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2013-03-22 01:29:01 PM
Aw, H - E double hockey sticks.
 
2013-03-22 01:40:34 PM

TFA:  This is global temperature over the last 10,000 years projected into the immediate future using good scientific estimates:



scienceblogs.com

Reality:
models.weatherbell.com
 
2013-03-22 01:43:27 PM

DesertDemonWY: TFA:  This is global temperature over the last 10,000 years projected into the immediate future using good scientific estimates:

[scienceblogs.com image 500x336]

Reality:
[models.weatherbell.com image 850x637]


i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-22 01:47:42 PM
I don't care what you call it, I don't trust computer models that complex.  As a computer professional myself, though admittedly not a climate expert, I feel there are FAR too many variables that we simply don't know to model something the size and complexity of the entire trophosphere.  Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting the Earth isn't warming, science seems pretty confident that it is, I'm just not sure we're anywhere near the point in data collection or algorithms to project something like that.
 
2013-03-22 01:53:22 PM
If we start changing the way we live to combat climate change what are future generations going to spend their time doing? I'll tell you what: killing their predecessors. We should leave this hornet's nest alone for the next generation to deal with because I don't know about you but I'm not going to go around fixing things for my progeny.
 
2013-03-22 01:56:52 PM
That's awesome.  This is weapons grade Swine Flu panic level derp
 
2013-03-22 02:08:38 PM
We are having an unusually chilly day here in KC today so therefore there is no global warming.
 
2013-03-22 02:11:15 PM

DesertDemonWY: TFA:  This is global temperature over the last 10,000 years projected into the immediate future using good scientific estimates:

[scienceblogs.com image 500x336]

Reality:
[models.weatherbell.com image 850x637]


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-22 02:11:26 PM

nekom: I feel there are FAR too many variables that we simply don't know to model something the size and complexity of the entire trophosphere.


I"m sure it's actually something simple. I think there's even a Python class where they just import earth_env and it's all ready to go. I totally put my full faith in what they say is going to happen.
 
2013-03-22 02:16:14 PM
I am not any sort of global warming denier, but here's where that graph was:

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-03-22 02:16:16 PM
The ONLY reliable world wide temperature graph is based on satellite measurement.. and we only have data back to 1979

<img src="http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_F eb_2013_v5.5.png">Yes, it's gone up a little.  No it is not smooth.
 
2013-03-22 02:18:21 PM

DesertDemonWY: TFA:  This is global temperature over the last 10,000 years projected into the immediate future using good scientific estimates:

[scienceblogs.com image 500x336]

Reality:
[models.weatherbell.com image 850x637]


Are you limiting analysis to four years in an effort to mock climate change denialists, or are you being willfully dishonest?
 
2013-03-22 02:18:22 PM
Maybe George W. Bush was right -- we need to wipe out entire countries if we're going to survive.
 
2013-03-22 02:18:39 PM

dognose4: The ONLY reliable world wide temperature graph is based on satellite measurement.. and we only have data back to 1979


I'm sure that your PHD in geophysics give you the authority to make such a blanket statement.
 
2013-03-22 02:24:12 PM
www.skepticalscience.com

I'm sure nothing will change with all this extra CO2 and CH4 in the atmosphere. It's not like the greenhouse effect is governed by the laws of physics or thermodynamics or anything...
 
2013-03-22 02:29:41 PM

T-Servo: [www.skepticalscience.com image 500x334]

I'm sure nothing will change with all this extra CO2 and CH4 in the atmosphere. It's not like the greenhouse effect is governed by the laws of physics or thermodynamics or anything...


If this trend keeps going for a million years, the temperature of the earth will be enough to melt steel!
STEEL!

/OMFGPANIC!
 
2013-03-22 02:29:58 PM
oi46.tinypic.com
Wake up, gweeple
 
2013-03-22 02:33:44 PM

nekom: I don't care what you call it, I don't trust computer models that complex.  As a computer professional myself, though admittedly not a climate expert, I feel there are FAR too many variables that we simply don't know to model something the size and complexity of the entire trophosphere.  Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting the Earth isn't warming, science seems pretty confident that it is, I'm just not sure we're anywhere near the point in data collection or algorithms to project something like that.


DENIER!

Send him and his family to the Re-Education Camp!
 
2013-03-22 02:38:47 PM
This is how it looks, unscaled on an alchohol thermometer.


suyts.files.wordpress.com
 
Bf+
2013-03-22 02:40:35 PM
static5.businessinsider.com
Looks a little skewed to me.
 
2013-03-22 02:43:16 PM

Giltric: This is how it looks, unscaled on an alchohol thermometer.


[suyts.files.wordpress.com image 850x389]


"On an alchohol [sic] thermometer"? What the hell does that even mean? And why the hell would you use a bar graph?

And if you're going to try to drown out the actual changes that have occurred, why not go whole farking hog and use Kelvin? What the hell relevance does 0° F have to the discussion?
 
