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2013-03-22 09:31:42 AM
None of my friends and colleagues on the right responded to the arguments in my email, and few even acknowledged receiving it. By breaking from the right-wing consensus in favor of unconditional bellicosity, I had gone rogue.

A Republican admitting they were/are wrong is not looked at too kindly by other Republicans.
 
2013-03-22 10:00:06 AM
He's a RINO at best, or (probably) a full-fledged commie. No wonder they won't listen to a guy like that.
 
2013-03-22 10:05:02 AM
A reasonable article, even if I do not strictly agree with all of his reasoning. For one, terrorists do have some vulnerabilities that can create deterrent effects.

In these circumstances, I generally post a link to a Strategic Studies Institute paper and direct people to read the excellent second article, Squaring the Error.
 
2013-03-22 10:14:31 AM
Why I am no longer a Republican:
Because a party I joined as a teenager in the 1980's because of their stands on fiscal responsibility and economic stability by 2000 had turned into a party whose most vocal members talked about imposing their sense of religious morals upon everyone else, openly expressed homophobic views, and opted to try and verbally firebomb their opponents rather than debate them on the merits of issues.

I joined the party of Nixon (yeah, he was a crook, but he was a moderate by today's standards), Gerald Ford, Howard Baker and George H.W. Bush.
I left the party of Karl Rove, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and George W. Bush.
 
2013-03-22 10:15:00 AM
Really?  You suddenly decided to have a problem with Iraq 10 years later?
 
2013-03-22 10:33:37 AM
The Wizard finally gave you a brain?

www.purefit360.com
 
2013-03-22 10:39:24 AM

GAT_00: Really?  You suddenly decided to have a problem with Iraq 10 years later?


Some folks are a tad slow.
 
2013-03-22 11:46:25 AM
I remember watching one of the Republican debates when the crowd cheered Rick Perry talking about executing possibly innocent people and thinking "This is why I can NEVER be a Republican".
 
2013-03-22 12:00:30 PM
Has anybody read the book he links to near the end of the article?
"The Theocons: Secular America Under Siege ". Sounds interesting, if it's well done.
 
2013-03-22 12:00:40 PM
His next article is titled, "Why I recommend buying into the Pets.com IPO"
 
2013-03-22 12:17:20 PM
What takes these people so goddamned long?
 
2013-03-22 12:19:39 PM
I stopped being a Republican when I realized that a big part of being a Republican was just a chance to act like a macho gasbag and you had the backing of other macho gasbags.
 
2013-03-22 12:22:31 PM

mactheknife: Because a party I joined as a teenager in the 1980's because of their stands on fiscal responsibility


I'm sorry, but when did that ever happened? Hell, even Reagan's own vice president called their fiscal policy "voodoo economics."
 
2013-03-22 12:24:22 PM
The magazine strongly supported George W. Bush's original conception of the War on Terror, and so did I.

This makes you an idiot.  You are a stupid, stupid person, and you should be ashamed of yourself.  You should look at yourself in the mirror every day, and silently apologize to the world for how stupid you are, and how your stupidity contributed to the deaths of coalition soldiers and innocent civilians.  You should strive every single day to do something, no matter how small, to atone for your stupidity.
 
2013-03-22 12:27:30 PM
I expect to see a lot of these articles.
 
2013-03-22 12:28:26 PM
He was just in it for the religious oppression.
 
2013-03-22 12:29:11 PM
"Why I am no longer a...."
Yep, I have wonderfully relevant reasons for both political parties. They both are run by fools, for fools.
 
2013-03-22 12:29:22 PM
And no one gives a fark.
 
2013-03-22 12:30:32 PM
Too late.
 
2013-03-22 12:30:58 PM

gameshowhost: What takes these people so goddamned long?


Inertia.
 
2013-03-22 12:31:39 PM

2wolves: GAT_00: Really?  You suddenly decided to have a problem with Iraq 10 years later?

Some folks are a tad slow.


gameshowhost: What takes these people so goddamned long?


FTA

Alarmed by the transformation on the right and in the magazine's offices, I wrote a lengthy email in October 2002 to a number of my fellow conservatives, explaining why I thought it would be a serious mistake to turn Iraq into the next front in the War on Terror.
 
2013-03-22 12:31:39 PM
I think we've been getting one of these articles about every month or so lately.
 
