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2013-03-22 01:23:35 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: And that's a civilian version of the M-14.


All m14s, except a very small number (maybe 100-400 modified for the SEALs for select fire) are the civillian version.
 
2013-03-22 01:24:39 PM

BayouOtter: THX 1138: ha-ha-guy: Meanwhile in China you have mass stabbings and things like that.  Clearly if you're a crazy in America you go with the gun because you get the best performance out of it, but it seems like banning the gun is just going to lead to "Mass IEDings" or whatever we'll call them.

There was a mass stabbing in a Chinese school the exact same day as the Newtown shootings.  The only difference was the weapon used.  Guess how many of those kids as a result?

Li Xianliang managed to kill 17 people with a tractor, grown adults. Oh, and he was on a drunken rampage, too.

Lets not forget that the Virgina Tech shooting, with a higher body count, was done with  pistols and 10-round magazines. Cho just brought a backback full of extra magazines with him.


Also that stabbing still ended with kids in intensive care.  Which is the fundamental problem.  I want a solution that ends such attacks, not just reduces the kill count because a less than optimal weapon was used.  I doubt we as a society will be sitting there going "Well he used a buck knife and only killed two kids, so it's cool."  Instead the demand will be "WTF, why is this still happening?".  Gun control doesn't prevent this kind of attack, so it is not the ultimate solution, yet it seems to be all some people can talk about.
 
2013-03-22 01:25:27 PM

Giltric: demaL-demaL-yeH: And that's a civilian version of the M-14.

All m14s, except a very small number (maybe 100-400 modified for the SEALs for select fire) are the civillian version.


Dude. What the hey?

No.

/Just no.
 
2013-03-22 01:27:36 PM
So long as self-defense is a purpose protected by the Second Amendment, you can't meaningfully ban people from having guns in a situation that can kill people. Because killing people is considered an acceptable and protected use for guns. You can make "reasonable restrictions," but almost anything that makes it hard to use a gun to murder someone also makes it hard to use a gun to commit justifiable homicide on someone. You can't really distinguish between the two in any technical (i.e. engineering-based and not legal) way. There are basically no magic murder guns that only commit murder but don't work for self-defense. At least none that aren't already heavily regulated (machine guns, explosives, etc.).
 
2013-03-22 01:35:13 PM
Yeah, as this is basically a defacto ban on the most common type of weapon in the country (semi-automatic pistols), it's blatantly unconstitutional under current Supreme Court rulings, and a gift for the NRA.
 
2013-03-22 01:35:57 PM

ha-ha-guy: BayouOtter: THX 1138: ha-ha-guy: Meanwhile in China you have mass stabbings and things like that.  Clearly if you're a crazy in America you go with the gun because you get the best performance out of it, but it seems like banning the gun is just going to lead to "Mass IEDings" or whatever we'll call them.

There was a mass stabbing in a Chinese school the exact same day as the Newtown shootings.  The only difference was the weapon used.  Guess how many of those kids as a result?

Li Xianliang managed to kill 17 people with a tractor, grown adults. Oh, and he was on a drunken rampage, too.

Lets not forget that the Virgina Tech shooting, with a higher body count, was done with  pistols and 10-round magazines. Cho just brought a backback full of extra magazines with him.

Also that stabbing still ended with kids in intensive care.  Which is the fundamental problem.  I want a solution that ends such attacks, not just reduces the kill count because a less than optimal weapon was used.  I doubt we as a society will be sitting there going "Well he used a buck knife and only killed two kids, so it's cool."  Instead the demand will be "WTF, why is this still happening?".  Gun control doesn't prevent this kind of attack, so it is not the ultimate solution, yet it seems to be all some people can talk about.


You don't support measures that could make these incidents less lethal because you want an ultimate solution to the problem of drunk driving, er, shooting rampages.
 
2013-03-22 01:36:25 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Giltric: demaL-demaL-yeH: And that's a civilian version of the M-14.

All m14s, except a very small number (maybe 100-400 modified for the SEALs for select fire) are the civillian version.

Dude. What the hey?

No.

/Just no.


It was desinged as a select fire weapon and all were converted to semi auto only operation because they were useless and uncontollable in full auto.
 
2013-03-22 01:38:33 PM

Geotpf: Yeah, as this is basically a defacto ban on the most common type of weapon in the country (semi-automatic pistols), it's blatantly unconstitutional under current Supreme Court rulings, and a gift for the NRA.


