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2013-03-22 08:25:11 AM  
Only true Scotsmen get to vote.
 
2013-03-22 08:27:59 AM  
Probably won't happen, but if it did, I'd probably go for dual US/Scottish citizenship so I could have a tartan passport.
 
2013-03-22 08:27:59 AM  
And what's England going to do if Scotland decides to secede?

They aren't known for taking secession lightly. They typically lose, but it's a bloody battle.
 
2013-03-22 08:28:13 AM  
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2013-03-22 08:30:54 AM  
It's shiatE being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the farking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete assholes. It's a shiatE state of affairs to be in, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any farking difference!
 
2013-03-22 08:34:37 AM  
Alex Salmond's current thoughts: "Ohshiatohshiatohshiatohshiatohshiatohshiatohshiatohshiatohshiatohshiat..." (repeats until September 18th 2014).

/arc of prosperity
 
2013-03-22 08:34:46 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: And what's England going to do if Scotland decides to secede?

They aren't known for taking secession lightly. They typically lose, but it's a bloody battle.


We will say don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
2013-03-22 08:34:54 AM  
If it's not Scottish, it's CRRRRAP!
 
2013-03-22 08:35:17 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: And what's England going to do if Scotland decides to secede?

They aren't known for taking secession lightly. They typically lose, but it's a bloody battle.


Considering the English have a history of using the Scotish to fight their battles, not much.

Maybe they can get the Canucks and Aussies to come and bash some Scotch skull.
 
2013-03-22 08:35:48 AM  
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Skinink?   I don't think he's right in the head.
 
2013-03-22 08:36:49 AM  
So if they chose not too, do they get land and titles in exchange?
 
2013-03-22 08:38:26 AM  
I consider Edinburgh to be one of the best cities on the planet.  Definitely in the UK.
 
2013-03-22 08:42:24 AM  
Will be there when the revolution comes, if they can get out of the elevator:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-22 08:42:33 AM  

Hoisted By My Own Retard: AverageAmericanGuy: And what's England going to do if Scotland decides to secede?

They aren't known for taking secession lightly. They typically lose, but it's a bloody battle.

Considering the English have a history of using the Scotish to fight their battles, not much.

Maybe they can get the Canucks and Aussies to come and bash some Scotch skull.


Do some research on family backgrounds. Not so sure about the Aussies, but Canucks are practically Scottish themselves. They like curling, drinking and bagpipe music. Nuff said.
 
2013-03-22 08:44:52 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: And what's England going to do if Scotland decides to secede?

They aren't known for taking secession lightly. They typically lose, but it's a bloody battle.


Yes, we all remember the Anglo-Canadian war, the Anglo-Australian war, the Anglo-New-Zealand war and the 1997 war with China over Hong Kong.
 
2013-03-22 08:45:24 AM  
i512.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-22 08:45:55 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: If it's not Scottish, it's CRRRRAP!


Sometimes if it is Scottish, it's CRAP too!

/still cannae fap to this
 
2013-03-22 08:47:05 AM  
If it happens, maybe England will build Elizabeth's wall to keep them out.

kradio: Probably won't happen, but if it did, I'd probably go for dual US/Scottish citizenship so I could have a tartan passport.


I've been eligible for dual US/Irish citizenship all my life, I've just never pursued it.
 
2013-03-22 08:47:08 AM  
Does this mean that Sean Connery will finally move back and start paying taxes?
 
2013-03-22 08:48:45 AM  
cynicalbastard:Do some research on family backgrounds. Not so sure about the Aussies, but Canucks are practically Scottish themselves. They like curling, drinking and bagpipe music. Nuff said.

Wonder how politeness got into the mix. Ever been cursed at by a Scotsman? You will hear vowel sounds found nowhere else in human language. I'm pretty sure some of it is actually the Black Speech of Mordor in reverse.

Add in the French influence, and you'd think Canadians would be the rudest people on the planet.
 
2013-03-22 08:49:02 AM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: AverageAmericanGuy: And what's England going to do if Scotland decides to secede?

They aren't known for taking secession lightly. They typically lose, but it's a bloody battle.

Yes, we all remember the Anglo-Canadian war, the Anglo-Australian war, the Anglo-New-Zealand war and the 1997 war with China over Hong Kong.


But do you remember Northern Ireland, the United States of America, India?
 
2013-03-22 08:49:16 AM  

skinink: It's shiatE being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the farking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete assholes. It's a shiatE state of affairs to be in, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any farking difference!


I love that so much. Junkies in nature.
 
2013-03-22 08:51:53 AM  

Norfolking Chance: We will say don't let the door hit you on the way out.


If the English had any sense they'd secede first and lumber us Scots with the Norn Airish.
 
2013-03-22 08:53:11 AM  
Why do Scotsmen wear kilts?
 
