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(Politico)   DoD delaying furlough notices because Congress actually did something with the budget   (politico.com) divider line 8
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2013-03-22 12:10:40 PM
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willfullyobscure: My honest opinion is that the DoD should slash its giant boondoggles like ships and subs and that retarded jet plane and triple spending on research and civilian infrastructure instead. Stop lining Boeing's pockets and build us some roads, bridges and science fictiony nanotech stuff and put it all in the public domain


Problem is, congress is insisting they keep these programs open. Congress apparently also wrote into the budget passed yesterday that the Post Office has to continue with 6 days of letter delivery.
2013-03-22 10:03:14 AM
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willfullyobscure: Hey, I'm not a big fan of kicking you guys off your taxpayer gravy train, believe me. I know how DC works, you guys hit the jackpot, kudos.


Yeah, because DoD civilians aren't taxpayers too, and they don't pump one cent into the economy  - they just suckle at the taxpayer's teat and do nothing 40 hours a week for big sweet tax-free paychecks!

My honest opinion is that the DoD should slash its giant boondoggles like ships and subs and that retarded jet plane and triple spending on research and civilian infrastructure instead. Stop lining Boeing's pockets and build us some roads, bridges and science fictiony nanotech stuff and put it all in the public domain.

Agree completely there.  The Army has flat out said it doesn't want the tanks Congress insists they need, and Air Force pilots don't want the F-22s.  These two things alone would save many billions of dollars.
2013-03-22 09:55:58 AM
2 votes:

Gonz: Where wolf: Jobber8742: somedude210: VoodooTaco: willfullyobscure: farking DoD is cuts that should be made. meanwhile farking Head Start kids are having to stay home and Meals on Wheels is cutting food to the elderly. farking farkheaded farkfaced farkers

DoD should be cut.  But not by furloughing everyone 20-25% (real effect on gross takehome pay), and not by reducing every single program by 9%.  That's just retarded.

/dod civilian
//smurfing smurfheaded smurfaced smurfers

THIS

/also DoD civilian


Also This.

/Also DoD civilian

Also this

/Contractor, but I'll be the one picking up the extra day of work when they start shutting down every Friday.

Also this.

//Contractor, the DOD civilians I work with are going to a 4-day weekend every other week, which I think is a smart way to handle it.


Hey, I'm not a big fan of kicking you guys off your taxpayer gravy train, believe me. I know how DC works, you guys hit the jackpot, kudos. The HeadStart and Meals thing just makes me really mad.

My honest opinion is that the DoD should slash its giant boondoggles like ships and subs and that retarded jet plane and triple spending on research and civilian infrastructure instead. Stop lining Boeing's pockets and build us some roads, bridges and science fictiony nanotech stuff and put it all in the public domain.
2013-03-22 08:42:06 AM
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somedude210: hiker9999: /Halfway surprised that Congress didn't flat out just take the other agencies budgets and give them to DOD wholesale.

the funny thing is, if given the choice of accepting it or not, the DoD probably would give the money back. They know how inflated they are and want to cut stuff from them but Congress insists upon keeping it.

Congress is the problem, DoD is just the result of said problem


I don't care what you want...that plane engine is built in my district. So you'll f*cking take it and like it.
2013-03-22 08:31:22 AM
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hiker9999: /Halfway surprised that Congress didn't flat out just take the other agencies budgets and give them to DOD wholesale.


the funny thing is, if given the choice of accepting it or not, the DoD probably would give the money back. They know how inflated they are and want to cut stuff from them but Congress insists upon keeping it.

Congress is the problem, DoD is just the result of said problem
2013-03-22 03:59:17 PM
1 votes:

willfullyobscure: I've been involved in procurements and seen the whole sector up close and personal.


You're comparing apples and... galvanized buckets. I don't think there's a person who's been involved with anything DoD for more than a month who won't say "wow, the procurement system is inefficient and overly expensive". The perfect piece of military hardware in 2013 is not one that saves American servicemembers' lives, nor is it one that kills the enemy more effectively and efficiently. Instead, it's an item where some aspect of the manufacture exists in 435 Congressional districts.

But we're not talking about that. And these furloughs won't fix that. What these will do is affect the income of people who work at regular jobs, just for the DoD. I'm a freaking SysAdmin, for example. I work for the DoD because it's a lot more cost effective to pay me an annual salary than it is to have a Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine sitting in my chair, where the government is on the hook for their pay, benefits, training, healthcare... the whole 9 yards. My computers are going to be administered by someone, and I'm the cheapest option.

Complaining about procurement while talking about these furloughs? It's kind of like saying that you're going to fix the problems with the price of gas by having the guy at the convenient store work fewer hours. Yes, on the one hand, from a purely economic standpoint, it's true- cutting those hours will lower the cost of a salary, which will in turn lower the industry's overall operating expenses, which should result in slightly lower consumer prices. On the other hand, it's doing nothing to address the root causes of the issue, it's short-sighted (because nothing breaks after hours or on the weekend), and it's an overall negative impact on the economy as a whole.
2013-03-22 09:04:44 AM
1 votes:

VoodooTaco: DoD should be cut. But not by furloughing everyone 20-25% (real effect on gross takehome pay), and not by reducing every single program by 9%. That's just retarded.


The House directs how money is spent.  Write a strongly worded letter to your Representative.Too bad the House of Representatives is headed by a drunk and controlled by a bunch of reactionary myopic children.
2013-03-22 08:30:33 AM
1 votes:
farking DoD is cuts that should be made. meanwhile farking Head Start kids are having to stay home and Meals on Wheels is cutting food to the elderly. farking farkheaded farkfaced farkers
 
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