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2013-03-22 11:51:46 AM
Want
 
2013-03-22 11:54:11 AM

CPennypacker: Want


Yea, I'm pumped.
 
2013-03-22 11:55:11 AM

CPennypacker: Want


Ditto.
/got chills watching the commercials during TWD last Sunday night
//haven't been genuinely excited to play a game like this in years
 
2013-03-22 11:55:44 AM
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System Shock 2 is better.
 
2013-03-22 11:56:31 AM

Mike_LowELL: SPOILER WARNING DO NOT READ AHEAD IF YOU WANT TO BE SPOILED


I should really proofread my shiatposts before I hit "Add Comment".
 
2013-03-22 11:59:40 AM

Mike_LowELL: SPOILER WARNING DO NOT READ AHEAD IF YOU WANT TO BE SPOILED

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System Shock 2 is better.


Well! Thanks...for that.
 
2013-03-22 11:59:54 AM
"The mobile version is faithful to the original."

Best line.
 
2013-03-22 12:03:16 PM
Picture of the Kotaku reviewer:

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-03-22 12:12:04 PM
I pre-ordered Infinite only because Steam is offering a free copy of XCOM with every purchase.  Two new games for $60 is a decent deal.
 
2013-03-22 12:12:24 PM
I'm currently replaying the original Bioshock. fark that game is creepy!!! Awesome, but creepy.
 
2013-03-22 12:12:34 PM
i'm not familiar with the bioshock universe, but this seems relevant to my interests.
 
2013-03-22 12:14:11 PM
So Nathan Drake went back in time?

Elisabeth is a pretty good fit, but I wish they made  Booker DeWitt a bit more memorable.
 
2013-03-22 12:14:27 PM
This is because Kotaku was really just IGN from an alternate dimension that chose not to be baptized and now Kotaku has to try and destroy IGN in order to save their future video game reviews from being embargoed, except by destroying them they also destroy themselves which eliminates future reviews from happening at all.

If that sounds like nonsensical garbage, you're right.
 
2013-03-22 12:18:09 PM
I wasn't really impressed with bioshock 1 or 2?  got kind of bored, thought the gameplay was wonky.  i also didn't like how cartoony it was
 
2013-03-22 12:18:52 PM

State_College_Arsonist: I pre-ordered Infinite only because Steam is offering a free copy of XCOM with every purchase.  Two new games for $60 is a decent deal.


3 if you count the original Bioshock. That was one hell of a deal since I was planning on buying XCOM and Infinite anyway.

FlashHarry: i'm not familiar with the bioshock universe, but this seems relevant to my interests.


Great game. I just checked Steam and they have a demo. If you like it, the pre-order of Infinite comes with a free copy of the original Bioshock and XCOM. I guess Steam jacked up the price for the originals. Could have sworn they were cheaper than $20.
 
2013-03-22 12:22:09 PM

SpoilerAlert: This is because Kotaku was really just IGN from an alternate dimension that chose not to be baptized and now Kotaku has to try and destroy IGN in order to save their future video game reviews from being embargoed, except by destroying them they also destroy themselves which eliminates future reviews from happening at all.

If that sounds like nonsensical garbage, you're right.


www.wordans.ca
 
2013-03-22 12:22:56 PM

pute kisses like a man: I wasn't really impressed with bioshock 1 or 2?  got kind of bored, thought the gameplay was wonky.  i also didn't like how cartoony it was


I somewhat agree, though I never played 2. Not particularly challenging and there were only like five types of enemies in the whole game, all of which were rather similar. I put it down about 3/4s through and never felt compelled to finish.
 
2013-03-22 12:29:54 PM
As a sign of how much I can't wait for this game, I'll be heading to the store Monday at midnight to pick it up.  I've been anticipating the day since they first announced the game three years ago.  The original was one of my favorite games of all time.

And yes, some day I will get a new computer to replace this POS so I can finally play System Shock 2
 
2013-03-22 12:33:16 PM

alwaysjaded: State_College_Arsonist: I pre-ordered Infinite only because Steam is offering a free copy of XCOM with every purchase.  Two new games for $60 is a decent deal.

