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(NYPost)   NY state lawmakers rush a gun-control law through that prohibits the sale of magazines that can hold more than seven bullets without checking to see if anybody makes seven-bullet magazines   ( nypost.com) divider line
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2013-03-22 12:06:47 PM  
8 votes:
Subby and the Post are apparently unfamiliar with the mathematical concept of "greater than"
2013-03-22 01:50:19 PM  
3 votes:
It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?
2013-03-22 05:00:48 PM  
2 votes:

BayouOtter: mrshowrules: Frank N Stein: mrshowrules: There are pro-choicers on both sides of the aisle also. Generally speaking, pro-choicers generally have other ideas to help. Gun nuts (in general and on both sides of the aisle) don't bring anything useful to the table.

Can you elaborate on this?

I have upthread.   I was responding to someone else's comment.  Two unrelated issues.  Gun violence and abortion.

In summary, gun nuts don't want increased gun control but offer no other solutions.

On the other hand, gun-control advocates aren't proposing anything except the AWB, which doesn't control crime at all, so.......?


Anti-gun advocate: We need an assault weapons ban!
Pro-gun advocate: We tried that.  It didn't do anything.
AGA: Oh my God!  Why are you being obstructionist?  Don't you care that people are dying?  Why don't you offer some solutions?  THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
PGA: How about we improve mental health care and actually prosecute people who lie on their 4473s?
AGA: I can't hear you over the sound of my outrage.
2013-03-22 03:05:15 PM  
2 votes:

mrshowrules: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

Pro-choice groups consistently are the only group advocating policies to reduce abortions (single payer, sex ed, birth control access).

Countries with more liberal policies have few abortions.

In the case of guns, the NRA and gun enthusiasts on the other hand have offered absolutely nothing to reduce gun violence in society.


Yeah, because gun-related policies correct systemic racism, generational poverty, the drug war, broken mental/physical health care systems, and income inequality. Granted, those things would effect all violence, but if you think being shot to death sends you to Super-Hell as opposed to the regular hell of a knifing, then you might have a point.
2013-03-22 02:51:37 PM  
2 votes:

CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

I was under the impression that the NRA's job was to go batshiat insane and alienate 90% of the country. Was that incorrect?

I think they are referring to the Republicans, who are going batshiat insane too because they are in the NRA's pocket.

It is up to a civil rights group, of which the NRA is the oldest in the country, to fight to expand civil rights, not compromise and help further restrict them.

Why aren't the democrats compromising on tax cuts for the wealthy?

lol the NRA is a civil rights group.

It is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.

If you really believed that you would have shut your mouth on December 14 and kept it shut.

Over an outlier?

What an outlier looks like to Giltric

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I take it you don't really ascribe to that quote then


CpennyPacker, literally standing on the corpses of children to advance his goal of civilian disarmament.
2013-03-22 01:27:36 PM  
2 votes:
So long as self-defense is a purpose protected by the Second Amendment, you can't meaningfully ban people from having guns in a situation that can kill people. Because killing people is considered an acceptable and protected use for guns. You can make "reasonable restrictions," but almost anything that makes it hard to use a gun to murder someone also makes it hard to use a gun to commit justifiable homicide on someone. You can't really distinguish between the two in any technical (i.e. engineering-based and not legal) way. There are basically no magic murder guns that only commit murder but don't work for self-defense. At least none that aren't already heavily regulated (machine guns, explosives, etc.).
2013-03-22 12:54:17 PM  
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Frank N Stein: demaL-demaL-yeH: Garands are exempt.

I find it hilarious that morons think "high powered military style semi-automatic rifles" like the AR-15 should be banned, but are fine with M1 Garands, even though the M1 is an actual military semi-automatic (not hurr duurr "in the style of") that chambers a significantly more powerful cartridge (30-06)

An M-1 also can't hold a 30 or 100 round magazine.


world.guns.ru

You wanna try that again?
2013-03-22 12:48:36 PM  
2 votes:

demaL-demaL-yeH: Garands are exempt.


I find it hilarious that morons think "high powered military style semi-automatic rifles" like the AR-15 should be banned, but are fine with M1 Garands, even though the M1 is an actual military semi-automatic (not hurr duurr "in the style of") that chambers a significantly more powerful cartridge (30-06)
2013-03-22 12:41:32 PM  
2 votes:

funmonger: Adopt Canadian gun laws already. Sheesh.


