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2013-03-22 03:53:05 PM
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2013-03-22 04:04:51 PM
Fubini:
(before you knew whether or not you'd get XCOM or not).

I did as well, pleasantly surprised when that got announced. I was itching to get XCOM anyways, so now I'm getting it free. I'm extremely ok with this.
 
2013-03-22 04:09:31 PM

lousyskater: Fubini:
(before you knew whether or not you'd get XCOM or not).

I did as well, pleasantly surprised when that got announced. I was itching to get XCOM anyways, so now I'm getting it free. I'm extremely ok with this.


I've never heard of Steam giving away a six month old AAA title as a preorder bonus before; it's just amazing.
 
2013-03-22 04:11:22 PM

SpoilerAlert: This is because Kotaku was really just IGN from an alternate dimension that chose not to be baptized and now Kotaku has to try and destroy IGN in order to save their future video game reviews from being embargoed, except by destroying them they also destroy themselves which eliminates future reviews from happening at all.

If that sounds like nonsensical garbage, you're right.


Well that is what I come to fark to read
 
2013-03-22 04:19:22 PM
Cyno01:

Theyre frequently on sale, pretty sure you can get 1 and 2 for like $7.50 every couple of weeks.

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman:

I think the originals have been $20 for a while, but go on sale for less fairly often.

I've probably seen it featured on the sales so many times, I just thought it was always that price. Loved 1. Can barely remember 2.

 I've been tempted by this pre-order deal because I do want both Infinite and XCom,

I've been playing XCOM off and on throughout the day and I'm liking it. I just look at it as 2 games for one. XCOM has a demo as well.
 
2013-03-22 04:21:53 PM

Geotpf: I'm preordering it tonight (assuming my last can of Violet Paint for TF2 finally sold-knocked about twenty bucks off selling random TF2 crap in the Steam Community Market).

There are four seperate preorder bonuses for it on Steam:

1. The standard preorder bonus of access to the puzzle game and some extra in-game items.
2. The original Bioshock.
3. Seven TF2 cosmetics.
4. And XCOM: Enemy Unknown, which is a six month old AAA title that still costs $50.

(If you have either of the games already, you can trade them away.)

It looks pretty good.  The original Bioshock game was, IMHO, great and was the best reviewed FPS ever that wasn't made by Valve.  Bioshock 2 was fairly bleah, though (I didn't even finish it), but that was laziness and this...is not.


I honestly had no idea how much that paint sold for, or that there was a market for it. I used it on my unusual Dota courier, then kicked myself when I saw it sold for $50 on the marketplace.
 
2013-03-22 04:27:42 PM

Trollin4Colon: I think thats how most people felt. By the time I got 3/4 through i was certainly ready for the game to end already. I trudged on but didn't really care.


This is obvious by the terrible player review scores it received....
8.3 average out of 688 reviews on gamefaqs.
8.2 average out of 1781 ratings on metacritic (PC).
8.8 average out of 1587 ratings on metacritic (Xbox)

People always reward perceived tedium with four star ratings. Clearly.
 
2013-03-22 05:04:58 PM

error 303: I sometimes think I'm the only person who didn'y enjoy Bioshock...


I was mildly distracted by it and got all the way through.  I felt like there was promise that was squandered.  Atmospherically, it was really good.  Aside from that, not so much.  I picked up Bioshock 2 on a steam sale and got 10 minutes in and saw nothing new, so I quit and haven't picked it up again.  My biggest problem is that I am a Half-Life / Left4Dead bigot.  Love those games and everything else suffers by comparison.  Well, except for Dragon Age:Origins and Skyrim, to a lesser extent.
 
2013-03-22 05:05:01 PM

Cubicle Jockey: Trollin4Colon: I think thats how most people felt. By the time I got 3/4 through i was certainly ready for the game to end already. I trudged on but didn't really care.

This is obvious by the terrible player review scores it received....
8.3 average out of 688 reviews on gamefaqs.
8.2 average out of 1781 ratings on metacritic (PC).
8.8 average out of 1587 ratings on metacritic (Xbox)

People always reward perceived tedium with four star ratings. Clearly.


Yeah because there's no way even a good game can run out of steam towards the end. Clearly.
 
