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2013-03-22 03:13:36 PM  
farking assholes.
 
2013-03-22 03:16:22 PM  
Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?
 
2013-03-22 03:19:25 PM  
what's that, FlashHarry?
 
2013-03-22 03:24:58 PM  

dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?


So, ok to kill a few cells = ok to kill adults?
 
2013-03-22 03:25:04 PM  

dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?


They laid off the gun control for a couple decades. Your side not only didn't let up, they turned the derp to 11.
 
2013-03-22 03:27:11 PM  

farkenarsehole: what's that, FlashHarry?


hey, how're you doin'?
 
2013-03-22 03:28:19 PM  

dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?


so high-capacity magazines are more important than halting "the massacre of the innocents?" boy, that's some moral code you've got there.
 
2013-03-22 03:28:30 PM  

dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?


How about reasonable restrictions on both?
 
2013-03-22 03:29:16 PM  

dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?


Considering the "ban" talks fizzled last week, your turn...
 
2013-03-22 03:39:23 PM  

dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?


We'll stop trying to persecute women in exchange for stopping trying to prevent mass murders.  Yeah, that seems like a totally fair deal.  Got any more of these "fair deals?"  Maybe a promise to cut taxes in exchange for massive cuts into the government safety net.  Sounds like roughly the same "compromise."
 
2013-03-22 03:44:16 PM  
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2013-03-22 03:45:15 PM  
So what does this mean for fertility clinics in North Dakota that freeze embryos?  Are they guilty of false imprisonment? Kidnapping?  What if they can't find viable surrogates for the embryos?  If they unplug the freezer they're now guilty of murder?

WTF North Dakota?  Seriously.  W. T.  F.?
 
2013-03-22 03:45:29 PM  

GAT_00: dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?

We'll stop trying to persecute women in exchange for stopping trying to prevent mass murders.  Yeah, that seems like a totally fair deal.  Got any more of these "fair deals?"  Maybe a promise to cut taxes in exchange for massive cuts into the government safety net.  Sounds like roughly the same "compromise."


This type of lib logic just doesn't hold...

Women having more babies means more people in North America - more people means more guns, more guns means less gun violence. Also more people means mass murder has less of an impact from a pure by the numbers approach.
 
2013-03-22 03:57:49 PM  

dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?


That's honestly the stupidest thing I've seen on Fark in a long, long time.
 
2013-03-22 04:01:09 PM  

WI241TH: So what does this mean for fertility clinics in North Dakota that freeze embryos?  Are they guilty of false imprisonment? Kidnapping?  What if they can't find viable surrogates for the embryos?  If they unplug the freezer they're now guilty of murder?

WTF North Dakota?  Seriously.  W. T.  F.?


Apparently there's a "This doesn't apply to fertility clinics" clause, but apparently the law is written terribly, so that fertility doctors are worried too.
 
2013-03-22 04:01:40 PM  

dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left: You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?



Unfortunately there are anti-abortion people who also think that they are trying to prevent a genocide of sorts, and there is no reasoning with them, they must be voted out. And I say that as someone who at heart generally opposes abortion, but that's my life, not public policy. It is offensive to even me that you consider this something to barter over, even if we could.

The only point worth making is that both the pro-restriction sides sound about equally ignorant of what they want to control.
 
2013-03-22 04:02:36 PM  

dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?


That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
 
2013-03-22 04:03:54 PM  

violentsalvation: dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left: You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?


Unfortunately there are anti-abortion people who also think that they are trying to prevent a genocide of sorts, and there is no reasoning with them, they must be voted out. And I say that as someone who at heart generally opposes abortion, but that's my life, not public policy. It is offensive to even me that you consider this something to barter over, even if we could.

The only point worth making is that both the pro-restriction sides sound about equally ignorant of what they want to control.


Well, as long as you've found a way to feel superior to everyone, that's what matters.
 
2013-03-22 04:07:49 PM  

Rincewind53: Apparently there's a "This doesn't apply to fertility clinics" clause, but apparently the law is written terribly, so that fertility doctors are worried too.


it's funny, as the GOP rapidly transforms into a real-life "know nothing" party, this is becoming more common. just last week a kansas bill that was supposed to allow concealed carry in courthouses actually allowed open carry.

i guess years of opposing education is finally paying off!
 
2013-03-22 04:08:18 PM  
+1 to TFA for using the phrase "anti-choice".  Framing it as pro-life / pro-choice intentionally skews the argument and frames it such that pro-choice ends up looking like anti-life.
 
2013-03-22 04:10:37 PM  

GAT_00: Well, as long as you've found a way to feel superior to everyone, that's what matters.


Somehow you got that out of my post.
 