Yup.  It's one of the uglier aspects of the gun control debate.  A lot of the solutions seem to be "Lets bring back that the AWB, whose only real impact was a price spike on 30 round magazines" or "Lets go brush the dust off laws that Supreme Courts have already struck down, pass them to placate the public, and hope gun control is out the news cycle when the court system hands us our ass."  It's not a solution, it's so the elected officials can appear to be doing something.  Of course the something is pissing away tax dollars and court system time with a measure that isn't likely to stick around.
 
2013-03-22 01:40:58 PM
demaL-demaL-yeH:
You don't support measures that could make these incidents less lethal because you want an ultimate solution to the problem of drunk driving, er, shooting rampages.

Lack of a gun doesn't make a nutball killer any less lethal. Some examples:
These three methods are the most effective ways a lone nut can kill lots of people, all at once. You can rack up the triple digits pretty easily this way. For example:
The Our Lady of the Angels School fire, which killed 95. The suspected arsonist was never tried.
Or maybe the the work of Jin Ruchao, who killed 108 people in Shijiazhuan with his ill-synced bomb attack? (4 bombs that went off at once)
Or Zhang Pilin, who killed 112 by downing China Northern Airlines Flight 6136 all by himself? (Passenger, not a pilot)
Or good old American Robert Dale Segee, who killed over 200 in a fire in Hartford? The circus grounds were so burnt the authorities still aren't sure how many he murdered.
We could talk about Kim Dae-han, a 56 year old half-paralyzed man that killed 198 Koreans in the Daegu subway fire? He didn't need a gun.
Gameel Al-Batouti went a little crazy and killed 217 when he crashed EgyptAir Flight 990 into the ocean. Not a gun in sight - though he was the pilot.
Adilson Marcelino Alves killed over 300 in, you guessed it - another act of circus related arson. What is it about circuses and fire?
William Unek managed to whack 21 folks to death with an axe in an orgy of violence, which goes to show a dedicated killer will succeed even without machinery.
(I'd have included McVeigh, but he had accomplices)
 
2013-03-22 01:43:14 PM

Frank N Stein: You wanna try that again?


That's a M1 Carbine (.30 cal) not a M1 Garand (30-06)
 
2013-03-22 01:43:59 PM

BayouOtter: demaL-demaL-yeH:
You don't support measures that could make these incidents less lethal because you want an ultimate solution to the problem of drunk driving, er, shooting rampages.

Lack of a gun doesn't make a nutball killer any less lethal. Some examples:
These three methods are the most effective ways a lone nut can kill lots of people, all at once. You can rack up the triple digits pretty easily this way. For example:
The Our Lady of the Angels School fire, which killed 95. The suspected arsonist was never tried.
Or maybe the the work of Jin Ruchao, who killed 108 people in Shijiazhuan with his ill-synced bomb attack? (4 bombs that went off at once)
Or Zhang Pilin, who killed 112 by downing China Northern Airlines Flight 6136 all by himself? (Passenger, not a pilot)
Or good old American Robert Dale Segee, who killed over 200 in a fire in Hartford? The circus grounds were so burnt the authorities still aren't sure how many he murdered.
We could talk about Kim Dae-han, a 56 year old half-paralyzed man that killed 198 Koreans in the Daegu subway fire? He didn't need a gun.
Gameel Al-Batouti went a little crazy and killed 217 when he crashed EgyptAir Flight 990 into the ocean. Not a gun in sight - though he was the pilot.
Adilson Marcelino Alves killed over 300 in, you guessed it - another act of circus related arson. What is it about circuses and fire?
William Unek managed to whack 21 folks to death with an axe in an orgy of violence, which goes to show a dedicated killer will succeed even without machinery.
(I'd have included McVeigh, but he had accomplices)


Lost a line: Arson, crashes, and bombs usually do a lot more injury and death than a firearm, if we're talking about a typical mass-murder by a lone individual type situation.
 
2013-03-22 01:45:27 PM

ha-ha-guy: BayouOtter: THX 1138: ha-ha-guy: Meanwhile in China you have mass stabbings and things like that.  Clearly if you're a crazy in America you go with the gun because you get the best performance out of it, but it seems like banning the gun is just going to lead to "Mass IEDings" or whatever we'll call them.

