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2013-03-21 11:59:48 PM  
She was a Goldwater Girl in 1964 and hasn't really changed all that much.
 
2013-03-22 12:11:01 AM  
She has the same bent as her husband and the current President. Last time I checked, that made her highly electable. Also, she won over a lot of guys like me who had doubts about her when she turned in an impressive round as Sec of State.

Depending on the sky changing to purple and the GOP nominating Huntsman... I'd say the office is hers if she wants it.
 
2013-03-22 12:14:22 AM  
If she wants it ...

Hillary needs to have no more fainting spells.
 
2013-03-22 12:17:48 AM  

Sgygus: Hillary needs to have no more fainting spells.


Versus their prospective candidate who will argue for tax deduction reform without actually naming what he wants to reform.

I honestly don't think it would impact the vote.
 
2013-03-22 12:21:05 AM  
Has she changed her answer from "no not interested, I'll be too old" to "maybe" ?

Quotes are obviously my own doing.
 
2013-03-22 12:29:55 AM  
Because of her age, NewportBarGuy.  Voters shy away from candidates who seem tired.
 
2013-03-22 12:30:50 AM  
While she was at the State Department - and out of politics for four years - Clinton's party was moving to the left, and fast.

Well, if you're going to start from a complete bullshiat premise, there's really no point in taking this article seriously.
 
2013-03-22 12:42:22 AM  

Sgygus: Because of her age, NewportBarGuy.  Voters shy away from candidates who seem tired.


I got where you were going. I honestly don't even think she'll run. I'm just saying that based upon the current condition of the GOP, I think the DNC could nominate Forrest Gump and win.
 
2013-03-22 01:09:40 AM  
I will not vote for any candidate who has a relative who has been President in my lifetime. Enough of this dynasty sh*t.
 
2013-03-22 01:16:06 AM  
Curious...how many former SECSTATEs have become President? The chief issue that a lot of candidates of any party face is "no foreign policy experience." She's got that *locked* now. It might also have changed her viewpoint on a LOT of issues. Foreign financial aid, use of the military, etc.

I was not a big fan of hers as a POTUS candidate; that might have changed.

I also like how her being nominated will drive the right right up the goddamned wall.
 
2013-03-22 01:16:14 AM  
The current president would be nearly Republican a few decades ago... The GOP has gone so far right, moderates like myself don't really consider them viable anymore. In a two-party system that means Clinton may be electable.

I wish we had the diverse system like in Europe with dozens of parties that have to form factions because none have the outright power.
 
2013-03-22 01:16:52 AM  

NewportBarGuy: I think the DNC could nominate Forrest Gump and win.


Christie/Jindal. Book it. Done.
 
2013-03-22 01:17:13 AM  

CaptSacto: I will not vote for any candidate who has a relative who has been President in my lifetime. Enough of this dynasty sh*t.


At least in the primaries anyway. It would've been weird, Bush Clinton Bush Clinton.
 
2013-03-22 01:17:29 AM  

Gig103: I wish we had the diverse system like in Europe with dozens of parties that have to form factions because none have the outright power.


You think we have Congressional gridlock now?
 
2013-03-22 01:29:10 AM  

CaptSacto: I will not vote for any candidate who has a relative who has been President in my lifetime. Enough of this dynasty sh*t.


That's a load of crap.
 
2013-03-22 01:38:48 AM  

dramboxf: Gig103: I wish we had the diverse system like in Europe with dozens of parties that have to form factions because none have the outright power.

You think we have Congressional gridlock now?


I'd like that idea without the factions.  Multiple parties, and each person votes according to their own conscience/wishes-of-their-constituents.  Instead of every vote coming down to political posturing and trying to gain leverage and power vs the other camp maybe we could just get down to business, have honest debates about real issues, and have real majority rule.
 
2013-03-22 01:42:22 AM  

propasaurus: CaptSacto: I will not vote for any candidate who has a relative who has been President in my lifetime. Enough of this dynasty sh*t.

That's a load of crap.


Why? Because I'm tired of Kennedys and Bushes and Clintons? Seriously: I do not, at least at this point, see myself voting for someone who has a closely related ex-President in their family.
Unless the alternatives were worse, of course.
I'm not that dead-set on the idea.
 
2013-03-22 01:49:00 AM  

CaptSacto: I do not, at least at this point, see myself voting for someone who has a closely related ex-President in their family.


