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(SeattlePI)   Veronica Mars Kickstarter campaign rattles movie industry. And by "rattles", they mean that Hollywood has just seen the perfect new way to fleece the marks out of more money that gimmicks like 3-D could never have delivered   (seattlepi.com) divider line 96
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2013-03-23 07:59:04 AM
Another precedent that will be set is the amount of whining of fan boys if this movie isn't one of the greatest films ever made. Considering the amount of righteous outrage you see when a nostalgia trip type movie doesn't measure up to expectations for a ticket price of $8-12, but when fans are shelling out 10 grand? Some pharmaceutical company is going to get rich inventing a cream needed to soothe those ruffled feathers.

Look at what happened with Serenity.

/ I liked Serenity but I watched the whole series and the movie in one weekend.
 
2013-03-23 08:07:20 AM
What a farking scam. Good for them.
 
2013-03-23 08:33:09 AM
Even a dog can shake hands...
 
2013-03-23 09:02:24 AM
I like reading Joss Whedon's reactions to this.  On the one hand he's a booster, on the other you can hear the hesitation in his tone about revisiting Firefly.  I can sympathize, as much as I love Firefly I respect the desire to move forward and not be shackled to previous projects.  It's like he balancing on a razor blade trying to keep the fans happy while at the same time telling them it ain't gonna happen.
 
2013-03-23 09:43:01 AM

Ennuipoet: I like reading Joss Whedon's reactions to this.  On the one hand he's a booster, on the other you can hear the hesitation in his tone about revisiting Firefly.  I can sympathize, as much as I love Firefly I respect the desire to move forward and not be shackled to previous projects.  It's like he balancing on a razor blade trying to keep the fans happy while at the same time telling them it ain't gonna happen.


He needs Shatner-sized balls and a gig on SNL.

/money's better off for the Deadwood movies anyway
 
2013-03-23 10:28:20 AM
A complete list of associate producer credits is available upon request.
 
2013-03-23 10:45:35 AM

thamike: A complete list of associate producer credits is available upon request.


Selling associate producer credits? That's an insult to the thousands of people who have sucked a dick over the years to get an associate producer credit.
 
2013-03-23 10:54:51 AM

FirstNationalBastard: thamike: A complete list of associate producer credits is available upon request.

Selling associate producer credits? That's an insult to the thousands of people who have sucked a dick over the years to get an associate producer credit.


If you're sucking a dick for an associate producer credit, you need to find a new meth dealer.
 
2013-03-23 11:17:14 AM

Ennuipoet: I like reading Joss Whedon's reactions to this.  On the one hand he's a booster, on the other you can hear the hesitation in his tone about revisiting Firefly.  I can sympathize, as much as I love Firefly I respect the desire to move forward and not be shackled to previous projects.  It's like he balancing on a razor blade trying to keep the fans happy while at the same time telling them it ain't gonna happen.


I liked Firefly as much as the next nerd but it's over. Almost all of the cast has new gigs (has whatever show Summer Glau is on been canceled yet?) and Whedon's going to be tied up with Marvel for at least the next decade. Anyway, they tied things up pretty nicely in the movie no one saw.
 
2013-03-23 11:26:23 AM

Mugato: Ennuipoet: I like reading Joss Whedon's reactions to this.  On the one hand he's a booster, on the other you can hear the hesitation in his tone about revisiting Firefly.  I can sympathize, as much as I love Firefly I respect the desire to move forward and not be shackled to previous projects.  It's like he balancing on a razor blade trying to keep the fans happy while at the same time telling them it ain't gonna happen.

I liked Firefly as much as the next nerd but it's over. Almost all of the cast has new gigs (has whatever show Summer Glau is on been canceled yet?) and Whedon's going to be tied up with Marvel for at least the next decade. Anyway, they tied things up pretty nicely in the movie no one saw.


I never saw Firefly as a show that was going to be able to go 100+ episodes without getting lame, anyway.  I'm with you, the shows that aired and the movie wrap things up pretty nicely.
 
2013-03-23 11:38:15 AM

jake_lex: I never saw Firefly as a show that was going to be able to go 100+ episodes without getting lame, anyway


I could see Whedon's "everyone is so clever and sarcastic" dialog getting old fast. It certainly did with Buffy. A lot of otherwise good writers have the problem of all their characters speaking in the same voice. See also Aaron Sorkin, Kevin Smith, Tarantino.
 
2013-03-23 11:41:12 AM
I think this Kickstarter is more rare than people understand, its a beloved property that is reveared by its main star and creator. How many other shows fit into that catogory? And if Hollywood tries to use kickstarter to fund a DTV sequel to a medicore film I think most people will smell a rat and avoid pre-ordering.
 
2013-03-23 11:43:55 AM
I'm hoping that one day he Whedon will create another series we will want to watch 100+ episodes of.  Just waiting on the story that will be worth it.   Something new is always better than reviving something old and finished.
 
2013-03-23 11:48:43 AM
I'm thinking the studios must love this low-risk / all the profits business model.
 
2013-03-23 11:49:29 AM

Mugato: jake_lex: I never saw Firefly as a show that was going to be able to go 100+ episodes without getting lame, anyway

I could see Whedon's "everyone is so clever and sarcastic" dialog getting old fast. It certainly did with Buffy. A lot of otherwise good writers have the problem of all their characters speaking in the same voice. See also Aaron Sorkin, Kevin Smith, Tarantino.


I watched about 5 episodes of Firefly and despite having a cast that I typically like watching in other shows, I just could not even enjoy it a little. Ive noticed thou that I don't like Aaron Sorkin TV shows either thou. I can deal and enjoy Joss Whedons movies but as you said, when put to a constant running TV show its just irritating.
 
2013-03-23 12:07:14 PM
When is Kristen Bell going to pose nude?
 
2013-03-23 12:07:36 PM

Mimekiller: I think this Kickstarter is more rare than people understand, its a beloved property that is reveared by its main star and creator. How many other shows fit into that catogory? And if Hollywood tries to use kickstarter to fund a DTV sequel to a medicore film I think most people will smell a rat and avoid pre-ordering.


That, exactly. You could probably count the shows this could work for on one hand.

I was more than willing to kick in $35 on this. It's basically pre-ordering the movie and getting a t-shirt that says I'm a big nerd. I think the show has more to say and the creator and a big chunk of the cast have been wanting to do it for years. That's not going to happen all that often.
 
