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2013-03-22 11:36:47 AM
So it's an SCA event?
 
2013-03-22 11:47:09 AM
Only if we see Peter FARKING Dinklage with Shakespeare's Skum.
 
2013-03-22 12:01:13 PM
The variety of cultures seen on the show is really quite amusing.  On one hand, you have your classic mediaeval period drama; on the other hand, you have a group led by a guy who was later chosen to play Conan the Barbarian, who at one point beheads someone entirely bare-handed.  So, yes, it's basically composed of a range of S.C.A. events, from the Wars of the Roses to Genghis Khan.

The S.C.A. and L.S.D. are both products of U.C. Berkeley, and it bloody well shows.
 
2013-03-22 12:10:00 PM
FTA:
"Mark Zuckerberg reportedly held a Game of Thrones-themed barbecue serving goat and 'obscure animal parts' last year."

Clearly, Mr. Zuckerberg had not read the fourth book in the series.  If he had, he'd realise that "roast goat" has a double meaning in A Song of Ice and Fire.
 
2013-03-22 12:16:43 PM
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"I refuse to go to any Ren Faire until they have a Stimpy Faire"

- I_AM_Weasel.  Circa I-don't-remember.
 
2013-03-22 12:42:47 PM
Sounds like Frolicon.
 
2013-03-22 01:02:16 PM

jpallan: FTA:
"Mark Zuckerberg reportedly held a Game of Thrones-themed barbecue serving goat and 'obscure animal parts' last year."

Clearly, Mr. Zuckerberg had not read the fourth book in the series.  If he had, he'd realise that "roast goat" has a double meaning in A Song of Ice and Fire.


Not having read the 4th book yet, I'm guessing it's something like Long Pork? Also: Shagga approves!

As to the show: Only seen the first season, and even that I'm not done with, but there seems to be quite a bit more sex in the show than the books. Am I wrong?
 
2013-03-22 01:03:53 PM
Teets or fair thee well
 
2013-03-22 01:07:16 PM
Much better looking women than a Ren Faire.
 
2013-03-22 01:12:01 PM

doglover: So it's an SCA event?


Over in one, except:

jpallan:The S.C.A. and L.S.D. and Unix are products of U.C. Berkeley, and it bloody well shows.

Added the other major mind-bending product that came out of UCB.
 
2013-03-22 01:12:49 PM
"Ren Faire", "SCA", and "nudity" are words that should never be associated with each other. Ever.
 
2013-03-22 01:18:07 PM
There is a more coherent story line at a REN fair, since song of ice and fire doesn't have one.

Also, a REN fair isn't as despeartely in need of an editor to chop 3/4 of it out.

The characters people try to create at REN fairs don't suddenly do things totally contrary to their personality.

Sheldon in a Star Trek uniform at a REN fair is much more believable.

People don't describe the food at a REN fair like it is porn.

However, you can skip two days of a REN fair or two books of song of ice and fire and not miss a thing in either.
 
2013-03-22 01:19:15 PM
Because God of Tits and Wine, that's why.
 
2013-03-22 01:21:16 PM
I thought this was going to be about Roman Polanski's Macbeth.
 
2013-03-22 01:24:55 PM
Ren Faire with nudity and gore? Isn't that what Goreans are?
 
2013-03-22 01:30:05 PM

Tricky Chicken: There is a more coherent story line at a REN fair, since song of ice and fire doesn't have one.

Also, a REN fair isn't as despeartely in need of an editor to chop 3/4 of it out.

The characters people try to create at REN fairs don't suddenly do things totally contrary to their personality.

Sheldon in a Star Trek uniform at a REN fair is much more believable.

People don't describe the food at a REN fair like it is porn.

However, you can skip two days of a REN fair or two books of song of ice and fire and not miss a thing in either.


Nope, you don't sound bitter at all.
 
2013-03-22 01:32:37 PM
I don't usually go for the sword and sorcery shtick but I have to admit, I am pretty much a complete fanboy.
 
2013-03-22 01:33:05 PM
Every Ren fair needs a ruthless villain
 
2013-03-22 01:34:15 PM

jpallan: The variety of cultures seen on the show is really quite amusing.  On one hand, you have your classic mediaeval period drama; on the other hand, you have a group led by a guy who was later chosen to play Conan the Barbarian, who at one point beheads someone entirely bare-handed.  So, yes, it's basically composed of a range of S.C.A. events, from the Wars of the Roses to Genghis Khan.

The S.C.A. and L.S.D. are both products of U.C. Berkeley, and it bloody well shows.