There was a mass stabbing in a Chinese school the exact same day as the Newtown shootings.  The only difference was the weapon used.  Guess how many of those kids as a result?

Li Xianliang managed to kill 17 people with a tractor, grown adults. Oh, and he was on a drunken rampage, too.

Lets not forget that the Virgina Tech shooting, with a higher body count, was done with  pistols and 10-round magazines. Cho just brought a backback full of extra magazines with him.

Also that stabbing still ended with kids in intensive care.  Which is the fundamental problem.  I want a solution that ends such attacks, not just reduces the kill count because a less than optimal weapon was used.  I doubt we as a society will be sitting there going "Well he used a buck knife and only killed two kids, so it's cool."  Instead the demand will be "WTF, why is this still happening?".  Gun control doesn't prevent this kind of attack, so it is not the ultimate solution, yet it seems to be all some people can talk about.


You want a solution, but you vote for the bastards that will never craft or support any thing that resembles a solution aside from more guns. So sorry if I don't believe that you want a solution.
 
2013-03-22 01:46:16 PM

PDid: You want a solution, but you vote for the bastards that will never craft or support any thing that resembles a solution aside from more guns. So sorry if I don't believe that you want a solution.


Where did I say who I voted for?
 
2013-03-22 01:50:19 PM
It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?
 
2013-03-22 01:52:07 PM

Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?


I was under the impression that the NRA's job was to go batshiat insane and alienate 90% of the country. Was that incorrect?

I think they are referring to the Republicans, who are going batshiat insane too because they are in the NRA's pocket.
 
2013-03-22 01:55:31 PM

CPennypacker: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

I was under the impression that the NRA's job was to go batshiat insane and alienate 90% of the country. Was that incorrect?

I think they are referring to the Republicans, who are going batshiat insane too because they are in the NRA's pocket.


It is up to a civil rights group, of which the NRA is the oldest in the country, to fight to expand civil rights, not compromise and help further restrict them.

Why aren't the democrats compromising on tax cuts for the wealthy?
 
2013-03-22 01:56:36 PM

CPennypacker: Subby and the Post are apparently unfamiliar with the mathematical concept of "greater than"


I was told there would be no math.
 
2013-03-22 01:59:19 PM

Frank N Stein: cameroncrazy1984: Frank N Stein: cameroncrazy1984: Frank N Stein: demaL-demaL-yeH: Garands are exempt.

I find it hilarious that morons think "high powered military style semi-automatic rifles" like the AR-15 should be banned, but are fine with M1 Garands, even though the M1 is an actual military semi-automatic (not hurr duurr "in the style of") that chambers a significantly more powerful cartridge (30-06)

An M-1 also can't hold a 30 or 100 round magazine.

[world.guns.ru image 650x191]

You wanna try that again?

Uh, that's not a Garand, that's a completely different weapon.

You said M1, not Garand. That's an M1 Carbine.


Do you honestly think those two weapons are even on the same platform? Because they're not. And the discussion was about the Garand, not the Carbine. They are two completely separate platforms. Here's what you sound like:

"A Ford F-150 is great for hauling"

"Yeah, the Ford is a great truck"

"Haw Haw, the Ford Pinto doesn't haul worth sh*t!"
 
2013-03-22 01:59:51 PM

Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

I was under the impression that the NRA's job was to go batshiat insane and alienate 90% of the country. Was that incorrect?

I think they are referring to the Republicans, who are going batshiat insane too because they are in the NRA's pocket.

It is up to a civil rights group, of which the NRA is the oldest in the country, to fight to expand civil rights, not compromise and help further restrict them.

Why aren't the democrats compromising on tax cuts for the wealthy?


lol the NRA is a civil rights group.
 
2013-03-22 02:01:07 PM
I like the analogy.  My wife gets bad at me for not doing the dishes,  I think she is an evil insult to nature that will burn in hell but we work through it.
 
2013-03-22 02:03:27 PM
It's an antisymmetric, transitive, irreflexive, total, binary endorelation. Study it out.
 
2013-03-22 02:05:10 PM
"Cuomo also said he and lawmakers may exempt retired law-enforcement officers from the gun-control law's limits "

...because no former LEO has ever gone on a killing spree?  oh, wait...
 
2013-03-22 02:09:28 PM
Well, regardless of WHAT restriction they end up having, at least they will put agents on every road entering New York state to search every vehicle coming in from a different state that might sell the 15 or 30 round magazines.

