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2013-03-22 11:34:53 AM
Remember this whenever you buy herbal supplements.

If they actually did what they said they did, you wouldn't be buying them at GNC.
 
2013-03-22 11:43:19 AM
SuperPower's list of ingredients includes a bunch of Asian herbs like "semen ziziphi spinosae"

What a Ziziphi Spinosae might look like:
cdn2-b.examiner.com
 
2013-03-22 01:06:05 PM
Yeah, that can cause some dangerous side effects when mixed with nitrates.

/and putting people's eyes out.
 
2013-03-22 01:13:58 PM
Can't have anyone actually competing with Big Pharma, can we.
 
2013-03-22 01:15:51 PM
Gentlemen performing themselves dizzy!
 
2013-03-22 01:18:47 PM
FTA: "Super Power simply isn't allowed to have any actual drugs in it"

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2013-03-22 01:18:57 PM
Still no herbal remedy that lowers women's narcissism. Science fail.
 
2013-03-22 01:19:14 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Can't have anyone actually competing with Big Pharma, can we.


I'm more on the side of "can't be selling pharmaceuticals labeled as herbs that may seriously hurt or kill certain people."

/ Potatoe Potahtoe
 
2013-03-22 01:19:54 PM

impaler: Remember this whenever you buy herbal supplements.

If they actually did what they said they did, you wouldn't be buying them at GNC.


Many herbal supplements do precisely what they claim to do. But don't learn about them from you local herb store whacko. Consult a real herbalist. A lot of doctors these days are referring their patients to herbalist for alternatives to patent medicines. Treatment for benign prostatic hypertrophy is a case in point. Studies have shown that a standardized extract of saw palmetto berries is much more effective in treating BPH than the prescription drug Proscar. It's safer too.
 
2013-03-22 01:24:07 PM
I'm still awfully fuzzy on how we ended up with laws that say "we can strictly regulate the food you eat and make sure it's healthy, and we have absolutely control over how drugs are made to ensure they are both safe and effective, but if you market your snake oil as a "nutritional supplement" you can make any claims you want about it and it can be as deadly as you want and we can't say boo"
 
2013-03-22 01:28:06 PM
Since evey drug commercial ends with, may cause a stroke, heart attack or death. I'll stick with the fake stuff.
 
2013-03-22 01:28:34 PM
Oooops, how did THAT get in there?


/that's what HE said....

//would have been a cool headline, used it when i shared it to facebook
 
2013-03-22 01:28:54 PM
So the mojo pill actually contained mojo.  Clearly the FDA cannot permit the unlicensed distribution of the pompatus of love.  Not when there's billions of dollars to be made.
 
2013-03-22 01:29:25 PM
Thanks Obama.
 
2013-03-22 01:30:33 PM

Magorn: I'm still awfully fuzzy on how we ended up with laws that say "we can strictly regulate the food you eat and make sure it's healthy, and we have absolutely control over how drugs are made to ensure they are both safe and effective, but if you market your snake oil as a "nutritional supplement" you can make any claims you want about it and it can be as deadly as you want and we can't say boo"


The drug regulation is based on manufactured chemicals vs. naturally occurring herbs.

Which can be combined in proprietary blends, the ratios of which can be kept secret, but you still have to list the ingredients. This is why they are enforced as foods.

Drug-manufacturers don't have to reveal the secret recipe for their magic chemicals not directly available in nature, which is why regulation is different.

/ Come on. You know this stuff.
 
2013-03-22 01:35:08 PM

Pangea: AverageAmericanGuy: Can't have anyone actually competing with Big Pharma, can we.

I'm more on the side of "can't be selling pharmaceuticals labeled as herbs that may seriously hurt or kill certain people."

/ Potatoe Potahtoe




I didn't know we had an erection-death epidemic.

Thanks for the warning.
 
2013-03-22 01:40:08 PM
So, this is the thread where I get to say "Thanks a lot, Orren Hatch, you dumb fark!"

Again.