Do you mean that the United States of America should implement a national long gun registry that runs substantially over budget, suffers from extremely low compliance and that is ultimately repealed due to a failure to show any resulting benefit?
2013-03-22 12:36:29 PM  
2 votes:

shamanwest: Maybe instead of biatching about the laws that get passed the gun lobby and their mouth pieces can sit down to discuss real effective compromises for legislation. When you stick your fingers in your ears and say "la la la" this is what happens.


Just like the Patriot Act is the fault of peaceniks who just complained instead of sitting down to help the government expand its surveillance activities.
2013-03-22 12:30:22 PM  
2 votes:

Car_Ramrod: Dimensio: Would loading seven rounds into a magazine, loading the magazine into a firearm, loading one of the cartridges into the firearm chamber, removing the firearm, adding an additional cartridge to the magazine (bringing its total back to seven) and reloading the magazine into the firearm (thus enabling a total of eight rounds to be fired before reloading) be prohibited under the statute?

If that's accepted, I imagine some lazy person going "screw it, I'm just putting 8 in at once, no one will know" and all of a sudden a cop tackles him out of nowhere, yelling "Can't you count?!"


I could imagine law enforcement attempting to argue that having seven rounds in a magazine and one round in a firearm chamber is impossible without loading eight rounds into the magazine initiall. I could also imagine a jury of individuals ignorant of firearms technology accepting that lie without question.
2013-03-22 12:21:27 PM  
2 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: "Rushed" meaning the gun lobby failed to halt it.


No he pretty much wiped his *** w/ the democratic process in NY and forced a bill through w/o any debate screaming think of the children!!!!!
2013-03-22 12:07:47 PM  
2 votes:
Imagine that: politicians trying to legislate stuff about which they are wholly ignorant. Color me shocked.
2013-03-22 11:57:55 AM  
2 votes:
Woohoo!!! M1911s for everybody!!!!!
2013-03-23 12:20:13 PM  
1 vote:

cameroncrazy1984: Oh, I had lots of fun. It's always a good time putting gun nuts in their place. Your worst enemy is a guy like me: Someone who actually knows about guns.


You are wrong again, >30 carbine and 30-06 are both >30 caliber.

When I am reloading either, I use the same bullet for either,dumbass
2013-03-23 10:21:43 AM  
1 vote:

cameroncrazy1984: hardinparamedic: making a purposely vague post

The post isn't vague if you read the entire conversation. You'll notice that the Garand is mentioned in several other posts that were replied to. Again, not my fault you can't read.

Rivetman1.0: cameroncrazy1984: They're not even the same caliber.

This just in cameroncrazy1984 has no farking clue what the the 30 in 30-06 represents

I'm Ric Romero

Okay, go ahead and try to use a .30-06 in an M-1 Carbine and see how well that works out for you.

Jesus Christ no wonder nobody gives a sh*t about you gun nuts. You don't even understand your own f*cking weapons.


They're both .30 caliber. That doesn't mean that the bullets are interchangeable, of course, any more than a 7.62x54R Nagant round can be used in a standard AK-47, which takes 7.62x39. Same caliber, different cartridge.
2013-03-22 05:52:17 PM  
1 vote:

Epoch_Zero: Good. Any legislation that can actually be passed is a start. This is getting out of control.

Btw: 2883 gun deaths in the US since Newtown.


How many dead from obesity related problems? Forced exercise for all.
2013-03-22 03:39:26 PM  
1 vote:

mrshowrules: BayouOtter: Princess Ryans Knickers: DrRatchet: only impact law-abiding gun owners

like that Sandy Hook shooter. A law abiding, NRA, good Christian

The guy that murdered his mother, stole her property, and broke a score of laws before he killed some kids? The guy that tried, and failed to lawfully acquire weapons? The one that, if investigated after failing his background check might have been stopped? That guy?

Technically didn't he inherit that rifle upon her death?


Not a probate attorney, but I am relatively sure that.....oh, thanks, Wikipedia.

The slayer rule, in the common law of inheritance, is a doctrine that prohibits inheritance by a person who murders someone from whom he or she stands to inherit (e.g., a murderer does not inherit from parents he or she killed). In calculating inheritance of the decedent's estate, the effect of the slayer rule was that the slayer would be treated as though he or she had predeceased the person who had been murdered, therefore his or her share of the estate would pass to his or her issue.  While convicting someone of the crime of murder requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the slayer rule applies to civil law, not criminal law, so it is only necessary to prove the wrongful killing by a preponderance of the evidence, as in a wrongful death claim. This means that even a slayer who is acquitted of the murder in criminal court can still be divested of the inheritance by the civil court administering the estate.
2013-03-22 03:25:48 PM  
1 vote:

mrshowrules: BayouOtter: mrshowrules: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

Pro-choice groups consistently are the only group advocating policies to reduce abortions (single payer, sex ed, birth control access).