For the children.
 
2013-03-22 02:15:39 PM

ShadowKamui: THX 1138: ha-ha-guy: Meanwhile in China you have mass stabbings and things like that.  Clearly if you're a crazy in America you go with the gun because you get the best performance out of it, but it seems like banning the gun is just going to lead to "Mass IEDings" or whatever we'll call them.

There was a mass stabbing in a Chinese school the exact same day as the Newtown shootings.  The only difference was the weapon used.  Guess how many of those kids as a result?

You do realize that the Chinese guy in question was specifically not trying to kill the children but rather to permanently disfigure them by cutting off ears and noses.



Source?
 
2013-03-22 02:21:05 PM

CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

I was under the impression that the NRA's job was to go batshiat insane and alienate 90% of the country. Was that incorrect?

I think they are referring to the Republicans, who are going batshiat insane too because they are in the NRA's pocket.

It is up to a civil rights group, of which the NRA is the oldest in the country, to fight to expand civil rights, not compromise and help further restrict them.

Why aren't the democrats compromising on tax cuts for the wealthy?

lol the NRA is a civil rights group.


It is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.
 
2013-03-22 02:21:21 PM

Community Agitator: Well, regardless of WHAT restriction they end up having, at least they will put agents on every road entering New York state to search every vehicle coming in from a different state that might sell the 15 or 30 round magazines.

For the children.


Well, according to their new logic it seems to me that you can have any size magazine as long as you only put 7 rounds in it. There is no difference to a 10 round clip loaded with 7 to a 30 round clip loaded with 7.
 
2013-03-22 02:26:05 PM

Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

I was under the impression that the NRA's job was to go batshiat insane and alienate 90% of the country. Was that incorrect?

I think they are referring to the Republicans, who are going batshiat insane too because they are in the NRA's pocket.

It is up to a civil rights group, of which the NRA is the oldest in the country, to fight to expand civil rights, not compromise and help further restrict them.

Why aren't the democrats compromising on tax cuts for the wealthy?

lol the NRA is a civil rights group.

It is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.


If you really believed that you would have shut your mouth on December 14 and kept it shut.
 
2013-03-22 02:34:31 PM

CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

I was under the impression that the NRA's job was to go batshiat insane and alienate 90% of the country. Was that incorrect?

I think they are referring to the Republicans, who are going batshiat insane too because they are in the NRA's pocket.

It is up to a civil rights group, of which the NRA is the oldest in the country, to fight to expand civil rights, not compromise and help further restrict them.

Why aren't the democrats compromising on tax cuts for the wealthy?

lol the NRA is a civil rights group.

It is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.

If you really believed that you would have shut your mouth on December 14 and kept it shut.


Over an outlier?
 
2013-03-22 02:38:54 PM

CujoQuarrel: Community Agitator: Well, regardless of WHAT restriction they end up having, at least they will put agents on every road entering New York state to search every vehicle coming in from a different state that might sell the 15 or 30 round magazines.

For the children.

Well, according to their new logic it seems to me that you can have any size magazine as long as you only put 7 rounds in it. There is no difference to a 10 round clip loaded with 7 to a 30 round clip loaded with 7.



So, this mean the next mass shooting will be more tolerable because the shooter only loads 7 rounds into 15 round magazines.
Gotcha
 
2013-03-22 02:44:21 PM

Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

I was under the impression that the NRA's job was to go batshiat insane and alienate 90% of the country. Was that incorrect?

I think they are referring to the Republicans, who are going batshiat insane too because they are in the NRA's pocket.

It is up to a civil rights group, of which the NRA is the oldest in the country, to fight to expand civil rights, not compromise and help further restrict them.

Why aren't the democrats compromising on tax cuts for the wealthy?

lol the NRA is a civil rights group.

It is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.

If you really believed that you would have shut your mouth on December 14 and kept it shut.

Over an outlier?


What an outlier looks like to Giltric

a.abcnews.com

I take it you don't really ascribe to that quote then
 
2013-03-22 02:51:37 PM

CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

I was under the impression that the NRA's job was to go batshiat insane and alienate 90% of the country. Was that incorrect?

I think they are referring to the Republicans, who are going batshiat insane too because they are in the NRA's pocket.

It is up to a civil rights group, of which the NRA is the oldest in the country, to fight to expand civil rights, not compromise and help further restrict them.

