plus: Honey, we should pop out kids that we know we can't afford


So you support contraception then?
 
2013-03-23 02:06:28 PM  

clowncar on fire: cchris_39: By that logic, we'll have to maintain one hell of a large landscaping material supply- consisting mostly of decorative stone and sand if we are ever to cover the cost of Afghanistan.


Lol yes we would.  The Russians found Afghanistan a formidable foe too.  We're not very good at history, among other things.
 
2013-03-23 02:06:45 PM  

Irregardless: Kome: tenpoundsofcheese: "Honey, you have been buying too much junk, wasting money in Vegas, and spending money irresponsibly. Go ask your boss for a big raise so we can fix this problem!".

THAT'S IT! NO MORE ABORTIONS!

I'm thinking just the opposite - means testing for parents. If you can't afford a child it must be aborted or given up for adoption. More abortions!


Yay! Omelets!
 
2013-03-23 02:08:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: cchris_39: I'm waiting for the final Orwellian plunge when a tax increase is called a tax cut.  "We wanted $2 trillion of your money but we've decided to only take $1 trillion, so we've cut your taxes by 50%.  Carry on happy citizen".

So what then do you call cutting out $600 billion of planned spending?


Is it still an increase of the previous year? If so, that's an increase.

Trying to justify that as a spending cut is the most backwards thing I've heard.
 
2013-03-23 02:09:55 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: cchris_39: I'm waiting for the final Orwellian plunge when a tax increase is called a tax cut.  "We wanted $2 trillion of your money but we've decided to only take $1 trillion, so we've cut your taxes by 50%.  Carry on happy citizen".

So what then do you call cutting out $600 billion of planned spending?


The same as my wife telling me how much she "saved" at the big sale.  My credit cards still look worse.
 
2013-03-23 02:13:37 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: vpb: tenpoundsofcheese: The good:  975B in cuts.
The bad:    Canceled 1.2T in cuts

These jokers aren't even trying anymore.
But at least they finally passed a budget.

It's almost as though they are begining to realize that we have a revenue problem.

Funny!  +1 for you.

"Honey, you have been buying too much junk, wasting money in Vegas, and spending money irresponsibly.  Go ask your boss for a big raise so we can fix this problem!".


You realize the 1.2T was the Arbitrary cuts. They replaced arbitrary cuts that damage the nation and its security, with specific cuts, and this is a bad thing? The 1.2T in arbitrary cuts was Designed not to be replaced with specific cuts, it itself wasn't supposed to be the cuts.
 
2013-03-23 02:15:10 PM  
I expect it to be met in the House with all the joy and enthusiasm that the Democrats showed when voting on the Ryan budget.
 
2013-03-23 02:19:26 PM  

randomjsa: I expect it to be met in the House with all the joy and enthusiasm that the Democrats showed when voting on the Ryan budget.


Wah, why didn't the mean old Democrats just rubber stamp Paul Ryan's joke of a budget?
 
2013-03-23 02:20:07 PM  

randomjsa: I expect it to be met in the House with all the joy and enthusiasm that the Democrats showed when voting on the Ryan budget.


Lucky budgets legally do nothing at all. But some reason Republicans think are important.  It's like they want their followers to focus on something that basically has no meaning to ignore that they haven't done shiat.
 
2013-03-23 02:20:29 PM  

randomherp: I expect it to be met in the House with all the joy and enthusiasm that the Democrats showed when voting on the Ryan budget.


Both sides are bad!  HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
 
2013-03-23 02:27:20 PM  
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2013-03-23 02:42:51 PM  
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hey, love him or hate him, we can all agree he earns every cent of the money he is shilling for. The only time I even think about him is when someone changes his handle up so my filter doesn't block it. Every time fark WHINES about my Adblock, I just think about all that cheese the squirrel has already......

/actually I just laugh.....
 