Westeros is basically northern Erupoe around the time of the War of the Roses,  the Bravosi have a culture analgous to the Itallian Rennaisance  city-states, and the Dothraki ARE the mongols more or less.   All of those folks co-existed at the same time in real life, so why is it so strange to see them on screen together?
 
2013-03-22 01:42:00 PM
Ok, I admit I chuckled at the toilet decal...
 
2013-03-22 01:42:59 PM

Magorn: jpallan: The variety of cultures seen on the show is really quite amusing.  On one hand, you have your classic mediaeval period drama; on the other hand, you have a group led by a guy who was later chosen to play Conan the Barbarian, who at one point beheads someone entirely bare-handed.  So, yes, it's basically composed of a range of S.C.A. events, from the Wars of the Roses to Genghis Khan.

The S.C.A. and L.S.D. are both products of U.C. Berkeley, and it bloody well shows.

Westeros is basically northern Erupoe around the time of the War of the Roses,  the Bravosi have a culture analgous to the Itallian Rennaisance  city-states, and the Dothraki ARE the mongols more or less.   All of those folks co-existed at the same time in real life, so why is it so strange to see them on screen together?




There schedules are full of hard science and calculus.
 
2013-03-22 01:50:36 PM
I call first go at the Drench a Wench.
 
2013-03-22 01:54:44 PM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Tricky Chicken:

Nope, you don't sound bitter at all.


Bitter?  BITTER?!

...yeah, I guess I am bitter. I guess it has become a personal quest to trash this hack and his tripe at every opportunity.  I got duped into wasting far too many hours of my life reading his crap, and I feel like I deserve some payback.

I feel like the guy looking at one of those Magic Eye pictures, but cant seem to see the image, and wants to tell people that it is just a bunch of dots.. People keep talking about how great this series is and how he is such a good writer. But all I found was juvenile torture porn, food porn and porn porn.  Sometimes near entire chapters are copied and pasted (almost word for word) from book to book.  There is such blatant repetition, that I skipped two entire books (read 1, 2, then 5) and I didn't miss a single key event since the main scenes were reprinted wholecloth. No identifiiable unifying story line (at least not one you are given a reason to give a damn about).  Are these books about the iron throne and who gets it?  If so, what difference does it make (none)?

If the television show is good, it must take great liberties with the crap it is derived from.
 
2013-03-22 01:57:31 PM

Tricky Chicken: I feel like the guy looking at one of those Magic Eye pictures, but cant seem to see the image, and wants to tell people that it is just a bunch of dots


images.sodahead.com

Feels your pain.

I don't though, because I rather enjoy the books.
 
2013-03-22 02:14:10 PM

PizzaJedi81: As to the show: Only seen the first season, and even that I'm not done with, but there seems to be quite a bit more sex in the show than the books. Am I wrong?


yes...2 words; Myrish Swamp.
 
2013-03-22 02:17:30 PM
Tricky Chicken:
...yeah, I guess I am bitter. I guess it has become a personal quest to trash this hack and his tripe at every opportunity.  I got duped into wasting far too many hours of my life reading his crap, and I feel like I deserve some payback.

I feel like the guy looking at one of those Magic Eye pictures, but cant seem to see the image, and wants to tell people that it is just a bunch of dots.. People keep talking about how great this series is and how he is such a good writer. But all I found was juvenile torture porn, food porn and porn porn.  Sometimes near entire chapters are copied and pasted (almost word for word) from book to book.  There is such blatant repetition, that I skipped two entire books (read 1, 2, then 5) and I didn't miss a single key event since the main scenes were reprinted wholecloth. No identifiiable unifying story line (at least not one you are given a reason to give a damn about).  Are these books about the iron throne and who gets it?  If so, what difference does it make (none)?

If the television show is good, it must take great liberties with the crap it is derived from.


8/10...well done, you had me until that bold'd bit.
 
2013-03-22 02:20:05 PM

Magorn: Westeros is basically northern Erupoe around the time of the War of the Roses, the Bravosi have a culture analgous to the Itallian Rennaisance city-states, and the Dothraki ARE the mongols more or less. All of those folks co-existed at the same time in real life, so why is it so strange to see them on screen together?


Westeros is very much moddled on Britain with the Wall being the Scottish boarder (and the wildlings Scotts), the north Lancashire (spit), Yorkshire and Cumbria, the neck is the fens etc. The only place that stands out is Dorne as its far too dry and warm to be any part of England (Cornwall is much warmer than the rest of England but is wetter than Dorne).

That does make the Lanasters Welsh (and explains the chip on their shoulders).
 