Mrs. Nuisance gets a feed from the FDA of their announcements of dangerous and fraudulent products.  The "supplements" industry gets one almost every day.

see: http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/ResourcesForYou/Consumers/BuyingUsingMedicin e Safely/MedicationHealthFraud/default.htm

Not sure how one would sign up for the emails, I imagine it's on the page somewhere.
 
2013-03-22 01:46:50 PM

Pangea: Magorn: I'm still awfully fuzzy on how we ended up with laws that say "we can strictly regulate the food you eat and make sure it's healthy, and we have absolutely control over how drugs are made to ensure they are both safe and effective, but if you market your snake oil as a "nutritional supplement" you can make any claims you want about it and it can be as deadly as you want and we can't say boo"

The drug regulation is based on manufactured chemicals vs. naturally occurring herbs.

Which can be combined in proprietary blends, the ratios of which can be kept secret, but you still have to list the ingredients. This is why they are enforced as foods.

Drug-manufacturers don't have to reveal the secret recipe for their magic chemicals not directly available in nature, which is why regulation is different.

/ Come on. You know this stuff.


I know that part, which makes sense, but no matter the rationale the Nutritional Supplement loophole creates the exact problem that the Pure Food and Drug Act was designed to fix:  Scam-artists selling "patent medicines" that often don't do what they claim at best, and are downright dangerous at worst.   IF the FDA can't regulate this stuff, then the FTC needs to, or the CPSC, but somebody needs to be riding herd on this
 
2013-03-22 01:47:25 PM
New Jersey-based Freedom Trading wrote the book on this subject

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2013-03-22 01:50:26 PM

Pangea: Which can be combined in proprietary blends, the ratios of which can be kept secret, but you still have to list the ingredients. This is why they are enforced as foods.


Not even close.

see: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/06/22/orrin-hatch-the-suppleme n t-industrys-lap/

Pangea: Drug-manufacturers don't have to reveal the secret recipe for their magic chemicals not directly available in nature, which is why regulation is different.


Laughably false.  The formulas for drugs, complete with diagrams of their chemical composition are included in every Prescribing (or Product) Information pamphlet that comes with every prescription drug dispensed.

Since we're talking about Viagra, here's its Product Information pamphlet:  http://www.biopsychiatry.com/sildenafil-viagra.pdf

Oooh, so secret!
 
2013-03-22 01:50:52 PM
Pangea:
The drug regulation is based on manufactured chemicals vs. naturally occurring herbs.

Which can be combined in proprietary blends, the ratios of which can be kept secret, but you still have to list the ingredients. This is why they are enforced as foods.

Drug-manufacturers don't have to reveal the secret recipe for their magic chemicals not directly available in nature, which is why regulation is different.


/Yea, except CANNABIS!
 
2013-03-22 01:51:17 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Pangea: AverageAmericanGuy: Can't have anyone actually competing with Big Pharma, can we.

I'm more on the side of "can't be selling pharmaceuticals labeled as herbs that may seriously hurt or kill certain people."

/ Potatoe Potahtoe

I didn't know we had an erection-death epidemic.

Thanks for the warning.



The problem is that it can interact with certain heart medication, resulting in dangerously low blood pressure. People on that medication know not to take Viagra. This "herbal" remedy contains a drug that can kill those people.
 
2013-03-22 01:52:08 PM
And yes, I know the man's name is spelt "Orrin".

Management regrets the error.
 
2013-03-22 01:58:36 PM

Deucednuisance: Since we're talking about Viagra, here's its Product Information pamphlet:  http://www.biopsychiatry.com/sildenafil-viagra.pdf

Oooh, so secret!



Knowing the chemical structure of a finished compound is not the same as having the knowledge and capability to produce it.

You're being obtuse on purpose. It's not even clear what you're arguing for. Should we regulate everything or regulate nothing?

Mothers who chose Thalidomide over Marijuana await your response with bated breath.
 
2013-03-22 01:59:05 PM
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2013-03-22 01:59:38 PM

Magorn: I'm still awfully fuzzy on how we ended up with laws that say "we can strictly regulate the food you eat and make sure it's healthy, and we have absolutely control over how drugs are made to ensure they are both safe and effective, but if you market your snake oil as a "nutritional supplement" you can make any claims you want about it and it can be as deadly as you want and we can't say boo"


Blame Sen. Orrin Hatch.