2013-03-23 03:01:22 PM  

shotglasss: ramblinwreck: Silverstaff: FTFA: "You may not feel it at the moment, but this is one of the Senate's finest days in recent years,"

*sigh*  Because they actually did something?  Because the Republicans didn't fillibuster something?  Because it was a moment of non-gridlock?

The first time in 4 damn years the Senate actually votes on a budget.  Yup, real high point in recent American history.

Can you look up in the Constitution where it says the Senate is supposed to draft the budget? Right, because it says the House...

The law also says the President is to submit a budget by Feb 1. We are still waiting for Obammy to submit his budget.


How does the President do that all on his own?  I didn't realize that he could unilaterally sign a budget with the House and Senate.
 
2013-03-23 03:05:05 PM  

ramblinwreck: shotglasss: ramblinwreck: Silverstaff: FTFA: "You may not feel it at the moment, but this is one of the Senate's finest days in recent years,"

*sigh*  Because they actually did something?  Because the Republicans didn't fillibuster something?  Because it was a moment of non-gridlock?

The first time in 4 damn years the Senate actually votes on a budget.  Yup, real high point in recent American history.

Can you look up in the Constitution where it says the Senate is supposed to draft the budget? Right, because it says the House...

The law also says the President is to submit a budget by Feb 1. We are still waiting for Obammy to submit his budget.

How does the President do that all on his own?  I didn't realize that he could unilaterally sign a budget with the House and Senate.


English much? I wrote submit, which is what the law says. I never said anything about Ghett-O unilaterally signing a budget with the House and Senate, whatever that means.
 
2013-03-23 03:21:12 PM  

shotglasss: ramblinwreck: shotglasss: ramblinwreck: Silverstaff: FTFA: "You may not feel it at the moment, but this is one of the Senate's finest days in recent years,"

*sigh*  Because they actually did something?  Because the Republicans didn't fillibuster something?  Because it was a moment of non-gridlock?

The first time in 4 damn years the Senate actually votes on a budget.  Yup, real high point in recent American history.

Can you look up in the Constitution where it says the Senate is supposed to draft the budget? Right, because it says the House...

The law also says the President is to submit a budget by Feb 1. We are still waiting for Obammy to submit his budget.

How does the President do that all on his own?  I didn't realize that he could unilaterally sign a budget with the House and Senate.

English much? I wrote submit, which is what the law says. I never said anything about Ghett-O unilaterally signing a budget with the House and Senate, whatever that means.


"Ghett-o" wow that's real classy.
 
2013-03-23 03:24:31 PM  

Corvus: shotglasss: ramblinwreck: shotglasss: ramblinwreck: Silverstaff: FTFA: "You may not feel it at the moment, but this is one of the Senate's finest days in recent years,"

*sigh*  Because they actually did something?  Because the Republicans didn't fillibuster something?  Because it was a moment of non-gridlock?

The first time in 4 damn years the Senate actually votes on a budget.  Yup, real high point in recent American history.

Can you look up in the Constitution where it says the Senate is supposed to draft the budget? Right, because it says the House...

The law also says the President is to submit a budget by Feb 1. We are still waiting for Obammy to submit his budget.

How does the President do that all on his own?  I didn't realize that he could unilaterally sign a budget with the House and Senate.

English much? I wrote submit, which is what the law says. I never said anything about Ghett-O unilaterally signing a budget with the House and Senate, whatever that means.

"Ghett-o" wow that's real classy.


I like Fart-O myself.
 
2013-03-23 03:26:16 PM  

cchris_39: cameroncrazy1984: cchris_39: I'm waiting for the final Orwellian plunge when a tax increase is called a tax cut.  "We wanted $2 trillion of your money but we've decided to only take $1 trillion, so we've cut your taxes by 50%.  Carry on happy citizen".

So what then do you call cutting out $600 billion of planned spending?

The same as my wife telling me how much she "saved" at the big sale.  My credit cards still look worse.


