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(NYPost)   NY state lawmakers rush a gun-control law through that prohibits the sale of magazines that can hold more than seven bullets without checking to see if anybody makes seven-bullet magazines   (nypost.com) divider line 219
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2013-03-23 02:38:39 AM
How I imagine a conversation with  hardinparamedic goes:

Person A: A Ford truck is somewhat like a Chevy truck
Person B: Yeah, but a Ford can't haul 8 people.
hardinparamedic:Ha! You're wrong! Ford makes a car that can haul 8 people! You're a dumbass!
Person A and B: Are you functionally retarded? We're talking about trucks, you bleeding moron
hardinparamedic:Nuh uh, you were too vague!
 
2013-03-23 02:50:09 AM

cameroncrazy1984: How I imagine a conversation with  hardinparamedic goes:

Person A: A Ford truck is somewhat like a Chevy truck
Person B: Yeah, but a Ford can't haul 8 people.
hardinparamedic:Ha! You're wrong! Ford makes a car that can haul 8 people! You're a dumbass!
Person A and B: Are you functionally retarded? We're talking about trucks, you bleeding moron
hardinparamedic:Nuh uh, you were too vague!


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We had fun here today.
 
2013-03-23 02:58:09 AM

self_medicated: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Was it Blazing Saddles where one of the characters said something like "Seven shots?!  What do you think this is a western?!"  Or was it something else?

I think you're thinking of Silver Streak.  Richard Pryor talking to Gene Wilder.


Got that, thanx! :-)
 
2013-03-23 07:15:08 AM
I bought a pistol today.  Fark New York.  Cumo is just guaranteeing he will NEVER win a national election
 
2013-03-23 08:09:16 AM

SCUBA_Archer: Epoch_Zero: Good. Any legislation that can actually be passed is a start. This is getting out of control.

Btw: 2883 gun deaths in the US since Newtown.

How many lives would've been saved by a <7 round magazine law?




None that can be proven, and that's part of the problem with gun control.

We've got this circular logic that says we need to pass a law because we need to pass a law, but no one looks back to see if these efforts are paying off.
Time on the floor that could be used to debate real solutions (mental health, crime fighting, drug war, etc...) gets burned off debating whether the magic number to save a life is 15, 10, 7 or 1.

In the end people don't remember the person who wasn't killed. They remember that the crime still happened.
Fear of being left helpless among criminals is what drives gun sales. Making it even harder to pass any law with teeth.
 
2013-03-23 08:45:57 AM

Bigdogdaddy: I bought a pistol today.  Fark New York.  Cumo is just guaranteeing he will NEVER win a national election


Yes, because the problem with Mitt Romney was that he signed an AWB in New York State.

hardinparamedic: cameroncrazy1984: How I imagine a conversation with  hardinparamedic goes:

Person A: A Ford truck is somewhat like a Chevy truck
Person B: Yeah, but a Ford can't haul 8 people.
hardinparamedic:Ha! You're wrong! Ford makes a car that can haul 8 people! You're a dumbass!
Person A and B: Are you functionally retarded? We're talking about trucks, you bleeding moron
hardinparamedic:Nuh uh, you were too vague!

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We had fun here today.


Oh, I had lots of fun. It's always a good time putting gun nuts in their place. Your worst enemy is a guy like me: Someone who actually knows about guns.
 
2013-03-23 08:46:34 AM
And by "New York State" I obviously meant Massachusetts.
 
2013-03-23 09:54:46 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Oh, I had lots of fun. It's always a good time putting gun nuts in their place


Do you have citations?
 
2013-03-23 10:21:43 AM

cameroncrazy1984: hardinparamedic: making a purposely vague post

The post isn't vague if you read the entire conversation. You'll notice that the Garand is mentioned in several other posts that were replied to. Again, not my fault you can't read.

Rivetman1.0: cameroncrazy1984: They're not even the same caliber.

This just in cameroncrazy1984 has no farking clue what the the 30 in 30-06 represents

I'm Ric Romero

Okay, go ahead and try to use a .30-06 in an M-1 Carbine and see how well that works out for you.

Jesus Christ no wonder nobody gives a sh*t about you gun nuts. You don't even understand your own f*cking weapons.


They're both .30 caliber. That doesn't mean that the bullets are interchangeable, of course, any more than a 7.62x54R Nagant round can be used in a standard AK-47, which takes 7.62x39. Same caliber, different cartridge.
 
2013-03-23 11:10:16 AM

Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: Oh, I had lots of fun. It's always a good time putting gun nuts in their place

Do you have citations?


Yeah, the part where you two jumped into the middle of a discussion about the Garand and started talking about a completely different weapon. Good times.
 
2013-03-23 11:21:40 AM

Epoch_Zero: Good. Any legislation that can actually be passed is a start. This is getting out of control.

Btw: 2883 gun deaths in the US since Newtown.


Giving libertu for safety... Increase social services first. Remove rights last.
 