2013-03-22 05:06:09 PM

Trollin4Colon: pute kisses like a man: wraith95: pute kisses like a man: I wasn't really impressed with bioshock 1 or 2?  got kind of bored, thought the gameplay was wonky.  i also didn't like how cartoony it was

I somewhat agree, though I never played 2. Not particularly challenging and there were only like five types of enemies in the whole game, all of which were rather similar. I put it down about 3/4s through and never felt compelled to finish.

yeah, i made it about 3/4 through the first, then only about 10 minutes into the second.

/ i bought both as a packaged Steam super sale, so at least i wasn't out too much money.

I think thats how most people felt. By the time I got 3/4 through i was certainly ready for the game to end already. I trudged on but didn't really care.

Now that Im playing "Pathologic" I laugh at Bioshocks puny attempt at morality.


After the big plot twist the game kind of falls flat.

Now that I'm playing "Planescape: Torment" (again) I laugh at Bioshock's puny attempt at morality.
 
2013-03-22 05:18:29 PM

WillyChase: Geotpf: I'm preordering it tonight (assuming my last can of Violet Paint for TF2 finally sold-knocked about twenty bucks off selling random TF2 crap in the Steam Community Market).

There are four seperate preorder bonuses for it on Steam:

1. The standard preorder bonus of access to the puzzle game and some extra in-game items.
2. The original Bioshock.
3. Seven TF2 cosmetics.
4. And XCOM: Enemy Unknown, which is a six month old AAA title that still costs $50.

(If you have either of the games already, you can trade them away.)

It looks pretty good.  The original Bioshock game was, IMHO, great and was the best reviewed FPS ever that wasn't made by Valve.  Bioshock 2 was fairly bleah, though (I didn't even finish it), but that was laziness and this...is not.

I honestly had no idea how much that paint sold for, or that there was a market for it. I used it on my unusual Dota courier, then kicked myself when I saw it sold for $50 on the marketplace.


It ended up selling for 54 cents or so; it wasn't a rare/expensive color.  Paint is much more expensive in Dota 2 than TF2 for some reason (I don't follow Dota 2 so I dunno why).  The most expensive paint in TF2 is black or white paint which are both about five bucks.  I sold about a dozen items in the marketplace to raise a little money for this and that was the last one to sell.
 
2013-03-22 05:46:43 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: Trollin4Colon: pute kisses like a man: wraith95: pute kisses like a man: I wasn't really impressed with bioshock 1 or 2?  got kind of bored, thought the gameplay was wonky.  i also didn't like how cartoony it was

(snip)
Now that Im playing "Pathologic" I laugh at Bioshocks puny attempt at morality.

After the big plot twist the game kind of falls flat.

Now that I'm playing "Planescape: Torment" (again) I laugh at Bioshock's puny attempt at morality.


It's choice suffered from the same thing many morality games do, you can be either a paragon or cartoonishly evil. It would have been more interesting if they would have started the first little sister as an adult, and then made them progressively younger.
 
2013-03-22 05:50:04 PM
Has anyone ever gotten anything of value for their "exclusive" pack-in toys from collectors' editions of video games? The coins from Elder Scrolls? The states from other games? The masks from others? The maps? Plaques? Badges? Figurines?

It's just idiotic to pre-order a game. I should hope the Sim City, Diablo III, and Spore experiences proved that, but apparently people still pre-order.

But then, I generally refuse to pay $60 for a game, anyway. Wait six months and it's $40. Wait another six months and it's $30. Wait for it to show up in a Steam sale and it's $5 on some holiday weekend.

I can wait to play games. I might be behind everyone else on AAA titles, but I get the same experience eventually, and for a lot less money.
 
2013-03-22 06:17:07 PM
wraith95:
It's choice suffered from the same thing many morality games do, you can be either a paragon or cartoonishly evil. It would have been more interesting if they would have started the first little sister as an adult, and then made them progressively younger.

it didn't help that the entire idea of harvesting the little sisters was that you would get more of whatever the resource for powers was but if you saved them you got presents all over the place that more or less equaled the stuff you got from harvesting them.
 
2013-03-22 07:00:43 PM

ZeroCorpse: It's just idiotic to pre-order a game. I should hope the Sim City, Diablo III, and Spore experiences proved that, but apparently people still pre-order.


I do, but not for the swag. I just like having the reminder that the game's come out from the store. It's not like I'm paying extra, after all.
 
2013-03-22 07:02:52 PM

wraith95: Tyrone Slothrop: Trollin4Colon: pute kisses like a man: wraith95: pute kisses like a man: I wasn't really impressed with bioshock 1 or 2?  got kind of bored, thought the gameplay was wonky.  i also didn't like how cartoony it was (snip)
Now that Im playing "Pathologic" I laugh at Bioshocks puny attempt at morality.