Considering how qualified she is, that is an incredibly infantile position.
 
2013-03-22 01:51:37 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Considering how qualified she is, that is an incredibly infantile position.


I say that with an element of respect. I used to hold the same position. However, I was incredibly impressed with how she handled Foggy Bottom. Anyone can be a Senator. SOS? That's a whole different world.

So, don't take the "infantile" thing too hard. That was more directed at myself.
 
2013-03-22 02:00:02 AM  

NewportBarGuy: NewportBarGuy: Considering how qualified she is, that is an incredibly infantile position.

I say that with an element of respect. I used to hold the same position. However, I was incredibly impressed with how she handled Foggy Bottom. Anyone can be a Senator. SOS? That's a whole different world.

So, don't take the "infantile" thing too hard. That was more directed at myself.


Not at all. And if you'll notice, I did hedge my bets. I know it's an emotional position, not a logical one, but seriously... can't we find anyone else?
 
2013-03-22 02:03:49 AM  

CaptSacto: NewportBarGuy: NewportBarGuy: Considering how qualified she is, that is an incredibly infantile position.

I say that with an element of respect. I used to hold the same position. However, I was incredibly impressed with how she handled Foggy Bottom. Anyone can be a Senator. SOS? That's a whole different world.

So, don't take the "infantile" thing too hard. That was more directed at myself.

Not at all. And if you'll notice, I did hedge my bets. I know it's an emotional position, not a logical one, but seriously... can't we find anyone else?


I'd be willing to bet that a large majority of the "no more dynasties" folks either voted for W and/or would vote for JEB.
Here's an idea: vote for someone on their own merits.
 
2013-03-22 02:24:02 AM  

teto85: She was a Goldwater Girl in 1964 and hasn't really changed all that much.


Voted for Iraq. There's that. On the other hand, the boon for for insurance companies introduced by the Heritage Foundation called "Obamacare" is because she was the libbiest lib that ever libbed in the 90s.
 
2013-03-22 06:28:10 AM  
While she was at the State Department - and out of politics for four years - Clinton's party was moving to the left, and fast.

Riiiiight...

I suspect this person has no idea what they're talking about. In any other modern democratic republic, the Democratic Party would be Center Right, at best.

Hell, even here in the US the Democrats have pretty much taken over the Center Right position as the GOP as ventured out into far right wing yahoo land.
 
2013-03-22 06:34:37 AM  

propasaurus: I'd be willing to bet that a large majority of the "no more dynasties" folks either voted for W and/or would vote for JEB.


why would you think that?
 
2013-03-22 06:46:11 AM  

keylock71: I suspect this person has no idea what they're talking about. In any other modern democratic republic, the Democratic Party would be Center Right, at best.

Hell, even here in the US the Democrats have pretty much taken over the Center Right position as the GOP as ventured out into far right wing yahoo land.


I see absolutely no evidence of that
 
2013-03-22 06:51:11 AM  
I won't vote for her. I want Elizabeth Warren or Mike Rowe. Yes, dirty jobs Mike Rowe. If they ran together, id volunteer for thier campain. I wish Rowe would run.
 
2013-03-22 06:51:18 AM  
I certainly thought here too conservative in 2008.  Perhaps she's mellowed some, but I'm not sure yet.
 
2013-03-22 06:54:03 AM  

CaptSacto: I will not vote for any candidate who has a relative who has been President in my lifetime. Enough of this dynasty sh*t.


It's not a dynasty. Neither of the Clintons were born into wealth or power; they were middle class kids who - gasp - dragged themselves up by their bootstraps. Even if had Bill decided against going into politics, she'd still be a top-notch and well-known politician regardless. Now, if Chelsea ever went into politics, then that would be a dynasty.
 
2013-03-22 06:55:28 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Even if had Bill

had decided against going into politics ...

/FMFT.
//For me, fixed that.
 
2013-03-22 06:57:23 AM  
She'll need have this next to her desk in the WH. What with her history of fainting and selected memory lapeseswww.panicattackfree.org
 
2013-03-22 06:59:23 AM  

propasaurus: While she was at the State Department - and out of politics for four years - Clinton's party was moving to the left, and fast.

Well, if you're going to start from a complete bullshiat premise, there's really no point in taking this article seriously.