Look at it this way. You budgeted $60 for gas this month and $70 for next month. You already planned on spending the $70. Your gas bill next month is $60. Did you save money or not?
 
2013-03-23 03:27:03 PM  

shotglasss: English much? I wrote submit, which is what the law says. I never said anything about Ghett-O unilaterally signing a budget with the House and Senate, whatever that means.


Why are you waiting for Obama to submit a budget? He literally doesn't have to do anything with a budget until one hits his desk. Budgets are not the President's responsibility.
 
2013-03-23 03:29:47 PM  
Passing a budget was a waste of time.  Republicans in the house have no interest in passing a reasonable budget.
 
2013-03-23 03:42:26 PM  

robotpirateninja: We need to sell the house and kill the cow or you need to bring in more money.


Can we just burn the house down?
 
2013-03-23 03:52:42 PM  

Corvus: tenpoundsofcheese: "Honey, I bought all this garbage and wasted this money in Vegas, so we need to increase our budget to pay the bills"

shiathead: One is the paying the bills of PREVIOUS SPENDING one is the budget of FUTURE SPENDING. Are you really too stupid to realize this.

Creating a new budget does not magically change the spending of the past.


But it does change current spending.

"If an agency has a billion-dollar budget and someone proposes cutting a dollar from its scheduled increase in funding, that dollar will be the one earmarked for the screw needed to keep a bridge from collapsing on a grade school's Thanksgiving parade."

That's the game.  Give a yard, but don't try to take an inch back (or reallocate).

Easiest way to make more money is to cut expenses.

Just a small appetizer ...
http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public//index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id =a 7e82141-1a9e-4eec-b160-6a8e62427efb
 
2013-03-23 04:02:53 PM  

divx88: Easiest way to make more money is to cut expenses.


lolwut
 
2013-03-23 04:19:28 PM  

shotglasss: ramblinwreck: Silverstaff: FTFA: "You may not feel it at the moment, but this is one of the Senate's finest days in recent years,"

*sigh*  Because they actually did something?  Because the Republicans didn't fillibuster something?  Because it was a moment of non-gridlock?

The first time in 4 damn years the Senate actually votes on a budget.  Yup, real high point in recent American history.

Can you look up in the Constitution where it says the Senate is supposed to draft the budget? Right, because it says the House...

The law also says the President is to submit a budget by Feb 1. We are still waiting for Obammy to submit his budget.


Start a letter writing campaign to draw up articles of impeachment. This is an outrage!
 
2013-03-23 04:25:27 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: divx88: Easiest way to make more money is to cut expenses.

lolwut


I know not only basic math is hard, but the majority of people only see more as more.

If I go to work every 5 days of every week and buy 1 coke that costs me a $1, that's $260/y or $2,600 in 10 years.  If I cut out the coke that's money I didn't spend that can be allocated elsewhere like an investment to increase passive income.

But the "make money" by cutting expenses comes from not having to spend additional time to generate $260.  Just cut something I don't necessarily need and that's not really good for me anyway.
 
2013-03-23 04:35:23 PM  
 
2013-03-23 04:46:43 PM  

edmo: Bontesla: The bill is likely DOA. Who wants to call time of death?

You never know. They're in a big hurry to get out on their Easter vacation break.


Never underestimate a Republican congressman's pathological need to commit petty obstructionism.
 
2013-03-23 05:23:42 PM  
I think the right way to look at the government's finances is to see if we are getting value for our dollar.

My wife and I will pay roughly $100k in federal income tax this year.  So where does it go?

$22k will go to Medicare, Medicaid, and HHS.  Given that US spending on health is twice what other countries pay, I feel safe saying that half of this money is wasted.

$20k will go to the military, so that they can bomb people in Pakistan and give large checks to defense contractors.  I consider this money 75% wasted.

$20k will go to Social Security.  Let's say half of this is to help others (I'm OK with that) and half to fund my retirement (I'd rather keep the cash).