2013-03-23 11:40:42 AM
Guys, guys.  Let's not fight.  You've all clearly made mistakes; just admit them and move on.  Everyone jumping on cameron for being "wrong" about the M1 failed their reading comprehension check since it is perfectly clear, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he was talking about the Garand.  And cameron used the wrong terminology when he said they're not the same "caliber" when he meant that they're not chambered for the same cartridge.

Now everyone kiss and make up.
 
2013-03-23 12:20:13 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Oh, I had lots of fun. It's always a good time putting gun nuts in their place. Your worst enemy is a guy like me: Someone who actually knows about guns.


You are wrong again, >30 carbine and 30-06 are both >30 caliber.

When I am reloading either, I use the same bullet for either,dumbass
 
2013-03-23 12:24:56 PM

Rivetman1.0: cameroncrazy1984: Oh, I had lots of fun. It's always a good time putting gun nuts in their place. Your worst enemy is a guy like me: Someone who actually knows about guns.

You are wrong again, >30 carbine and 30-06 are both >30 caliber.

When I am reloading either, I use the same bullet for either,dumbass


So are you using 110gr round nose in .30-06, or 150gr spitzers in .30 carbine?
 
2013-03-23 12:42:52 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: Oh, I had lots of fun. It's always a good time putting gun nuts in their place

Do you have citations?

Yeah, the part where you two jumped into the middle of a discussion about the Garand and started talking about a completely different weapon. Good times.


So you can quote the relevant info into your next post?

You would if you could, but you didn't because you can't.
 
2013-03-23 12:44:21 PM

Fish in a Barrel: So are you using 110gr round nose in .30-06, or 150gr spitzers in .30 carbine?


Speer 100 grain plinkers round nose half jacketed
 
2013-03-23 12:50:20 PM

Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: Oh, I had lots of fun. It's always a good time putting gun nuts in their place

Do you have citations?

Yeah, the part where you two jumped into the middle of a discussion about the Garand and started talking about a completely different weapon. Good times.

So you can quote the relevant info into your next post?

You would if you could, but you didn't because you can't.


Ah, my mistake, that was Frank N' Stein.
 
2013-03-23 02:18:29 PM

way south: SCUBA_Archer: Epoch_Zero: Good. Any legislation that can actually be passed is a start. This is getting out of control.

Btw: 2883 gun deaths in the US since Newtown.

How many lives would've been saved by a <7 round magazine law?

None that can be proven, and that's part of the problem with gun control.

We've got this circular logic that says we need to pass a law because we need to pass a law, but no one looks back to see if these efforts are paying off.
Time on the floor that could be used to debate real solutions (mental health, crime fighting, drug war, etc...) gets burned off debating whether the magic number to save a life is 15, 10, 7 or 1.

In the end people don't remember the person who wasn't killed. They remember that the crime still happened.
Fear of being left helpless among criminals is what drives gun sales. Making it even harder to pass any law with teeth.


What is the point of passing laws with teeth? They don't have time or concerns for failed background checks. I watched the committee meetings, and police chiefs/commissioners as well as the Federal Attorney General give no farks about enforcing laws. They said,  "Stopping felons/prohibited guys from getting guns is not a priority. Background check failures are paper offenses and they are not on our radar. We don't care about stopping guns from getting in their hands, only arresting them when they have possession."

So long as self-defense is a purpose protected by the Second Amendment, you can't meaningfully ban people from having guns in a situation that can kill people. Because killing people is considered an acceptable and protected use for guns. You can make "reasonable restrictions," but almost anything that makes it hard to use a gun to murder someone also makes it hard to use a gun to commit justifiable homicide on someone. You can't really distinguish between the two in any technical (i.e. engineering-based and not legal) way. There are basically no magic murder guns that only commit murder but don't work for self-defense. At least none that aren't already heavily regulated (machine guns, explosives, etc.).
 
2013-03-25 07:00:48 PM

mrshowrules: I said "NRA/ gun enthusiasts" originally. There are pro-choicers on both sides of the aisle also. Generally speaking, pro-choicers generally have other ideas to help. Gun nuts (in general and on both sides of the aisle) don't bring anything useful to the table.


I'm an NRA/gun enthusiast.  My extremely abridged points:
1.  Any gun laws should target criminals more than law abiding types
A.  Actually prosecute disallowed people who attempt to purchase firearms
B.  Fix the background check system so it's more comprehensive
2.  Target violent crime, not just 'gun crime', and the reasons for it.
A.  Fix our schools
B.  Fix our mental healthcare system
C.  Fix it so that people have prospects:  Some sort of job program
D.  Target 'thug culture' for change, same with 'binge drinking' and such.
3.  Prisons should be about reform; not just punishment.
A.  Current systems in the USA make reoffending MORE likely, not less.
B.  Other countries manage to have a third of the recidivism rate at approximately a third of the prison time.
C.  How can we afford NOT to do this? They could spend 3X as much per prison year as we do and still come out ahead, I doubt they're doing so
4.  End the War on drugs
A.  Biggest source of police mistrust/corruption
B.  Eliminate a big group of victims(drug users/dealers can't call the police, allowing a predatory criminal sub-class to flourish)
C.  Treat addiction as medical, not criminal issue.
 
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