3 if you count the original Bioshock. That was one hell of a deal since I was planning on buying XCOM and Infinite anyway.

FlashHarry: i'm not familiar with the bioshock universe, but this seems relevant to my interests.

Great game. I just checked Steam and they have a demo. If you like it, the pre-order of Infinite comes with a free copy of the original Bioshock and XCOM. I guess Steam jacked up the price for the originals. Could have sworn they were cheaper than $20.


Theyre frequently on sale, pretty sure you can get 1 and 2 for like $7.50 every couple of weeks.
 
2013-03-22 12:33:59 PM
I think I'm just going to youtube the cinematics and the good/bad ending and save myself the time and money.
 
2013-03-22 12:35:49 PM

wraith95: pute kisses like a man: I wasn't really impressed with bioshock 1 or 2?  got kind of bored, thought the gameplay was wonky.  i also didn't like how cartoony it was

I somewhat agree, though I never played 2. Not particularly challenging and there were only like five types of enemies in the whole game, all of which were rather similar. I put it down about 3/4s through and never felt compelled to finish.


yeah, i made it about 3/4 through the first, then only about 10 minutes into the second.

/ i bought both as a packaged Steam super sale, so at least i wasn't out too much money.
 
2013-03-22 12:39:01 PM

Plant Rights Activist: I think I'm just going to youtube the cinematics and the good/bad ending and save myself the time and money.


I did that with the Harry Potter book series. I had some friends that were incessantly talking it up and wouldn't leave me alone about reading it. So I read the first chapter of the first book and the last chapter of the last book in their presence and said, "Oh, good. Everything seemed to work out."

/CSB
 
2013-03-22 12:40:56 PM

State_College_Arsonist: I pre-ordered Infinite only because Steam is offering a free copy of XCOM with every purchase.  Two new games for $60 is a decent deal.


I pre-ordered it last night for the same reason. I had planned on buying Xcom anyway, I'd played a pirated version and loved it so I wanted to buy it. So this was the perfect incentive. Even bought the Xcom DLC while I was at it, so I can play through Xcom again when I'm done with Bioshock.

Plus they throw in the original Bioshock too... I love Steam so much I want to hike the Appalachian Trail with it.
 
2013-03-22 12:47:33 PM
Am I the only one that is sick and tired of these blatently bought reviews.  Kotaku... I is disapoint.  To sell out to IGN money.  I myself read the IGN article on both my mobile device and my desktop and the desktop version is supremely superior though it did fail on my goto browser... it works with most others..  Thier estimate on read time is blatently overblown,  And they are incorrect that the review is compatable with Netscape.
 
2013-03-22 01:00:01 PM
I sometimes think I'm the only person who didn'y enjoy Bioshock...
 
2013-03-22 01:08:35 PM
still don't get the title of the game...

shouldn't it be aeroshock infinite? or how about just skyshock? skyrim proves people love the word "sky" in their game titles, where's the water?!
 
2013-03-22 01:12:27 PM

Saiga410: Am I the only one that is sick and tired of these blatantly bought reviews.


It's often not even about them being 'bought' per se, but if you want free merch and advance copies from game companies you'd better not trash their games. The bigger your company is and the more stuff you can afford to give to review sites, the more review sites will herald your game as the coming messiah. This is why you seldom see any game from a big developer get a score below 5 out of 10. For that reason i suggest just using 5 as the new 0.

All the popular ones whore themselves out to some degree, but Kotaku is the worst by far.
 
2013-03-22 01:13:59 PM

Mike_LowELL: SPOILER WARNING DO NOT READ AHEAD IF YOU WANT TO BE SPOILED

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System Shock 2 is better.


YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE HARMONY!
 
2013-03-22 01:15:39 PM
Don't care.  Wayforward announced an HD Ducktales game.  That sounds like it'll be a lot more fun.
 
2013-03-22 01:20:29 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Saiga410: Am I the only one that is sick and tired of these blatantly bought reviews.

