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(WTAE)   Western PA Man charged with drinking $102,000 worth of pre-Prohibition whiskey   (wtae.com) divider line 78
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2013-03-22 05:46:02 PM
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2013-03-22 05:53:43 PM
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2013-03-22 05:56:07 PM
In a criminal complaint, Chief Barry Pritts wrote Saunders denied drinking the whiskey or removing labels from the bottles. Saunders reportedly told police he moved the cases to clean them several times but never opened any of the bottles.

"Saunders said that the whiskey probably evaporated and being that old, it was probably no good," Pritts wrote.


48 bottles? Unlikely.

God, I hope he did it proper justice and didn't just dump it in a Big Gulp with some Dr. Pepper and chug it down with a straw. That  would be a crime.
 
2013-03-22 06:17:46 PM
So, what's his fark handle??
 
2013-03-22 06:41:37 PM
Saunders is now charged by Scottdale police with consuming 48 bottles of the historic whiskey.

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2013-03-22 07:07:20 PM
That's not too far from here.  I'm totes jelly.
 
2013-03-22 07:25:39 PM
Why the fark would a bottle of whiskey be worth $2100?
 
2013-03-22 07:30:29 PM

GAT_00: Why the fark would a bottle of whiskey be worth $2100?


0/10.

I expect better trolls from someone of your caliber.
 
2013-03-22 07:36:09 PM
GAT_00: Why the fark would a bottle of whiskey be worth $2100?

I'm guessing novelty, because Whiskey doesn't age in the bottle, only in the barrel.

Or they are just retarded and think it ages in the bottle like wine
 
2013-03-22 07:37:40 PM
Ummmm... Is he single? Is that wrong to ask? That's wrong to ask.

Dude, you're obviously on Fark. EIP. WIE?
 
2013-03-22 07:39:41 PM
Seriously, this guy may be the biggest dick/idiot in the world.

It's not about drinking the booze under the stairs, because contractors are douchebags and do shiat like that. It's the fact that one should have been able to at least assume that the bottles were not run-of-the-mill bottles of JD from a couple of years ago.
 
2013-03-22 07:40:45 PM
What is he being charged with? It would be nice to have more detail.
 
2013-03-22 07:42:07 PM

Oldiron_79: GAT_00: Why the fark would a bottle of whiskey be worth $2100?

I'm guessing novelty, because Whiskey doesn't age in the bottle, only in the barrel.

Or they are just retarded and think it ages in the bottle like wine


I bet some farkers will show up and think the latter as well... oh wait.
 
2013-03-22 07:42:18 PM
If it were me, I'd make sure they'd put that fact on my tombstone.
 
2013-03-22 07:44:01 PM

Oldiron_79: GAT_00: Why the fark would a bottle of whiskey be worth $2100?

I'm guessing novelty, because Whiskey doesn't age in the bottle, only in the barrel.

Or they are just retarded and think it ages in the bottle like wine


In the thread about the hundred year old whisky found in Antarctica, someone pointed out that it is interesting not because it ages in the bottle, but because it is preserved and has historical value. The whisky can show what alcohol was like in the day and, according to this one poster, its recipe could be reverse engineered in order to duplicate 1800s or early 1900s whisky or whatever year it was
 
2013-03-22 07:46:55 PM
In a row?  If that was even close to true he would have been so wasted while on the job they he couldn't have even walked out of the house.
 
2013-03-22 07:47:26 PM
There really needs to be a FARK thread of all the stupid shait renters do.
 
2013-03-22 07:47:58 PM
You know how you rent an apartment out to some random dude, right? And you leave $102,000 lying around in the place, you know? In one of those big, you know ... boxes, right? And you know how the dude takes it and just spends it? Yeah?

I hate when that happens.
 
2013-03-22 07:51:09 PM
This guy drank $102,000 worth of whiskey. What have YOU accomplished in your pathetic little life?
 
2013-03-22 07:52:05 PM

megarian: Ummmm... Is he single? Is that wrong to ask? That's wrong to ask.

