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(ESPN)   Martin Brodeur sets NHL record for most goals with the third of his career   (scores.espn.go.com) divider line 75
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2013-03-22 12:41:56 AM
Well that was damn strange...
 
2013-03-22 12:42:47 AM
Should have been blown dead for the delayed penalty. Not that that would have helped the 'Canes much tonight.

\They either walk over everybody or they suck. No in between.
 
2013-03-22 12:43:52 AM
Marty's better.
 
2013-03-22 12:44:44 AM
That man will be a goalie in the NHL when my toddlers go to college.

/And he'll still be good.
 
2013-03-22 12:54:38 AM
One more record for the pile.
 
2013-03-22 01:10:07 AM
Epic Flail
 
2013-03-22 01:15:07 AM

cptjeff: Should have been blown dead for the delayed penalty. Not that that would have helped the 'Canes much tonight.

\They either walk over everybody or they suck. No in between.


its only blown dead when penalized team controls the puck.  a goalie save by deflecting puck into corner is not control..
 
2013-03-22 01:17:01 AM
hes going to celebrate by banging his sister in law
 
2013-03-22 01:20:21 AM

thisiszombocom: hes going to celebrate by banging his sister in law


And sharing a donut with this guy.

gbjrminers.goalline.ca
 
2013-03-22 01:20:23 AM
brodeur plays soccer???
 
2013-03-22 01:29:51 AM

bart2puck: cptjeff: Should have been blown dead for the delayed penalty. Not that that would have helped the 'Canes much tonight.

\They either walk over everybody or they suck. No in between.

its only blown dead when penalized team controls the puck.  a goalie save by deflecting puck into corner is not control..


Except when it is. I've seen that called both ways. A goalie making a save isn't. A goalie deliberately directing a puck usually is.
 
2013-03-22 01:34:15 AM

cptjeff: bart2puck: cptjeff: Should have been blown dead for the delayed penalty. Not that that would have helped the 'Canes much tonight.

\They either walk over everybody or they suck. No in between.

its only blown dead when penalized team controls the puck.  a goalie save by deflecting puck into corner is not control..

Except when it is. I've seen that called both ways. A goalie making a save isn't. A goalie deliberately directing a puck usually is.



Goalies ALWAYS direct pucks in different directions, it's part of the game.
 
2013-03-22 01:38:41 AM

LessO2: cptjeff: bart2puck: cptjeff: Should have been blown dead for the delayed penalty. Not that that would have helped the 'Canes much tonight.

\They either walk over everybody or they suck. No in between.

its only blown dead when penalized team controls the puck.  a goalie save by deflecting puck into corner is not control..

Except when it is. I've seen that called both ways. A goalie making a save isn't. A goalie deliberately directing a puck usually is.


Goalies ALWAYS direct pucks in different directions, it's part of the game.


Sometimes it's more deliberate and planned than other times, and when it's more deliberate, it's often deemed to be possession. And where that line is drawn often depends on the ref.
 
2013-03-22 01:40:34 AM

cptjeff: LessO2: cptjeff: bart2puck: cptjeff: Should have been blown dead for the delayed penalty. Not that that would have helped the 'Canes much tonight.

\They either walk over everybody or they suck. No in between.

its only blown dead when penalized team controls the puck.  a goalie save by deflecting puck into corner is not control..

Except when it is. I've seen that called both ways. A goalie making a save isn't. A goalie deliberately directing a puck usually is.


Goalies ALWAYS direct pucks in different directions, it's part of the game.

Sometimes it's more deliberate and planned than other times, and when it's more deliberate, it's often deemed to be possession. And where that line is drawn often depends on the ref.


What reason would a goalie have for keeping the puck in play if his team's about to go shorthanded?
 
2013-03-22 01:48:52 AM

Lifeless: cptjeff: LessO2: cptjeff: bart2puck: cptjeff: Should have been blown dead for the delayed penalty. Not that that would have helped the 'Canes much tonight.

\They either walk over everybody or they suck. No in between.

its only blown dead when penalized team controls the puck.  a goalie save by deflecting puck into corner is not control..

Except when it is. I've seen that called both ways. A goalie making a save isn't. A goalie deliberately directing a puck usually is.


Goalies ALWAYS direct pucks in different directions, it's part of the game.

Sometimes it's more deliberate and planned than other times, and when it's more deliberate, it's often deemed to be possession. And where that line is drawn often depends on the ref.

What reason would a goalie have for keeping the puck in play if his team's about to go shorthanded?


You don't have to be able to do anything you want to with the puck to be considered in possession. Otherwise you'd be able to say that a defensive player who didn't have a chance to do anything but chip it off the boards when he would rather rush it up the ice wasn't in possession. Which is obviously horseshiat.
 
2013-03-22 02:27:16 AM

cptjeff: Lifeless: cptjeff: LessO2: cptjeff: bart2puck: cptjeff: Should have been blown dead for the delayed penalty. Not that that would have helped the 'Canes much tonight.

\They either walk over everybody or they suck. No in between.

its only blown dead when penalized team controls the puck.  a goalie save by deflecting puck into corner is not control..

Except when it is. I've seen that called both ways. A goalie making a save isn't. A goalie deliberately directing a puck usually is.


Goalies ALWAYS direct pucks in different directions, it's part of the game.

Sometimes it's more deliberate and planned than other times, and when it's more deliberate, it's often deemed to be possession. And where that line is drawn often depends on the ref.

What reason would a goalie have for keeping the puck in play if his team's about to go shorthanded?