"In 1994, Hatch co-wrote a law with Senator Tom Harkin that outlined how dietary supplements are regulated. Utah, Hatch's home state, is considered the "Silicon Valley" of the supplement industry. When the FDA was reviewing the adverse effects of ephedra in 1999, Hatch questioned the scientific basis of the some of agency's recommendations."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orrin_Hatch#Controversy
 
2013-03-22 02:07:41 PM

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Approves.
 
2013-03-22 02:18:54 PM

Pangea: You're being obtuse on purpose.


Not at all.

You're implying some level of nefarious secrecy in drug composition.

I'm saying its public knowledge and is put directly in the hands of the consumer.

Pangea: It's not even clear what you're arguing for.


I'm arguing for not saying things that are patently false.

Pangea: Should we regulate everything or regulate nothing?


Why would asking you to be more accurate prompt you to invite me to engage in a false dichotomy?

But for the record, I am for more regulation of the supplements industry, as they have a sordid history of adulteration and outright fraud, as evidenced by my FDA link, above.

But at least you spelled "bated" correctly.
 
2013-03-22 02:28:29 PM

Pangea: AverageAmericanGuy: Can't have anyone actually competing with Big Pharma, can we.

I'm more on the side of "can't be selling pharmaceuticals labeled as herbs that may seriously hurt or kill certain people."

/ Potatoe Potahtoe


A trace amount isn't going to do squat.
 
2013-03-22 02:46:19 PM
If you have an errection lasting more than 4 hrs you run risk of turning into a zombie.

Incorrect viagra use could trigger the next zombie apocalypse.

The movies only show zombies going after brains because the censors won't let them pursue booty.

Zombies don't want brains... they want arse.
 
2013-03-22 02:51:01 PM
www.shawnsmallstories.com
 
2013-03-22 03:12:17 PM
It's probably a lot harder to sue if something goes wrong. Company will just fold and drop off the map with some of these things.

I hear you have to watch those "supplements". So ummm a friend of mine tried one of those one time, to keep goin with a threesome with a lot of booze, I don't know what was in it, crystal meth and some herbs or something. oh it worked beyond what one needs. I, I mean he didn't sleep for over 48hrs straight after the effects wore off from the main purpose. There is no way that was a safe and healthy natural product to take.
 
2013-03-22 03:51:27 PM
So, there really was such a thing as H3R84L VI49r4?
 
2013-03-22 04:02:57 PM
Too bad they told us about this two months after the fact.
 
2013-03-22 04:17:09 PM

Pangea: Deucednuisance: Since we're talking about Viagra, here's its Product Information pamphlet:  http://www.biopsychiatry.com/sildenafil-viagra.pdf

Oooh, so secret!

Knowing the chemical structure of a finished compound is not the same as having the knowledge and capability to produce it.

You're being obtuse on purpose. It's not even clear what you're arguing for. Should we regulate everything or regulate nothing?

Mothers who chose Thalidomide over Marijuana await your response with bated breath.


I'm not a huge fan of big pharma and the FDA, but that is a bad example.  Thalidomide was never approved in the US for pregnant women because the FDA blocked it, pending further study.  Most thalidomide deformities happened outside the US for this reason.
 
2013-03-22 04:56:48 PM

uncleacid: Since evey drug commercial ends with, may cause a stroke, heart attack or death. I'll stick with the fake stuff.


The fake stuff causes way more strokes, heart attacks, and death per use.  You don't hear as much about them because not as many people take them.
 
2013-03-22 05:10:10 PM

BarkingUnicorn: A trace amount isn't going to do squat.


Then here, take this "trace amount" of ricin. C'mon, it's only a few micrograms.
 
2013-03-22 06:06:21 PM
So it comes down to me, I guess, to point out that this is one of those times that the Ironic tag would have been perfect....

/It's like Viiiiiiagraaaaaaaaaa
 
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