Why aren't the democrats compromising on tax cuts for the wealthy?

lol the NRA is a civil rights group.

It is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.

If you really believed that you would have shut your mouth on December 14 and kept it shut.

Over an outlier?

What an outlier looks like to Giltric

[a.abcnews.com image 392x221]

I take it you don't really ascribe to that quote then


CpennyPacker, literally standing on the corpses of children to advance his goal of civilian disarmament.
 
2013-03-22 02:51:47 PM

qorkfiend: I heard the compromise being floated is that you can own a 10-round magazine, but you can't put more than 7 rounds in it.


Good. If there's one thing you can count on a crazed assassin doing, it's obeying the law.
 
2013-03-22 02:53:14 PM

BayouOtter: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

I was under the impression that the NRA's job was to go batshiat insane and alienate 90% of the country. Was that incorrect?

I think they are referring to the Republicans, who are going batshiat insane too because they are in the NRA's pocket.

It is up to a civil rights group, of which the NRA is the oldest in the country, to fight to expand civil rights, not compromise and help further restrict them.

Why aren't the democrats compromising on tax cuts for the wealthy?

lol the NRA is a civil rights group.

It is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.

If you really believed that you would have shut your mouth on December 14 and kept it shut.

Over an outlier?

What an outlier looks like to Giltric

[a.abcnews.com image 392x221]

I take it you don't really ascribe to that quote then

CpennyPacker, literally standing on the corpses of children to advance his goal of civilian disarmament.


Actually, my goal is for Giltric to shut up
 
MFK
2013-03-22 02:55:45 PM

CPennypacker: Actually, my goal is for Giltric to shut up


good luck with that.
 
2013-03-22 02:56:18 PM

CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

I was under the impression that the NRA's job was to go batshiat insane and alienate 90% of the country. Was that incorrect?

I think they are referring to the Republicans, who are going batshiat insane too because they are in the NRA's pocket.

It is up to a civil rights group, of which the NRA is the oldest in the country, to fight to expand civil rights, not compromise and help further restrict them.

Why aren't the democrats compromising on tax cuts for the wealthy?

lol the NRA is a civil rights group.

It is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.

If you really believed that you would have shut your mouth on December 14 and kept it shut.

Over an outlier?

What an outlier looks like to Giltric

[a.abcnews.com image 392x221]

I take it you don't really ascribe to that quote then


While sad and tragic, it is still an outlier.

Do you use emotional pleas when you are trying to get laid, or a raise?

I'm just wondering if the emotional angle works...or if people laugh at you when you use the emotional angle in other contexts.
 
2013-03-22 02:57:32 PM

MFK: CPennypacker: Actually, my goal is for Giltric to shut up

good luck with that.


Good point. If I can't get him to shut up half the time or even a little then what's the point in trying? He'll still be able to post.
 
2013-03-22 02:58:48 PM

Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: CPennypacker: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

I was under the impression that the NRA's job was to go batshiat insane and alienate 90% of the country. Was that incorrect?

I think they are referring to the Republicans, who are going batshiat insane too because they are in the NRA's pocket.

It is up to a civil rights group, of which the NRA is the oldest in the country, to fight to expand civil rights, not compromise and help further restrict them.

Why aren't the democrats compromising on tax cuts for the wealthy?

lol the NRA is a civil rights group.

It is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.

If you really believed that you would have shut your mouth on December 14 and kept it shut.

Over an outlier?

What an outlier looks like to Giltric

[a.abcnews.com image 392x221]

I take it you don't really ascribe to that quote then

While sad and tragic, it is still an outlier.

Do you use emotional pleas when you are trying to get laid, or a raise?

I'm just wondering if the emotional angle works...or if people laugh at you when you use the emotional angle in other contexts.


I'm guessing something like that that would be an interesting course of study for someone who refers to murdered children as an outlier. You should secure funding.
 
2013-03-22 03:00:16 PM
CPennypacker:Actually, my goal is for Giltric to shut up

You could click "Ignore" instead, but that wouldn't allow you to trot out your image.
 
2013-03-22 03:01:43 PM

Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?


Pro-choice groups consistently are the only group advocating policies to reduce abortions (single payer, sex ed, birth control access).

Countries with more liberal policies have few abortions.

In the case of guns, the NRA and gun enthusiasts on the other hand have offered absolutely nothing to reduce gun violence in society.
 