2013-03-23 12:15:07 PM
Nobody seems to want to do the math on this. Veronica mars will do 10 - 15 million tops. After distribution costs, marketing and theaters taking their cut, the actual profit is something like 6 million. Still a profit sure, but not exactly the 100s of millions Hollywood likes. This isn't something Hollywood can do long term and make a mint off of.
 
2013-03-23 12:17:40 PM

doczoidberg: When is Kristen Bell going to pose nude?


That's the next Kickstarter.

/or the demands of the bad guys in "Olympus Has Fallen"
 
2013-03-23 12:18:42 PM

Mugato: Ennuipoet: I like reading Joss Whedon's reactions to this.  On the one hand he's a booster, on the other you can hear the hesitation in his tone about revisiting Firefly.  I can sympathize, as much as I love Firefly I respect the desire to move forward and not be shackled to previous projects.  It's like he balancing on a razor blade trying to keep the fans happy while at the same time telling them it ain't gonna happen.

I liked Firefly as much as the next nerd but it's over. Almost all of the cast has new gigs (has whatever show Summer Glau is on been canceled yet?) and Whedon's going to be tied up with Marvel for at least the next decade. Anyway, they tied things up pretty nicely in the movie no one saw.


Yup.  Loved the show, loved the movie but it's not coming back.  I'll rewatch those every year or so and be content.

But for budget and cast availability how about Terriers?
 
2013-03-23 12:25:06 PM
I can see Hollywood farking this up when they dump 15 good ideas on Kickstarter with a demand that they will only get made when amount X is reached for each one. Then they won't do any promotion for their ideas and hope the magical fairies of "word of mouth" and "viral marketing" do their advertising for free. Meanwhile, each good idea fails because of a lack of promotion and lazy Hollywood goes back to giving Michael Bay some new '80s nostalgia piece to fark.

/Michael Bay's "GoBots: the Movie" starring Shia LeBeouf and Fleshy Funbags
 
kab
2013-03-23 12:30:49 PM
How is this fleecing the market subby?

If anything, every form of entertainment out there should be funded this way.   Fewer folks lose money, and consumers get exactly what they want / deserve.
 
2013-03-23 12:32:54 PM

Mugato: jake_lex: I never saw Firefly as a show that was going to be able to go 100+ episodes without getting lame, anyway

I could see Whedon's "everyone is so clever and sarcastic" dialog getting old fast. It certainly did with Buffy. A lot of otherwise good writers have the problem of all their characters speaking in the same voice. See also Aaron Sorkin, Kevin Smith, Tarantino.


I'd say while Tarantino has been guilty of that in the past, his most recent films have seemed to show an improvement in the area (Inglorious Basterds, Django).

Well scripted, and very well written, IMO.
 
kab
2013-03-23 12:32:54 PM

germ78: Then they won't do any promotion for their ideas and hope the magical fairies of "word of mouth" and "viral marketing" do their advertising for free.


We're told over and over that these are far more effective than advertising anyhow, something who's cost is baked into the financial expectations.

Who likes ads anyhow, right?
 
2013-03-23 12:33:28 PM

kab: How is this fleecing the market subby?

If anything, every form of entertainment out there should be funded this way.   Fewer folks lose money, and consumers get exactly what they want / deserve.


How would anything original ever get made? Who's going to donate to a project that they're not already fans of?
 
2013-03-23 01:05:37 PM
The first season of "Veronica Mars" was fantastic. Probably the best "mystery" show ever. It was nearly perfect.

The second and third seasons...not so much. They're almost like the "Matrix" sequels, in that they diminish the greatness of the first season by retroactively messing up some of the plot and characters.

 A movie could work, though.
 
2013-03-23 01:07:07 PM

kab: germ78: Then they won't do any promotion for their ideas and hope the magical fairies of "word of mouth" and "viral marketing" do their advertising for free.

We're told over and over that these are far more effective than advertising anyhow, something who's cost is baked into the financial expectations.

Who likes ads anyhow, right?


When you're trying to do a kickstarter for some relatively new IP without much of a dedicated fanbase, you're gonna need a little advertising push behind it. Not every project funded this way is going to have a Comicon/SXSW roll-out like Veronica Mars did. I could see it working for some big name director who wants to take on a smaller project as well, but it probably wouldn't work if the director is relatively new and the project is an original concept.

/though I can see using Comicon and SXSW as a venue to generate word of mouth for lesser known projects
//I'd love to see Hollywood make a GoBots movie and have it be 100x the movie Transformers ever could be
 
2013-03-23 01:08:58 PM
Wtf is 'veronica mars'? It's drawing a lot of bizarre comparisons, but the name makes me think it's some low-rent Sex and City knockoff.

I could google it, I know, but I thought I'd ask since everyone here seems to love it?

/no, lmgtfy isn't farking funny or helpful, before you post it
//fellow consumer feedback is important and helpful in defining a genre above and beyond what generic press conference marketing can tell me
 
2013-03-23 01:13:50 PM

realmolo: The first season of "Veronica Mars" was fantastic. Probably the best "mystery" show ever. It was nearly perfect.

The second and third seasons...not so much. They're almost like the "Matrix" sequels, in that they diminish the greatness of the first season by retroactively messing up some of the plot and characters.

 A movie could work, though.


Sort of like Twin Peaks, once the main mystery was solved, the show floundered. I always thought it deserved more time to right itself, though.
 
2013-03-23 01:16:26 PM
I'd contribute to a kickstarter to make a finale episode for My Name Is Earl.

/still want's to know who Dodge's daddy is!
 
2013-03-23 01:17:24 PM

dopekitty74: I'd contribute to a kickstarter to make a finale episode for My Name Is Earl.

/still want's to know who Dodge's daddy is!


Didn't they just pretty much wrap My Name Is Earl up on an episode of Raising Hope?
 
2013-03-23 01:21:28 PM
Did they? I don't have cable anymore and never got into that show when i did.
 
kab
2013-03-23 01:21:42 PM

Mugato: How would anything original ever get made? Who's going to donate to a project that they're not already fans of?


Well, how does anything new get made now?  Present your idea, and someone funds it, and hopes for the best.    You, the consumer, (theoretically) pay for the content, and that's that.

But with this, you're merely replacing one backer for another, not to mention that many shows / movies etc that wouldn't have been made prior actually have a more legitimate shot now, since your idea screener moves directly to the consumer rather than some bean counter who thinks "no, this won't sell", and squashes the idea.   (Just think of how many artists you enjoy now that would never have gotten the green light of a recording contract 25 years ago, for example.  Wouldn't you prefer to decide what you do and don't like?)