Dude, you're obviously on Fark. EIP. WIE?


You are seriously going to regret asking for WEI.

/No, I won't do that to you.
 
2013-03-22 07:52:10 PM
I'm lost, did they leave the bottles in the basement apartment when they rented it to the guy or were they stored somewhere else and the guy just helped himself?
 
2013-03-22 07:55:01 PM

FreetardoRivera: Oldiron_79: GAT_00: Why the fark would a bottle of whiskey be worth $2100?

I'm guessing novelty, because Whiskey doesn't age in the bottle, only in the barrel.

Or they are just retarded and think it ages in the bottle like wine

I bet some farkers will show up and think the latter as well... oh wait.


You don't know collectors very well.

Napkin: $0.0001 USD

Napkin touched by celebrity: $10-$100 USD

Napkin touched by dead celebrity or historical figure you personally care about: Priceless.


There's people out there with lots of money who would buy pre-prohibition era whiskey not to drink but just to have. It's historical, or was.

But really who would leave $100,000 worth of potable artifacts in a house with a renter? That's kinda a big boner on their part.
 
2013-03-22 07:55:54 PM
WhippingBoy: This guy drank $102,000 worth of whiskey. What have YOU accomplished in your pathetic little life?

I've probably drank that much worth of whisky, I just did it with many more bottles of less expensive stuff
 
2013-03-22 07:56:18 PM

Pointy Tail of Satan: What is he being charged with? It would be nice to have more detail.


Stealing is my guess.  I'm not a law-talking guy, or a real estate type, but I imagine the lady who bought the mansion bought the contents as well.  Kind of a dick move to press charges or sue, though.

If I'd found it, I sure as shiat wouldn't have told.
 
2013-03-22 07:57:01 PM

Oldiron_79: WhippingBoy: This guy drank $102,000 worth of whiskey. What have YOU accomplished in your pathetic little life?

I've probably drank that much worth of whisky, I just did it with many more bottles of less expensive stuff


Impressive. Most impressive.
 
2013-03-22 07:57:09 PM

doglover: There's people out there with lots of money who would buy pre-prohibition era whiskey not to drink but just to have. It's historical, or was.


A premium has also been thrown on top of old booze after the Shackelton find, IMO. If something's good and had a following, there's now a slight chance that someone will attempt to replicate it with the technology that exists today.
 
2013-03-22 07:58:49 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Kind of a dick move to press charges or sue, though.


The charges shouldn't be that hefty, because even if this guy knew that these booze weren't your typical JD, he probably never knew they had that kind of value.

A civil lawsuit, though? Yeah, I'd have no problem with that.
 
2013-03-22 08:05:19 PM

puffy999: Lionel Mandrake: Kind of a dick move to press charges or sue, though.

The charges shouldn't be that hefty, because even if this guy knew that these booze weren't your typical JD, he probably never knew they had that kind of value.

A civil lawsuit, though? Yeah, I'd have no problem with that.


Yeah, he should pony up some dough, but not six figures.

The guy who took it must be dumb as hell. There's probably a date on the bottle or case, and even if there isn't it had look old...and it was hidden.  I like booze, but I think I would do some research before guzzling 48 bottles of the shiat.
 
2013-03-22 08:06:51 PM
Hell, I've drank that much sh*tty whisky.
 
2013-03-22 08:07:16 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Yeah, he should pony up some dough, but not six figures.


He'll never PAY that, regardless of any judgment.
 
2013-03-22 08:08:39 PM
On a related subject, I'm in a bit of a quandary right now. I've consumed one bottle of Apfelwein. I'm feeling pretty good, but quite there, if you know what I mean. If I have another bottle, I'll likely incur the wrath of my wife, and spend the night sleeping on the couch with the dog. What should I do?
 
