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(The Atlantic)   Today's reason why the Steubenville rape case happened, why the media wasn't properly outraged enough: there aren't enough girls playing high school football   (theatlantic.com) divider line 163
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2013-03-22 08:42:25 AM
The reason it happened is because the boys had shiatty parents who didn't teach them that RAPE IS A BAD THING.
 
2013-03-22 09:22:25 AM
Pretty sure the reason it happened was that the offenders were rapist douchebags who need to spend the next 20+ years in jail pondering what they should(n't) have done with their lives.
 
2013-03-22 09:22:25 AM
The real reason: Ohio.
 
2013-03-22 09:23:44 AM
The first girl that gets paralyzed will end that experiment.

Yes, I know it happens to males and football still exists but schools are starting to get quite nervous about it.
 
2013-03-22 09:23:55 AM

SilentStrider: The reason it happened is because the boys had shiatty parents who didn't teach them that RAPE IS A BAD THING.


But they had such bright futures! Then that drunken slut ruined everything by seducing those innocent jocks.

/Seriously, though, fark every single person who defends those rapist scum.
 
2013-03-22 09:24:47 AM

Jim_Callahan: Pretty sure the reason it happened was that the offenders were rapist douchebags who need to spend the next 20+ years in jail pondering what they should(n't) have done with their lives.


Will you settle for three years in juvie? That's about the same thing, right?
 
2013-03-22 09:25:35 AM
Hey Fark? Before we start getting too holier than thou, realize we're not so innocent about the treatment of women around here.

/Yes, there is a big difference between that and rape.
 
2013-03-22 09:26:03 AM
What these boys did was not different than what high school and college girls do to drunk and passed out boys and young men.  My wife works as a nurse and she has had guys come into the hospital after a night of drinking with things like vibrators in their rectums among other things.  She said that they never press charges because the police make it into a big joke and intimidate them into not reporting it.  Even if they did very little would happen in the way of prosecution of the women.  This is the reason for the community putting pressure to drop charges against the boys because they do not prosecute the women and girls for this, if they did prosecute women the same as men there would be twice as many women in jail than men.
 
2013-03-22 09:27:36 AM
If putting girl folk on Big Red's football team kin git 'em another state title, then git some shoulder pads fer them little ladies.
 
2013-03-22 09:28:07 AM
Why it happened is because some teenage boys are a couple of abusive arseholes with no human decency.

Media not being properly outraged is probably related to the football angle. If these guys had played video games you can be sure that their behavior and lack of empathy would be attributed to being desensitized by games.

They're not going to talk about the dark and ugly underside of sports.
 
2013-03-22 09:28:16 AM
boys will be boys my arse. TFA shows how truly farked up things are in the military for those of position who lack morals. and there is no excuse for the adults involved in Steubenville either. they are backwards farking neanderthals with truly piss poor priorities. there are arseholes everywhere and good people suffer because of them.
 
2013-03-22 09:29:09 AM
I know a couple of people who have gone to jail for rape.  Each of them were impulsive to a fault and had a delusional view of entitlement and accountability - not just in the instance of rape, but in their overall view of life.  They won't understand that what they did was wrong no matter how long they're in jail.
On the same note, having been at the bottom of a pile and having been punched, grabbed, and kicked in the groin, among other places, I can tell you with great confidence that girls shouldn't be put in that position if playing football.
 
2013-03-22 09:29:50 AM
This just in, young people have undeveloped frontal lobe which can inhibit societal norm decision making and when introduced to alcohol often can make very detrimental choices.

Weather at 11
 
2013-03-22 09:29:53 AM

boinkingbill: if they did prosecute women the same as men there would be twice as many women in jail than men.