I mean, read the entertainment tab, and look at the music industry.  Consumers constantly bemoan the fact that they pay way too much for content they dislike.   Kickstarter simply eradicates all of that.   Folks pay what they want for what they think they'll like, and if the monetary goal isn't reached, the project doesn't happen.  No one loses money, consumers don't feel ripped off, and everyone's happy.
 
2013-03-23 01:27:29 PM

dopekitty74: Did they? I don't have cable anymore and never got into that show when i did.


No, turns out they just got all the cast members back to play different roles, which pissed away an opportunity to actually wrap My Name Is Earl up.

/I had heard there was a My Name Is Earl reunion on the show... stupid me, I thought the actors had appeared as their Earl characters.
 
2013-03-23 01:28:23 PM

kab: Well, how does anything new get made now?


Well not a lot does, actually. But the few original ideas in Hollywood are funded by studios who expect a return on their investment. They expect to make a profit. That's not really the case with people donating to a project just because they want to see it made.
 
2013-03-23 01:32:07 PM

Mugato: kab: Well, how does anything new get made now?

Well not a lot does, actually. But the few original ideas in Hollywood are funded by studios who expect a return on their investment. They expect to make a profit. That's not really the case with people donating to a project just because they want to see it made.


Exactly.

Plus, when fans fund something, they mistakenly start to believe it should be done the way they want it to be, instead of the correct way.

As was said in the post at the top of the thread, the whining from the fanboys will be legendary.
 
2013-03-23 01:36:36 PM
How much of the love for Firefly is about the characters and how much is about the particular universe it takes place in? I think it's some of both. I'd be difficult to bring back the old cast (especially the ones who *** SPOILER *** are dead). And a 'Joey' type spinoff that follows the life of Jayne would probably be lame. Give the Star Trek DS9 model a try, take some other aspect of that universe and make a show around it. Another Firefly stuffed with characters is going to beg endless (likely unfavorable) comparisons to the original so go with some other interesting portion of the universe. Pepper in the occasional background reference to Serenity and the crew in passing during a story here and there but don't have original cast members popping up every other week for a 'special episode'.

Or sell the whole thing off to Disney  :)
 
2013-03-23 01:37:30 PM
So basically, in the future we'll all have to pre-pay for movies before they'll be made.

Great.
 
2013-03-23 01:40:05 PM

EngineerAU: Or sell the whole thing off to Disney :)


Yeah, give it to JJ Abrams, he's not doing anything right now.
 
2013-03-23 01:52:55 PM

doczoidberg: When is Kristen Bell going to pose nude?



Let's get one thing straight - I think Kristen Bell is sexy as hell, has a beautiful face and a killer body...but after seeing that still frame from awhile ago where one of her girls made a sneak peak....I don't think you want to see them all up in the daylight.  Nothing terribly wrong with them - but they are not classically trained show-em-if-you-got-em boobies.
 
2013-03-23 01:54:34 PM
I think this is a great idea. Now movies like (say, Transformers) won't get made every other month because thier kickstarter fails to get funding. And if it stops incessant marketing of things like Twilight, all the better.
 
2013-03-23 01:58:43 PM

kroonermanblack: Wtf is 'veronica mars'? It's drawing a lot of bizarre comparisons, but the name makes me think it's some low-rent Sex and City knockoff.

I could google it, I know, but I thought I'd ask since everyone here seems to love it?

/no, lmgtfy isn't farking funny or helpful, before you post it
//fellow consumer feedback is important and helpful in defining a genre above and beyond what generic press conference marketing can tell me


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhCwJyqIO3E

I hadn't heard of it either and after watching about ½ of that trailer... I'm going to have to pass.
 
2013-03-23 02:02:47 PM

angrycrank: That, exactly. You could probably count the shows this could work for on one hand.


But how about a one-off? Like, I'd love to see "where are they now?" episodes of favorite TV shows that have ended. Frasier, MASH, etc. Is Hawkeye chief of surgery at some hospital in Maine?

Get some of these done before the actors start dying!

/kidding
//Or am I?
 
2013-03-23 02:09:50 PM
"hey, give us money to make something" "hey thanks, now give us money to watch it"

Bit of a double-dip i guess. They only way it would make sense i guess would be if giving to Kickstarter was the same as pre-ordering a copy of the DVD. If you dont get a full copy of the movie, its a loss for you.
 
2013-03-23 02:30:22 PM

Mimekiller: I think this Kickstarter is more rare than people understand, its a beloved property that is reveared by its main star and creator. How many other shows fit into that catogory? And if Hollywood tries to use kickstarter to fund a DTV sequel to a medicore film I think most people will smell a rat and avoid pre-ordering.


I think the key thing to Kickstarter is the word "cult". There are things out there that get a relatively small audience, but that audience is passionate about them. Take Monty Python: it wasn't actually a very big TV series in terms of viewers. But you had people like George Harrison that were willing to spend a few million to get their movies made.
 
2013-03-23 02:40:04 PM
I don't think re-doing Firefly is a good idea at this point, but it was a pretty big universe, easily large enough to tell a different story in.

I was all set to hate Stargate: Atlantis, but it turned out pretty decent. Same for SGU.
 
2013-03-23 03:19:47 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: doczoidberg: When is Kristen Bell going to pose nude?


Let's get one thing straight - I think Kristen Bell is sexy as hell, has a beautiful face and a killer body...but after seeing that still frame from awhile ago where one of her girls made a sneak peak....I don't think you want to see them all up in the daylight.  Nothing terribly wrong with them - but they are not classically trained show-em-if-you-got-em boobies.


She's having a baby soon, so after the hormones kick in, maybe she'll develop a nice pair of milk bags.
 
2013-03-23 03:55:30 PM

Ennuipoet: I like reading Joss Whedon's reactions to this.  On the one hand he's a booster, on the other you can hear the hesitation in his tone about revisiting Firefly.  I can sympathize, as much as I love Firefly I respect the desire to move forward and not be shackled to previous projects.  It's like he balancing on a razor blade trying to keep the fans happy while at the same time telling them it ain't gonna happen.


I'd just like to have some closure for certain aspects of Firefly honestly. Like who/what exactly Book was prior to becoming a shepherd.
 