2013-03-22 04:34:50 PM  

dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?


Pffffttt... like you've got any friends.
 
2013-03-22 05:15:55 PM  
I'm sure they are doing this so they can make a run for the Supremes again and get a better outcome.
 
2013-03-22 05:24:18 PM  
did they do this believing that SCOTUS would overturn Roe v Wade?  I don't get it.  as this stands, the legislation shouldn't even GET to SCOTUS.  a lower court will overturn it and SCOTUS will refuse to hear the appeal.  case over, everything resets to the starting position.
 
2013-03-22 05:35:40 PM  

Weaver95: did they do this believing that SCOTUS would overturn Roe v Wade?  I don't get it.  as this stands, the legislation shouldn't even GET to SCOTUS.  a lower court will overturn it and SCOTUS will refuse to hear the appeal.  case over, everything resets to the starting position.


In a perfect world, Congress would codify the law. But I am hopeful the courts will say that any and all restrictions to abortion are unconstitutional- and thus invalidating all anti-abortion laws.
 
2013-03-22 05:38:36 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: did they do this believing that SCOTUS would overturn Roe v Wade?  I don't get it.  as this stands, the legislation shouldn't even GET to SCOTUS.  a lower court will overturn it and SCOTUS will refuse to hear the appeal.  case over, everything resets to the starting position.

In a perfect world, Congress would codify the law. But I am hopeful the courts will say that any and all restrictions to abortion are unconstitutional- and thus invalidating all anti-abortion laws.


I just don't see the point in doing this.  I very strongly suspect that SCOTUS won't overturn Roe v Wade.  not only would that be rather difficult to justify, it would also fuel one hell of a massive backlash against the Republican party.  And the last thing they need right now is to unify everyone against them.  left wing, moderates, even fiscal conservatives and small government libertarians would unite to fight to destroy the GOP if the conservative wing of SCOTUS went and did that.
 
2013-03-22 05:44:39 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I'm sure they are doing this so they can make a run for the Supremes again and get a better outcome.


that would be disastrous for the national party. it would remove a galvanizing issue for them and handing one to their opponents. it would be the death of the GOP.
 
2013-03-22 05:44:48 PM  

Weaver95: Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: did they do this believing that SCOTUS would overturn Roe v Wade?  I don't get it.  as this stands, the legislation shouldn't even GET to SCOTUS.  a lower court will overturn it and SCOTUS will refuse to hear the appeal.  case over, everything resets to the starting position.

In a perfect world, Congress would codify the law. But I am hopeful the courts will say that any and all restrictions to abortion are unconstitutional- and thus invalidating all anti-abortion laws.

I just don't see the point in doing this.  I very strongly suspect that SCOTUS won't overturn Roe v Wade.  not only would that be rather difficult to justify, it would also fuel one hell of a massive backlash against the Republican party.  And the last thing they need right now is to unify everyone against them.  left wing, moderates, even fiscal conservatives and small government libertarians would unite to fight to destroy the GOP if the conservative wing of SCOTUS went and did that.


If you are going to go down- go down swinging.
 
2013-03-22 05:46:22 PM  
Nadie_AZ:
If you are going to go down- go down swinging.

I guess that's one way of looking at it.  seems like a big waste of time and money though.
 
2013-03-22 05:46:23 PM  

FlashHarry: Nadie_AZ: I'm sure they are doing this so they can make a run for the Supremes again and get a better outcome.

that would be disastrous for the national party. it would remove a galvanizing issue for them and handing one to their opponents. it would be the death of the GOP.


IF the party is fracturing and dying, then it would make sense to me that they are going to try to implement their agenda as much as they can as fast as they can. We've seen them say 'f*ck it' and hit the gas on other things- why not social issues as well?
 
2013-03-22 05:47:07 PM  

violentsalvation: GAT_00: Well, as long as you've found a way to feel superior to everyone, that's what matters.

Somehow you got that out of my post.


The only point worth making is both sides are ignorant?  How can you not get "I just wanted an excuse to show how much better than everyone else I am" from that?
 
2013-03-22 05:47:25 PM  
The small-government party of personal responsibility wants to force you to make a decision based on their interpretation of their religion.  Bless their hearts.
 
2013-03-22 05:51:40 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: The small-government party of personal responsibility wants to force you to make a decision based

on act in accordance to their interpretation of their religion.  Bless their hearts.

ftfm..."decision" implies that there is a choice between options available.  Nope.  The Republicans have taken your choice away.
 
2013-03-22 05:53:22 PM  
The GOP is endlessly fascinating. While the conversation among Washington and the Very Serious People is all about GOP moderation on social issues and returning to libertarian roots, actual Republicans who actually get elected as are batshiat conservative as ever.
 