2013-03-22 02:45:37 PM

DesertDemonWY: TFA:  This is global temperature over the last 10,000 years projected into the immediate future using good scientific estimates:

[scienceblogs.com image 500x336]

Reality:
[models.weatherbell.com image 850x637]


i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-22 02:49:57 PM

dognose4: The ONLY reliable world wide temperature graph is based on satellite measurement.. and we only have data back to 1979

<img src="http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_F eb_2013_v5.5.png">Yes, it's gone up a little.  No it is not smooth.


Whats so special about spess that temperature proxies measured there are infinitely more reliable than bits of mercury inside tubes, ice cores, tree rings, coral rings, pollen, and sedimentary deposits?
 
2013-03-22 02:52:25 PM
Now that is how you troll, folks.
 
2013-03-22 02:52:49 PM
Even the hockey stick is bullshiat. Theres diminishing returns when you add CO2 to the atmosphere. Even Svante Arrhenius (the one who discovered CO2 was a greenhouse gas) knew that it wouldn't run away, that the greenhouse effect would flatten out. 100+ years And they're still extropolating beyond %100 CO2.:
 
2013-03-22 03:00:16 PM
Dinki:

[25.media.tumblr.com image 813x555]

That explains last year's droughts.
 
2013-03-22 03:00:56 PM

legion_of_doo: T-Servo: [www.skepticalscience.com image 500x334]

I'm sure nothing will change with all this extra CO2 and CH4 in the atmosphere. It's not like the greenhouse effect is governed by the laws of physics or thermodynamics or anything...

If this trend keeps going for a million years, the temperature of the earth will be enough to melt steel!
STEEL!

/OMFGPANIC!


upload.wikimedia.org

Atmosphere is mostly carbon dioxide. Its relative proximity to the sun (0.7 AU) allowed the runaway greenhouse effect to start without an industrial revolution on its surface.

Average temperature 462° C.
 
2013-03-22 03:03:09 PM

RminusQ: Giltric: This is how it looks, unscaled on an alchohol thermometer.


[suyts.files.wordpress.com image 850x389]

"On an alchohol [sic] thermometer"? What the hell does that even mean? And why the hell would you use a bar graph?

And if you're going to try to drown out the actual changes that have occurred, why not go whole farking hog and use Kelvin? What the hell relevance does 0° F have to the discussion?



Do you have a chart in kelvin for the same period as the chart I posted?
 
2013-03-22 03:08:01 PM

kingoomieiii: Atmosphere is mostly carbon dioxide. Its relative proximity to the sun (0.7 AU) allowed the runaway greenhouse effect to start without an industrial revolution on its surface.

Average temperature 462° C.


monsterminions.files.wordpress.com

What the hell do you have against Venusians?
 
2013-03-22 03:08:03 PM
I think what a lot of people don't understand is that more CO2 in the atmosphere can be a good thing. CO2 is food for plants and the more of it there is in the atmosphere the faster we can grow crops, which we need more of to feed the increasing population of the world.
 
2013-03-22 03:17:04 PM

DesertDemonWY: TFA:  This is global temperature over the last 10,000 years projected into the immediate future using good scientific estimates:

[scienceblogs.com image 500x336]

Reality:
[models.weatherbell.com image 850x637]


One wonders why your "reality" chart starts in 2009.
 
2013-03-22 03:18:04 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: I think what a lot of people don't understand is that more CO2 in the atmosphere can be a good thing. CO2 is food for plants and the more of it there is in the atmosphere the faster we can grow crops, which we need more of to feed the increasing population of the world.


I'm sure you'll get some bites with that.
 
2013-03-22 03:18:46 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: I think what a lot of people don't understand is that more CO2 in the atmosphere can be a good thing. CO2 is food for plants and the more of it there is in the atmosphere the faster we can grow crops, which we need more of to feed the increasing population of the world.


No, they understand it quite well.
 
2013-03-22 03:19:21 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: nekom: I don't care what you call it, I don't trust computer models that complex.  As a computer professional myself, though admittedly not a climate expert, I feel there are FAR too many variables that we simply don't know to model something the size and complexity of the entire trophosphere.  Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting the Earth isn't warming, science seems pretty confident that it is, I'm just not sure we're anywhere near the point in data collection or algorithms to project something like that.

DENIER!

img826.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-22 03:19:30 PM

give me doughnuts: I'm sure you'll get some bites with that.


Couldn't resist. Too easy.
 
2013-03-22 03:19:47 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: I think what a lot of people don't understand is that more CO2 in the atmosphere can be a good thing. CO2 is food for plants and the more of it there is in the atmosphere the faster we can grow crops, which we need more of to feed the increasing population of the world.


This assumes that CO2 is always good for plant growth, and in a linear fashion. It's not.

www.smidgeindustriesltd.com

It's kind of like saying that if you feed a child more calories they'll become adults faster.
=Smidge=
 
2013-03-22 03:24:13 PM
Wow someone is trying too hard for a research grant...
 
2013-03-22 03:26:22 PM

FloydA: DesertDemonWY: TFA:  This is global temperature over the last 10,000 years projected into the immediate future using good scientific estimates:

[scienceblogs.com image 500x336]

Reality:
[models.weatherbell.com image 850x637]

[i105.photobucket.com image 500x378]


Wow. She's trolling Tom Wopat.
 
