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(CNN)   Man claims he was fired for being gay, employer claims it was not because he was gay but because he was a victim of domestic abuse. Well I guess that makes it all OK then   (cnn.com) divider line 76
    More: Asinine, Governors of Mississippi, legal recourse, UCLA School of Law, Chris Cooley, 38th state, U.S. Supreme Court  
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2013-03-22 04:04:55 PM  
Forrest County Sheriff Billy McGee said Cooley was not fired because he is gay but because he had called police about more than one domestic dispute. The same could have happened to a woman who reported abuse by a man, he said.

What?
 
2013-03-22 04:07:50 PM  
because he had called police about more than one domestic dispute. The same could have happened to a woman who reported abuse by a man, he said.

Good. He beats you once, its HIS fault. He beats you again, its YOUR fault.
 
2013-03-22 04:11:25 PM  
Southern hospitality.
 
2013-03-22 04:12:27 PM  
"Forrest County Sheriff Billy McGee said Cooley was not fired because he is gay but because he had called police about more than one domestic dispute."

I don't  think a government agency can fire someone for exercising a fundamental right to petition government for redress of grievances.  Private company could probably get away with it.
 
2013-03-22 04:13:19 PM  

impaler: What?


i20.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-22 04:25:13 PM  
Oh, ffs.  The firing happened in 2009.  ACLU got on it.  Case settled, guy reinstated in 2011.
 
2013-03-22 04:45:43 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Oh, ffs.  The firing happened in 2009.  ACLU got on it.  Case settled, guy reinstated in 2011.


So? It shouldn't have happened in the first place.
 
2013-03-22 04:46:46 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Oh, ffs.  The firing happened in 2009.  ACLU got on it.  Case settled, guy reinstated in 2011.


Ya they settled because they said he was discriminated against because he's gay.  I guess it's still OK to fire people for reporting domestic abuse however...
 
2013-03-22 04:47:25 PM  
I guess we knew his position on the baseball team!!
 
2013-03-22 04:48:15 PM  
Not an unusual occurrance for domestic violence victims. Usually causes by the employers being tired of the abuser repeatedly calling/showing up/ making the other employees uncomfortable.
 
2013-03-22 04:51:16 PM  
well that's farked up.

""From one day to the next you can have the best life, and at any point it can be taken away,"
You're gay in Mississippi, man. You never had the best life.
 
2013-03-22 04:58:20 PM  
Mississippi is a shiathole. Comparing it to the 3rd world is insulting to the 3rd world.
 
2013-03-22 05:00:52 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Oh, ffs.  The firing happened in 2009.  ACLU got on it.  Case settled, guy reinstated in 2011.



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2013-03-22 05:04:55 PM  
So wait, let's rewind.

That was a great article about how gays are discriminated against in the Third World of America. However,

Forrest County Sheriff Billy McGee said Cooley was not fired because he is gay but because he had called police about more than one domestic dispute. The same could have happened to a woman who reported abuse by a man, he said.

WHAT THE EVERLOVING F*CK?!??!?!??!

And the article kind of goes on as if that happens a lot and whatever?! "Yeah, so he had called about being the victim of domestic dispute and they can get fired. On to gay discrimination."

Mind. Blown.
 
2013-03-22 05:06:12 PM  
Having recently watched Small Town Gay Bar on Netflix, I am not surprised.
 
2013-03-22 05:09:33 PM  
My brother-in-law worries about this sort of thing.  We live in Oklahoma and he works for an oil company.  It really sucks he could be fired for being gay.
 
2013-03-22 05:19:08 PM  
Was it this guy...
img831.imageshack.us

I bet he is both!
 
2013-03-22 05:31:06 PM  
Regardless of the outcome of this case or how long ago it happened, there's this:

YOU CAN BE FIRED FOR BEING GAY IN 29 STATES.
In 2013.
In America.

/wow.
 
2013-03-22 05:32:49 PM  
Can't this be fixed with a federal law? Call it the Do Not discrimante Farkwads act.

Sect I: Do not discriminate you farkwad, against anybody for any reason.
 
2013-03-22 05:35:44 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Oh, ffs.  The firing happened in 2009.  ACLU got on it.  Case settled, guy reinstated in 2011.


Oh, no worries then right?