2013-03-22 12:31:56 PM
I quit being a Republican when I realized they weren't going to trickle down on me. They were going to power dump on me. And they did.
 
2013-03-22 12:32:40 PM
They are therefore undeterrable, which means that the only way to combat them is to destroy them.

Funny, many folks view the multinational "too big to fail" banks the same way.
 
2013-03-22 12:33:03 PM

Proteios1: "Why I am no longer a...."
Yep, I have wonderfully relevant reasons for both political parties. They both are run by fools, for fools.


The only smart political affiliation is one that involves gold standards and blimps!
 
2013-03-22 12:35:26 PM
As the GOP moves further right into the realm of potato, the democrats will get the far left, the center left, and the center right. Add to that the wedge issues like abortion, gender equality, and gay marriage where they are on the wrong side of the populous and their future doesn't look too bright.
 
2013-03-22 12:35:40 PM

SploogeTime: Who cares? All are evil in government now. Doesn't matter who it is. They'll steal, lie and pilfer. That's there job.


I chuckled at this. Bot for the 16-year-old-who-just-read-fountainhead-and-just-isn't-understood vibe, but that it's a post with such a serious tone from a guy called SploogeTime.
 
2013-03-22 12:36:04 PM
i63.photobucket.com

Hopefully to a third party.
 
2013-03-22 12:37:15 PM

Epoch_Zero: Proteios1: "Why I am no longer a...."
Yep, I have wonderfully relevant reasons for both political parties. They both are run by fools, for fools.

The only smart political affiliation is one that involves gold standards and blimps!


Now now, sometimes politics involves lots of trains and a horribly composed rape scene.
 
2013-03-22 12:37:40 PM
Not a bad analysis. And, if you RTFA, folks, you'd find he broke with neo-con orthodoxy in 2002. As such, he was rendered persona-non-grata by his conservative compatriots.
 
2013-03-22 12:38:00 PM
Who is this guy and shy should I care?
 
2013-03-22 12:38:07 PM

SploogeTime: Who cares? All are evil in government now. Doesn't matter who it is. They'll steal, lie and pilfer. That's there job.


Did those evil bureaucrats reduce your social security check again or is it the nazi's in the planning department that denied your request to erect a 200 foot statue of Ayn Rand?
 
2013-03-22 12:38:55 PM

gameshowhost: What takes these people so goddamned long?


It's not as easy as it sounds.  The Republican spin machine is amazing at instilling four values in lifelong Republicans:
1) Circular reasoning (we're right because we say we're right)
2) BSABSVR
3) The ends justify the means
4) Might makes right

Even in today's information age, it takes an incredible amount of efford for those brought up according to those values to break their training.  The combination of those four is extremely powerful because they work together so tightly.
 
2013-03-22 12:39:04 PM

Proteios1: "Why I am no longer a...."
Yep, I have wonderfully relevant reasons for both political parties. They both are run by fools, for fools.


There will be one of these clowns in every single political thread. You can set your watch by it.

Thanks for your "contribution".
 
2013-03-22 12:39:55 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Epoch_Zero: Proteios1: "Why I am no longer a...."
Yep, I have wonderfully relevant reasons for both political parties. They both are run by fools, for fools.

The only smart political affiliation is one that involves gold standards and blimps!

Now now, sometimes politics involves lots of trains and a horribly composed rape scene.


Not to mention magical bridge trusses and static electricity motors.
 
2013-03-22 12:40:17 PM

SploogeTime: Who cares? All are evil in government now. Doesn't matter who it is. They'll steal, lie and pilfer. That's there job.


Actually, looks you were the first clown,  Proteios1 is the second.

Do you guys come in the same (tiny) car?
 
2013-03-22 12:40:40 PM

Bhasayate: Who is this guy and shy should I care?


Everyone is far too sober for that kind of Philosophy.
 
2013-03-22 12:43:43 PM
This guy seems capable of critical thinking. How did he end up working for a fundie magazine, anyway?
 
2013-03-22 12:43:44 PM

Proteios1: "Why I am no longer a...."
Yep, I have wonderfully relevant reasons for both political parties. They both are run by fools, for fools.


You should start your own party.  You seem to know what's what.
 
2013-03-22 12:44:05 PM

Epoch_Zero: Bhasayate: Who is this guy and shy should I care?