Yeah, this immediately came to mind. The party has been moving to the left? Obama's signature leftist plan, Obamacare, was proposed by Republicans in response to Bill and Hillary's plans. Even Romney, the guy the Republicans ran in the presidential election, implemented a similar healthcare plan. The Democrats aren't moving left, the Republicans have just lost their minds.
 
2013-03-22 07:01:05 AM  

too-old: keylock71: I suspect this person has no idea what they're talking about. In any other modern democratic republic, the Democratic Party would be Center Right, at best.

Hell, even here in the US the Democrats have pretty much taken over the Center Right position as the GOP as ventured out into far right wing yahoo land.

I see absolutely no evidence of that


Let me guess, Obama is the libbiest lib that ever libbed to you.
 
2013-03-22 07:02:22 AM  

too-old: I see absolutely no evidence of that


As a dual citizen of America and Australia... Keylock is spot on. Trust me.
 
2013-03-22 07:06:05 AM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Let me guess, Obama is the libbiest lib that ever libbed to you.


It's really quite bizarre. In Australia, I'm considered a relatively conservative centre-right moderate; in the US, I'm considered a raging, flaming, tree-hugging, baby-eating, God-murdering liberal.
 
2013-03-22 07:13:33 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Wolf_Blitzer: Let me guess, Obama is the libbiest lib that ever libbed to you.

It's really quite bizarre. In Australia, I'm considered a relatively conservative centre-right moderate; in the US, I'm considered a raging, flaming, tree-hugging, baby-eating, God-murdering liberal.


That's because you're not a republican. The left/center/right has no basis in reality in America anymore. all it really boils down to now is 1. "lock step with the GOP = Conservative(never mind that the GOP stance probably isn't a conservative one)" 2."agree with all GOP economic issues, but believe in the right to abortion = a moderate" and 3. "everyone else is a liberal".

The GOP benefits from putting people in these little boxes, no one else does. So I don't understand why so many people are quick to do the same thing.
 
2013-03-22 07:24:47 AM  

dramboxf: NewportBarGuy: I think the DNC could nominate Forrest Gump and win.

Christie/Jindal. Book it. Done.


If Christie survived a Republican primary (and it's getting more obvious that he couldn't), selecting Jindal as his running mate (or Rubio) would hand the presidency back to the Democrats.  If he was truly invested in winning, I would not be surprised if he found a Blue Dog for his running mate, but not anyone even remotely associated with the Republican party line as is.
 
2013-03-22 07:26:49 AM  

CaptSacto: I will not vote for any candidate who has a relative who has been President in my lifetime. Enough of this dynasty sh*t.


You're right! John Quincy Adams, Benjamin Harrison, and Franklin Roosevelt were all just living off their relatives' fame!
 
2013-03-22 07:29:26 AM  

too-old: keylock71: I suspect this person has no idea what they're talking about. In any other modern democratic republic, the Democratic Party would be Center Right, at best.

Hell, even here in the US the Democrats have pretty much taken over the Center Right position as the GOP as ventured out into far right wing yahoo land.

I see absolutely no evidence of that


If they truly were liberal, they'd've fought a lot harder for some type of government-run healthcare for all Americans, instead of this corporatist scheme Republicans call "Obamacare".

/Hell, they're agin' it even though it benefits them more than most Americans.
 
2013-03-22 07:32:36 AM  
GW Bush's disastrous presidency taught us that dynasties are bad.

So if Hillary runs, vote Republican.
 
2013-03-22 07:33:23 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Wolf_Blitzer: Let me guess, Obama is the libbiest lib that ever libbed to you.

It's really quite bizarre. In Australia, I'm considered a relatively conservative centre-right moderate; in the US, I'm considered a raging, flaming, tree-hugging, baby-eating, God-murdering liberal.


I had a similar experience living in Ireland for 5 years. Always considered myself a fairly left-leaning person throughout my college years, but out there, I got to see real left wing politicians and citizens, and my views were championed by parties and politicians that were considered Moderate or Center Left in Europe. It actually pushed me a bit further left in my views as I got older. The most accurate description of where I stand now would be "Democratic Socialist", which, again, in most democratic republics would be considered Moderate or Center Left.

The idea we have any sort of organized, influential, truly left wing party in the US is comical.

Though, I've never been called anything close to "Right Wing" in my life, thankfully. : )
 
2013-03-22 07:42:24 AM  

dramboxf: NewportBarGuy: I think the DNC could nominate Forrest Gump and win.