No one should criticize an inappropriate firing because with a huge organization backing them they may get their job back.
 
2013-03-22 05:39:25 PM  
When I was in college, I was fired for my views on Vietnam. Well, that and I was stealing projectors.
 
2013-03-22 05:39:33 PM  

NallTWD: Regardless of the outcome of this case or how long ago it happened, there's this:

YOU CAN BE FIRED FOR BEING GAY IN 29 STATES.
In 2013.
In America.

/wow.


Well if you would get the hint and quit being gay it would make this a lot easier..
 
2013-03-22 05:42:13 PM  

NallTWD: Regardless of the outcome of this case or how long ago it happened, there's this:

YOU CAN BE FIRED FOR BEING GAY IN 29 STATES.
In 2013.
In America.

/wow.


That's what the article said. But the guy sued and it was settled in his favor. So it must not be so clear-cut as that. Would they have settled if they were clearly had the right to fire him? Maybe but they had the homophobic, backwater jackasses nailed on some level, it would seem.
 
2013-03-22 05:46:21 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I don't  think a government agency can fire someone for exercising a fundamental right to petition government for redress of grievances.


They can in an "at will" state.
 
2013-03-22 05:49:16 PM  

Smackledorfer: BarkingUnicorn: Oh, ffs.  The firing happened in 2009.  ACLU got on it.  Case settled, guy reinstated in 2011.

Oh, no worries then right?

No one should criticize an inappropriate firing because with a huge organization backing them they may get their job back.


They certainly should, but this isn't news.

I'm sure there are plenty of RECENT firings for being gay CNN could and should be reporting on.
 
2013-03-22 05:50:43 PM  
To me, that's more offensive than gays not being able to marry. And taken with a host of other legal shortcomings and cultural factors, it's the reason I find Mississippi to be one of the worst states for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

Let's be fair here, it is one of the worst states for people.
 
2013-03-22 05:53:36 PM  

pciszek: BarkingUnicorn: I don't  think a government agency can fire someone for exercising a fundamental right to petition government for redress of grievances.

They can in an "at will" state.


Not exactly true.  Im an employer in an 'at will' state.  I can not fire some one for race, religion, sex or age.  I can fire anyone just because I feel like it.  That puts the burden of proof of the fired person to prove I fired them for one of the forbidden reasons.
 
2013-03-22 05:53:42 PM  

jst3p: To me, that's more offensive than gays not being able to marry. And taken with a host of other legal shortcomings and cultural factors, it's the reason I find Mississippi to be one of the worst states for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

Let's be fair here, it is one of the worst states for people.


I suspect also for barnyard animals...unless, you know, they're into that.
 
2013-03-22 06:00:17 PM  
 
2013-03-22 06:11:38 PM  

NallTWD: Regardless of the outcome of this case or how long ago it happened, there's this:

YOU CAN BE FIRED FOR BEING GAY IN 29 STATES.
In 2013.
In America.

/wow.


You can be fired for a any number of things, including random decision by your supervisor.  There is only a very small number of protected reasons for which you cannot be fired, and even those specific reasons require significant proof on the part of the person who was fired.

For example, you can be fired because your boss didn't like the color of a shirt they saw in a picture of you in 1967, thought your second cousin was a little too skinny, because they rolled a die and the number came up "4", or because a small rodent told them to - in a dream.  There is literally an infinite number of reasons for which you can be fired, none of which have to do with performance, productivity, suitability for the job, or conduct.  If you're not union, elected, or under specific contract, you learn quickly that "at will" has a very expansive definition.
 
2013-03-22 06:17:23 PM  

Khellendros: NallTWD: Regardless of the outcome of this case or how long ago it happened, there's this:

YOU CAN BE FIRED FOR BEING GAY IN 29 STATES.
In 2013.
In America.

/wow.

You can be fired for a any number of things, including random decision by your supervisor.  There is only a very small number of protected reasons for which you cannot be fired, and even those specific reasons require significant proof on the part of the person who was fired.

For example, you can be fired because your boss didn't like the color of a shirt they saw in a picture of you in 1967, thought your second cousin was a little too skinny, because they rolled a die and the number came up "4", or because a small rodent told them to - in a dream.  There is literally an infinite number of reasons for which you can be fired, none of which have to do with performance, productivity, suitability for the job, or conduct.  If you're not union, elected, or under specific contract, you learn quickly that "at will" has a very expansive definition.