Everyone is far too sober for that kind of Philosophy.


oops. meant "why" maybe that helps.
 
2013-03-22 12:44:17 PM
I guess it was beyond the scope of the article, but I want to know if the trend towards theofascism in the GOP is as disgusting to him as the ignorance of the neocons during the 2 wars of the 2000s.
 
2013-03-22 12:44:58 PM

St_Francis_P: He's a RINO at best, or (probably) a full-fledged commie. No wonder they won't listen to a guy like that.


I'm pretty sure we can execute him for treason at this point.

Farking flip-flopper.
 
2013-03-22 12:45:46 PM

pute kisses like a man: 2wolves: GAT_00: Really?  You suddenly decided to have a problem with Iraq 10 years later?

Some folks are a tad slow.

gameshowhost: What takes these people so goddamned long?

FTA

Alarmed by the transformation on the right and in the magazine's offices, I wrote a lengthy email in October 2002 to a number of my fellow conservatives, explaining why I thought it would be a serious mistake to turn Iraq into the next front in the War on Terror.


And then I said nothing else for the next 10+ years.
 
2013-03-22 12:46:05 PM
Far right wing political ideas are in fact social experiments. Social experiments  are not conservative.

The modern republican party wants to keep pushing this experimentation on the public. (Oh and they lie about the results)
 
2013-03-22 12:46:51 PM

theorellior: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Epoch_Zero: Proteios1: "Why I am no longer a...."
Yep, I have wonderfully relevant reasons for both political parties. They both are run by fools, for fools.

The only smart political affiliation is one that involves gold standards and blimps!

Now now, sometimes politics involves lots of trains and a horribly composed rape scene.

Not to mention magical bridge trusses and static electricity motors.


Wait, I'm confused.

Are we, or are we not, talking about The Rocketeer?
 
2013-03-22 12:47:08 PM

coeyagi: I guess it was beyond the scope of the article, but I want to know if the trend towards theofascism in the GOP is as disgusting to him as the ignorance of the neocons during the 2 wars of the 2000s.


He suffers from massive lag, processing information takes at least 10 years, maybe more. We'll find out what this dope thinks about current events in 2023.
 
2013-03-22 12:47:40 PM

vernonFL: I remember watching one of the Republican debates when the crowd cheered Rick Perry talking about executing possibly innocent people and thinking "This is why I can NEVER be a Republican".


I remember thinking the same thing in 2000 when George W. Bush would go into debates actually BRAGGING about setting records in capital punishment.

Somebody ought to tell these people that while there is a legitimate debate as to whether or not it's necessary, it is never, EVER good.
 
2013-03-22 12:48:17 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: The magazine strongly supported George W. Bush's original conception of the War on Terror, and so did I.

This makes you an idiot.  You are a stupid, stupid person, and you should be ashamed of yourself.  You should look at yourself in the mirror every day, and silently apologize to the world for how stupid you are, and how your stupidity contributed to the deaths of coalition soldiers and innocent civilians.  You should strive every single day to do something, no matter how small, to atone for your stupidity.


I couldn't agree with you more.  That we haven't pilloried those who sponsored, backed, and supported that insane war speaks volumes and grates my soul.  I was walking up Manhattan the other day and thinking about the day we marched in defiance of the war, knowing we were being ignored.  I still feel it.  I always will.
 
2013-03-22 12:49:36 PM

Citrate1007: As the GOP moves further right into the realm of potato, the democrats will get the far left, the center left, and the center right. Add to that the wedge issues like abortion, gender equality, and gay marriage where they are on the wrong side of the populous and their future doesn't look too bright.


The Dems have represented the center right since the Clinton era. Remember the DLC? They're defunct now because all their platforms got adopted by the party as a whole.
 
2013-03-22 12:49:41 PM

Epoch_Zero: theorellior: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Epoch_Zero: Proteios1: "Why I am no longer a...."
Yep, I have wonderfully relevant reasons for both political parties. They both are run by fools, for fools.

The only smart political affiliation is one that involves gold standards and blimps!

Now now, sometimes politics involves lots of trains and a horribly composed rape scene.

Not to mention magical bridge trusses and static electricity motors.

Wait, I'm confused.

Are we, or are we not, talking about The Rocketeer?


This is confusing. I thought the National Socialists lived on the Moon.
 
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