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2013-03-22 09:30:44 AM

boinkingbill: What these boys did was not different than what high school and college girls do to drunk and passed out boys and young men.  My wife works as a nurse and she has had guys come into the hospital after a night of drinking with things like vibrators in their rectums among other things.  She said that they never press charges because the police make it into a big joke and intimidate them into not reporting it.  Even if they did very little would happen in the way of prosecution of the women.  This is the reason for the community putting pressure to drop charges against the boys because they do not prosecute the women and girls for this, if they did prosecute women the same as men there would be twice as many women in jail than men.


Yeah but guys don't have a way of shutting that whole thing down when they are raped.  What if one of these out of control women get pregnant from raping some helpless guy, does the guy get any say in the choice to keep the baby?
 
2013-03-22 09:39:04 AM

SilentStrider: The reason it happened is because the boys had shiatty parents who didn't teach them that RAPE IS A BAD THING.


Over in one.

These kids are BAD PEOPLE and they did a BAD THING.
 
2013-03-22 09:39:07 AM

KiplingKat278: But another factor was the culture around them telling them that because they played football well, they were gods who were above morality and the law.


That is the point which gives me a tiny, tiny amount of sympathy for them. They'd spent years being taught that footballers could and should behave in that way and they acted as they had been taught. We don't, after all, blame child soldiers in Africa for the brutal acts they commit.

From the accounts I have read it seems that there were numerous others who participated in what was going on, recorded what was going on or knew what was going on. Many of these people should be tried as well.
 
2013-03-22 09:41:59 AM

orbister: KiplingKat278: But another factor was the culture around them telling them that because they played football well, they were gods who were above morality and the law.

That is the point which gives me a tiny, tiny amount of sympathy for them. They'd spent years being taught that footballers could and should behave in that way and they acted as they had been taught. We don't, after all, blame child soldiers in Africa for the brutal acts they commit.

From the accounts I have read it seems that there were numerous others who participated in what was going on, recorded what was going on or knew what was going on. Many of these people should be tried as well.


Yeah this.

Apparently nothing was learned from the whole Penn State tragedy.
 
2013-03-22 09:44:16 AM
Oh, wait, not enough chicks in sports is a decent enough reason now? Good to know.
 
2013-03-22 09:44:17 AM
The rapists got off easy, they should have gotten no less than five years.

Now, what about the witnesses seen on the cell phone camera footage watching and doing nothing?  Why aren't they being punished?  Why are the coaches, who not only knew about this, but also tried to cover it up, still employed or under investigation?
 
2013-03-22 09:47:02 AM

orbister: KiplingKat278: But another factor was the culture around them telling them that because they played football well, they were gods who were above morality and the law.

That is the point which gives me a tiny, tiny amount of sympathy for them. They'd spent years being taught that footballers could and should behave in that way and they acted as they had been taught. We don't, after all, blame child soldiers in Africa for the brutal acts they commit.

From the accounts I have read it seems that there were numerous others who participated in what was going on, recorded what was going on or knew what was going on. Many of these people should be tried as well.


Fark is more than ready to condemned child soldiers.
 
2013-03-22 09:47:35 AM

Great Janitor: The rapists got off easy, they should have gotten no less than five years.

Now, what about the witnesses seen on the cell phone camera footage watching and doing nothing?  Why aren't they being punished?  Why are the coaches, who not only knew about this, but also tried to cover it up, still employed or under investigation?


Grrr...or why aren't the coaches who knew about it and tried to cover it up still employed or NOT under investigation?
 
2013-03-22 09:50:59 AM

boinkingbill: What these boys did was not different than what high school and college girls do to drunk and passed out boys and young men.  My wife works as a nurse and she has had guys come into the hospital after a night of drinking with things like vibrators in their rectums among other things.  She said that they never press charges because the police make it into a big joke and intimidate them into not reporting it.  Even if they did very little would happen in the way of prosecution of the women.  This is the reason for the community putting pressure to drop charges against the boys because they do not prosecute the women and girls for this, if they did prosecute women the same as men there would be twice as many women in jail than men.