2013-03-22 02:21:54 PM

PizzaJedi81: jpallan: FTA:
"Mark Zuckerberg reportedly held a Game of Thrones-themed barbecue serving goat and 'obscure animal parts' last year."

Clearly, Mr. Zuckerberg had not read the fourth book in the series.  If he had, he'd realise that "roast goat" has a double meaning in A Song of Ice and Fire.

Not having read the 4th book yet, I'm guessing it's something like Long Pork? Also: Shagga approves!

As to the show: Only seen the first season, and even that I'm not done with, but there seems to be quite a bit more sex in the show than the books. Am I wrong?


SNL had a profound explanation for this:
http://vimeo.com/42163429
 
2013-03-22 02:23:27 PM

Tricky Chicken: If the television show is good, it must take great liberties with the crap it is derived from.


We are all really grateful that you took time from your busy schedule to come in here and tell us to stop liking what you don't like.
 
2013-03-22 02:33:24 PM

Tricky Chicken: If the television show is good, it must take great liberties with the crap it is derived from.


It cuts out a lot of pointless crap, yes. The benefit of TV & a budget means you can't go too deep into lamprey pie because CGI is expensive.

/Also, boobies.
 
2013-03-22 02:50:34 PM
What is 'why do people attend a GWAR concert', Alex?
 
2013-03-22 02:53:03 PM

Norfolking Chance: Magorn: Westeros is basically northern Erupoe around the time of the War of the Roses, the Bravosi have a culture analgous to the Itallian Rennaisance city-states, and the Dothraki ARE the mongols more or less. All of those folks co-existed at the same time in real life, so why is it so strange to see them on screen together?

Westeros is very much moddled on Britain with the Wall being the Scottish boarder (and the wildlings Scotts), the north Lancashire (spit), Yorkshire and Cumbria, the neck is the fens etc. The only place that stands out is Dorne as its far too dry and warm to be any part of England (Cornwall is much warmer than the rest of England but is wetter than Dorne).

That does make the Lanasters Welsh (and explains the chip on their shoulders).


Makes sense since it's based off Ivanhoe and the War of the Roses, supposedly. Which I guess would make the Targaryens the Normans, with Starks and Lannisters as York and Lancaster respectively. Maybe you could think of Dorne as the Iberian peninsula, except not Muslim. And what about the Greyjoys? Ireland? The Channel Islands? The Hebrides? Oh, I know! Pirates of Penzance!

Khal Drogo et al are Mongolian, more or less, right? And I guess all these independent cities Daenerys was attacking could be analogous to the city-states around the Med and in Italy. It's been too long since I read it to get any more specific than that, but it does help me figure it out to think of it that way.
 
2013-03-22 02:58:15 PM
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Hot chicks drinking
 
2013-03-22 02:58:51 PM

eynonmcwanker: Tricky Chicken:
...yeah, I guess I am bitter. I guess it has become a personal quest to trash this hack and his tripe at every opportunity.  I got duped into wasting far too many hours of my life reading his crap, and I feel like I deserve some payback.

I feel like the guy looking at one of those Magic Eye pictures, but cant seem to see the image, and wants to tell people that it is just a bunch of dots.. People keep talking about how great this series is and how he is such a good writer. But all I found was juvenile torture porn, food porn and porn porn.  Sometimes near entire chapters are copied and pasted (almost word for word) from book to book.  There is such blatant repetition, that I skipped two entire books (read 1, 2, then 5) and I didn't miss a single key event since the main scenes were reprinted wholecloth. No identifiiable unifying story line (at least not one you are given a reason to give a damn about).  Are these books about the iron throne and who gets it?  If so, what difference does it make (none)?

If the television show is good, it must take great liberties with the crap it is derived from.

8/10...well done, you had me until that bold'd bit.


What did I miss in books 2 and 3 that isn't covered in book 5?  The red wedding? It is covered.  The fighting beyond the wall? Covered.  He frequently revisits how he killed off main characters.  He even gives a summary of what happened to Danerys on the interim.

I skipped books 2 and 3 to see if he would deliver a story to go with his setting. He didn't.  But what shocked me, was that I found that even after skipping two entire books, I didn't miss a thing.  Not one event was so key that you would miss it bu skipping those two books since he retells the same crap.
 
2013-03-22 03:09:16 PM

phyrkrakr: Norfolking Chance: Magorn: Westeros is basically northern Erupoe around the time of the War of the Roses, the Bravosi have a culture analgous to the Itallian Rennaisance city-states, and the Dothraki ARE the mongols more or less. All of those folks co-existed at the same time in real life, so why is it so strange to see them on screen together?

