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(Washington Post)   "Now we can cut the pie. Obama wants government to keep it all. The GOP wants to give it all back to reduce tax rates. Let's be Solomonic. Divide the revenue in half, 50% to the Treasury for reducing debt, 50% to the citizenry for reducing rates"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 193
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2013-03-22 11:39:35 AM
I don't understand why such stupidity gets national press. I really don't.
 
2013-03-22 11:49:09 AM
You had me at "Pie".
 
2013-03-22 11:56:12 AM
"obama wants the government to keep it all."

bullshiat.
 
2013-03-22 12:00:25 PM
If I recall my Solomonic fables, the GOP would be the one's who rolled over on their baby and killed it. "Obama" would be the one who will say, "Don't cut it in half!" right at the last second.
 
2013-03-22 12:00:59 PM
And leave 0% for actual operation?

What the hell kind of dumbassery is this?
 
2013-03-22 12:02:45 PM
By Charles Krauthammer

LOL NO.
 
2013-03-22 12:04:40 PM
Double fail:  Solomon never actually cut the infant in half.  And I don't trust this government "to make the best deal since the Louisiana Purchase."

I'm as good a liberal as any other Cantabrigian, but at least get the mythology right.
 
2013-03-22 12:04:57 PM
Because we're totes not suffering due to insanely low tax rates already.
 
2013-03-22 12:10:05 PM
The only thing truly bankrupt is the intellect of Charles Krauthammer.
 
2013-03-22 12:17:48 PM
Let's compromise: you'll give me everything I want, and I'll wait at least a week before asking for anything else.
 
2013-03-22 12:27:27 PM
For once I almost kind of accept the premise of Krauthammer's argument. Republicans don't want to do much of anything on taxes ("closing loopholes" while being revenue neutral is just shifting around the tax burden, most of the time more regressively), and Democrats want to raise revenues by changing tax loopholes and rates (you know, actually doing what taxes are supposed to do, raise money for the government). So to compromise we should close loopholes that both sides can agree with (as if they actually exist), use some of the money to fund government (like Democrats want), but not all of it (like Republicans want).

This is actually a compromise, which is where I kind of accept his premise. It's not a particularly good compromise, and his statement of "you already got your tax hike in January" is complete crap (sunset provisions anyone?). But the basic notion of "compromise" is actually there, which is fairly new.
 
2013-03-22 12:49:18 PM
Does he forget the part where the government doesn't "keep it all," but instead spends it on keeping people employed in both the public and private sectors?
 
2013-03-22 12:49:47 PM
Started to read that, saw the byline and said "Forget it."
 
2013-03-22 12:50:23 PM
I love the "Obama could do this if he wanted."  Yes, Obama controls tax rates and spending...oh wait, that's NOT what the President does?  It's CONGRESS that has to do that?  You don't say!
 
2013-03-22 12:51:06 PM
Ooh analogies! Can I play Charles?
Democrats see the pool as half empty, Republicans see the pool as half full.
 
2013-03-22 12:51:47 PM
I saw projections to what motivations Scary Imagined Ooga Booga Obama wants, and I knew this had to be the work of a GOP Propagandist without clicking the link.  Was I right?
 
2013-03-22 12:52:10 PM

Saborlas: Because we're totes not suffering due to insanely low tax rates already.


Who is suffering from this?
 
2013-03-22 12:52:47 PM
Just noticed that this oaf Scheisshammer resembles Phil Spector. Too bad they aren't sharing a cell.
 
2013-03-22 12:52:48 PM
Half of a baby is all dead.
 
2013-03-22 12:52:52 PM

Cletus C.: Saborlas: Because we're totes not suffering due to insanely low tax rates already.

Who is suffering from this?


The budget.
 
2013-03-22 12:53:28 PM

InmanRoshi: I saw projections to what motivations Scary Imagined Ooga Booga Obama wants, and I knew this had to be the work of a GOP Propagandist without clicking the link.  Was I right?


Car_Ramrod: By Charles Krauthammer

LOL NO.


Answer your question?
 
2013-03-22 12:54:02 PM
*reads headline*  This sounds stupid.

*reads by-line* Well, that explains that.
 
2013-03-22 12:54:31 PM

rtaylor92: Ooh analogies! Can I play Charles?
Democrats see the pool as half empty, Republicans see the pool as half full.


Libs eat cheeseburgers like this:
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Real Americans eat cheeseburgers like this!
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2013-03-22 12:54:35 PM
Let's be Solomonic moronic....
 
2013-03-22 12:54:42 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Saborlas: Because we're totes not suffering due to insanely low tax rates already.

Who is suffering from this?

The budget.


What budget?
 
2013-03-22 12:55:40 PM
By Charles Krauthammer

*CLOSES LINK*
 
2013-03-22 12:56:37 PM
IN BEFORE derp!!!

dammit.


/slinks from thread
 
2013-03-22 12:57:02 PM

Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Saborlas: Because we're totes not suffering due to insanely low tax rates already.

Who is suffering from this?

The budget.

What budget?


Cut the shiat and make your objection, everyone knows what you're trying to say. This fake Socratic BS is annoying.

/what objection?
 
2013-03-22 12:57:03 PM
I could work with this 50/50.  50% to the deficit debt.  50% to people (jobs, education, infrastructure, R&D)

With only one rider, the people benefited the most from the wars can pay for the $6T tab first.
 
2013-03-22 12:57:03 PM

hillbillypharmacist: And leave 0% for actual operation?