Watch.  When women don't report rape, it means that there's more rape against women because women are afraid to report it.  When men don't report rape, it means that there's less rape against men because just because.  So:

Few reports of rape, women:  stats don't show the whole picture; double, treble, quadruple the numbers to account for the uncounted
Few reports of rape, men: the stats don't lie, so don't manipulate them

See also, classic questions: 'Do female pedophiles exist?'
Classic response (take a wild guess):

See also, classic questions part 2:  'How often do women commit domestic abuse?'
Classic response (take a wild guess):
Classic response part 2: Women don't commit as much physical damage as men even when they do, so it doesn't count.
 
2013-03-22 09:51:54 AM
because they were asking for it?

/I'll just take a seat over here.
//rape is nothing to joke about.
///unless it's Fark.
////and farkers just got a conscious...
 
2013-03-22 09:53:55 AM
Put girls in a position to be surrounded by testosterone-laden, hyper-aggressive, generally horny, immature boys who are expected to grope, tackle, and pile on top of them.  I can envision no complications.

If that doesn't solve everything, coed locker rooms should seal the deal.
 
2013-03-22 09:54:17 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: boinkingbill: What these boys did was not different than what high school and college girls do to drunk and passed out boys and young men.  My wife works as a nurse and she has had guys come into the hospital after a night of drinking with things like vibrators in their rectums among other things.  She said that they never press charges because the police make it into a big joke and intimidate them into not reporting it.  Even if they did very little would happen in the way of prosecution of the women.  This is the reason for the community putting pressure to drop charges against the boys because they do not prosecute the women and girls for this, if they did prosecute women the same as men there would be twice as many women in jail than men.

Watch.  When women don't report rape, it means that there's more rape against women because women are afraid to report it.  When men don't report rape, it means that there's less rape against men because just because.  So:

Few reports of rape, women:  stats don't show the whole picture; double, treble, quadruple the numbers to account for the uncounted
Few reports of rape, men: the stats don't lie, so don't manipulate them

See also, classic questions: 'Do female pedophiles exist?'
Classic response (take a wild guess):

See also, classic questions part 2:  'How often do women commit domestic abuse?'
Classic response (take a wild guess):
Classic response part 2: Women don't commit as much physical damage as men even when they do, so it doesn't count.


There is also a discrepancy in how laws are applied between male and female requirements to be considered rape and no one is really interested in looking in to changing it.
 
2013-03-22 09:57:05 AM
i work in a factory and all my coworkers are men like me.  occasionally we have a woman work there, but for some reason the women never stay very long, even if they are good at the work.  i don't believe that we scare the women off or anything, and i also don't think any women there have been subject to any kind of harassment.  i think the opposite might be true; we all go out of our way to be nice to any women because we are worried about her feeling uncomfortable, which of course makes everything weird and awkward.  we all have to watch our mouths in the break room and not make any sexual jokes or comments when she can overhear, that sort of thing, and all the guys get tense because we don't want to get in trouble.  i think that any woman working there would be able to tell right away that her presence is causing the men around her to be placed in a strange position.  and if i was a woman, i would feel very strange working in a factory with 30 guys anyway.  i can't really imagine how odd that would be.

but i don't think any of this has to do with the steubenville case.  that happened because of lack of parental guidance and peer pressure and teenagers making terrible decisions.
 
2013-03-22 10:04:32 AM

SilentStrider: The reason it happened is because the boys had shiatty parents who didn't teach them that RAPE IS A BAD THING.


ThatsRacist.gif

/give the media some slack, they had to pick a side
//and Obama vs. Hilary primary clearly showed which side their target demographic favored
 
2013-03-22 10:04:54 AM
tl;dr
 
2013-03-22 10:06:41 AM

enderthexenocide: i work in a factory and all my coworkers are men like me.  occasionally we have a woman work there, but for some reason the women never stay very long, even if they are good at the work.  i don't believe that we scare the women off or anything, and i also don't think any women there have been subject to any kind of harassment.  i think the opposite might be true; we all go out of our way to be nice to any women because we are worried about her feeling uncomfortable, which of course makes everything weird and awkward.  we all have to watch our mouths in the break room and not make any sexual jokes or comments when she can overhear, that sort of thing, and all the guys get tense because we don't want to get in trouble.  i think that any woman working there would be able to tell right away that her presence is causing the men around her to be placed in a strange position.  and if i was a woman, i would feel very strange working in a factory with 30 guys anyway.  i can't really imagine how odd that would be.

but i don't think any of this has to do with the steubenville case.  that happened because of lack of parental guidance and peer pressure and teenagers making terrible decisions.