It's often not even about them being 'bought' per se, but if you want free merch and advance copies from game companies you'd better not trash their games. The bigger your company is and the more stuff you can afford to give to review sites, the more review sites will herald your game as the coming messiah. This is why you seldom see any game from a big developer get a score below 5 out of 10. For that reason i suggest just using 5 as the new 0.

All the popular ones whore themselves out to some degree, but Kotaku is the worst by far.


You do realize he was making fun of the "bought reviews" thing saying that IGN bought Kotaku off to give them a positive review of their review.

I was actually impressed with the big name review sites in regards to SimCity. Damn near every single one warned players to not purchase it until everything is worked out. IGN said something like "there's a good game here, but the crap you have to get through to get there is NOT worth it."
 
2013-03-22 01:26:38 PM

AdamK: still don't get the title of the game...

shouldn't it be aeroshock infinite? or how about just skyshock? skyrim proves people love the word "sky" in their game titles, where's the water?!


This has always been a weird argument. What the hell does "bio" have to do with being underwater? I always figured it dealt with the super genetic engineering that ruined Rapture, not Rapture itself. And this game still has powers, presumably from genetic manipulation (possibly even stolen and improved from Rapture itself, given the whole "tear" dynamic).
 
2013-03-22 01:27:41 PM

scottydoesntknow: You do realize he was making fun of the "bought reviews" thing saying that IGN bought Kotaku off to give them a positive review of their review.


Was still an opportunity to go on my little spiel. However tenuous.

I was actually impressed with the big name review sites in regards to SimCity. Damn near every single one warned players to not purchase it until everything is worked out. IGN said something like "there's a good game here, but the crap you have to get through to get there is NOT worth it."

After the gaming community overwhelmingly took that stance, they did too. They have to at least pretend they have their finger on the pulse of gamer culture.
 
2013-03-22 01:30:11 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Saiga410: Am I the only one that is sick and tired of these blatantly bought reviews.

It's often not even about them being 'bought' per se, but if you want free merch and advance copies from game companies you'd better not trash their games. The bigger your company is and the more stuff you can afford to give to review sites, the more review sites will herald your game as the coming messiah. This is why you seldom see any game from a big developer get a score below 5 out of 10. For that reason i suggest just using 5 as the new 0.

All the popular ones whore themselves out to some degree, but Kotaku is the worst by far.


it's generally accepted that game website writers are easy pushovers by publishers - whether it's sending swag or free games, or letting developers get out and buddy-buddy with websites so there's a personal connection... there's also a lot of recruitment from PR firms for people in the gaming press with better paying jobs and better work environments, and there's just the deal that reviewing games for a living isn't as good as job as it sounds and a lot of people in the gaming press went in wanting to climb the ladder and jump into game development themselves to begin with

so yeah, game journalism has always been a joke, it's more like enthusiast blogging than "journalism" for a lot of reasons

it's a lot easier to just filter through user reviews and watch youtube videos of the gameplay to see whether you'll enjoy a game or not
 
2013-03-22 01:30:44 PM

AdamK: still don't get the title of the game...

shouldn't it be aeroshock infinite? or how about just skyshock? skyrim proves people love the word "sky" in their game titles, where's the water?!


In what language does the prefix "bio-" translate to "underwater"?
 
2013-03-22 01:32:49 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Saiga410: Am I the only one that is sick and tired of these blatantly bought reviews.

It's often not even about them being 'bought' per se, but if you want free merch and advance copies from game companies you'd better not trash their games. The bigger your company is and the more stuff you can afford to give to review sites, the more review sites will herald your game as the coming messiah. This is why you seldom see any game from a big developer get a score below 5 out of 10. For that reason i suggest just using 5 as the new 0.

All the popular ones whore themselves out to some degree, but Kotaku is the worst by far.


Most free merch you mention is PR garbage that gets dumped or stored.  I loved the hell out of Max Payne 3, and it's not because I have a pill storage box emblazoned with the title (trash) or a T-shirt I'm too tall for (Goodwill).  But yeah, it's better to be cautious of any site with ads for that game on it or plastered everywhere or has some sort of exclusivity for the review.
 
