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2013-03-22 12:03:14 PM
B-b-but Macs don't get viruses because they JUST WORK!

/iCultists are easy to infect due to a false sense of security
//most virus makers are merely uninterested in infecting only 2% of the market
 
2013-03-22 12:22:02 PM
It's a trojan, not a virus. I would have to install it and there is no way I should ever have to or would ever give my administrator password to watch a movie trailer.

Virii can infect your (PC) computer without any help from the user, they are self-propagating.
Trojans rely on the users stupidity to get installed and cannot propagate themselves
 
2013-03-22 12:32:07 PM

Saborlas: B-b-but Macs don't get viruses because they JUST WORK!


they don't get viruses.

this is a trojan. in order for it to work, you have to give it permission. if you're dumb enough to do that, then that's hardly the computer's fault.

FTA:  When the Trojan is launched, it shows a dialog window that asks the user if they want to install something called "Free Twit Tube." If the user selects "continue," that's when the Trojan downloads and installs Yontoo in the browser.
 
2013-03-22 12:58:51 PM
St. Jobs save us say the Apple cultists
 
2013-03-22 01:09:26 PM
Most of the malware on windows boxes are trojans as well.

Legitimate viri are few and far between.

// but there are plenty of stupid people who will happily install trojans and other spyware, regardless of the OS they use.
 
2013-03-22 01:09:51 PM
This won't affect a good number of Mac users, who refuse to watch any movie not made by art house filmmakers.
 
2013-03-22 01:19:14 PM
Fred Cohen, a Mac user, is not amused by you delusional folk who claim that a variety of computer virus is not a virus because you call it a Trojan or because it requires some user action to trigger it.
(This means you, Majick and Harry.)

/This Trojan, however, is not a virus.
 
2013-03-22 01:19:17 PM

Marine1: This won't affect a good number of Mac users, who refuse to watch any movie not made by art house filmmakers.


9/10
 
2013-03-22 01:21:05 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Fred Cohen, a Mac user, is not amused by you delusional folk who claim that a variety of computer virus is not a virus because you call it a Trojan or because it requires some user action to trigger it.
(This means you, Majick and Harry.)

/This Trojan, however, is not a virus.


Fark threw away the URL.   http://all.net/books/ virus/ part2.html
 
2013-03-22 01:29:17 PM

lordargent: Most of the malware on windows boxes are trojans as well.

Legitimate viri are few and far between.

// but there are plenty of stupid people who will happily install trojans and other spyware, regardless of the OS they use.


While your post is accurate and intelligent, the problem is that people that uses Apple products refuse to understand this.

And just about every machine I've cleaned in the last 10 years, I'd say that 99% of them were such a situation of someone happily installing a trojan thanks to the recommendation of a friend of a friend that really knows computers, or a site told them to so that they may gain wicked hacker powers or stuff like that (but never porn... of course).
 
2013-03-22 01:32:22 PM

FlashHarry: this is a trojan. in order for it to work, you have to give it permission. if you're dumb enough to do that, then that's hardly the computer's fault.


Funny how so many people with an emotional investment in either OS X or Linux don't seem to retain that attitude when they move to talking about a Windows machine infected through the same mechanism or some third party application the user was running under an administrator account...
 
2013-03-22 01:51:30 PM
Semantics people... trojans and viruses are the same thing. They ride in and alter processes.   Does it really behoove anyone to consider them separate entities?
 
2013-03-22 01:57:01 PM

T.rex: trojans and viruses are the same thing.


apart from the fact that viruses can propagate by themselves and trojans require user intervention, you mean.
 
2013-03-22 01:57:40 PM

skozlaw: Funny how so many people with an emotional investment in either OS X or Linux don't seem to retain that attitude when they move to talking about a Windows machine infected through the same mechanism or some third party application the user was running under an administrator account...


[citation needed]
 
2013-03-22 02:03:13 PM

T.rex: Semantics people... trojans and viruses are the same thing. They ride in and alter processes.   Does it really behoove anyone to consider them separate entities?


You would be correct, except you're not.

regardless; watch out what you download, and install an anti-virus program on your Mac.
 
2013-03-22 02:05:01 PM

FlashHarry: T.rex: trojans and viruses are the same thing.

apart from the fact that viruses can propagate by themselves and trojans require user intervention, you mean.


Wrong. A virus is a virus because it infects other programs when it is triggered. A user triggering it does not make it a non-virus.
 
2013-03-22 02:12:18 PM

FlashHarry: skozlaw: Funny how so many people with an emotional investment in either OS X or Linux don't seem to retain that attitude when they move to talking about a Windows machine infected through the same mechanism or some third party application the user was running under an administrator account...