Oh come on. Most people are fired for incompetence, laziness, tardiness, absenteeism, toxic presence in workplace, unsuitability for job and such. Employers hire people hoping they'll be good employees. They invest in training them and go to great expense sometimes to replace them. If you're union it's much harder to get those people out of your workplace, even if they deserve to be gone.
 
2013-03-22 06:17:36 PM  
 Deeper in the column - WTF is with the teacher who, after splitting the class into boys and girls for some sort of trivia contest, made the openly lesbian girl sit in the middle? "You're not a girl and you're not a boy, so you sit there."

No, seriously, WTF is that? Even in Mississippi, these are educators we're talking about. People who should probably know better. If those accusations are true (sometimes kids embellish things), that teacher is on My List.
 
2013-03-22 06:30:07 PM  

pdee: pciszek: BarkingUnicorn: I don't  think a government agency can fire someone for exercising a fundamental right to petition government for redress of grievances.

They can in an "at will" state.

Not exactly true.  Im an employer in an 'at will' state.  I can not fire some one for race, religion, sex or age.  I can fire anyone just because I feel like it.  That puts the burden of proof of the fired person to prove I fired them for one of the forbidden reasons.


Right--"exercising a fundamental right to petition government for redress of grievances" isn't on the forbidden list, so you can fire for that.  You can also fire someone for being gay, or because their aura looks gnarly.  This came up during the "fired for voting for Obama" thread some time back.
 
2013-03-22 06:49:25 PM  

NallTWD: Regardless of the outcome of this case or how long ago it happened, there's this:

YOU CAN BE FIRED FOR BEING GAY IN 29 STATES.
In 2013.
In America.

/wow.


The great thing is you can't be discriminated against because of your religion, which is a choice, but you can be discriminated against because of your sexual orientation, which is not.
 
2013-03-22 06:49:42 PM  

Cletus C.: Khellendros: NallTWD: Regardless of the outcome of this case or how long ago it happened, there's this:

YOU CAN BE FIRED FOR BEING GAY IN 29 STATES.
In 2013.
In America.

/wow.

You can be fired for a any number of things, including random decision by your supervisor.  There is only a very small number of protected reasons for which you cannot be fired, and even those specific reasons require significant proof on the part of the person who was fired.

For example, you can be fired because your boss didn't like the color of a shirt they saw in a picture of you in 1967, thought your second cousin was a little too skinny, because they rolled a die and the number came up "4", or because a small rodent told them to - in a dream.  There is literally an infinite number of reasons for which you can be fired, none of which have to do with performance, productivity, suitability for the job, or conduct.  If you're not union, elected, or under specific contract, you learn quickly that "at will" has a very expansive definition.

Oh come on. Most people are fired for incompetence, laziness, tardiness, absenteeism, toxic presence in workplace, unsuitability for job and such. Employers hire people hoping they'll be good employees. They invest in training them and go to great expense sometimes to replace them. If you're union it's much harder to get those people out of your workplace, even if they deserve to be gone.


It's true the overwhelming majority of actual firings take place because of actual misconduct on the part of the employee.  There's no sense in arguing about that point.

However I believe Khellendros's point is that there's technically no legal reason an at-will employee can't be fired because, for example, someone in a position of authority on the matter abruptly decided that people whose name's end in "g" don't deserve to have a job.  And while cases like that insane are obviously not all that common, it shouldn't even be possible.
 
2013-03-22 07:08:27 PM  
If it wasn't MS, that'd be a pretty expensive lawsuit.
 
2013-03-22 07:10:06 PM  

jst3p: To me, that's more offensive than gays not being able to marry. And taken with a host of other legal shortcomings and cultural factors, it's the reason I find Mississippi to be one of the worst states for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

Let's be fair here, it is one of the worst states for people.


Let me simplify that for you.
 
2013-03-22 07:26:18 PM  

Non-evil Monkey: Cletus C.: Khellendros: NallTWD: Regardless of the outcome of this case or how long ago it happened, there's this:

YOU CAN BE FIRED FOR BEING GAY IN 29 STATES.
In 2013.
In America.

/wow.