2013-03-22 01:33:55 PM

pute kisses like a man: I wasn't really impressed with bioshock 1 or 2?  got kind of bored, thought the gameplay was wonky.  i also didn't like how cartoony it was


I downloaded the demo of 1, played it, said "meh", then erased it.  A couple weeks ago I saw 1 for sale on xbox live and I said, "maybe it's not too bad of a game", so I downloaded the game, played it, said "meh" again, then erased it.

Am I the only one on the planet that is completely not impressed or entertained by this game?  The graphics are very pretty, I'll give you that, but it completely didn't suck me in at all.
 
2013-03-22 01:35:10 PM
Correction: downloaded the demo again
 
2013-03-22 01:37:35 PM

AdamK: there's also a lot of recruitment from PR firms for people in the gaming press with better paying jobs and better work environments


lol, in what capacity?  I don't know if you've been watching the game industry for the past couple of years, but there's not really a lot of well paying jobs for ex-video game writers with any type of job security.
 
2013-03-22 01:38:38 PM

J. Frank Parnell: scottydoesntknow: You do realize he was making fun of the "bought reviews" thing saying that IGN bought Kotaku off to give them a positive review of their review.

Was still an opportunity to go on my little spiel. However tenuous.

I was actually impressed with the big name review sites in regards to SimCity. Damn near every single one warned players to not purchase it until everything is worked out. IGN said something like "there's a good game here, but the crap you have to get through to get there is NOT worth it."

After the gaming community overwhelmingly took that stance, they did too. They have to at least pretend they have their finger on the pulse of gamer culture.


Ehhh I think they're starting to learn. They also tore apart Aliens: Colonial Marines (Gearbox Software) before the internet took hold. They were putting articles up prior to release doubting a lot (especially after comparing the footage Gearbox showed at a convention vs. the final product). Not saying it doesn't happen, but I think they're starting to realize that putting up blatantly bought reviews isn't gonna fly anymore.

I use gamerankings anyway, get an aggregate idea of what everyone's thinking. Usually read some of the big name reviews as well as some of the no-name ones.
 
2013-03-22 02:03:19 PM
I got the songbird edition comin my way.
Can't wait!}
www.gamestop.com
 
2013-03-22 02:13:35 PM
I can't trust that IGN review. I need to know that the game isn't hobbled by poor AI because it's essentially for the most part an escort mission. unless Elizabeth is invincible, then I dont care if she stands in the way of my gunfire.

Did enjoy Bioshock 1. It was part System Shock, part Ayn Rand (she's a bigger asshole than SHODAN ever was!)
 
2013-03-22 02:19:53 PM
I'm not convinced. I don't want to read the review on the first day then have to read the reviews of every bit of DLC released for the game. And thats if it runs on my current browser. I'm not going to upgrade my browser just to read one review,. no matter how compeling it may be. I'm in no hurry. I have more than enough to read right now. I'll wait a year and read the GOTY edition review all at once.
 
2013-03-22 02:20:41 PM

alwaysjaded: State_College_Arsonist: I pre-ordered Infinite only because Steam is offering a free copy of XCOM with every purchase.  Two new games for $60 is a decent deal.

3 if you count the original Bioshock. That was one hell of a deal since I was planning on buying XCOM and Infinite anyway.

FlashHarry: i'm not familiar with the bioshock universe, but this seems relevant to my interests.

Great game. I just checked Steam and they have a demo. If you like it, the pre-order of Infinite comes with a free copy of the original Bioshock and XCOM. I guess Steam jacked up the price for the originals. Could have sworn they were cheaper than $20.


I think the originals have been $20 for a while, but go on sale for less fairly often.  I've been tempted by this pre-order deal because I do want both Infinite and XCom, but then I realized I'm already backlogged on games and by the time I get around to playing either they'll both be on sale for much less.
//from other recent sales I'm currently working my way through DarkStalkers, Max Payne 3, Alex Wake, Fallen Enchantress and GTA IV, and considering getting Dark Souls at 50% off this weekend
 
2013-03-22 02:32:08 PM
Enjoyed Bioshock 1.
Thought 2 was ok.