After the big plot twist the game kind of falls flat.

Now that I'm playing "Planescape: Torment" (again) I laugh at Bioshock's puny attempt at morality.

It's choice suffered from the same thing many morality games do, you can be either a paragon or cartoonishly evil. It would have been more interesting if they would have started the first little sister as an adult, and then made them progressively younger.


IIRC, Bioshock was one of the first games that tried to do this. It's implementation was clumsy, but it could be viewed as a prototype.

What's really unforgivable is that too many games that do morality choices are still trapped in the same dualistic template and that the "evil" choices are, almost invariably, of the "this guy's being kind of a dick" variety.
 
2013-03-22 07:07:40 PM

ZeroCorpse: Has anyone ever gotten anything of value for their "exclusive" pack-in toys from collectors' editions of video games? The coins from Elder Scrolls? The states from other games? The masks from others? The maps? Plaques? Badges? Figurines?

It's just idiotic to pre-order a game. I should hope the Sim City, Diablo III, and Spore experiences proved that, but apparently people still pre-order.

But then, I generally refuse to pay $60 for a game, anyway. Wait six months and it's $40. Wait another six months and it's $30. Wait for it to show up in a Steam sale and it's $5 on some holiday weekend.

I can wait to play games. I might be behind everyone else on AAA titles, but I get the same experience eventually, and for a lot less money.


Ehhh if it's a company or series that I really like, I'll pre-order. Mind you, I've lost faith in franchises from being burned (won't preorder another EA/BioWare product until they do something right). But developers like Bethesda (TES, Fallout series, Dishonored), Borderlands (Not Gearbox as a whole, what with Duke Nukem and Aliens: CM), Darksiders (which I think may be dead, sad face), etc., I'll pre-order and probably go for the collector's pack. I like knowing I'm supporting the developers and also get some stuff.

And 99% of places won't force you to pick-up a preorder. If I throw down $5 for a preorder and decide not to pick it up, I can just apply it to another game I'm getting. Doing that with Aliens: CM (I loved the franchise, saw the reviews, and said fark that) and applying it to BioShock.
 
2013-03-22 07:10:10 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: wraith95: Tyrone Slothrop: Trollin4Colon: pute kisses like a man: wraith95: pute kisses like a man: I wasn't really impressed with bioshock 1 or 2?  got kind of bored, thought the gameplay was wonky.  i also didn't like how cartoony it was (snip)
Now that Im playing "Pathologic" I laugh at Bioshocks puny attempt at morality.

After the big plot twist the game kind of falls flat.

Now that I'm playing "Planescape: Torment" (again) I laugh at Bioshock's puny attempt at morality.

It's choice suffered from the same thing many morality games do, you can be either a paragon or cartoonishly evil. It would have been more interesting if they would have started the first little sister as an adult, and then made them progressively younger.

IIRC, Bioshock was one of the first games that tried to do this. It's implementation was clumsy, but it could be viewed as a prototype.

What's really unforgivable is that too many games that do morality choices are still trapped in the same dualistic template and that the "evil" choices are, almost invariably, of the "this guy's being kind of a dick" variety.


Fallout series did pretty damn good with the morality system. Sometimes it just involved being a dick, but you could go straight evil too. I mean, one of the very first quests you can get in Fallout 3 is whether or not to nuke a whole town.
 
2013-03-22 08:25:06 PM
I'm holding off. The copy of Bioshock 1 and Xcom is tempting, but honestly? After most of the AAA titles of the past year or two have been major disapointments on technical or personal levels, I'm just done with buying 'the new thing' all the time.

I expect to buy infinite at some point, but honestly, I'm just fatigued. I'll pick it up when it goes on 1/2 price sale or something, I'm tired of games coming from great pedigrees and being giant festering piles of dog shiat.
 
2013-03-22 09:28:05 PM

Lumbar Puncture: AdamK: there's also a lot of recruitment from PR firms for people in the gaming press with better paying jobs and better work environments

lol, in what capacity?  I don't know if you've been watching the game industry for the past couple of years, but there's not really a lot of well paying jobs for ex-video game writers with any type of job security.