2013-03-22 08:13:29 PM

WhippingBoy: On a related subject, I'm in a bit of a quandary right now. I've consumed one bottle of Apfelwein. I'm feeling pretty good, but quite there, if you know what I mean. If I have another bottle, I'll likely incur the wrath of my wife, and spend the night sleeping on the couch with the dog. What should I do?


kick the dog off the couch
 
2013-03-22 08:16:53 PM

chitownmike: WhippingBoy: On a related subject, I'm in a bit of a quandary right now. I've consumed one bottle of Apfelwein. I'm feeling pretty good, but quite there, if you know what I mean. If I have another bottle, I'll likely incur the wrath of my wife, and spend the night sleeping on the couch with the dog. What should I do?

kick the dog off the couch


You're the boss!

/to oblivion... and beyond!
 
2013-03-22 08:21:51 PM

WhippingBoy: On a related subject, I'm in a bit of a quandary right now. I've consumed one bottle of Apfelwein. I'm feeling pretty good, but quite there, if you know what I mean. If I have another bottle, I'll likely incur the wrath of my wife, and spend the night sleeping on the couch with the dog. What should I do?


Huh...Bembel...strangely enough I now the the proper name for that old pitcher I have sitting in the closet. Maybe if you tell her that you were educating fellow farkers on antiques that will help your cause ;)
 
2013-03-22 08:23:07 PM

WhippingBoy: On a related subject, I'm in a bit of a quandary right now. I've consumed one bottle of Apfelwein. I'm feeling pretty good, but quite there, if you know what I mean. If I have another bottle, I'll likely incur the wrath of my wife, and spend the night sleeping on the couch with the dog. What should I do?


Come over with the other bottle and you can have my couch!
 
2013-03-22 08:25:21 PM

ReapTheChaos: I'm lost, did they leave the bottles in the basement apartment when they rented it to the guy or were they stored somewhere else and the guy just helped himself?


I found another news article that describes the guy as the live-in caretaker of the mansion.
 
2013-03-22 08:25:56 PM

OgreMagi: megarian: Ummmm... Is he single? Is that wrong to ask? That's wrong to ask.

Dude, you're obviously on Fark. EIP. WIE?

You are seriously going to regret asking for WEI.

/No, I won't do that to you.


Why?
 
2013-03-22 08:28:18 PM

puffy999: Lionel Mandrake: Kind of a dick move to press charges or sue, though.

The charges shouldn't be that hefty, because even if this guy knew that these booze weren't your typical JD, he probably never knew they had that kind of value.

A civil lawsuit, though? Yeah, I'd have no problem with that.


I'm OK with the charges.  Don't take stuff from other people.  If it seems run-of-the-mill, but turns out to be really valuable to someone else, you may end up in a lot more trouble then you thought.
 
2013-03-22 08:34:18 PM
You'd think someone able to afford a mansion would be able to afford at least a couple of locks.
 
2013-03-22 08:34:29 PM

kim jong-un: OgreMagi: megarian: Ummmm... Is he single? Is that wrong to ask? That's wrong to ask.

Dude, you're obviously on Fark. EIP. WIE?

You are seriously going to regret asking for WEI.

/No, I won't do that to you.

Why?


Because I have enough class that I don't email photos of my junk to random strangers.
 
2013-03-22 08:40:42 PM

Oldiron_79: GAT_00: Why the fark would a bottle of whiskey be worth $2100?

I'm guessing novelty, because Whiskey doesn't age in the bottle, only in the barrel.

Or they are just retarded and think it ages in the bottle like wine


I have no idea.  I'd hope it's novelty, but even then I question that value.

I guess it must not have been bad since the guy drank that much of it.
 
2013-03-22 08:41:55 PM
  I think I'll start with 2 gallons of Jack Daniels...and a coke machine on the side.
 
2013-03-22 08:45:54 PM

OgreMagi: kim jong-un: OgreMagi: megarian: Ummmm... Is he single? Is that wrong to ask? That's wrong to ask.

Dude, you're obviously on Fark. EIP. WIE?

You are seriously going to regret asking for WEI.

/No, I won't do that to you.