$6k will go towards paying interest, which is pure waste.

So there's over $40k of my money down the drain, right there, providing no value to me or society.  In some cases it provides negative value.  Almost half of the money I pay in taxes is wasted.

Meanwhile, my state property and sales taxes pay for the roads, the police, the fire department, the schools.... the value you get for paying state taxes is obvious.

Do I want my federal taxes to go down, or up?  Neither really, I just want to feel that the Feds are spending my contributions wisely before holding their hand out for more.

Fix healthcare costs, cut defense in at least half, let me opt out of Social Security, and trim the fat from agencies used to perpetual budget increases... do that and I'm OK with my taxes going up.

I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way, either.
 
2013-03-23 05:25:02 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: cchris_39: I'd like to introduce an amendment that you have to actually spend less than you did last year before you can call use the term "cut".

/if you spend more, it's an increase

If they pass a bill where the technical language is something like "in Public Law blahblahblah subsection blahblahblah, line blah, strike the figure "N Billion dollars" and insert the figure "(N-1) Billion dollars", its not a cut?


It's math Republicans don't do to make themselves feel better.
 
2013-03-23 05:40:38 PM  

divx88: If I go to work every 5 days of every week


Thank you for playing "Comparing things that are nothing like the federal budget to the federal budget" what does  divx88win?
 
2013-03-23 05:56:18 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: divx88: If I go to work every 5 days of every week

Thank you for playing "Comparing things that are nothing like the federal budget to the federal budget" what does  divx88win?


When your audience barely has a grasp on basic arithmetic, you don't jump past it.
 
2013-03-23 06:02:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: divx88: Easiest way to make more money is to cut expenses.

lolwut


I think its code words for 'let 47% crawl off in the bushes and quietly die"
 
2013-03-23 07:12:19 PM  

divx88: cameroncrazy1984: divx88: If I go to work every 5 days of every week

Thank you for playing "Comparing things that are nothing like the federal budget to the federal budget" what does  divx88win?

When your audience barely has a grasp on basic arithmetic, you don't jump past it.


Wouldn't that be "jump passed it"?

My advice here is that you don't answer my rhetorical question... it is better to better to be thought a fool than to reply and remove all doubt.
 
2013-03-23 07:18:12 PM  
Ah, great.  The Senate managed to overcome a filibuster to pass a non-binding resolution to act as a guideline for the appropriations process (which is binding).  Awesome.  This is just as exciting as the time my own congressman managed to pass a resolution to name a post office after a local high school football coach.  Because both have the same amount of impact.

*yawn*  I'm proud of the democrats for managing to overcome the filibuster they should've defanged, but in the grand scheme, it doesn't matter.  The real meat is when the House passes the Appropriations Bill, then it goes to the Senate where it will be scribbled over with a red crayon pen and then the whole thing is handed over to reconciliation committee where they'll tack on a bunch of stupid shiat no one wants before they shove the meat through the grinder and stuff all that sludgey meat goo into the casing so we can enjoy the annual rat feces-filled sausage.

/government: it's just like making sausage
//in that it's disgusting
///and usually done by ugly sweaty men
 
2013-03-23 08:05:13 PM  

ColdFusion: government: it's just like making sausage


Strangely, I'm actually making sausage today.

/may be ugly and sweaty
 
2013-03-23 08:10:03 PM  

rohar: /may be ugly and sweaty


You or the sausage???
 
2013-03-23 08:12:36 PM  

JohnnyC: When your audience barely has a grasp on basic arithmetic, you don't jump past it.

Wouldn't that be "jump passed it"?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-23 08:41:00 PM  

JohnnyC: divx88: cameroncrazy1984: divx88: If I go to work every 5 days of every week

Thank you for playing "Comparing things that are nothing like the federal budget to the federal budget" what does  divx88win?

When your audience barely has a grasp on basic arithmetic, you don't jump past it.

Wouldn't that be "jump passed it"?