Treating someone differently because of their gender is not a good thing.  Hold back your language (or choose not to) knowing you're a professional in a working environment.  Not because there's a female present.
 
2013-03-22 10:06:54 AM
It happened because of how she was dressed.
 
2013-03-22 10:08:15 AM

KiplingKat278: SilentStrider: The reason it happened is because the boys had shiatty parents who didn't teach them that RAPE IS A BAD THING.

Agreed, though I would say the other half of that untaught lesson is that girls are human beings as valid as boys are. But another factor was the culture around them telling them that because they played football well, they were gods who were above morality and the law.


In all honesty, i'm sure the issue is a little more complex, but no less excusable...

The article mentions that both football and the military has a very specific sub-culture to it that parallels. I can see where the article is going with this and to a certain extent i agree... Both are male dominated societies and it's not just the coach and the drill sergeant pushing members of the culture into line... It's the peers, especially peers that embrace the culture... Which there are more male who embrace the culture of football and the military and just "toe the line" so to speak, and take great pleasure in making those that aren't to conform. Hollywood has given it's take on it with movies like "A Few Good Men" and some of the scenes in "Full Metal Jacket" for example.
They try to get audiences to see how bad or disgusting that culture is, but all it really does is make those who are wanting to be in that culture and participate that much more interested because "it's shown in a movie, it must be awesome"

So taking the article's assumptions into play, you have these boys, who MIGHT not have been rapists but because they were life long football players, they were a part of a culture that isn't just apathetic about rape, but seemingly promotes it because of the overly macho peer pressure from "fellow bros"...

I'm not saying this is the case and i'm not blaming football, i'm looking at this case from the point of the article and saying "I can see where they got that idea from" even if i don't necessarily agree with the article...
 
2013-03-22 10:08:55 AM
And boy cheerleaders. We need more of those to make this better.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-22 10:09:47 AM
KiplingKat278:  boinkingbill: What these boys did was not different than what high school and college girls do to drunk and passed out boys and young men.  My wife works as a nurse and she has had guys come into the hospital after a night of drinking with things like vibrators in their rectums among other things.  She said that they never press charges because the police make it into a big joke and intimidate them into not reporting it.  Even if they did very little would happen in the way of prosecution of the women.  This is the reason for the community putting pressure to drop charges against the boys because they do not prosecute the women and girls for this, if they did prosecute women the same as men there would be twice as many women in jail than men.
Prove it. Not anecdotal evidence, I want to see the link to surveys that prove that men are victims of more sexual violence than women. That more rapists are women than men.
Because, that s not what the the DOJ and Human Rights Watch, among others, say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender
It is harder for men to come forward. It is the same trauma, but with the added social stigma of "real men are not violated in that way." They are gaining the courage to come forward and we are getting more realistic numbers at last.
But the majority of men coming forward were raped by men.


I'm betting that most of the vibrators inserted into rectums, if actually occurring,  was being done by their male buddies.
 
2013-03-22 10:12:26 AM

Great Janitor: The rapists got off easy, they should have gotten no less than five years.

Now, what about the witnesses seen on the cell phone camera footage watching and doing nothing?  Why aren't they being punished?  Why are the coaches, who not only knew about this, but also tried to cover it up, still employed or under investigation?


They are under investigation.