Westeros is very much moddled on Britain with the Wall being the Scottish boarder (and the wildlings Scotts), the north Lancashire (spit), Yorkshire and Cumbria, the neck is the fens etc. The only place that stands out is Dorne as its far too dry and warm to be any part of England (Cornwall is much warmer than the rest of England but is wetter than Dorne).

That does make the Lanasters Welsh (and explains the chip on their shoulders).

Makes sense since it's based off Ivanhoe and the War of the Roses, supposedly. Which I guess would make the Targaryens the Normans, with Starks and Lannisters as York and Lancaster respectively. Maybe you could think of Dorne as the Iberian peninsula, except not Muslim. And what about the Greyjoys? Ireland? The Channel Islands? The Hebrides? Oh, I know! Pirates of Penzance!

Khal Drogo et al are Mongolian, more or less, right? And I guess all these independent cities Daenerys was attacking could be analogous to the city-states around the Med and in Italy. It's been too long since I read it to get any more specific than that, but it does help me figure it out to think of it that way.


Targaryens are like Henry VII, who fled to France then returned at the head of an army to become king, if I recall my Richard IIIcorrectly. 

Khal Drogo is less Mongolian than Tamerlane, I think. And the cities Daenerys is conquering are loosely analogous to an arc between Samarkand and Egypt. Kinda/sorta. It IS fantasy, after all.
 
2013-03-22 03:10:40 PM

Egoy3k: Tricky Chicken: If the television show is good, it must take great liberties with the crap it is derived from.

We are all really grateful that you took time from your busy schedule to come in here and tell us to stop liking what you don't like.


Yes, I am being completely irrational.  But since I wasted so much time reading these pieces of crap, I feel like I earned the right to vent.  I feel like the guy that yelled that the emperor has no clothes.

Sure you are a fan, but why?

You can tell me it is because of the amazing character development, then I will point out a little girl that is stricken with guilt over accidentally killing a stable boy would never calculatedly slit the throat of a guard on night patrol just to run away (especially if she was so good at sneaking a few chapters earlier).

It can't be because of the gripping story, because there isn't one.  There are no consequences one way or another to this world who gets the iron throne. Is it the return of dragons? Because they've done fark all so far.  Is it about this ever coming winter? No clue so far.  Is it the walkers or the crap north of the wall? Those are just random events so far.

I have to correct myself, I skipped books 3 and 4 not 2 and 3.
 
2013-03-22 03:17:50 PM
Sorry guys, we all have to stop liking what Tricky Chicken doesn't like.
 
2013-03-22 03:26:55 PM

XMark: Sorry guys, we all have to stop liking what Tricky Chicken doesn't like.


Yes please, is that asking too much? Thanks a lot. You guys are the best.

The best part is that I actually have to live inside this head.
 
2013-03-22 04:00:21 PM

Magorn: Westeros is basically northern Erupoe around the time of the War of the Roses,  the Bravosi have a culture analgous to the Itallian Rennaisance  city-states, and the Dothraki ARE the mongols more or less.   All of those folks co-existed at the same time in real life, so why is it so strange to see them on screen together?


In fairness, the existence of a flourishing, tolerated Druidic religion in the Scotland/Dutch regional analogue doesn't really make much sense, nor does the existence of coherent Gaelic/Saxon bands in what would have been heavily Romanized germanic regions at the time.

So in all fairness you're still going to get a headache over the anachronism if you try to look at it as a direct historical analogy instead of "fantasy writers are lazy and loosely reference various now-extinct cultures in lieu of doing their own world-building" which is the actual case.  I don't think the situation is really coherent enough over the whole scope of the story to really try to draw justifications that tight, just accept that the space island jews can successfully coexist solely on the power of one central bank within spitting distance of the equivalent of viking reaver culture that considers burning shiat and taking the shiny stuff that's left to be the best of times and doesn't really value money for peaceful centuries before your head explodes.

Suspension of disbelief, yo.  Stop trying to rationalize, it'll only make it hurt more to really think about it.
 
2013-03-22 04:01:41 PM

Tricky Chicken: You can tell me it is because of the amazing character development, then I will point out a little girl that is stricken with guilt over accidentally killing a stable boy would never calculatedly slit the throat of a guard on night patrol just to run away (especially if she was so good at sneaking a few chapters earlier).



Honestly I don't care if you don't like the books I'm not going to continue defending them I don't care enough about it and I don't want to give spoilers but one point;

So you don't think that the neck deep river of blood and shiat that she waded though after that event would change her from the innocent girl who cried over the stable-boy into a killer? Was her constant recitation of a list of people to kill not an obvious enough clue as to her thoughts and feelings?
 