But I have been burned too much by big name studios in the past couple of years to pre-preorder anything anymore. I'll wait a couple of weeks, see if there is any nerdrage, and then read the player reviews.

/9.0 and 2.0 score reviews are the ones worth reading.
 
2013-03-22 02:33:12 PM
I'm preordering it tonight (assuming my last can of Violet Paint for TF2 finally sold-knocked about twenty bucks off selling random TF2 crap in the Steam Community Market).

There are four seperate preorder bonuses for it on Steam:

1. The standard preorder bonus of access to the puzzle game and some extra in-game items.
2. The original Bioshock.
3. Seven TF2 cosmetics.
4. And XCOM: Enemy Unknown, which is a six month old AAA title that still costs $50.

(If you have either of the games already, you can trade them away.)

It looks pretty good.  The original Bioshock game was, IMHO, great and was the best reviewed FPS ever that wasn't made by Valve.  Bioshock 2 was fairly bleah, though (I didn't even finish it), but that was laziness and this...is not.
 
2013-03-22 02:34:51 PM

pute kisses like a man: wraith95: pute kisses like a man: I wasn't really impressed with bioshock 1 or 2?  got kind of bored, thought the gameplay was wonky.  i also didn't like how cartoony it was

I somewhat agree, though I never played 2. Not particularly challenging and there were only like five types of enemies in the whole game, all of which were rather similar. I put it down about 3/4s through and never felt compelled to finish.

yeah, i made it about 3/4 through the first, then only about 10 minutes into the second.

/ i bought both as a packaged Steam super sale, so at least i wasn't out too much money.


I think thats how most people felt. By the time I got 3/4 through i was certainly ready for the game to end already. I trudged on but didn't really care.

Now that Im playing "Pathologic" I laugh at Bioshocks puny attempt at morality.
 
2013-03-22 02:35:34 PM

MadSkillz: I can't trust that IGN review. I need to know that the game isn't hobbled by poor AI because it's essentially for the most part an escort mission. unless Elizabeth is invincible, then I dont care if she stands in the way of my gunfire.


That was my worry too, but apparently she is in fact invincible and ends up just being a talking ammo dispenser.
 
2013-03-22 03:01:12 PM

Geotpf: I'm preordering it tonight (assuming my last can of Violet Paint for TF2 finally sold-knocked about twenty bucks off selling random TF2 crap in the Steam Community Market).

There are four seperate preorder bonuses for it on Steam:

1. The standard preorder bonus of access to the puzzle game and some extra in-game items.
2. The original Bioshock.
3. Seven TF2 cosmetics.
4. And XCOM: Enemy Unknown, which is a six month old AAA title that still costs $50.

(If you have either of the games already, you can trade them away.)

It looks pretty good.  The original Bioshock game was, IMHO, great and was the best reviewed FPS ever that wasn't made by Valve.  Bioshock 2 was fairly bleah, though (I didn't even finish it), but that was laziness and this...is not.


Bioshock was ok with two exceptions:

1.  The water puzzles got incredibly old and tedious
2.  The complete 180 in design strategy to have a big boss fight at the end pushed by the publisher
2.5 the whole take kids energy or not 'divergent ending' was weak.  very weak.
 
2013-03-22 03:06:15 PM
Well if the game is bad, we know who will be going "Why did I preorder that?  Why?" come release day.
 
2013-03-22 03:43:00 PM
A couple points:

I pre-ordered the game on Steam before it was cool (before you knew whether or not you'd get XCOM or not). But there were lots of other distributors offering out-and-out free games with their pre-orders, so I figured that the playerbase would scream absolute bloody murder if they didn't end up getting it (and worst case scenario, they'd probably let the pre-orders buy it for a pittance).

The reviewer at IGN said that this game has a huge legacy to live up to because of the gigantic twist in Bioshock, so everyone is expecting and anticipating a huge twist in Bioshock 2. Despite all the forewarning, his jaw still dropped when he got to the reveal.

I cannot farking wait. I'm taking at least a half day off on Wednesday, if not the whole day.
 
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