[citation needed]


"A Mac isn't susceptible to the thousands of viruses plaguing Windows-based computers. That's thanks to built-in defenses in Mac OS X that keep you safe, without any work on your part".-- Apple.com until June of last year
 
2013-03-22 02:31:11 PM

skozlaw: FlashHarry: skozlaw: Funny how so many people with an emotional investment in either OS X or Linux don't seem to retain that attitude when they move to talking about a Windows machine infected through the same mechanism or some third party application the user was running under an administrator account...

[citation needed]

"A Mac isn't susceptible to the thousands of viruses plaguing Windows-based computers. That's thanks to built-in defenses in Mac OS X that keep you safe, without any work on your part".-- Apple.com until June of last year


that is a true statement. it specifies viruses. this is not a virus; this is a trojan. they are not the same thing.
 
2013-03-22 02:38:03 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: FlashHarry: T.rex: trojans and viruses are the same thing.

apart from the fact that viruses can propagate by themselves and trojans require user intervention, you mean.

Wrong. A virus is a virus because it infects other programs when it is triggered. A user triggering it does not make it a non-virus.


The infection's vector does matter. Pretending otherwise doesn't help, especially when the population has been (minimally) trained for nearly 30 years to know the difference and watch out for trojans.
 
2013-03-22 02:52:25 PM
Well, are the movie trailers any good?  LMK KTHX.
 
2013-03-22 02:53:00 PM

FlashHarry: T.rex: trojans and viruses are the same thing.

apart from the fact that viruses can propagate by themselves and trojans require user intervention, you mean.


Thats like saying, its the flu, if someone sneezes on you when you weren't looking... but its not the flu if you willingly walked into a room full of sick people.
 
2013-03-22 02:58:56 PM

feanorn: demaL-demaL-yeH: FlashHarry: T.rex: trojans and viruses are the same thing.

apart from the fact that viruses can propagate by themselves and trojans require user intervention, you mean.

Wrong. A virus is a virus because it infects other programs when it is triggered. A user triggering it does not make it a non-virus.

The infection's vector does matter. Pretending otherwise doesn't help, especially when the population has been (minimally) trained for nearly 30 years to know the difference and watch out for trojans.



"We define a computer 'virus' as a program that can 'infect' other programs by modifying them to include a possibly evolved copy of itself. With the infection property, a virus can spread throughout a computer system or network using the authorizations of every user using it to infect their programs. Every program that gets infected may also act as a virus and thus the infection grows."

A Computer Virus  Copyright(c), 1984, Fred Cohen

Fred even addressed Trojans and worms in the original 1984 paper. (Link's above. Fark doesn't seem to like it.)
 
2013-03-22 03:13:38 PM

FlashHarry: that is a true statement. it specifies viruses. this is not a virus; this is a trojan. they are not the same thing.


So true they removed it after a string of high-profile trojan outbreaks on OS X machines...
 
2013-03-22 05:18:32 PM
No OS is immune from user stupidity.
This Trojan should be a nonissue, unlike the 48000 pieces of malware for windows or the rapidly growing number for Android.
Educate people not to do stupid things-click links in email, download software from sketchy sites, run AV software, keep OS/programs up to date.
 
2013-03-22 05:20:56 PM

skozlaw: FlashHarry: skozlaw: Funny how so many people with an emotional investment in either OS X or Linux don't seem to retain that attitude when they move to talking about a Windows machine infected through the same mechanism or some third party application the user was running under an administrator account...

[citation needed]

"A Mac isn't susceptible to the thousands of viruses plaguing Windows-based computers. That's thanks to built-in defenses in Mac OS X that keep you safe, without any work on your part".-- Apple.com until June of last year


To funny, when really the truth behind it is really the following.

Hacker/Virus Creator: "I think I'll code a virus to infect a lot of machines. How can I infect a large number of people... hmmmm oh There are way more Windows machines than MAC... which one should I take my time coding it for?  If I code it for Windows I'll infect more people since there are more of them out there."

Honestly that is the primary reason, however Apple has started to gain ground since all the sheeple love their iphone and ipads.  However if there market share were to continue to grow to the point that it over took MS Windows, then the opposite would occur.  Apple would be the OS that would have all the virus, attacks, etc.. and windows would be "safe and secure" due to built in defenses. :)
 
2013-03-22 05:58:42 PM
Oh ye gods.

PC cultists: "OMFG Mac users are so stooped and look u got virus har har! They are moar monies and teh sux!"

Mac cultists: "I say, our computers NEVER get viruses, and it's worth it to spend top dollar on 6 month old hardware."