Why?

Because I have enough class that I don't email photos of my junk to random strangers.


Oh come on, you're on fark. How much class can you have?
 
2013-03-22 08:49:21 PM
I have an unopened bottle of pre-war Canadian Club. Is it actually worth anything?
i.imgur.com

A a later 1945 version sold on eBay for US$72
 
2013-03-22 09:00:40 PM

puffy999: doglover: There's people out there with lots of money who would buy pre-prohibition era whiskey not to drink but just to have. It's historical, or was.

A premium has also been thrown on top of old booze after the Shackelton find, IMO. If something's good and had a following, there's now a slight chance that someone will attempt to replicate it with the technology that exists today.


It's not the same as 50 year old barrel aged stuff. That's expensive because it's a unique flavor that can be replicated with good chemistry.

Really old stuff is really old. There's only one way to replicate that, and technology to replicate that doesn't work yet. It's all down to physics: t=t
The Shackleford whiskey, for example, is unique because there was only one Shackleford and he only owned so many bottles of whiskey.
 
2013-03-22 09:01:15 PM
just curious, if the whiskey was as rare as it was, wouldn't it become more valuable the more he drank? I could see the value being almost triple by the time he polished off the last bottle
 
2013-03-22 09:13:01 PM
Consumed 48 bottles of another man's rye? Hangin's too good for him I tells ya!

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2013-03-22 09:15:04 PM

dogfarker: You don't know collectors very well.

Napkin: $0.0001 USD

Napkin touched by celebrity: $10-$100 USD

Napkin touched by dead celebrity or historical figure you personally care about: Priceless.


There's people out there with lots of money who would buy pre-prohibition era whiskey not to drink but just to have. It's historical, or was.

But really who would leave $100,000 worth of potable artifacts in a house with a renter? That's kinda a big boner on their part.


If you bothered to read the article, you'd know the answer to that question.
 
2013-03-22 09:15:06 PM
Maybe I'm not getting it, but it sounds like they found the whiskey while rehabbing the place into a B&B, and the renter was the guy that drank 48 bottles of it. Did they just leave the whiskey there after they finished the rehab and rented the place out?
 
2013-03-22 09:15:12 PM
I had some Old Mark, distilled 1919 (pre-prohibition), bottled 1933 (after).

$70/dram, I believe

Smelled like heaven.  The taste, I had better.
 
2013-03-22 09:24:56 PM
Why the fark would you rent an apartment to someone and leave over $200,000 worth of historical whiskey in the apartment?
 
2013-03-22 09:41:15 PM

megarian: Ummmm... Is he single? Is that wrong to ask? That's wrong to ask.

Dude, you're obviously on Fark. EIP. WIE?


How U Doiin
 
2013-03-22 09:47:56 PM

Phaeon: Oldiron_79: GAT_00: Why the fark would a bottle of whiskey be worth $2100?

I'm guessing novelty, because Whiskey doesn't age in the bottle, only in the barrel.

Or they are just retarded and think it ages in the bottle like wine

In the thread about the hundred year old whisky found in Antarctica, someone pointed out that it is interesting not because it ages in the bottle, but because it is preserved and has historical value. The whisky can show what alcohol was like in the day and, according to this one poster, its recipe could be reverse engineered in order to duplicate 1800s or early 1900s whisky or whatever year it was


And then we can party like it's 1899.
 
2013-03-22 10:01:16 PM

Mock26: Why the fark would you rent an apartment to someone and leave over $200,000 worth of historical whiskey in the apartment?


See thats what I was asking in my post above, was the booze actually in the apartment the guy was renting? Because if it was how can they press charges on him? I don't know how rental laws work in PA, but around here if you left something like that in a place and rented it out, you would be shiat out of luck.
 
2013-03-22 10:01:33 PM

Oldiron_79: WhippingBoy: This guy drank $102,000 worth of whiskey. What have YOU accomplished in your pathetic little life?