Countries with more liberal policies have few abortions.

In the case of guns, the NRA and gun enthusiasts on the other hand have offered absolutely nothing to reduce gun violence in society.

Yeah, because gun-related policies correct systemic racism, generational poverty, the drug war, broken mental/physical health care systems, and income inequality. Granted, those things would effect all violence, but if you think being shot to death sends you to Super-Hell as opposed to the regular hell of a knifing, then you might have a point.

You completely missed the point of the exchange.  What has the GOP done to reduce   racism, generational poverty, the drug war, broken mental/physical health care systems?

At least pro-choicers promote other solutions to reduce abortion.


You're confusing republicans with pro-gun advocates. There's pro gun people on both sides of the aisle. This is partially why the awb was doa.
2013-03-22 02:21:05 PM  
1 vote:

CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

I was under the impression that the NRA's job was to go batshiat insane and alienate 90% of the country. Was that incorrect?

I think they are referring to the Republicans, who are going batshiat insane too because they are in the NRA's pocket.

It is up to a civil rights group, of which the NRA is the oldest in the country, to fight to expand civil rights, not compromise and help further restrict them.

Why aren't the democrats compromising on tax cuts for the wealthy?

lol the NRA is a civil rights group.


It is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.
2013-03-22 01:40:58 PM  
1 vote:
demaL-demaL-yeH:
You don't support measures that could make these incidents less lethal because you want an ultimate solution to the problem of drunk driving, er, shooting rampages.

Lack of a gun doesn't make a nutball killer any less lethal. Some examples:
These three methods are the most effective ways a lone nut can kill lots of people, all at once. You can rack up the triple digits pretty easily this way. For example:
The Our Lady of the Angels School fire, which killed 95. The suspected arsonist was never tried.
Or maybe the the work of Jin Ruchao, who killed 108 people in Shijiazhuan with his ill-synced bomb attack? (4 bombs that went off at once)
Or Zhang Pilin, who killed 112 by downing China Northern Airlines Flight 6136 all by himself? (Passenger, not a pilot)
Or good old American Robert Dale Segee, who killed over 200 in a fire in Hartford? The circus grounds were so burnt the authorities still aren't sure how many he murdered.
We could talk about Kim Dae-han, a 56 year old half-paralyzed man that killed 198 Koreans in the Daegu subway fire? He didn't need a gun.
Gameel Al-Batouti went a little crazy and killed 217 when he crashed EgyptAir Flight 990 into the ocean. Not a gun in sight - though he was the pilot.
Adilson Marcelino Alves killed over 300 in, you guessed it - another act of circus related arson. What is it about circuses and fire?
William Unek managed to whack 21 folks to death with an axe in an orgy of violence, which goes to show a dedicated killer will succeed even without machinery.
(I'd have included McVeigh, but he had accomplices)
2013-03-22 01:00:52 PM  
1 vote:

SploogeTime: Guns are NOT the problem. People are the problem. They always have been, they always will be.


No in and of themselves guns are not the problem. The fact that it changes the situation from a few killed in minutes from beating, strangling, running someone over or stabbing to someone being able to take out dozens potentially in the same time frame. I have yet to hear from any NRA types why a clip that holds more than 14 rounds is necessary.I live in a rough neighborhood in a real shiathole of a dump (see Tyler,TX) and the only protection I have ever needed was a simple .38 revolver. I have yet to hear a valid explanation as to why some individuals need a clip that holds eleventy-billion rounds or why there are background checks on hand guns but any jerk can wander in the sporting goods at Walmart and by a shotgun and rounds with no kind of identification other than age verification. I could go on but you've all heard them, this is my point a lot of gun owners want the privileges afforded by the second amendment but refuse to accept any sort of responsibility along with the right to bear arms. Instead they shoot of their mouths about freedom and commies and make me, a responsible gun owner look like a whining deranged self-entitled sack of shiat just like them. The moronic reactionary children at the NRA and their sycophantic followers make every gun owner look like a nutcase and for the record these Neanderthals don't speak for me at least. No clips over 16, background checks for all firearms, no conversion kits, documentation for every last private sale either by individual owners or at gun shows accompanied by a background check no exceptions, stockpiling of weapons (I define this as more than two dozen) is illegal unless you are a professional dealer, gun permit is mandatory to get any weapon even rifles and shotguns, and finally mandatory test for mental illness before issuance of a fire arms permit. I would have no problem buying a gun or having mine confiscated, anyone who can't pass the muster I set out in my opinion is either an illegal or irresponsible gun owner and should not be allowed to posses a fire arm.