My advice here is that you don't answer my rhetorical question... it is better to better to be thought a fool than to reply and remove all doubt.


Sarcasm detector twitching...
 
2013-03-23 08:42:04 PM  

robmilmel: rohar: /may be ugly and sweaty

You or the sausage???


Its' an Italian sausage, so both?
 
2013-03-23 08:56:48 PM  
The GOP didn't fillibuster it this time?
 
2013-03-23 08:57:24 PM  
Why not put together a budget that quadruples the current tax rate, eliminates all tax avoidance schemes (if your rate is 40%, you pay 40%) and then cuts all spending? We could pay off the national debt in four years.
 
2013-03-23 09:00:15 PM  

Bucky Katt: The GOP didn't fillibuster it this time?


Fillibustering it would look really bad, and there's no reason for them to when they know it will never have a chance of passing the house in a form that is even recognizable.
 
2013-03-23 09:05:04 PM  

Bucky Katt: The GOP didn't fillibuster it this time?


They know it's DOA in the House. Mostly it sounded like the GOP trying to "fillibuster by amendment" by putting crank case legislation up for a fail vote over and over again while Reid and Patty Murray tried to maintain a semblance of order and decorum.

Speaking of whom, this got a  chuckle out of me...

Fun fact: As you watch Sen. Murray manage the floor over the next few hours and organize amendments, remember: She taught pre-school before she was elected to Congress.
 
2013-03-23 09:38:45 PM  

rohar: ColdFusion: government: it's just like making sausage

Strangely, I'm actually making sausage today.

/may be ugly and sweaty


It's a possibility, but there's no way you could be as ugly as the average senator.  I swear, they must make those guys like Uruk-hai.

Odds are you are a bit sweaty, though.  Making sausage by hand can be rough work.
 
2013-03-23 10:09:48 PM  

cchris_39: Vlad_the_Inaner: cchris_39: I'd like to introduce an amendment that you have to actually spend less than you did last year before you can call use the term "cut".

/if you spend more, it's an increase

If they pass a bill where the technical language is something like "in Public Law blahblahblah subsection blahblahblah, line blah, strike the figure "N Billion dollars" and insert the figure "(N-1) Billion dollars", its not a cut?

I'm waiting for the final Orwellian plunge when a tax increase is called a tax cut.  "We wanted $2 trillion of your money but we've decided to only take $1 trillion, so we've cut your taxes by 50%.  Carry on happy citizen".


Already happened, the Republicans started calling expirations on temporary tax holidays, "Tax hikes."

Meanwhile, adjusting for inflation or growth of the economy and population are offensive to you.
 
2013-03-23 10:25:00 PM  

starsrift: It's weird how the GOP wants to invoke the good times of 50's and 60's but ignores the high tax rates that were in place at the time. There is historical evidence that high(incentivized) taxes create growth.


That was also a time of government doing big, ambitious things designed to benefit everyone, like building the Interstate Highway System. Using government as an engine to do productive things that private industry wouldn't or couldn't do is against current Republican ideology. Never mind that that Interstate Highway System is named after a Republican.
 
2013-03-23 10:37:58 PM  
I feel the need to post this.....  because I think it may provide a bit of a non-partisan laugh and I think that is what it's all about.

Joe Biden saying the Pledge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah1S9B_w5tg&list=UUJ_23WTESC-nervL3KF kb uQ&index=1
 
2013-03-23 10:47:49 PM  

cchris_39: This is a little out there, but go with me on this one.

Next time we invade one of these countries, we take (buy) 100% of their oil production at $50 bbl and sell it on the open market until the war debt is paid.


Never say things ever again. Trust me - it's for your own good.
 
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2013-03-23 10:48:37 PM  

cchris_39: I'd like to introduce an amendment that you have to actually spend less than you did last year before you can call use the term "cut".

/if you spend more, it's an increase


No no, a cut to proposed spending is a cut!
 
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