2013-03-23 04:06:42 PM

AgentKGB: kroonermanblack: Wtf is 'veronica mars'? It's drawing a lot of bizarre comparisons, but the name makes me think it's some low-rent Sex and City knockoff.

I could google it, I know, but I thought I'd ask since everyone here seems to love it?

/no, lmgtfy isn't farking funny or helpful, before you post it
//fellow consumer feedback is important and helpful in defining a genre above and beyond what generic press conference marketing can tell me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhCwJyqIO3E

I hadn't heard of it either and after watching about ½ of that trailer... I'm going to have to pass.


When Mrs. Samurai first told me about the show (right after Season 1 started), it sounded like I wasn't in the ideal demographic for it.  A high-school modern-day Nancy Drew needs to solve a dilemna-of-the-week while working on a larger mystery?  Yeah, it sounds odd.  But then I watched an episode.  It had far more film noir elements than I anticipated, and the writing and dialogue was clever without reaching Sorkinian levels.  The characters had depth, and the plot wasn't saturated with high school-type drama - just enough to set the atmosphere that the Mars family was never really accepted in the town's social circles.  Then you add in some really good recurring characters like Ken Marino's Vinnie van Lowe, or some surprisingly good performances like Steve Guttenberg.  It really wasn't surprising that it got a small but dedicated following like Pushing Daisies or Better Off Ted.
 
2013-03-23 05:05:56 PM

Iczer: Ennuipoet: I like reading Joss Whedon's reactions to this.  On the one hand he's a booster, on the other you can hear the hesitation in his tone about revisiting Firefly.  I can sympathize, as much as I love Firefly I respect the desire to move forward and not be shackled to previous projects.  It's like he balancing on a razor blade trying to keep the fans happy while at the same time telling them it ain't gonna happen.

I'd just like to have some closure for certain aspects of Firefly honestly. Like who/what exactly Book was prior to becoming a shepherd.


They covered it in a Firefly comic:

(Spoilers)

His background is explored further in the comic book Serenity: The Shepherd's Tale. Book was born Henry Evans, a boy who was raised by an abusive father. He ran away from home and began life as a petty criminal before being recruited by the Independence movement and moving out to the Border Worlds. Long before the Alliance begins the Unification War, forward-thinking Browncoats assign Evans to be a long-term mole. He sheds his old identity by killing a random passerby and stealing his identification card, becoming Derrial Book. His Browncoat superiors keep tabs on him by surgically removing one of his eyes and replacing it with an artificial camera. He joins the Alliance military and quickly moves up in rank. Becoming an officer, Book intentionally leads a risky operation that results in a humiliating defeat for the Alliance. He is forced to retire from the Alliance military. It is implied that the Alliance covers up the loss, therefore not officially punishing Book. Homeless, he visits a soup kitchen and finds God while contemplating a bowl of soup. He takes refuge at an abbey where he becomes a shepherd before leaving on Serenity to become a missionary.
 
2013-03-23 05:07:15 PM

LemSkroob: Bit of a double-dip i guess. They only way it would make sense i guess would be if giving to Kickstarter was the same as pre-ordering a copy of the DVD. If you dont get a full copy of the movie, its a loss for you.


There's a little more to it than that. If it's a project you personally want to see made, there's the game theory aspect to it as well -- can you rely on others to fund it? That said, most of these crowdfunded project give you a copy if you donate over a certain funding level. For Veronica Mars, anyone who kicked in over $35 gets a copy of the film.
 
2013-03-23 05:07:50 PM
I should mention the non-profit I work for is turning to crowdfuding, so I'm getting a kick of of these replies, etc.
 
2013-03-23 05:27:04 PM

realmolo: The first season of "Veronica Mars" was fantastic. Probably the best "mystery" show ever. It was nearly perfect.

The second and third seasons...not so much. They're almost like the "Matrix" sequels, in that they diminish the greatness of the first season by retroactively messing up some of the plot and characters.

 A movie could work, though.


What Matrix sequels. There were no Matrix sequels........
 
2013-03-23 05:36:11 PM

kab: How is this fleecing the market subby?

If anything, every form of entertainment out there should be funded this way.   Fewer folks lose money, and consumers get exactly what they want / deserve.


I'm not sure that would work.

Now, if you said that it could contribute, that is to say, create a hybrid model whereby people who come in on a Kickstarter-type project get "shares" in the final AND studios back the rest, to include promotion, handshaking and marketing (I'd be pissy if I put in $35 to facilitate a project that eventually ended up making $1B worldwide and a fat profit for a studio exec and all I get is a copy of the movie), because let's face it, any deal where money gets exchanged for proposed profit is a "who you know" sort of deal, then maybe I can see this sort of thing having legs.

But right now?   I think Kickstarter-funded projects that don't really have centralized control by people who can capably promote the project AND sell it to a wide-scale audience are a pipe dream.  

The other thing about this of number of people passionate enough to fund a project doesn't take into account all the people who would go see a movie because "it's out there to be seen".  There are plenty of people in the world that really don't care who directs something, who stars in something and all the other blah-blah some of us care about.  They go and see a movie because that's just what they do.  That's a harder chunk of the population to figure out.

I think studios kind of use things like Serenity and Snakes on a Plane as cautionary tales.  The internet likes it?  Big deal.  Not everybody is as "plugged in" as those people are.  

Alphakronik: Mugato: jake_lex: I never saw Firefly as a show that was going to be able to go 100+ episodes without getting lame, anyway

I could see Whedon's "everyone is so clever and sarcastic" dialog getting old fast. It certainly did with Buffy. A lot of otherwise good writers have the problem of all their characters speaking in the same voice. See also Aaron Sorkin, Kevin Smith, Tarantino.

I'd say while Tarantino has been guilty of that in the past, his most recent films have seemed to show an improvement in the area (Inglorious Basterds, Django).

Well scripted, and very well written, IMO.


I used to be a big believer that Tarantino would end up like Smith and Whedon in the whole "overwritten dialogue" category.  (Sorkin slightly edges the both of them out - but not by much - because he can at least write stories among adults, not overgrown children or pretentious hipsters.  You get the feeling those two write scenes as if they were thinking "yeah, everyone's going to be repeating THAT to their friends after they leave the theater, bwah, I'm so clever" - nobody ever notes Smith or Whedon for their visuals, and it's very likely because they care more telling than showing.)