2013-03-22 04:01:55 PM
So it's a Ren faire after hours, then?

/Retired "boothie."
 
2013-03-22 04:06:12 PM
I got into this series *years* before the show and devoured the books. No, I did not notice repetition other than what was needed for reminding readers who did not re-read the books over and over before a new book came out. There are hundreds and hundreds of characters, and it is necessary for reminders so you get the full impact of the current scene. No, I did not notice *excessive* descriptions of food, just the amount necessary to get the full "flavor" (heh) of a scene and to deepen the experience of the story. No, I did not notice *excessive* sex/rape, whatever. In fact, there's actually less rape than one would typically expect in barbaric war times.

As for Arya being guilt stricken for killing the stable boy but okay with slitting a guard's throat, don't you think the extreme trauma she'd been through from the time she left King's Landing after her father and her mentor were killed all the way to being a captive and kitchen slave at the falling down castle, in the company of viscious, murderous beasts of men who had killed her protectors and some of her friends MIGHT have changed that little girl just a tiny, tiny bit? Don't you think that showing how she could do something like that would *demonstrate* that trauma and the changes she'd undergone? No, somehow it's "out of character"....
 
2013-03-22 04:09:15 PM

MrBonestripper: So it's a Ren faire after hours, then?

/Retired "boothie."


Put your ass to the window/ and your balls to the wall
If ye cannae get laid at (Your Faire Here) Faire
Ye cannae get laid at all
 
2013-03-22 04:12:55 PM

silvervial: I got into this series *years* before the show and devoured the books. No, I did not notice repetition other than what was needed for reminding readers who did not re-read the books over and over before a new book came out. There are hundreds and hundreds of characters, and it is necessary for reminders so you get the full impact of the current scene. No, I did not notice *excessive* descriptions of food, just the amount necessary to get the full "flavor" (heh) of a scene and to deepen the experience of the story. No, I did not notice *excessive* sex/rape, whatever. In fact, there's actually less rape than one would typically expect in barbaric war times.

As for Arya being guilt stricken for killing the stable boy but okay with slitting a guard's throat, don't you think the extreme trauma she'd been through from the time she left King's Landing after her father and her mentor were killed all the way to being a captive and kitchen slave at the falling down castle, in the company of viscious, murderous beasts of men who had killed her protectors and some of her friends MIGHT have changed that little girl just a tiny, tiny bit? Don't you think that showing how she could do something like that would *demonstrate* that trauma and the changes she'd undergone? No, somehow it's "out of character"....


that's actually, to me the whole fracking point of these books.  It's sort of a post modern re-telling of the classic high fantasy tropes.  Martin is pointing out that while wars of dynastic sucession SEEM really cool in the stories, in reality medieval warfare was an insanely brutal affair that was ALWAYS hell on the smallfolk and provided precious little glory for the "nobles"
 
2013-03-22 04:19:36 PM
Tricky Chicken:

My sister's a huge JRRM fan and tried to push the books on me for years.  I tried, honest to god, I tried, but I just could not get into it, especially knowing that I had 6 months worth of reading ahead of me at the pace I get free reading time.  I can't even commit to listening to November Rain all the way through, much less reading the Talmud for a made up world.

I watch the show, it's great.  Haven't finished S02 because...iunno, I don't love the show.

/SLSIDL cuts both ways.
 
2013-03-22 04:45:42 PM
I was expecting an article about Pennsic.
 
2013-03-22 04:55:15 PM

I don't know what is going on with this Game of Thrones thing, so I'll just wish you an early Happy Easter or Happy Passover and leave this human Easter Egg here:


images.sodahead.com

Oh, look. The Easter Bunny is here too!
 
2013-03-22 05:03:20 PM

I_Am_Weasel: [images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 245x287]

"I refuse to go to any Ren Faire until they have a Stimpy Faire"

- I_AM_Weasel.  Circa I-don't-remember.


I see what you did there.

/happy happy joy joy
 
2013-03-22 05:13:35 PM
You know why you can't see the dragons?

news.bbcimg.co.uk

Because their example ate them!
 
2013-03-22 05:58:42 PM
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I know we're all distracted by the girl on the left, but if you'll look at the middle image, you'll note that Dany is in front of armed soldiers. I don't recall this scene from the previous seasons, so this might be a scene showing Dany getting her army?

I dunno. I'm not a huge nerd when it comes to this show/book series. I love the show, don't get me wrong, but I haven't memorized every scene.
 
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