2013-03-22 03:27:48 PM

Smidge204: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: I think what a lot of people don't understand is that more CO2 in the atmosphere can be a good thing. CO2 is food for plants and the more of it there is in the atmosphere the faster we can grow crops, which we need more of to feed the increasing population of the world.

This assumes that CO2 is always good for plant growth, and in a linear fashion. It's not.

[www.smidgeindustriesltd.com image 585x470]

It's kind of like saying that if you feed a child more calories they'll become adults faster.
=Smidge=


To be fair if you did include more oxygen in their environment they'll get bigger. Just like ancient bugs were bigger during periods where Earth's had a larger percentage of O2.

http://theamericanscholar.org/when-bugs-were-bigger/

And everyone knows children and bugs are analogous. Just like Pirates and global warming!
 
2013-03-22 03:31:48 PM
monsterminions.files.wordpress.com

Imagine if you will...

A man submits his Ph.D thesis, and it's filled with all manner of data and graphs.
This is later published in the journal  Science,but the graphs have changed.  How is this possible?  Why was this done?
When talking with the press, which version is shown?
 
2013-03-22 03:37:18 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: I think what a lot of people don't understand is that more CO2 in the atmosphere can be a good thing. CO2 is food for plants and the more of it there is in the atmosphere the faster we can grow crops, which we need more of to feed the increasing population of the world.


Lack of sunlight or nutirents in the soil is the limiting factor for plant growth in nearly all cases.
 
2013-03-22 03:37:48 PM
Mr climate scientist, how big is global warming?
emptysuit.files.wordpress.com

thank you, climate scientist
 
2013-03-22 03:39:28 PM
I wonder if Mr Laden knows that his goldfish have died.
 
2013-03-22 03:39:51 PM
The whole idea that climate change is a hoax, a grand conspiracy by the world's scientists to gain research funding and media attention, is about the funniest thing I've ever heard. Anyone who's ever worked at a university (including and especially grad students) knows how much discord, back-biting and petty jealousies exist in every department. On the one hand, as Carl Sagan wrote, it's a testament to scientific method that any progress is made at all, but on the other it's physically and mentally impossible for university faculty to cooperate to keep a secret. The grand conspiracy theory is giving scientists way too much credit.

/especially now that they've also fooled the military
 
2013-03-22 03:41:35 PM
So what's the solution?
 
2013-03-22 03:44:58 PM

T-Servo: The whole idea that climate change is a hoax, a grand conspiracy by the world's scientists to gain research funding and media attention, is about the funniest thing I've ever heard. Anyone who's ever worked at a university (including and especially grad students) knows how much discord, back-biting and petty jealousies exist in every department. On the one hand, as Carl Sagan wrote, it's a testament to scientific method that any progress is made at all, but on the other it's physically and mentally impossible for university faculty to cooperate to keep a secret. The grand conspiracy theory is giving scientists way too much credit.

/especially now that they've also fooled the military


Thanks for that. Hopelessly naive, but probably the best you could do. Bless.
 
2013-03-22 03:59:35 PM

Albinoman: Even the hockey stick is bullshiat. Theres diminishing returns when you add CO2 to the atmosphere.


Guess what, climate modelers know this and it's already in the models.  If it weren't, they'd predict even more warming than they do.

And they're still extropolating beyond %100 CO2.:

Beyond 100% CO2?  What the hell are you talking about?
 
2013-03-22 03:59:58 PM

give me doughnuts: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: I think what a lot of people don't understand is that more CO2 in the atmosphere can be a good thing. CO2 is food for plants and the more of it there is in the atmosphere the faster we can grow crops, which we need more of to feed the increasing population of the world.

I'm sure you'll get some bites with that.


In all seriousness - it's pretty much word-for-word something I heard said in earnest on a local conservative Christian radio station, from a self-claimed "climate scientist" they had on. I figured if share the wisdom some of our fellow countrymen are being fed on their morning commute.
 
2013-03-22 04:03:05 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: give me doughnuts: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: I think what a lot of people don't understand is that more CO2 in the atmosphere can be a good thing. CO2 is food for plants and the more of it there is in the atmosphere the faster we can grow crops, which we need more of to feed the increasing population of the world.

I'm sure you'll get some bites with that.

In all seriousness - it's pretty much word-for-word something I heard said in earnest on a local conservative Christian radio station, from a self-claimed "climate scientist" they had on.


There've been propaganda videos to that effect for over 20 years ...
 
2013-03-22 04:03:22 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: give me doughnuts: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: I think what a lot of people don't understand is that more CO2 in the atmosphere can be a good thing. CO2 is food for plants and the more of it there is in the atmosphere the faster we can grow crops, which we need more of to feed the increasing population of the world.

I'm sure you'll get some bites with that.

In all seriousness - it's pretty much word-for-word something I heard said in earnest on a local conservative Christian radio station, from a self-claimed "climate scientist" they had on. I figured if share the wisdom some of our fellow countrymen are being fed on their morning commute.


A Christian said "don't jump under that bus!"

Well, that got rid of him.
 
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