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/18/17357881-ordeal-for-steube n ville-doesnt-end-with-rape-verdicts?lite">http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_ news/2013/03/18/17357881-ordeal-for-steuben ville-doesnt-end-with-rape-verdicts?lite
 
2013-03-22 10:12:28 AM
Allowing girls on a competitive football team because "equality" is just stupid. If they really can compete, then sure they belong on the team, but I hate this notion that equality means: "Guys, lay back and let the girls catch up" instead of women stepping it up.

I caught one of those ESPN top 5 plays a week or so ago, number 4 was a NBA player doing this awesome 360 degree spin move to get around an opponent and hit the lay up. Number 3 was a WNBA player who managed to do a plain old by-the-numbers dunk from right under the basket.
 
2013-03-22 10:12:48 AM

boinkingbill: What these boys did was not different than what high school and college girls do to drunk and passed out boys and young men. My wife works as a nurse and she has had guys come into the hospital after a night of drinking with things like vibrators in their rectums among other things. She said that they never press charges because the police make it into a big joke and intimidate them into not reporting it. Even if they did very little would happen in the way of prosecution of the women. This is the reason for the community putting pressure to drop charges against the boys because they do not prosecute the women and girls for this, if they did prosecute women the same as men there would be twice as many women in jail than men.


Most of the people who I know who farked with passed out drunks were were guys.  They were more the magic marker and/or antiquing type than the vibrator in the ass type, though.
 
2013-03-22 10:19:13 AM

SpectroBoy: SilentStrider: The reason it happened is because the boys had shiatty parents who didn't teach them that RAPE IS A BAD THING.

Over in one.

These kids are BAD PEOPLE and they did a BAD THING.


Hey, lets not assign all the blame to the two guys. I mean, sure they did a bad thing, but it wasn't just them. Lets not forget all the people at the party who knew that a rape was going on, who were farking tweeting about it as if it was a big joke. And lets not forget the football coaches and other people in authority who dismissed the whole incident and tried their best to cover it up. And finally, spare a thought for all the people in the town and on the internet and in the media who fell the correct response is to attack the victim and express sympathy for the attackers.

I mean, rape is bad, but what's really shocking about this case isn't the aberrant behaviour of two drunken idiots, it's the fact that everybody else involved who knew and saw what was going on did nothing to stop it and sided squarely with the perpetrators.

Two rapists = bad people, they should be punished.
Half a farking town who support those rapists and cover up for them = I don't want to live on this planet any more.
 
2013-03-22 10:19:22 AM

you have pee hands: Most of the people who I know who farked with passed out drunks were were white guys


FTFY.  Black guys don't do it, that shiat will get your ass killed, literally.
 
2013-03-22 10:22:45 AM
I don't suppose that the corporate media's response to this could be related to the disgusting trolls that work in that industry. There comes a point when you're so saturated with goal post movers, shills, and apologists that a little thing like RAPE has to get turned around on the victim.

If there's any place where the idea of Idiocracy is personified, it's American News.
 
2013-03-22 10:24:53 AM

KiplingKat278: Another thing, at least in the U.K., conviction rates against the perpetrators of male rape are actually higher than those who rape females:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2013/jan/11/male-female-rape -s tatistics-graphic


In the UK, rape is a crime that can only be commited with a penis.

As mentioned in another thread; Friend of mine tied down to his bed and repeatedly sexually assaulted by his babysutter? Not rape, even though he was underage. Rape statistics in the UK (and in the US, even after the FBI 'reclassification') are skewed because of this. The CDC NISVS 2010 recognizes these victims exist, which is a start, but doesn't classify 'forced to penetrate' under 'rape'.

The oft-repeated line of "those men were probably raped by other men" is really just another form of victim blaming.
 
2013-03-22 10:25:05 AM
Argument #9485763: I work in the IT department of a large international bank. Obviously, it's a male dominated workplace. I would not touch most of the women I work with with a yardstick.
 