2013-03-22 05:54:11 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Lionel Mandrake: The small-government party of personal responsibility wants to force you to make a decision based on act in accordance to their interpretation of their religion.  Bless their hearts.

ftfm..."decision" implies that there is a choice between options available.  Nope.  The Republicans have taken your choice away.


For freedom.
 
2013-03-22 05:55:19 PM  
Ah yes, the party that promises to keep government off my back.
 
2013-03-22 05:59:10 PM  

DamnYankees: The GOP is endlessly fascinating. While the conversation among Washington and the Very Serious People is all about GOP moderation on social issues and returning to libertarian roots, actual Republicans who actually get elected as are batshiat conservative as ever.


We've switched our platform for something more radical, let's see if they notice...
 
2013-03-22 06:09:04 PM  

mitchcumstein1: dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?

That's honestly the stupidest thing I've seen on Fark in a long, long time.


It's a negogiation now! We're just doing it because you're threatening to put restrictions on guns. Ignore the fact that they're not remotely the same thing and you have yourself a strong analogy at play!
 
2013-03-22 06:20:36 PM  
Hey government up women's vagina's is about as small as you can get.

Republicans don't believe in "Small government" they believe in unregulated business but that doesn't sound as good.
 
2013-03-22 06:21:19 PM  
The GOP's recent period of introspection has done wonders.
 
2013-03-22 06:21:36 PM  

sammyk: hey laid off the gun control for a couple decades. Your side not only didn't let up, they turned the derp to 11.


This. fark you, dittybopper.
 
2013-03-22 06:22:26 PM  

edmo: Ah yes, the party that promises to keep government off my back.


Well technically they are focusing on a totally different area of the body,
 
2013-03-22 06:22:32 PM  

dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?


Sure will make any weapon legal. You are for all weapons being illegal used in anyway?

Shooting people with a gun would be legal and not considered murder?

Or are some regulations actually good just it's only unfair when you don't like them?
 
2013-03-22 06:23:16 PM  

Corvus: Hey government up women's vagina's is about as small as you can get.

Republicans don't believe in "Small government" they believe in unregulated business but that doesn't sound as good.


That or someone like Ron Paul who is ok with tyranny as long as its done on the state-level.
 
2013-03-22 06:23:40 PM  

dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?


Sure can I start by shooting your family? You know because you wouldn't want to put restrictions on my gun use now would you?
 
2013-03-22 06:24:18 PM  

unyon: dittybopper: Hey, I'll make a deal with my friends on the left:  You pressure your politicians to lay off the gun control, we'll pressure ours to lay off abortion.

Deal?

How about reasonable restrictions on both?


That might work if anyone could agree on what's "reasonable".
 
2013-03-22 06:24:47 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Corvus: Hey government up women's vagina's is about as small as you can get.

Republicans don't believe in "Small government" they believe in unregulated business but that doesn't sound as good.

That or someone like Ron Paul who is ok with tyranny as long as its done on the state-level.


Yeah that is:

Libertarians don't believe in civil rights, just you can't say "I am a confederate" anymore.
 
2013-03-22 06:27:26 PM  
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By encouraging deregulation in the private healthcare and banking industry, free market forces will ensure competition drives prices down, making private healthcare and the American dream of home ownership affordable to all. It is unamerican to inject the Government in other people's business, and it is a core Republican belief that Government should be so small as to be able to drown it in your bathtub. Privacy, above all, is the God-given right of Americans.

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Vote fiscal responsibility.
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2013-03-22 06:27:45 PM  

Weaver95: did they do this believing that SCOTUS would overturn Roe v Wade?  I don't get it.  as this stands, the legislation shouldn't even GET to SCOTUS.  a lower court will overturn it and SCOTUS will refuse to hear the appeal.  case over, everything resets to the starting position.


One of the champions of this legislation said something earlier this week to the effect that they were wasting tax payer's money and proud to do it in this cause.
It's a statement of principles and they know it will be challenged and crushed under the law.
The question is whether or not these legislators can or will be held accountable for flagrantly wasting tax dollars. It's not like North Dakota has a lot of disposable income. I have never been closer than South Dakota, but if that's any guide, North Dakota's economy is based largely on the sale of rocks.
 
2013-03-22 06:28:26 PM  

Weaver95: did they do this believing that SCOTUS would overturn Roe v Wade?  I don't get it.  as this stands, the legislation shouldn't even GET to SCOTUS.  a lower court will overturn it and SCOTUS will refuse to hear the appeal.  case over, everything resets to the starting position.


You haven't figured it out?

As soon as it gets overturned, start biatching about 'Activist Judges' and fundraising.

It's the circle of derp.
 
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