What the hell kind of dumbassery is this?


It's the kind of math they do as Republicans to make themselves feel better.
 
2013-03-22 12:58:08 PM
Is he asking us to raise tax rates to 50%? Or cut them in half?
 
2013-03-22 12:58:10 PM
Make the pie higher!
 
2013-03-22 12:59:36 PM

DamnYankees: I don't understand why such stupidity gets national press. I really don't.


Because the idiots own most of the media outlets.
 
2013-03-22 12:59:47 PM
The new revenue went directly back to the citizenry in the form of lower tax rates.
This is called revenue-neutrality.
...
As a final bonus, tax reform's lower rates spur economic growth.


We're gonna take more in taxes by doing X, but take less by doing Y.  X-Y=0. *magic happens* Economic growth!

It's foolproof.
 
2013-03-22 01:00:44 PM
How about we bake a bigger pie?
 
2013-03-22 01:01:33 PM

Lost Thought 00: Is he asking us to raise tax rates to 50%? Or cut them in half?


he is asking for a massive reduction in tax breaks and loopholes.  With the extra revenue gained from this, we use 50% for spending/Deficit reduction and 50% for a lowering of the actual tax rates.  Overall, there would be a net increase in taxes.

Doesn't seem to be an aweful idea to me.
 
2013-03-22 01:02:01 PM

theknuckler_33: The new revenue went directly back to the citizenry in the form of lower tax rates.
This is called revenue-neutrality.
...
As a final bonus, tax reform's lower rates spur economic growth.

We're gonna take more in taxes by doing X, but take less by doing Y.  X-Y=0. *magic happens* Economic growth!

It's foolproof.


Apparently throughout that whole process, we're supposed to trust the government (which is half composed of dumbass wealth-fellating Republicans) to eliminate deductions and tax breaks that only benefit the wealthy.

Is anyone alive stupid enough to believe something like that would happen?
 
2013-03-22 01:03:28 PM

LasersHurt: Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Saborlas: Because we're totes not suffering due to insanely low tax rates already.

Who is suffering from this?

The budget.

What budget?

Cut the shiat and make your objection, everyone knows what you're trying to say. This fake Socratic BS is annoying.

/what objection?


OK. The original statement implying that "we're" suffering because of insanely low tax rates leaves me wondering exactly who is suffering. I'm not suffering. Are you suffering? The rich certainly aren't suffering.

"The budget" is a rather vague answer, especially considering there currently is no budget. Perhaps a budget envisioned by somebody.
 
2013-03-22 01:04:20 PM

Wooly Bully: Just noticed that this oaf Scheisshammer resembles Phil Spector. Too bad they aren't sharing a cell.


"Come on, Charlie.  Come and kiss the gun."

The sound of wheels burning rubber can be heard as the wheelchair's occupant tries to leave the prison cell......
 
2013-03-22 01:04:44 PM

astro716: Does he forget the part where the government doesn't "keep it all," but instead spends it on keeping people employed in both the public and private sectors?


That was not his point.  His point was that 1/2 of the increase in revenue could be used for these types of items (or conversly deficit reduction) and the other half would be directly returned to the taxpayers via lowere tax rates.
 
2013-03-22 01:05:04 PM

Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Saborlas: Because we're totes not suffering due to insanely low tax rates already.

Who is suffering from this?

The budget.

What budget?


The budget with the power.
 
2013-03-22 01:05:45 PM
Maybe the citizenry should actually pay for the government they receive? All those hawt missles and totally sexy stealth airplanes didn't just buy themselves.
 
2013-03-22 01:05:53 PM
I could live with that compromise.
 
2013-03-22 01:06:41 PM

HeadLever: Lost Thought 00: Is he asking us to raise tax rates to 50%? Or cut them in half?

he is asking for a massive reduction in tax breaks and loopholes.  With the extra revenue gained from this, we use 50% for spending/Deficit reduction and 50% for a lowering of the actual tax rates.  Overall, there would be a net increase in taxes.

Doesn't seem to be an aweful idea to me.


I'm in favor of closing the Capital Gains loophole
 
2013-03-22 01:06:50 PM

un4gvn666: Apparently throughout that whole process, we're supposed to trust the government (which is half composed of dumbass wealth-fellating Republicans) to eliminate deductions and tax breaks that only benefit the wealthy


Or you could have read the actaul article and seen that he does this by implementing Martin Feldstien's plan
 
2013-03-22 01:06:58 PM

theorellior: Maybe the citizenry should actually pay for the government they receive? All those hawt missles and totally sexy stealth airplanes didn't just buy themselves.


SOCIALIST!!!
 
2013-03-22 01:06:59 PM

theorellior: Maybe the citizenry should actually pay for the government they receive? All those hawt missles and totally sexy stealth airplanes didn't just buy themselves.


Well maybe those planes and missiles should get jobs already and quit suckling off the government teat.
 
2013-03-22 01:07:49 PM

Lost Thought 00: I'm in favor of closing the Capital Gains loophole


Martin Feldstien's plan does this, I belive.
 
2013-03-22 01:08:09 PM

theorellior: Maybe the citizenry should actually pay for the government they receive? All those hawt missles and totally sexy stealth airplanes didn't just buy themselves.


So I should stop paying my taxes?
 
2013-03-22 01:08:22 PM

HeadLever: Lost Thought 00: I'm in favor of closing the Capital Gains loophole

Martin Feldstien's plan does this, I belive.


Do you have a link to the plan? I can't say I've heard of it prior to this thread.
 
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