You can be fired for a any number of things, including random decision by your supervisor.  There is only a very small number of protected reasons for which you cannot be fired, and even those specific reasons require significant proof on the part of the person who was fired.

For example, you can be fired because your boss didn't like the color of a shirt they saw in a picture of you in 1967, thought your second cousin was a little too skinny, because they rolled a die and the number came up "4", or because a small rodent told them to - in a dream.  There is literally an infinite number of reasons for which you can be fired, none of which have to do with performance, productivity, suitability for the job, or conduct.  If you're not union, elected, or under specific contract, you learn quickly that "at will" has a very expansive definition.

Oh come on. Most people are fired for incompetence, laziness, tardiness, absenteeism, toxic presence in workplace, unsuitability for job and such. Employers hire people hoping they'll be good employees. They invest in training them and go to great expense sometimes to replace them. If you're union it's much harder to get those people out of your workplace, even if they deserve to be gone.

It's true the overwhelming majority of actual firings take place because of actual misconduct on the part of the employee.  There's no sense in arguing about that point.

However I believe Khellendros's point is that there's technically no legal reason an at-will employee can't be fired because, for example, someone in a position of authority on the matter abruptly decided that people whose name's end in "g" don't deserve to have a job.  And while cases like that insane are obviously not all that common, it shouldn't even be possible.


Hard to disagree with that. Might not want to work for an employee that stupid anyway. I did a quick google search of people fired for being gay and the examples I found were almost unanimously resolved to the fired employee's favor. Of course, any ashhole who might fire someone for being gay may look for some other reason and not overtly expose their homophobia. But even in states where there are no specific protections if someone fires you for being gay sue their sorry ashes and you are almost certain to win.
 
2013-03-22 07:49:16 PM  

Cletus C.: Non-evil Monkey: Cletus C.: Khellendros: NallTWD:


But even in states where there are no specific protections if someone fires you for being gay sue their sorry ashes and you are almost certain to win.

I don't think any of the gays fired by Cracker Barrel won.
 
2013-03-22 08:00:48 PM  

vernonFL: because he had called police about more than one domestic dispute. The same could have happened to a woman who reported abuse by a man, he said.

Good. He beats you once, its HIS fault. He beats you again, its YOUR fault.


Actually, it kind of is.

Thought exercise: You go into a McDonald's for an order of nuggets. The staff jump over the counter and beat the fark out of you. The police can't do anything for some reason.

Do you go back to that McDonald's when the same people are working?
 
2013-03-22 09:47:22 PM  

doglover: vernonFL: because he had called police about more than one domestic dispute. The same could have happened to a woman who reported abuse by a man, he said.

Good. He beats you once, its HIS fault. He beats you again, its YOUR fault.

Actually, it kind of is.

Thought exercise: You go into a McDonald's for an order of nuggets. The staff jump over the counter and beat the fark out of you. The police can't do anything for some reason.

Do you go back to that McDonald's when the same people are working?


Well, if we're going to play "Comically Absurd Non-Sequitur"...

www.cyclelicio.us
 
2013-03-22 09:54:47 PM  

doglover: vernonFL: because he had called police about more than one domestic dispute. The same could have happened to a woman who reported abuse by a man, he said.

Good. He beats you once, its HIS fault. He beats you again, its YOUR fault.

Actually, it kind of is.

Thought exercise: You go into a McDonald's for an order of nuggets. The staff jump over the counter and beat the fark out of you. The police can't do anything for some reason.

Do you go back to that McDonald's when the same people are working?


Hell yeah, with an AK-47!!!
 
2013-03-22 09:59:11 PM  

doglover: vernonFL: because he had called police about more than one domestic dispute. The same could have happened to a woman who reported abuse by a man, he said.

Good. He beats you once, its HIS fault. He beats you again, its YOUR fault.

Actually, it kind of is.

Thought exercise: You go into a McDonald's for an order of nuggets. The staff jump over the counter and beat the fark out of you. The police can't do anything for some reason.

Do you go back to that McDonald's when the same people are working?


Those two situations aren't even remotely comparable. A lot of abusers will intentionally cut off the victim from any safety net they may have, make them dependent on the abuser, and threaten to hurt pets/children/anything vulnerable the victim may care about. Because the victim has been cut off from friends and family, they have no way out.