2013-03-22 03:03:22 PM

DrRatchet: only impact law-abiding gun owners


like that Sandy Hook shooter. A law abiding, NRA, good Christian
 
2013-03-22 03:04:20 PM

GanjSmokr: CPennypacker:Actually, my goal is for Giltric to shut up

You could click "Ignore" instead, but that wouldn't allow you to trot out your image.


My image as a suave, sharp-tongued lady killer?
 
2013-03-22 03:04:55 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: DrRatchet: only impact law-abiding gun owners

like that Sandy Hook shooter. A law abiding, NRA, good Christian


Citations?
 
2013-03-22 03:05:15 PM

mrshowrules: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

Pro-choice groups consistently are the only group advocating policies to reduce abortions (single payer, sex ed, birth control access).

Countries with more liberal policies have few abortions.

In the case of guns, the NRA and gun enthusiasts on the other hand have offered absolutely nothing to reduce gun violence in society.


Yeah, because gun-related policies correct systemic racism, generational poverty, the drug war, broken mental/physical health care systems, and income inequality. Granted, those things would effect all violence, but if you think being shot to death sends you to Super-Hell as opposed to the regular hell of a knifing, then you might have a point.
 
2013-03-22 03:07:19 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: DrRatchet: only impact law-abiding gun owners

like that Sandy Hook shooter. A law abiding, NRA, good Christian


The guy that murdered his mother, stole her property, and broke a score of laws before he killed some kids? The guy that tried, and failed to lawfully acquire weapons? The one that, if investigated after failing his background check might have been stopped? That guy?
 
2013-03-22 03:11:47 PM

CPennypacker: GanjSmokr: CPennypacker:Actually, my goal is for Giltric to shut up

You could click "Ignore" instead, but that wouldn't allow you to trot out your image.

My self-image as a suave, sharp-tongued lady killer?


Yea... that one.
 
2013-03-22 03:13:15 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: CptnSpldng: demaL-demaL-yeH: hardinparamedic: Woohoo!!! M1911s for everybody!!!!!

M1911: For those rare times when you don't have a shotgun.

/Just this once, I'll admit that it's difficult to find a good holster for a 12GA.

And where am I gonna find a plug to limit the magazine for a Lee-Enfield?

Doesn't apply unless the magazine is detachable and there's another "scary" feature.
Enfields and Garands are exempt.


Enfields' have a detatchable magazine and a bayonet lug.
 
2013-03-22 03:13:59 PM

GanjSmokr: CPennypacker: GanjSmokr: CPennypacker:Actually, my goal is for Giltric to shut up

You could click "Ignore" instead, but that wouldn't allow you to trot out your image.

My self-image as a suave, sharp-tongued lady killer?

Yea... that one.


Don't be a hater
 
2013-03-22 03:18:39 PM
It amazes me that people support these kind of laws even though they know it won't do a damn bit of good. Is that party politics or pandering for the ignorant vote?
 
2013-03-22 03:22:04 PM

violentsalvation: It amazes me that people support these kind of laws even though they know it won't do a damn bit of good. Is that party politics or pandering for the ignorant vote?


Well, you see what we should have happen is the government passes laws that are written through compromise and debate between stakeholders on the various sides of a given issue. But instead, one side controls the debate, a different side depending on where you are, surely, and so either dumb shiat that means well but doesn't really do anything helpful gets passed or no action is taken at all.

Freedom!
 
2013-03-22 03:22:24 PM

BayouOtter: mrshowrules: Giltric: It is up to the NRA to craft more gun laws as a form of compromise with the gun control crowd?

Would it be up to pro abortion groups to pass better restrictions on abortion?

WTF people?

Pro-choice groups consistently are the only group advocating policies to reduce abortions (single payer, sex ed, birth control access).

Countries with more liberal policies have few abortions.

In the case of guns, the NRA and gun enthusiasts on the other hand have offered absolutely nothing to reduce gun violence in society.

Yeah, because gun-related policies correct systemic racism, generational poverty, the drug war, broken mental/physical health care systems, and income inequality. Granted, those things would effect all violence, but if you think being shot to death sends you to Super-Hell as opposed to the regular hell of a knifing, then you might have a point.


You completely missed the point of the exchange.  What has the GOP done to reduce   racism, generational poverty, the drug war, broken mental/physical health care systems?

At least pro-choicers promote other solutions to reduce abortion.
 
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