Christie/Jindal. Book it. Done.


Christie was brilliant when he decided that his constituents probably needed help after hurricane Sandy, but as soon as he pulls that sandwich from his mouth and start talking about his politics, his approval rating will drop like a stone.
 
2013-03-22 07:43:00 AM  
She won't run, but I'd love it for nothing else than seeing Palin meltdown in front of our eyes.
 
2013-03-22 07:49:33 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: She won't run, but I'd love it for nothing else than seeing Palin meltdown in front of our eyes.


Would the word salad be any different that way?
 
2013-03-22 07:50:02 AM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Let me guess, Obama is the libbiest lib that ever libbed to you.


I am democrat, but I see the democrats moving to the left as the repubs are moving to the right. Scares the hell out of me because it just makes it harder to live together when everyone is moving in opposite directions.
 
2013-03-22 07:53:02 AM  

teto85: She was a Goldwater Girl in 1964 and hasn't really changed all that much.


Goldwater's pretty firmly within the Democratic party by modern standards, though.

I mean, he's pretty conservative in the sense of the actual meaning of the word, sort of state's-rights-for-serious rather than as a thinly veiled racist agenda, not fond of the UN, but supported domestic programs with obvious applicability and largely declining to participate in the full-on right-wing excesses of his fellow congressman McCarthy.

But what "conservative" usually means in the (somewhat retarded) context they appear to be using it is a stand-in for "right wing", and... no.  Goldwater wasn't, and Mrs. Clinton wasn't and isn't.

//Hillary won't run, she'll be rather old at that point.  Like, only three years younger than McCain was in his 2008 run.  Remember how it was considered essentially unarguable fact that McCain would die in office early and it was all about the VP?  Yeah, I'm thinking Mrs. Clinton lacks the patience and charisma to get over that stumbling block.  Essentially, her 2008 run was her chance.
 
2013-03-22 07:53:30 AM  

too-old: Wolf_Blitzer: Let me guess, Obama is the libbiest lib that ever libbed to you.

I am democrat, but I see the democrats moving to the left as the repubs are moving to the right. Scares the hell out of me because it just makes it harder to live together when everyone is moving in opposite directions.


Thank you for your concern.
 
2013-03-22 07:56:10 AM  

IlGreven: too-old: keylock71: I suspect this person has no idea what they're talking about. In any other modern democratic republic, the Democratic Party would be Center Right, at best.

Hell, even here in the US the Democrats have pretty much taken over the Center Right position as the GOP as ventured out into far right wing yahoo land.

I see absolutely no evidence of that

If they truly were liberal, they'd've fought a lot harder for some type of government-run healthcare for all Americans, instead of this corporatist scheme Republicans call "Obamacare".

/Hell, they're agin' it even though it benefits them more than most Americans.


How could they have "fought harder"?  Did you already forget how difficult it was to pass even what was passed?  They HAD to have Lieberman's vote, and he flat out said he wouldn't vote for even a public option.  So what got passed barely got passed, even though it was a Republican plan.

No amount of increased "fighting" or use of the bully pulpit or twisting of arms or any of that undefinable bullshiat that people claim should have happened would have done any good.
 
2013-03-22 07:57:51 AM  

propasaurus: While she was at the State Department - and out of politics for four years - Clinton's party was moving to the left, and fast.

Well, if you're going to start from a complete bullshiat premise, there's really no point in taking this article seriously.


If you accept that Secretary of State is 'out of politics' - which almost no one would - then it isn't that bad of a claim.  Consider the reverse:
While he was unemployed - and out of politics for years - Romney's party was moving to the right, at ludricous speed.
 
2013-03-22 07:58:09 AM  
InB4 no more clintons, kennedys, bushes logic fallacy....oh fark i'm too late.

Here's the deal: The Bushes were directly related and both served. The Kennedy fallacy has no merit as that family had 1 person in office as well as Clinton. PLUS Hillary is NOT related to Bill.
 
2013-03-22 07:58:31 AM  

earthworm2.0: I won't vote for her. I want Elizabeth Warren or Mike Rowe. Yes, dirty jobs Mike Rowe. If they ran together, id volunteer for thier campain. I wish Rowe would run.


I love it. Warren/Rowe 2016.
 
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