2013-03-22 08:54:22 AM  
An independent Scotland is about as viable as an independent Quebec, perhaps even less so.

BTW, can a UK Farker explain to me how it's justified that Scotland gets its own parliament PLUS MP's in Westminster, but the English people just have the single assembly to represent them?  Do Scottish MP's excuse themselves from votes on England-specific matters? Or do they get to vote on those too, like any other MP?

/Canadian of mongrel Scottish/English/French descent
 
2013-03-22 08:54:39 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: And what's England going to do if Scotland decides to secede?

They aren't known for taking secession lightly. They typically lose, but it's a bloody battle.


Borrow this guy from across the Pond:

www.sfmuseum.net
 
2013-03-22 08:54:43 AM  
I once told a Scot friend of mine he could repay a small debt next time we met. I haven't seen him in years.
 
2013-03-22 08:56:18 AM  

Gortex: BTW, can a UK Farker explain to me how it's justified that Scotland gets its own parliament PLUS MP's in Westminster, but the English people just have the single assembly to represent them? Do Scottish MP's excuse themselves from votes on England-specific matters? Or do they get to vote on those too, like any other MP?


The Scottish parliament deals with "local" issues.
 
2013-03-22 08:57:06 AM  
Well... if they left, then they feasibly could be kicked out of the EU as well, then there would be no welfare to keep them going and they would slowly collapse on themselves like a flan on a cupboard...
 
2013-03-22 08:57:19 AM  
blogs.telegraph.co.uk

Oor new Queen, lads, ken. Ye ne'er seen a lassie as braw as Suan Boyle in a' ae Scotland, ken.
 
2013-03-22 08:59:54 AM  

Gortex: An independent Scotland is about as viable as an independent Quebec, perhaps even less so.

BTW, can a UK Farker explain to me how it's justified that Scotland gets its own parliament PLUS MP's in Westminster, but the English people just have the single assembly to represent them?  Do Scottish MP's excuse themselves from votes on England-specific matters? Or do they get to vote on those too, like any other MP?

/Canadian of mongrel Scottish/English/French descent


Mainly because the Scottish and Welsh were mainly Labour voters and the Labour party was in power at the time. Blatent vote buying. The English don't get an assembly because the MPs don't want to sign away any more power than they have to.

So Scottish and Welsh MP's can and do vote on matters that are English only but English MPs can't vote on Scottish and Welsh matters. Just the sort of anti-democratic rubbish you would expect from Blair, Brown and their cronies (most of whom are still at the top of the Labour party currently).
 
2013-03-22 09:00:13 AM  

Copper Spork: Gortex: BTW, can a UK Farker explain to me how it's justified that Scotland gets its own parliament PLUS MP's in Westminster, but the English people just have the single assembly to represent them? Do Scottish MP's excuse themselves from votes on England-specific matters? Or do they get to vote on those too, like any other MP?

The Scottish parliament deals with "local" issues.


Umm...I thought that was a given. But how do local issues for England get dealt with? Do only the English MP's in Westminster vote on them, or does the whole Parliament do so? (E.g. the members from England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, etc., even though it's an England-only matter)
 
2013-03-22 09:01:58 AM  
AverageAmericanGuy:

But do you remember Northern Ireland, the United States of America, India?

I don't think anyone remembers the American Revolution.
 
2013-03-22 09:06:09 AM  

GungFu: [blogs.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]

Oor new Queen, lads, ken. Ye ne'er seen a lassie as braw as Suan Boyle in a' ae Scotland, ken.


No no.

upload.wikimedia.org

Now THAT'S more like it.
 
2013-03-22 09:06:12 AM  

Wade_Wilson: cynicalbastard:Do some research on family backgrounds. Not so sure about the Aussies, but Canucks are practically Scottish themselves. They like curling, drinking and bagpipe music. Nuff said.

Wonder how politeness got into the mix. Ever been cursed at by a Scotsman? You will hear vowel sounds found nowhere else in human language. I'm pretty sure some of it is actually the Black Speech of Mordor in reverse.

Add in the French influence, and you'd think Canadians would be the rudest people on the planet.


I dunno about you, but my time in Scotland and time spent with Scottish people visiting Nova Scotia I always found the Scots to be among the politest and friendliest folks on the planet.
 
2013-03-22 09:06:23 AM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: I don't think anyone remembers the American Revolution.


There's certainly a sliver of the American populace that don't remember it with any accuracy.

images.sodahead.com
Yeah, I don't remember Material Defenders in the Revolutionary War.
 
2013-03-22 09:07:52 AM  

Copper Spork: Gortex: BTW, can a UK Farker explain to me how it's justified that Scotland gets its own parliament PLUS MP's in Westminster, but the English people just have the single assembly to represent them? Do Scottish MP's excuse themselves from votes on England-specific matters? Or do they get to vote on those too, like any other MP?

The Scottish parliament deals with "local" issues.