Then I saw the House of Blue Leaves scene in Kill Bill Pt. 1.  Not the Crazy 88 fight, though that had its merits.  Just the scene between the Bride and O-Ren.  To this day, I will stop anything I'm doing to watch that scene.  Say what you want about Tarantino's ability to write dialogue, but if you look at that scene and can say that he's "just a writer" the way Smith and Whedon are writers, you must be blind.
 
2013-03-23 05:53:05 PM

MrEricSir: LemSkroob: Bit of a double-dip i guess. They only way it would make sense i guess would be if giving to Kickstarter was the same as pre-ordering a copy of the DVD. If you dont get a full copy of the movie, its a loss for you.

There's a little more to it than that. If it's a project you personally want to see made, there's the game theory aspect to it as well -- can you rely on others to fund it? That said, most of these crowdfunded project give you a copy if you donate over a certain funding level. For Veronica Mars, anyone who kicked in over $35 gets a copy of the film.


Which is pretty much buying a DVD copy twice.

Make it a $19.95 for a physical DVD when it comes out, and then i would bite. Like i had said, just make it a pre-order system. Paying more for something that is known to have a true value that is lower is just silly.
 
2013-03-23 05:54:39 PM

kroonermanblack: Wtf is 'veronica mars'? It's drawing a lot of bizarre comparisons, but the name makes me think it's some low-rent Sex and City knockoff.

I could google it, I know, but I thought I'd ask since everyone here seems to love it?

/no, lmgtfy isn't farking funny or helpful, before you post it
//fellow consumer feedback is important and helpful in defining a genre above and beyond what generic press conference marketing can tell me


Sex and the City?!?  Not even the tiniest bit. If I had to compare it to anything, maybe a cross between Buffy the Vampire Slayer (minus vampires) and Freaks and Geeks.
 
2013-03-23 05:59:42 PM

Mad_Radhu: Iczer: Ennuipoet: I like reading Joss Whedon's reactions to this.  On the one hand he's a booster, on the other you can hear the hesitation in his tone about revisiting Firefly.  I can sympathize, as much as I love Firefly I respect the desire to move forward and not be shackled to previous projects.  It's like he balancing on a razor blade trying to keep the fans happy while at the same time telling them it ain't gonna happen.

I'd just like to have some closure for certain aspects of Firefly honestly. Like who/what exactly Book was prior to becoming a shepherd.

They covered it in a Firefly comic:

(Spoilers)

His background is explored further in the comic book Serenity: The Shepherd's Tale. Book was born Henry Evans, a boy who was raised by an abusive father. He ran away from home and began life as a petty criminal before being recruited by the Independence movement and moving out to the Border Worlds. Long before the Alliance begins the Unification War, forward-thinking Browncoats assign Evans to be a long-term mole. He sheds his old identity by killing a random passerby and stealing his identification card, becoming Derrial Book. His Browncoat superiors keep tabs on him by surgically removing one of his eyes and replacing it with an artificial camera. He joins the Alliance military and quickly moves up in rank. Becoming an officer, Book intentionally leads a risky operation that results in a humiliating defeat for the Alliance. He is forced to retire from the Alliance military. It is implied that the Alliance covers up the loss, therefore not officially punishing Book. Homeless, he visits a soup kitchen and finds God while contemplating a bowl of soup. He takes refuge at an abbey where he becomes a shepherd before leaving on Serenity to become a missionary.


Why the flaming fark would he be homeless? He's a long-term mole, he would be recovered for debriefing, and probably training and counter-whatever tactics type analysis.
 
2013-03-23 06:39:48 PM
Having somehow blinked and missed the half-season Firefly was around, I caught the movie Serenity without any knowledge of the show. I loved it. The vision, the cast, the whole thing hung together really well.

So I went and tracked down Firefly, and was over it within two-and-a-half episodes. The scripts were thin, the acting wooden, the production values bordering on laughable.

Sorry, fanboys. You should feel lucky you have that film as the show's legacy
 
2013-03-23 06:43:35 PM

kroonermanblack: He's a long-term mole, he would be recovered for debriefing, and probably training and counter-whatever tactics type analysis.


And this is why certain mysteries should be left as  mysteries goddammit. Not everything needs to be explained, not every lose end needs to be tied up. We don't need to know Book's backstory- it's enough to know that he  has one, and the things he doesn't tell us have an effect on what's happening in the story right now.
 
2013-03-23 06:52:14 PM
Thank Christ I didn't have to fork over my own cash to get more Arrested Development.
 
2013-03-23 07:01:54 PM

FirstNationalBastard: dopekitty74: I'd contribute to a kickstarter to make a finale episode for My Name Is Earl.

/still want's to know who Dodge's daddy is!

Didn't they just pretty much wrap My Name Is Earl up on an episode of Raising Hope?



FirstNationalBastard: dopekitty74: Did they? I don't have cable anymore and never got into that show when i did.

No, turns out they just got all the cast members back to play different roles, which pissed away an opportunity to actually wrap My Name Is Earl up.

/I had heard there was a My Name Is Earl reunion on the show... stupid me, I thought the actors had appeared as their Earl characters.



In the first episode of "Raising Hope", a newscaster starts a report saying something along the lines of "A small town crook trying to make amends finally completes his list, and you'll never believe how."
 
2013-03-23 07:33:43 PM

Mugato: Ennuipoet: I like reading Joss Whedon's reactions to this.  On the one hand he's a booster, on the other you can hear the hesitation in his tone about revisiting Firefly.  I can sympathize, as much as I love Firefly I respect the desire to move forward and not be shackled to previous projects.  It's like he balancing on a razor blade trying to keep the fans happy while at the same time telling them it ain't gonna happen.

I liked Firefly as much as the next nerd but it's over. Almost all of the cast has new gigs (has whatever show Summer Glau is on been canceled yet?) and Whedon's going to be tied up with Marvel for at least the next decade. Anyway, they tied things up pretty nicely in the movie no one saw.


And if you've read any of the comics that Whedon has put out, its just as well there won't be any more FIREFLY.

In short:  they suck ass.
 
2013-03-23 08:14:14 PM

alwaysjaded: Another precedent that will be set is the amount of whining of fan boys if this movie isn't one of the greatest films ever made. Considering the amount of righteous outrage you see when a nostalgia trip type movie doesn't measure up to expectations for a ticket price of $8-12, but when fans are shelling out 10 grand? Some pharmaceutical company is going to get rich inventing a cream needed to soothe those ruffled feathers.

Look at what happened with Serenity.