PR jobs, not video game writing jobs
 
2013-03-22 09:44:05 PM

AdamK: Lumbar Puncture: AdamK: there's also a lot of recruitment from PR firms for people in the gaming press with better paying jobs and better work environments

lol, in what capacity?  I don't know if you've been watching the game industry for the past couple of years, but there's not really a lot of well paying jobs for ex-video game writers with any type of job security.

PR jobs, not video game writing jobs


Well yeah, that's what I was referring to, there aren't a lot of those jobs around and those that are aren't exactly secure positions by any means or very well paying.  For the most part the editor in chief of a website has the contact with the PR firms, not the individual reviewers.  Someone with a marketing degree has a lot more value to a PR firm recruiter than someone who has written for Ziff Davis.
 
2013-03-22 10:24:12 PM

State_College_Arsonist: I pre-ordered Infinite only because Steam is offering a free copy of XCOM with every purchase.  Two new games for $60 is a decent deal.


I got the first five XCOM games off steam last year in a weekend sale for $5.  Probably the best $5 I've ever spent.
 
2013-03-22 10:53:17 PM

ZeroCorpse: Has anyone ever gotten anything of value for their "exclusive" pack-in toys from collectors' editions of video games? The coins from Elder Scrolls? The states from other games? The masks from others? The maps? Plaques? Badges? Figurines?

It's just idiotic to pre-order a game. I should hope the Sim City, Diablo III, and Spore experiences proved that, but apparently people still pre-order.


Eh, I've got plenty of stuff from my Borderlands 2 Loot Chest decorating the mancave, ditto for Killzone 3.  I think I've ordered a grand total of four special editions and I'm pretty happy with what I got.  Honestly the problem isn't pre-orders, it's not being able to get a refund(looking at you Steam).
 
2013-03-23 12:06:25 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Now that I'm playing "Planescape: Torment" (again) I laugh at Bioshock's puny attempt at morality.


I have just started playing that for the first time ever. I know some of the plot twists (alas), but i'm still enjoying it greatly.

*attempts to equip morte with knife because.. I don't know. Maybe he can hold it in his teeth*
"Oh, yeah, I'll just SWING IT WITH MY ARMS"

Some 'Splainin' To Do: IIRC, Bioshock was one of the first games that tried to do this. It's implementation was clumsy, but it could be viewed as a prototype.


Knights of the Old Republic, Knights of the Old Republic II, and Jade Empire would like to STRONGLY disagree with you, among so many, many others.

/Though they, again, suffer from the choice between "More self-sacrificing than jesus" and "Superhitler.'
 
2013-03-23 12:21:11 AM

ZeroCorpse: Has anyone ever gotten anything of value for their "exclusive" pack-in toys from collectors' editions of video games?


A long time ago, some fighting game special editions came with half-decent arcade sticks.

That's about it.
 
2013-03-23 02:11:14 AM
While a cute bit of humour, this actually points to something more nasty - that either IGN broke the embargo, or IGN was granted permission to run a review before everyone else (thus further casting IGN into suspicion of poor integrity).
 
2013-03-23 03:36:26 AM

Cubicle Jockey: Enjoyed Bioshock 1.
Thought 2 was ok.

But I have been burned too much by big name studios in the past couple of years to pre-preorder anything anymore. I'll wait a couple of weeks, see if there is any nerdrage, and then read the player reviews.

/9.0 and 2.0 score reviews are the ones worth reading.


Original Bioshock 1 team did not make number 2. But they *did* make this one. They almost had my money from the videos...consistent good reviews all but guarantees ill be bribing my wife for some time to play.

/whatever gets me off TF2 is her response.
 
2013-03-23 03:39:33 AM

ZeroCorpse: Has anyone ever gotten anything of value for their "exclusive" pack-in toys from collectors' editions of video games? The coins from Elder Scrolls? The states from other games? The masks from others? The maps? Plaques? Badges? Figurines?

It's just idiotic to pre-order a game. I should hope the Sim City, Diablo III, and Spore experiences proved that, but apparently people still pre-order.

But then, I generally refuse to pay $60 for a game, anyway. Wait six months and it's $40. Wait another six months and it's $30. Wait for it to show up in a Steam sale and it's $5 on some holiday weekend.

I can wait to play games. I might be behind everyone else on AAA titles, but I get the same experience eventually, and for a lot less money.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-03-23 04:27:19 AM

kroonermanblack: I'm holding off. The copy of Bioshock 1 and Xcom is tempting, but honestly? After most of the AAA titles of the past year or two have been major disapointments on technical or personal levels, I'm just done with buying 'the new thing' all the time.