Sorry but I get tarred as a gun nut by many of my friends just by association so this is a bit of a sore spot for me. But then again I don't get off on pretending I'm G.I. Joe like most other gun owners or at least the ones I know.
2013-03-22 12:56:02 PM  
1 vote:

cameroncrazy1984: HK-MP5-SD: The law effectively bans the sales of the vast majority of semiautomatic weapons in New York state.

No it doesn't, because you can get and have 10 round magazines as long as you only keep 7 rounds in them.

A fact that gun nuts conveniently ignore because they want to promote this bullsh*t.


The law, as authored, prohibits the transfer of any magazine capable of holding more than seven rounds. Ten round magazines may be possessed only if they were in the possession of the owner prior to the effective date of the law, and they may not be transfered to any other citizen within the state.

Did you not actually read the text of the law?
2013-03-22 12:36:03 PM  
1 vote:

Epoch_Zero: Good. Any legislation that can actually be passed is a start. This is getting out of control.

Btw: 2883 gun deaths in the US since Newtown.


I wonder how they might break it down... Hey check this out:

In the United States, annual firearm homicides total
2011: 11,101

In the United States, annual firearm suicides total
2011: 19,766

When I see these pictures posted on Facebook and such, like that one Yoko Ono posted about 1 million+ people dead cause of guns, I don't think it's fair at all that they add in the suicide ones.

Those people want to kill themselves regardless, that's not someone going out and killing someone else per say (not that the whole murder/suicide shiat doesn't happen)...
2013-03-22 12:31:50 PM  
1 vote:

demaL-demaL-yeH: hardinparamedic: Woohoo!!! M1911s for everybody!!!!!

M1911: For those rare times when you don't have a shotgun.

/Just this once, I'll admit that it's difficult to find a good holster for a 12GA.


And where am I gonna find a plug to limit the magazine for a Lee-Enfield?
2013-03-22 12:30:26 PM  
1 vote:

Gosling: DrRatchet: (at least until someone is arsed to design new mags for that massive NY market)

Someone will be arsed. Someone has probably already been arsed. Someone is probably making a design for people to make on those 3D printers so they can then go 'THIS LAW WON'T STOP ANYTHING JUST LOOK AT ALL THE GUNS I CAN MAKE WITH SPIT AND DUCT TAPE'.

Honestly, someone invents a 3D printer and the first thing society thinks to make with it is guns? This is why we can't have nice things.


guns were the second thing.

Dildos were the first.
2013-03-22 12:29:29 PM  
1 vote:

Prank Monkey: I can't wait for all the deals on the fun stuff leaving New York.


you assume it's leaving.
2013-03-22 12:25:52 PM  
1 vote:

demaL-demaL-yeH: M1911: For those rare times when you don't have a shotgun.


Don't laugh, y'all. Here in Kalifornia, when the congress-critters passed a ten-round magazine limit, sales of '45's and other big-bore pistols rose, along with the super-small (and easy to conceal) pocket pistols. Full-size 9mm's aren't selling like they used to. 380's are so unpopular that even the preppers leave the ammo on store shelves.

SO, yah, mag restrictions == BIGGER BULLETS.
2013-03-22 12:20:10 PM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: "Rushed" meaning the gun lobby failed to halt it.


Sure buddy.
2013-03-22 12:18:19 PM  
1 vote:
Adopt Canadian gun laws already. Sheesh.
2013-03-22 12:16:23 PM  
1 vote:
"Rushed" meaning the gun lobby failed to halt it.
2013-03-22 12:12:20 PM  
1 vote:
Right, because if they had spec'd greater than 8, 7 round magazines wouldn't be on shelves next month. Nice try at the savage burn, subby and Post-tards, but no banana. Plenty to be mad about, don't make your position look stupid by regressing to jr. high "logic" traps.
2013-03-22 12:11:16 PM  
1 vote:

CPennypacker: Subby and the Post are apparently unfamiliar with the mathematical concept of "greater than"


That's really all there is to say about this.
 
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