...I don't know any Firefly fan that didn't think Serenity was at least good.  Some took issue with the exposition and the death of certain characters, but they didn't condemn it like the Trek fanboys have with the reboot movie, and are already doing with Reboot II: The Wrath of the Fanboys.
 
2013-03-23 08:15:02 PM

Ennuipoet: I like reading Joss Whedon's reactions to this.  On the one hand he's a booster, on the other you can hear the hesitation in his tone about revisiting Firefly.  I can sympathize, as much as I love Firefly I respect the desire to move forward and not be shackled to previous projects.  It's like he balancing on a razor blade trying to keep the fans happy while at the same time telling them it ain't gonna happen.


All he needs to do is get a Kickstarter going for Dr. Horrible 2. All will be forgiven.
 
2013-03-23 08:24:13 PM
I just can't see myself giving up cash for vaporware
/Anyone received their Ouya yet?
 
2013-03-23 08:39:30 PM

IlGreven: All he needs to do is get a Kickstarter going for Dr. Horrible 2. All will be forgiven.


Why the hell would that need a Kickstarter? He funded the first one out-of-pocket, paid everyone involved, and made a huge profit. And that was before Avengers.

Kickstarter is for things that wouldn't otherwise get funded... that doesn't remotely apply to Dr. Horrible.  If everyone involved was ready to make Dr. Horrible 2, it would have happened.
 
2013-03-23 08:58:31 PM

clkeagle: IlGreven: All he needs to do is get a Kickstarter going for Dr. Horrible 2. All will be forgiven.

Why the hell would that need a Kickstarter? He funded the first one out-of-pocket, paid everyone involved, and made a huge profit. And that was before Avengers.

Kickstarter is for things that wouldn't otherwise get funded... that doesn't remotely apply to Dr. Horrible.  If everyone involved was ready to make Dr. Horrible 2, it would have happened.


Wasn't Dr. Horrible more or less just a way for him and some bored cast and crew to have some fun and make some cash during the writer's strike? It was really more of a happy accident than anything else that it ever got made.
 
2013-03-23 09:12:19 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: doczoidberg: When is Kristen Bell going to pose nude?


Let's get one thing straight - I think Kristen Bell is sexy as hell, has a beautiful face and a killer body...but after seeing that still frame from awhile ago where one of her girls made a sneak peak....I don't think you want to see them all up in the daylight.  Nothing terribly wrong with them - but they are not classically trained show-em-if-you-got-em boobies.


Maybe you get laid a lot more than I, but I have never been interested in seeing boobies and then failed to enjoy them when I get the chance.
 
2013-03-23 09:17:01 PM

IlGreven: ...I don't know any Firefly fan that didn't think Serenity was at least good


I think it was a forgettable mess that failed as a movie to engage non-fans and failed as a tribute to the show fans loved. I'm not saying it was  bad, but it certainly wasn't good, even if it did have some individually good moments. It didn't feel necessary. It definitely didn't feel satisfying.
 
2013-03-23 09:42:31 PM

LemSkroob: MrEricSir: LemSkroob: Bit of a double-dip i guess. They only way it would make sense i guess would be if giving to Kickstarter was the same as pre-ordering a copy of the DVD. If you dont get a full copy of the movie, its a loss for you.

There's a little more to it than that. If it's a project you personally want to see made, there's the game theory aspect to it as well -- can you rely on others to fund it? That said, most of these crowdfunded project give you a copy if you donate over a certain funding level. For Veronica Mars, anyone who kicked in over $35 gets a copy of the film.

Which is pretty much buying a DVD copy twice.

Make it a $19.95 for a physical DVD when it comes out, and then i would bite. Like i had said, just make it a pre-order system. Paying more for something that is known to have a true value that is lower is just silly.



That doesn't make any sense. Then you're not funding the movie, you're just buying the dvd. If that's all you want, you can do that after the movie has been made. Which is only happening thanks to those fans that donated.
 
2013-03-23 10:50:29 PM

Cheater71: LemSkroob: MrEricSir: LemSkroob: Bit of a double-dip i guess. They only way it would make sense i guess would be if giving to Kickstarter was the same as pre-ordering a copy of the DVD. If you dont get a full copy of the movie, its a loss for you.

There's a little more to it than that. If it's a project you personally want to see made, there's the game theory aspect to it as well -- can you rely on others to fund it? That said, most of these crowdfunded project give you a copy if you donate over a certain funding level. For Veronica Mars, anyone who kicked in over $35 gets a copy of the film.

Which is pretty much buying a DVD copy twice.

Make it a $19.95 for a physical DVD when it comes out, and then i would bite. Like i had said, just make it a pre-order system. Paying more for something that is known to have a true value that is lower is just silly.


That doesn't make any sense. Then you're not funding the movie, you're just buying the dvd. If that's all you want, you can do that after the movie has been made. Which is only happening thanks to those fans that donated.


Preordering absolutely counts as funding a project.
 
2013-03-23 10:57:31 PM

Smackledorfer: Preordering absolutely counts as funding a project.


Not generally, no. Pre-ordering is a marketing gimmick to get people to give you money  before your product is released, but well after it's been put through production. It doesn't have to be that way, but when people talk about pre-ordering, that's almost always what they mean.

Kickstarter frowns on using their service as a form of pre-ordering. That's why most projects have a variety of rewards. The purpose of the reward is  not to be equivalent to the purchase price. You might donate $50 for the promise of a t-shirt, for example. It's much more like the PBS fund drives- donate $300, and you can get this sturdy tote-bag, emblazoned over its entire surface with the color brown. The bag clearly isn't worth that much money, but it's a reward for donating that much money.

Long story short: Kickstarter isn't a place to do pre-orders or to sell things.
 
2013-03-24 01:52:02 AM
People paying up front for the movies they want to see. That's a dream come true.
 
2013-03-24 02:19:21 AM

t3knomanser: Not generally, no


I would argue that any time a company is still putting money into their product then the  money coming from a pre-order counts towards the funding of a project.

If most pre-ordering takes place after that point, then I would have to agree with you.  I pre-ordered once, and the store took more orders than they stocked anyways.  I will never pre-order again.


That said, in the context of LemSkroob's post, his example would, I think we both agree, certainly count as funding a project.
 