/but continue with your stupid comparisons
 
2013-03-22 10:05:40 PM  

doglover: Thought exercise: You go into a McDonald's for an order of nuggets. The staff jump over the counter and beat the fark out of you. The police can't do anything for some reason.

Do you go back to that McDonald's when the same people are working?


What if this McDonald's is located in your own house, and threatens to kill you if you leave them?
 
2013-03-22 11:48:36 PM  

Cletus C.: Khellendros: NallTWD: Regardless of the outcome of this case or how long ago it happened, there's this:

YOU CAN BE FIRED FOR BEING GAY IN 29 STATES.
In 2013.
In America.

/wow.

You can be fired for a any number of things, including random decision by your supervisor.  There is only a very small number of protected reasons for which you cannot be fired, and even those specific reasons require significant proof on the part of the person who was fired.

For example, you can be fired because your boss didn't like the color of a shirt they saw in a picture of you in 1967, thought your second cousin was a little too skinny, because they rolled a die and the number came up "4", or because a small rodent told them to - in a dream.  There is literally an infinite number of reasons for which you can be fired, none of which have to do with performance, productivity, suitability for the job, or conduct.  If you're not union, elected, or under specific contract, you learn quickly that "at will" has a very expansive definition.

Oh come on. Most people are fired for incompetence, laziness, tardiness, absenteeism, toxic presence in workplace, unsuitability for job and such. Employers hire people hoping they'll be good employees. They invest in training them and go to great expense sometimes to replace them. If you're union it's much harder to get those people out of your workplace, even if they deserve to be gone.


or, you know, the boss found someone more attractive they'd like to fark, and of course, a guy whose major achievment was being so lame all he could do was write reports and brown nose so hard it turns inside out is exactly who should decide the winners and losers of the next generation of society.

not.
 
2013-03-22 11:53:04 PM  

mat catastrophe: And here's the asshole response.


FTFA: The gender identity provisions, meanwhile, undermine the right of employers to impose reasonable dress and grooming standards, by forbidding employers to use the most fundamental standard of all -- that people be dressed and groomed in a way that is culturally appropriate for their biological sex.

What is this I don't even
 
2013-03-22 11:55:15 PM  

Gyrfalcon: mat catastrophe: And here's the asshole response.

FTFA: The gender identity provisions, meanwhile, undermine the right of employers to impose reasonable dress and grooming standards, by forbidding employers to use the most fundamental standard of all -- that people be dressed and groomed in a way that is culturally appropriate for their biological sex.

What is this I don't even


Whoever wrote that needs to have a seat over there (in the women's room, i'd bet). Thinkin' just a little too much about it, ace!
 
2013-03-23 12:07:57 AM  

Gyrfalcon: mat catastrophe: And here's the asshole response.

FTFA: The gender identity provisions, meanwhile, undermine the right of employers to impose reasonable dress and grooming standards, by forbidding employers to use the most fundamental standard of all -- that people be dressed and groomed in a way that is culturally appropriate for their biological sex.

What is this I don't even


Yeah, that got to me too. I'm sorry, is it really your business what your employees wear, so long as they wear business dress if needed, and don't show too much skin, either way? I mean, last week my school had a pajamas day and one of the history teachers showed up in pants with Xs, Os and arrows on them. I had another coworker who wore a kilt, for no apparent reason. He isn't even Scottish. I wear pants at least two days a week.
 
2013-03-23 12:15:38 AM  
From one day to the next you can have the best life, and at any point it can be taken away," he told me, "just on the fact that you're gay."

dude...you're gay in Mississipi. The best life?  Really?
 
2013-03-23 12:22:00 AM  
Forrest County Sheriff Billy McGee said Cooley was not fired because he is gay but because he had called police about more than one domestic dispute. The same could have happened to a woman who reported abuse by a man, he said.

WHAT THE UNHOLY F*CK IS THIS BULLSH*T?!

No. You  may f*cking not fire an abuse victim of  any gender for being abused or--dear farking lord--for  seeking farking help. Do not pass go, do not collect $100,  THIS SHOULD NOT BE F*CKING LEGAL AND IS IN NO F*CKING WAY ETHICAL, YOU SAD SACK OF SH*T.

/And I don't care how long ago it happened, either. What the f*ck. Just...what the  f*ck.
 
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