Reality: It's a farkING computer. It can get a virus. Linux, Windows, Mac, PC, all of them can get a virus or spyare or malware. Sheesh. And who cares what you use? You like it? It works for what you need it to do? Swell. Use it. Now shut up.

It's those vi people you have to watch out for.
 
2013-03-22 06:07:48 PM

Majick Thise: It's a trojan, not a virus. I would have to install it and there is no way I should ever have to or would ever give my administrator password to watch a movie trailer.

Virii can infect your (PC) computer without any help from the user, they are self-propagating.
Trojans rely on the users stupidity to get installed and cannot propagate themselves


I seriously doubt anyone here will learn this. It has been said at least 1,000,000 times that I am aware of, and you just cannot get that through the simpletons here.

oh yes and: welcometofark.jpg
 
2013-03-22 06:10:01 PM

unchellmatt: Oh ye gods.

PC cultists: "OMFG Mac users are so stooped and look u got virus har har! They are moar monies and teh sux!"

Mac cultists: "I say, our computers NEVER get viruses, and it's worth it to spend top dollar on 6 month old hardware."

Reality: It's a farkING computer. It can get a virus. Linux, Windows, Mac, PC, all of them can get a virus or spyare or malware. Sheesh. And who cares what you use? You like it? It works for what you need it to do? Swell. Use it. Now shut up.

It's those vi people you have to watch out for.


The shifty-eyed emacs folk aren't to be trusted, either.
 
2013-03-22 06:23:44 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Majick Thise: It's a trojan, not a virus. I would have to install it and there is no way I should ever have to or would ever give my administrator password to watch a movie trailer.

Virii can infect your (PC) computer without any help from the user, they are self-propagating.
Trojans rely on the users stupidity to get installed and cannot propagate themselves

I seriously doubt anyone here will learn this. It has been said at least 1,000,000 times that I am aware of, and you just cannot get that through the simpletons here.

oh yes and: welcometofark.jpg


I know... {heavy sigh}
 
2013-03-22 06:53:35 PM

isheltoe: Hacker/Virus Creator: "I think I'll code a virus to infect a lot of machines. How can I infect a large number of people... hmmmm oh There are way more Windows machines than MAC... which one should I take my time coding it for? If I code it for Windows I'll infect more people since there are more of them out there."


I have no problem believing that OS X is a fairly inherently secure system (particularly compared to Windows systems pre-7) because at its core it's mostly just a solid BSD distribution.

I just think it's silly that so many Apple and Linux people want to run around screeching about how "insecure" Windows is because there are so many infections, mostly caused by 3rd party crapware like Java or Flash, but then when a third party application on OS X or Linux causes an infection they're all up in arms about how it's not the system's fault that Adobe makes crap or the user was running

They can't have it both ways. Windows and OS X both get infected through the same basic mechanisms these days. Either they're both insecure or they're both at the mercy of dumb users and shiatty third party vendors.
 
2013-03-22 08:25:22 PM
T.rex: Semantics people... trojans and viruses are the same thing. They ride in and alter processes. Does it really behoove anyone to consider them separate entities?

Trojan vs Virus is all about the delivery system, it's describes the method it uses to get into the system.

The payload is how it damages the system.

The payload for a trojan vs a virus might be the same. But putting trojans and viri into the same category is like lumping torpedoes in with cruise missiles, they both contain explosives, but there is a huge difference on how they get their explosives to the target.
 
2013-03-22 09:35:38 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: The shifty-eyed emacs folk aren't to be trusted, either.


HERETIC!!!

/pico
 
2013-03-22 09:50:20 PM

unchellmatt: demaL-demaL-yeH: The shifty-eyed emacs folk aren't to be trusted, either.

HERETIC!!!

/pico


Ya, that'll work on OS X UNIX.
 
2013-03-22 10:21:38 PM
isheltoe:Apple would be the OS that would have all the virus, attacks, etc.. and windows would be "safe and secure" due to built in defenses. :)

Something something permissions something something different security model something something UNIX heritage.

The long and short being.  LOL Nope.

Besides which as with modern flavours of Windows it's very rarely the OS itself that is vulnerable but a 3rd party utility.  Like Flash or Indeed Java.
 
2013-03-23 07:59:35 AM
i.imgur.com
Because paying too much for inferior equipment with a restrictive OS is the derpiest way to derp.
 
2013-03-23 08:28:57 AM
Doesn't surprise me at all. Virus makers usually target the stupid and easily-influenced. Mac users are the perfect marks.
 
2013-03-23 02:13:50 PM
As someone who just spent the week cleaning Yontoo and other crap off of someone's laptop, let me tell you that the effective difference between virus and trojan is just whether or not Avira/Avast/NOD32/etc. or Spybot has to be used to get rid of the damn thing.
 
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