I've probably drank that much worth of whisky, I just did it with many more bottles of less expensive stuff


Cost is different than price though, either way, I still assume that I have smashed that total at the bar before the age of 30 and I drink Jameson and VO Gold.
 
2013-03-22 10:02:50 PM
"It must have evaporated,  and it probably sucked anyway."

Classic explanation. Works on two levels. First, it's a "fark-you" bullshiat excuse. Second, it probably did suck, which is why the guy didn't feel bad drinking about it. He just thought it was rotgut trash and decided to help himself. Sure it's theft, I guess, but what dumbass makes that possible in his own house?
 
2013-03-22 10:33:10 PM
There are collectors.However the value of the whiskey is based on prominence.There is no indication that owner was aware the items existed before being found.The owner can not testify to the condition of the collection.Although DNA samples show  Saunders handled the bottles, the prominence would have been lost had bottles been opened previously.The presumed value of the prominent items can never be authenticated.Therefore it has no value.Saunders may be charged with drinking the contents of the bottles.Opened whiskey from 1912 has no value other than the original purchase price.Which I'm guessing is less than $1.I'm not a lawyer but would that defense work?
 
2013-03-22 10:46:26 PM

megarian: Ummmm... Is he single? Is that wrong to ask? That's wrong to ask.

Dude, you're obviously on Fark. EIP. WIE?


So, drinking a bunch of whiskey makes his penis attractive? No wonder I'm single...

/Although I do have all this bourbon...
 
2013-03-22 10:59:42 PM
"I thought it was a housewarming present"
 
2013-03-22 11:05:45 PM

85blue: There are collectors.However the value of the whiskey is based on prominence.There is no indication that owner was aware the items existed before being found.The owner can not testify to the condition of the collection.Although DNA samples show  Saunders handled the bottles, the prominence would have been lost had bottles been opened previously.The presumed value of the prominent items can never be authenticated.Therefore it has no value.Saunders may be charged with drinking the contents of the bottles.Opened whiskey from 1912 has no value other than the original purchase price.Which I'm guessing is less than $1.I'm not a lawyer but would that defense work?


the colectors market doesnt work like that

it is like saying my 1884 NO mint Morgan silver dollar is only worth a dollar because it's face value is 1 dollar
 
2013-03-22 11:43:13 PM

puffy999: Seriously, this guy may be the biggest dick/idiot in the world.

It's not about drinking the booze under the stairs, because contractors are douchebags and do shiat like that. It's the fact that one should have been able to at least assume that the bottles were not run-of-the-mill bottles of JD from a couple of years ago.


Seriously. You know how many bottles of JD you could buy after pawning those off?!

Which would have been my ploy. Booze is useless if you can't drink it.
 
2013-03-22 11:48:30 PM

thenumber5: 85blue: There are collectors.However the value of the whiskey is based on prominence.There is no indication that owner was aware the items existed before being found.The owner can not testify to the condition of the collection.Although DNA samples show  Saunders handled the bottles, the prominence would have been lost had bottles been opened previously.The presumed value of the prominent items can never be authenticated.Therefore it has no value.Saunders may be charged with drinking the contents of the bottles.Opened whiskey from 1912 has no value other than the original purchase price.Which I'm guessing is less than $1.I'm not a lawyer but would that defense work?

the colectors market doesnt work like that

it is like saying my 1884 NO mint Morgan silver dollar is only worth a dollar because it's face value is 1 dollar


I understand what you are saying.But there is no way to attest to the condition of bottles to begin with.If you own a item you have never seen you can not reasonably claim it to be in good condition.Especially if it is over 100 years old.
If the liquid itself holds any value(for somehow replicating it) that value would have been lost when it was opened and exposed toenvironment.The evidence suggesting Saunders isresponsible for opening the bottles is circumstantial.I think he has a reasonable chance of beating the charge.
 
2013-03-22 11:53:29 PM

CruiserTwelve: Maybe I'm not getting it, but it sounds like they found the whiskey while rehabbing the place into a B&B, and the renter was the guy that drank 48 bottles of it. Did they just leave the whiskey there after they finished the rehab and rented the place out?