2013-03-22 10:25:32 AM

you have pee hands: boinkingbill: What these boys did was not different than what high school and college girls do to drunk and passed out boys and young men. My wife works as a nurse and she has had guys come into the hospital after a night of drinking with things like vibrators in their rectums among other things. She said that they never press charges because the police make it into a big joke and intimidate them into not reporting it. Even if they did very little would happen in the way of prosecution of the women. This is the reason for the community putting pressure to drop charges against the boys because they do not prosecute the women and girls for this, if they did prosecute women the same as men there would be twice as many women in jail than men.

Most of the people who I know who farked with passed out drunks were were guys.  They were more the magic marker and/or antiquing type than the vibrator in the ass type, though.


Which makes me think it isn't about dehumanizing women like the article implies, assholes will take advantage of any weakness they see.
 
2013-03-22 10:28:58 AM

KiplingKat278: Because in town like that, Football is king in way most people can't understand. I'm work at a university in NC and the football coach in the second most powerful person on the campus (even though we have a crap team). Any budget cuts come down, they come out of academics. NEVER athletics. Everyone in town knows him, knows his wife, and shows them deference.


The many "Duke sucks" threads here are bizarre to me as an outsider, because they make Duke sound like a sports team rather than a university.

Mind you, I am still proud to have been vetoed as a prefect at school by the head of the PE department.
 
2013-03-22 10:31:56 AM

Nana's Vibrator: enderthexenocide: i work in a factory and all my coworkers are men like me.  occasionally we have a woman work there, but for some reason the women never stay very long, even if they are good at the work.  i don't believe that we scare the women off or anything, and i also don't think any women there have been subject to any kind of harassment.  i think the opposite might be true; we all go out of our way to be nice to any women because we are worried about her feeling uncomfortable, which of course makes everything weird and awkward.  we all have to watch our mouths in the break room and not make any sexual jokes or comments when she can overhear, that sort of thing, and all the guys get tense because we don't want to get in trouble.  i think that any woman working there would be able to tell right away that her presence is causing the men around her to be placed in a strange position.  and if i was a woman, i would feel very strange working in a factory with 30 guys anyway.  i can't really imagine how odd that would be.

but i don't think any of this has to do with the steubenville case.  that happened because of lack of parental guidance and peer pressure and teenagers making terrible decisions.

Treating someone differently because of their gender is not a good thing.  Hold back your language (or choose not to) knowing you're a professional in a working environment.  Not because there's a female present.


Treating someone differently because of their gender is reality.

Female professionals treat female professionals differently from male professionals.  Three guesses why.

Dude professionals treat dude professionals differently from female professionals. They have to.   Females want to be treated with some deference.  They don't want to be treated like children, and they don't want to be treated like other men.

It's the very, very rare woman who can take being handled *exactly* like one of the guys.

It's the very, very rare man who will treat a woman *exactly* like one of the guys.

Most women prefer to be treated gender neutral, among men they have no attraction towards.  If a woman is attracted to a man, she'll let all kinds of shiat slide.  Until she's pissed at him.

/has worked in majority female environments where things change when a male enters the mix.
 
2013-03-22 10:34:47 AM

Precision Boobery: you have pee hands: Most of the people who I know who farked with passed out drunks were were white guys

FTFY.  Black guys don't do it, that shiat will get your ass killed, literally.


White boys are starting to move into the denial phase, though.
 
2013-03-22 10:36:10 AM

KiplingKat278: Everyone acknowledges that women to do rape


Except the law, which is kinda important.

KiplingKat278: You are going to need something more than anecdotal evidence to prove that given the sources of these studies.


You know how I know you didn't read the report?
 
2013-03-22 10:42:59 AM
The solution is to remove football from the system,
not to make everyone else worship football.
 
2013-03-22 10:57:54 AM

wambu: And boy cheerleaders. We need more of those to make this better.
[i.imgur.com image 428x640]


Something everyone supports.

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2013-03-22 11:05:25 AM
I was going to say something snarky about high school rape, but then decided not to. I was repeatedly raped as a teenager .
 I still have the scars on my right hand to remind me.
 
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