2013-03-24 02:24:20 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Mugato: Ennuipoet: I like reading Joss Whedon's reactions to this.  On the one hand he's a booster, on the other you can hear the hesitation in his tone about revisiting Firefly.  I can sympathize, as much as I love Firefly I respect the desire to move forward and not be shackled to previous projects.  It's like he balancing on a razor blade trying to keep the fans happy while at the same time telling them it ain't gonna happen.

I liked Firefly as much as the next nerd but it's over. Almost all of the cast has new gigs (has whatever show Summer Glau is on been canceled yet?) and Whedon's going to be tied up with Marvel for at least the next decade. Anyway, they tied things up pretty nicely in the movie no one saw.

And if you've read any of the comics that Whedon has put out, its just as well there won't be any more FIREFLY.

In short:  they suck ass.


I will politely disagree. His run on Astonishing X-Men was fantastic and got me reading the X books again for a while until they went downhill again.
 
2013-03-24 02:27:28 AM

Smackledorfer: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: doczoidberg: When is Kristen Bell going to pose nude?


Let's get one thing straight - I think Kristen Bell is sexy as hell, has a beautiful face and a killer body...but after seeing that still frame from awhile ago where one of her girls made a sneak peak....I don't think you want to see them all up in the daylight.  Nothing terribly wrong with them - but they are not classically trained show-em-if-you-got-em boobies.

Maybe you get laid a lot more than I, but I have never been interested in seeing boobies and then failed to enjoy them when I get the chance.


"When you've seen one pair of boobs. It just makes you want to see all the rest of them." - Ron White
 
2013-03-24 02:30:37 AM
The more accurate model is "some people paying up front for the movies they want to see, the majority downloading it for free at no expense via bittorrent"
 
2013-03-24 02:36:30 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: But for budget and cast availability how about Terriers?


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
kab
2013-03-24 02:39:11 AM

narkor: The more accurate model is "some people paying up front for the movies they want to see, the majority downloading it for free at no expense via bittorrent"


Well that's the thing.  Piracy becomes a bit of a moot point, because if the project doesn't hit its goal, it simply doesn't get made.
 
2013-03-24 02:45:10 AM

t3knomanser: IlGreven: ...I don't know any Firefly fan that didn't think Serenity was at least good

I think it was a forgettable mess that failed as a movie to engage non-fans and failed as a tribute to the show fans loved. I'm not saying it was  bad, but it certainly wasn't good, even if it did have some individually good moments. It didn't feel necessary. It definitely didn't feel satisfying.


I thought it was awesome and nicely answered two of the four major questions I had after the series ended -- What's River's deal? and Reavers...why?  And I can live without knowing what's up with the blue glove guys or what Book's backstory was (he was a former Alliance agent, we all know it).  My only complaint about it is that the Alliance Agent was too similar to Jubal Early, and felt like a rehash.  Other than that (and that only barely bothered me), it was totally what I want in a sci-fi flick spun off a TV show.  It wasn't just a long episode, it was big and showy but still stayed true to the series.
 
2013-03-24 02:56:29 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: But for budget and cast availability how about Terriers?


How about a Terriers and Rubicon crossover movie. The boys stumble upon a sleeper cell that the American Policy Institute has been tracking for some time and they threaten to spoil the entire operation when they get into a property dispute over the placement of a dog house.
 
2013-03-24 08:35:07 AM

Phil Moskowitz: Zarquon's Flat Tire: But for budget and cast availability how about Terriers?

How about a Terriers and Rubicon crossover movie. The boys stumble upon a sleeper cell that the American Policy Institute has been tracking for some time and they threaten to spoil the entire operation when they get into a property dispute over the placement of a dog house.


Never saw Rubicon but okay, sounds good.
 
2013-03-24 09:55:36 AM

skepticultist: What's River's deal? and Reavers...why?


Two questions I didn't actually want answered, because I knew the answer was going to be incredibly stupid. And I was right.

The Reavers should have simply been people driven mad by being out in space for too long. Imagine that- you just have people who have wandered too far from civilization, for too long, and they lose what makes them human. It could happen to anyone.

As for River's deal- ugh. The idea that she's a supersoldier waiting to snap is just... feh. It would have been way cooler had she simply been experimented on, broken, and tossed aside. She's just mentally crippled, and she doesn't get superpowers in the bargain. The Alliance wants her, not because she has the last samples of super-soldier serum in her blood, but because she was supposed to have been  disposed of. And they failed to dispose of her.
 
2013-03-24 10:49:33 AM
Kickstarter is a bad thing and you should feel bad if you support this.

Instead of the usual process of "guy has an idea, gets investors, produces the idea, and if it's well liked he and the investors profit, if it's not, they're boned" this is becoming "guy has an idea, asks fans to chip in with money as investors, produces the idea, and if it's well liked he, and only he, makes the profits while the fanvestors just get some swag and glee, if it's not well liked, well, he didn't lose s*** and can go about his day."  It's just a very clever way of separating a fool and his money.

Look at the Veronica Mars shenanigans. Gee, Rob Thomas and Kristen Bell wanted to make the movie to "please the fans", so they asked the fans for support. Fans are flocking in droves and it's nearly reaching the 2 million dollars goal in less than a week. After they get the money, the movie will be filmed and, Warner Brothers agreed that they'd distribute the movie. Guess what's gonna happen? Veronica Mars will be a modest hit with a big ROI. Rob Thomas, Kristen Bell and WB will share the profits and the fans will get their glee. That's like getting charged twice. Plus in order to get the movie you need to chime in with at least $35 which is much more than a movie ticket or an iTunes download of the film.

If you think this is good, again, you should feel bad. They're taking a loan from all of you and will pay you exactly zero interest besides glee. Now, if glee is enough for you, then be my guest, but it's still a dumb thing since there are people who charge for giving loans, they're called banks. You're giving them free money so they can make free money. It's a win-win financial scenario for them and you're just getting glee out of it. Again, that's fine and dandy, but it's dumb.

Kickstarters should be made for non-profit products instead of commercial crap being sold to 3rd parties. A guy has a cool idea and he can't make it happen due to lack of funding money? It's okay then as long as he doesn't get to sell the products. Only the investors should get products and it's okay if the guy ends up with some extra money from the whole thing as a reward.
 
2013-03-24 11:29:50 AM

rocky_howard: They're taking a loan from all of you


No they are not. They are accepting donations in exchange for gifts. It is not a loan.
 