B&B= Booze and Breakfast?
 
2013-03-23 12:00:40 AM

85blue: I'm not a lawyer but would that defense work?


Only if you got the judge drunk first.
 
2013-03-23 12:14:42 AM
Looks more like he found it before she did and thought it was cheap swill, otherwise he would have not left and behind.
 
2013-03-23 12:23:50 AM
Guy took a chance on going blind or getting killed drinking that much unknown whiskey. Could've been anything in there.

On the other hand the owner was an idiot for leaving such high priced stuff around a renter.

 Story is so much whargrble
 
2013-03-23 12:28:40 AM

GAT_00: Why the fark would a bottle of whiskey be worth $2100?


Because it's old.
 
2013-03-23 12:37:56 AM

WhippingBoy: This guy drank $102,000 worth of whiskey. What have YOU accomplished in your pathetic little life?


Well, so far, I've been able to avoid being arrested for drinking $102,000 of someone else's whiskey.

It may not be much, but I'm drinking my own liquor tonight in my own house.  Cheers!
 
2013-03-23 12:47:02 AM

JesusJuice: GAT_00: Why the fark would a bottle of whiskey be worth $2100?

Because it's old.


Really? How much can I get for my Grandma?
 
2013-03-23 12:51:02 AM

Danger Avoid Death: JesusJuice: GAT_00: Why the fark would a bottle of whiskey be worth $2100?

Because it's old.

Really? How much can I get for my Grandma?


About as much as the old, empty bottle.
 
2013-03-23 12:51:30 AM

puffy999: Seriously, this guy may be the biggest dick/idiot in the world.

It's not about drinking the booze under the stairs, because contractors are douchebags and do shiat like that. It's the fact that one should have been able to at least assume that the bottles were not run-of-the-mill bottles of JD from a couple of years ago.


He could have read the sell-by date.
 
2013-03-23 01:01:21 AM

Summoner101: Danger Avoid Death: JesusJuice: GAT_00: Why the fark would a bottle of whiskey be worth $2100?

Because it's old.

Really? How much can I get for my Grandma?

About as much as the old, empty bottle.


I'll take it.
 
2013-03-23 01:20:09 AM
fark these people.

If it were worth $100,000 they should have had it insured.

Lock up the guy that talked.
 
2013-03-23 05:11:26 AM
Wasn't this an episode of Castle?
 
2013-03-23 06:58:13 AM
It's an open and shut case.
 
2013-03-23 10:05:41 AM

Oldiron_79: GAT_00: Why the fark would a bottle of whiskey be worth $2100?

I'm guessing novelty, because Whiskey doesn't age in the bottle, only in the barrel.

Or they are just retarded and think it ages in the bottle like wine


If the bottles were not perfectly sealed and some of the alcohol had evaporated over the years, the flavor could have become more concentrated.
 
2013-03-23 10:54:39 AM

StrangeQ: Oldiron_79: GAT_00: Why the fark would a bottle of whiskey be worth $2100?

I'm guessing novelty, because Whiskey doesn't age in the bottle, only in the barrel.

Or they are just retarded and think it ages in the bottle like wine

If the bottles were not perfectly sealed and some of the alcohol had evaporated over the years, the flavor could have become more concentrated.



Found an old bottle of Chivas once...The building had once housed a bar that had went outta biz at least 20 years prior...We opened it with eager anticipation,only to discover it had turned to the consistency of syrup...I wish I could say we dealt with it as gentleman and made pancakes...But we could not meet the challenge and chucked it.
 
2013-03-23 10:15:59 PM
I'm a bit confused... it sounds like he was renting the place, but they left a bunch of valuable whiskey under the stairs and didn't tell him not to drink it or that it was valuable?
I mean, if I moved into a house with a dusty case of whiskey left under the stairs that no one mentioned, I'd assume it was abandoned and up for grabs.
 
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