I expect to buy infinite at some point, but honestly, I'm just fatigued. I'll pick it up when it goes on 1/2 price sale or something, I'm tired of games coming from great pedigrees and being giant festering piles of dog shiat.


I've been incredibly happy with indie games over the past few years. Granted, they'll never have the polish of a multimillion dollar title made by a huge staff but they are improving. More importantly, there are many games with genuinely fresh, new ideas and there are numerous bundle offers around offering multiple games at a very cheap price. There are also quite a few excellent free games out there as well, and while it does take some digging to find them it's more than worth the time.

It's like the golden age of the Commodore 64 and ZX Spectrum happening all over again except without the rubbish licenced games and dodgy arcade ports crowding the top of the charts.
 
2013-03-23 10:19:16 AM
Not buying it until I see reviews. After Aliens and Sim City, I'm not exactly in a very trusting mood when it comes to games anymore. fark the insipid preorder and micro-transaction culture that's KILLING gaming.

This policy is still enforced, even for a new Bioshock game. I loved System Shock 2 and Bioshock, but I just can't trust developers and publishers on their word anymore. I can always fire up Hotline Miami or Saints Row 3 again to tide me over.
 
2013-03-23 11:55:22 AM

starsrift: While a cute bit of humour, this actually points to something more nasty - that either IGN broke the embargo, or IGN was granted permission to run a review before everyone else (thus further casting IGN into suspicion of poor integrity).


They were given permission to run the review before everyone else.
 
2013-03-23 12:42:33 PM
I was going to wait a while as I just can't justify spending $60 on a game when I can get it six or eight months down the road for 25-50% off during one of their "shut up and take my money" sales.  Free copy of X-COM?  Don't mind if I do!
 
2013-03-23 10:50:16 PM
I want that song from one of the trailers. Beast is what I think it's called. I can't get it out of my head.
 
2013-03-25 02:33:51 PM

scottydoesntknow: Some 'Splainin' To Do: wraith95: Tyrone Slothrop: Trollin4Colon: pute kisses like a man: wraith95: pute kisses like a man: I wasn't really impressed with bioshock 1 or 2?  got kind of bored, thought the gameplay was wonky.  i also didn't like how cartoony it was (snip)
Now that Im playing "Pathologic" I laugh at Bioshocks puny attempt at morality.

After the big plot twist the game kind of falls flat.

Now that I'm playing "Planescape: Torment" (again) I laugh at Bioshock's puny attempt at morality.

It's choice suffered from the same thing many morality games do, you can be either a paragon or cartoonishly evil. It would have been more interesting if they would have started the first little sister as an adult, and then made them progressively younger.

IIRC, Bioshock was one of the first games that tried to do this. It's implementation was clumsy, but it could be viewed as a prototype.

What's really unforgivable is that too many games that do morality choices are still trapped in the same dualistic template and that the "evil" choices are, almost invariably, of the "this guy's being kind of a dick" variety.

Fallout series did pretty damn good with the morality system. Sometimes it just involved being a dick, but you could go straight evil too. I mean, one of the very first quests you can get in Fallout 3 is whether or not to nuke a whole town.


I liked who vampire the masquerade bloodlines introduced morality with a humanity score that had real effects on the character (higher humanity, some unique dialogue options, increased resistance to frenzy; lower humanity, constant frenzy and some very funny dialogue options).  but, there was little change in the plot, which was more based on choices that were not moralistic. also, it was fun to have a kind of notoriety score (masquerade violations).  the more blatantly you do goofy vampire stuff, the more pissed off every one is about your existence.

now, if you could keep up the ongoing morality tally like fallout and vampire, that's great.  and make your character's stats actually change because of morality, that's cooler. and, unique dialogue options are always appreciated... it's basically what makes a game replayable.  but, there needs to be more than one obvious option for morality to be interesting.
 
2013-03-25 07:49:48 PM

paidhima: I was going to wait a while as I just can't justify spending $60 on a game when I can get it six or eight months down the road for 25-50% off during one of their "shut up and take my money" sales.  Free copy of X-COM?  Don't mind if I do!


Well, the more people that do that, the likelier that we don't get these games period because of poor sales.

Prob don't have to worry with this one, but I tend to buy games that are fantastic but not selling so well at full price to support the devs for making a great game, so they then make more great games.  GTA4, Madden or COD doesn't need my money though.
 
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