2013-03-24 12:01:11 PM

therecksays: DjangoStonereaver: Mugato: Ennuipoet: I like reading Joss Whedon's reactions to this.  On the one hand he's a booster, on the other you can hear the hesitation in his tone about revisiting Firefly.  I can sympathize, as much as I love Firefly I respect the desire to move forward and not be shackled to previous projects.  It's like he balancing on a razor blade trying to keep the fans happy while at the same time telling them it ain't gonna happen.

I liked Firefly as much as the next nerd but it's over. Almost all of the cast has new gigs (has whatever show Summer Glau is on been canceled yet?) and Whedon's going to be tied up with Marvel for at least the next decade. Anyway, they tied things up pretty nicely in the movie no one saw.

And if you've read any of the comics that Whedon has put out, its just as well there won't be any more FIREFLY.

In short:  they suck ass.

I will politely disagree. His run on Astonishing X-Men was fantastic and got me reading the X books again for a while until they went downhill again.


I was specifically referring to the FIREFLY comics that Dark Horse put out.

I have heard good things about Whedon's X-MEN run, but considering that I am not a fan of the X-Men or mutants in
general, I really can't argue the quality of those since even if they are as good as they are reputed to be, I would not
like them.
 
2013-03-24 12:06:35 PM

rocky_howard: Kickstarter is a bad thing and you should feel bad if you support this.

Instead of the usual process of "guy has an idea, gets investors, produces the idea, and if it's well liked he and the investors profit, if it's not, they're boned" this is becoming "guy has an idea, asks fans to chip in with money as investors, produces the idea, and if it's well liked he, and only he, makes the profits while the fanvestors just get some swag and glee, if it's not well liked, well, he didn't lose s*** and can go about his day."  It's just a very clever way of separating a fool and his money.

Look at the Veronica Mars shenanigans. Gee, Rob Thomas and Kristen Bell wanted to make the movie to "please the fans", so they asked the fans for support. Fans are flocking in droves and it's nearly reaching the 2 million dollars goal in less than a week. After they get the money, the movie will be filmed and, Warner Brothers agreed that they'd distribute the movie. Guess what's gonna happen? Veronica Mars will be a modest hit with a big ROI. Rob Thomas, Kristen Bell and WB will share the profits and the fans will get their glee. That's like getting charged twice. Plus in order to get the movie you need to chime in with at least $35 which is much more than a movie ticket or an iTunes download of the film.

If you think this is good, again, you should feel bad. They're taking a loan from all of you and will pay you exactly zero interest besides glee. Now, if glee is enough for you, then be my guest, but it's still a dumb thing since there are people who charge for giving loans, they're called banks. You're giving them free money so they can make free money. It's a win-win financial scenario for them and you're just getting glee out of it. Again, that's fine and dandy, but it's dumb.

Kickstarters should be made for non-profit products instead of commercial crap being sold to 3rd parties. A guy has a cool idea and he can't make it happen due to lack of funding money? It's okay then as long

as he doesn't get to sell the products. Only the investors should get products and it's okay if the guy ends up with some extra money from the whole thing as a reward.

facepalm.jpg
 
2013-03-24 12:15:00 PM

Cheater71: Nobody seems to want to do the math on this. Veronica mars will do 10 - 15 million tops. After distribution costs, marketing and theaters taking their cut, the actual profit is something like 6 million. Still a profit sure, but not exactly the 100s of millions Hollywood likes. This isn't something Hollywood can do long term and make a mint off of.


The math is your money + no film= out like bandits
 
2013-03-24 12:20:32 PM

dopekitty74: Did they? I don't have cable anymore and never got into that show when i did.


Cable??
 
2013-03-24 01:02:34 PM

skepticultist: My only complaint about it is that the Alliance Agent was too similar to Jubal Early, and felt like a rehash.  Other than that (and that only barely bothered me), it was totally what I want in a sci-fi flick spun off a TV show.  It wasn't just a long episode, it was big and showy but still stayed true to the series.


I have a feeling that they were originally supposed to be the same character, but with a bigger budget Joss was able to snag Chiwetel Ejiofor for the role, so he made him into a new character. If the series had continued, Jubal would probably have taken the place of The Operative in the TV storyline.
 
2013-03-24 01:03:37 PM
For the movie, it probably wasn't worth throwing out such a good character just because a similar one had already been used in a TV show that not a lot of people watched.
 
2013-03-24 02:22:54 PM
I'm probably going to out myself here, but I think people REALLY have the wrong idea about what happened here. While a few fans may have ponied up some cash via the kickstarter campaign, by far a majority of the kickstarter funds came from the Execs in the form of multiple fake accounts. This whole thing has been a publicity stunt for a film that was already funded with a promise by the studio to match any dollar they raised.
 
2013-03-24 05:24:11 PM

Evi1Bo1weevi1: This whole thing has been a publicity stunt for a film that was already funded with a promise by the studio to match any dollar they raised.


Since it's not being produced by a studio, your conspiracy theory is extra super crazy. It's being  distributed by Warner Brothers. They're not producing it. They're doing a limited theatrical release so that they can say it had a theater run, and then they're going DTV. Why on  Earth would they go through all that for something they're dumping on the Internet three days after the movie comes out?
 
2013-03-24 08:26:39 PM

t3knomanser: Evi1Bo1weevi1: This whole thing has been a publicity stunt for a film that was already funded with a promise by the studio to match any dollar they raised.

Since it's not being produced by a studio, your conspiracy theory is extra super crazy. It's being  distributed by Warner Brothers. They're not producing it. They're doing a limited theatrical release so that they can say it had a theater run, and then they're going DTV. Why on  Earth would they go through all that for something they're dumping on the Internet three days after the movie comes out?


It's not a conspiracy theory, everyone in the industry is talking about how good of an idea it was. It isn't even a secret.
 
2013-03-24 09:13:52 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: facepalm.jpg


Facepalm all you want. I don't think Kickstarters should be used to finance businesses. I'm okay with them being used to finance dreams and for the sake of seeing something completed and then the backers get gifts based on that, but never a commercial product. It's disingenuous.
 
2013-03-25 12:42:12 AM

machodonkeywrestler: Cheater71: Nobody seems to want to do the math on this. Veronica mars will do 10 - 15 million tops. After distribution costs, marketing and theaters taking their cut, the actual profit is something like 6 million. Still a profit sure, but not exactly the 100s of millions Hollywood likes. This isn't something Hollywood can do long term and make a mint off of.

The math is your money + no film= out like bandits


If no film gets made, kickstarter will work with donators to get their money back. Its not the big scam you think it is.
 
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