So it's not altogether unlike the US system with congress and state legislatures? Except there's only four states, England, Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland. With one massively more populous than the others. So it's like California, Rhode Island, Wyoming and North Dakota.
 
2013-03-22 09:07:55 AM  

Gortex: BTW, can a UK Farker explain to me how it's justified that Scotland gets its own parliament PLUS MP's in Westminster, but the English people just have the single assembly to represent them?  Do Scottish MP's excuse themselves from votes on England-specific matters? Or do they get to vote on those too, like any other MP?


It's an anomaly o fthe current system, often known as the West Lothian Question, because Tam Dalyell, who was MP for West Lothian, used to ask "Why can I vote on matters to do with education in West Bromwich while my counterpart in West Bromwich can't vote on matters to do with education in West Lothian?"

The standard Scottish answer is that that is a matter for the people of England. Nobody here would care if Scottish MPs lost the vote on England-only matters, and indeed the SNP MPs never vote on such things, as a matter of principle.

One big problem is that it could lead to instability in Westminster if two different parties had majorities there for England-only and UK-wide matters.
 
2013-03-22 09:09:15 AM  

Copper Spork: The Scottish parliament deals with "local" issues almost everything except fiscal policy, defence, most taxation and constitutional matters.

 
2013-03-22 09:10:16 AM  

Gortex: Umm...I thought that was a given. But how do local issues for England get dealt with? Do only the English MP's in Westminster vote on them, or does the whole Parliament do so? (E.g. the members from England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, etc., even though it's an England-only matter)


Local issues for England get dealt with by local and county Councils.
 
2013-03-22 09:10:56 AM  

Pontious Pilates: So it's not altogether unlike the US system with congress and state legislatures? Except there's only four states, England, Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland. With one massively more populous than the others. So it's like California, Rhode Island, Wyoming and North Dakota.


More or less, but you have to imagine that the California legislature doubled up as the federal one, with the addition of a small number of politicians from RI, WY and ND.
 
2013-03-22 09:11:39 AM  

Wade_Wilson: GungFu: [blogs.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]

Oor new Queen, lads, ken. Ye ne'er seen a lassie as braw as Suan Boyle in a' ae Scotland, ken.

No no.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x286]

Now THAT'S more like it.


Another hideous Scot
i414.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-22 09:12:35 AM  
Ahh, that's what this thread needs.   Hot Scottish women.
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www.parbolddouglasmusic.org
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2013-03-22 09:13:02 AM  

Hoisted By My Own Retard: AverageAmericanGuy: And what's England going to do if Scotland decides to secede?

They aren't known for taking secession lightly. They typically lose, but it's a bloody battle.

Considering the English have a history of using the Scotish to fight their battles, not much.

Maybe they can get the Canucks and Aussies to come and bash some Scotch skull.


If history serves, they'll get the scots to fight themselves.  1745 was just as much a scot on scot affair as it was a Scotish-English dustup.  Heck, if memory serves the MacKintosh clan head was a company commander in the Black Watch.  His wife raised units for the Jacobites.  (That's me clan! - gonna be on the winnin' side no matter what!).  Got his ass captured at the battle of Prestonpans and was turned over to his wife.
 
2013-03-22 09:14:49 AM  

Copper Spork: Local issues for England get dealt with by local and county Councils.


Those are very local issues, and we have local councils in Scotland to deal with them too. The Scottish Parliament deals with areas such as health (NHS Scotland), transport and education.

Scotland is run, in order of importance, by the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh, the European Parliament in Brussels and the UK Parliament in London. Why the SNP wishes to ditch only the least important of these is a good question, as is their theory that Scotland requires more fiscal autonomy and should therefore join the Euro. Because that has worked out so well for Greece, Cyprus, Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Italy ...

/heart say yes
/head says waaaaaaaait a minute
 
2013-03-22 09:16:21 AM  
If this means I can more easily get a direct flight to Edinburgh from the US I'm all for it.
 
2013-03-22 09:16:38 AM  
Ahh yes and then bonnie Prince Charline went running off to sky wearing a maid's dress.

Mull was astern, Rùm to the port,
Eigg on the starboard bow.
Glory of youth glowed in his soul,
Where is that glory now?
 
2013-03-22 09:17:06 AM  
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Pro tip - don't GIS "Ripped Willy"
 
2013-03-22 09:17:13 AM  

MadHatter500: If history serves, they'll get the scots to fight themselves.  1745 was just as much a scot on scot affair as it was a Scotish-English dustup.


More Scots fought for the Hanoverians at Culloden than fought for Bonnie Prince Charlie. Enlightenment Scotland was not terribly keen on being put under martial law by the northern savages on behalf of the foppish scion of a line of thuggish dictators.
 
2013-03-22 09:18:02 AM  
www.erasofelegance.com

Prima Nocte. If we can't get them out, we breed them out.
 
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