You don't have to be able to do anything you want to with the puck to be considered in possession. Otherwise you'd be able to say that a defensive player who didn't have a chance to do anything but chip it off the boards when he would rather rush it up the ice wasn't in possession. Which is obviously horseshiat.


I don't think that wasn't possession. It was a stick save on a puck that was moving towards the net.  It could have been called the other way, but then the Canes would biatch about not getting the extra attacker.
 
2013-03-22 02:31:51 AM

cptjeff: Lifeless: cptjeff: LessO2: cptjeff: bart2puck: cptjeff: Should have been blown dead for the delayed penalty. Not that that would have helped the 'Canes much tonight.

\They either walk over everybody or they suck. No in between.

its only blown dead when penalized team controls the puck.  a goalie save by deflecting puck into corner is not control..

Except when it is. I've seen that called both ways. A goalie making a save isn't. A goalie deliberately directing a puck usually is.


Goalies ALWAYS direct pucks in different directions, it's part of the game.

Sometimes it's more deliberate and planned than other times, and when it's more deliberate, it's often deemed to be possession. And where that line is drawn often depends on the ref.

What reason would a goalie have for keeping the puck in play if his team's about to go shorthanded?

You don't have to be able to do anything you want to with the puck to be considered in possession. Otherwise you'd be able to say that a defensive player who didn't have a chance to do anything but chip it off the boards when he would rather rush it up the ice wasn't in possession. Which is obviously horseshiat.


Regardless, a goalie save isn't incidental contact.  It should be possession for the sake of the penalty.
 
2013-03-22 02:34:18 AM

cptjeff: You don't have to be able to do anything you want to with the puck to be considered in possession. Otherwise you'd be able to say that a defensive player who didn't have a chance to do anything but chip it off the boards when he would rather rush it up the ice wasn't in possession. Which is obviously horseshiat.



Um, any skater that had the puck long enough to chip it off the boards would have had possession, and play would be blown dead.
 
2013-03-22 02:42:19 AM
Wait I think I read that wrong. Ugh I'm going to bed.
 
2013-03-22 02:46:10 AM

bhcompy: Regardless, a goalie save isn't incidental contact.  It should be possession for the sake of the penalty.


How in the world can you "possess" a puck that might be shot at you at 100mph?  Catching or falling on the rebound I get, but off the blocker or stick is possession?

I'm not a Brodeur fan, but your argument is ridiculous.
 
2013-03-22 02:48:55 AM

bhcompy: cptjeff: Lifeless: cptjeff: LessO2: cptjeff: bart2puck: cptjeff: Should have been blown dead for the delayed penalty. Not that that would have helped the 'Canes much tonight.

\They either walk over everybody or they suck. No in between.

its only blown dead when penalized team controls the puck.  a goalie save by deflecting puck into corner is not control..

Except when it is. I've seen that called both ways. A goalie making a save isn't. A goalie deliberately directing a puck usually is.


Goalies ALWAYS direct pucks in different directions, it's part of the game.

Sometimes it's more deliberate and planned than other times, and when it's more deliberate, it's often deemed to be possession. And where that line is drawn often depends on the ref.

What reason would a goalie have for keeping the puck in play if his team's about to go shorthanded?

You don't have to be able to do anything you want to with the puck to be considered in possession. Otherwise you'd be able to say that a defensive player who didn't have a chance to do anything but chip it off the boards when he would rather rush it up the ice wasn't in possession. Which is obviously horseshiat.

Regardless, a goalie save isn't incidental contact.  It should be possession for the sake of the penalty.


So if a shot bounces off a goalie's pads for a juicy rebound, the whistle should blow before anyone gets a chance to knock the rebound home?  Sounds silly.
 
2013-03-22 02:55:46 AM

notadamnduck: cptjeff: You don't have to be able to do anything you want to with the puck to be considered in possession. Otherwise you'd be able to say that a defensive player who didn't have a chance to do anything but chip it off the boards when he would rather rush it up the ice wasn't in possession. Which is obviously horseshiat.


Um, any skater that had the puck long enough to chip it off the boards would have had possession, and play would be blown dead.


That's my point. Not being able to do anything you want with the puck doesn't mean that you don't have possession.
 
2013-03-22 03:24:09 AM
I can imagine that if a puck slowly went on-net from behind the blue line, and a goalie "saved" it, play would be stopped because the potential to make a play existed and the possession "changed."

What happened here was a shot that was deflected/blocked away, with no realistic chance of possession aside from taking a huge risk and trying to catch the puck. The rule is as it should be, because a team should not lose an opportunity for a rebound on a delayed penalty, nor should play be stopped because of, say, a puck bouncing off of the back of a defensive player's helmet.
 
2013-03-22 03:27:40 AM
I started him in my fantasy league.... and right now it won't give me credit for his goal.
 
2013-03-22 04:11:04 AM
Martin Brodeur is so old, he played for the Montreal Maroons.
 
2013-03-22 04:51:01 AM
Meh, Ron Hextall scored his two goals by deliberately shooting at the net. Also, he was kind of insane. So he wins.
 
2013-03-22 05:45:34 AM
Well, this thread had gone in a boring, pointless direction.

cptjeff: Except when it is. I've seen that called both ways. A goalie making a save isn't. A goalie deliberately directing a puck usually is.


This man is correct, by the way.
 
2013-03-22 06:02:56 AM

McBotulism: Meh, Ron Hextall scored his two goals by deliberately shooting at the net. Also, he was kind of insane. So he wins.


I could watch this everyday. Watching Ron Hextall go bezerk and start fighting people, whether that's slashing someone's knees; checking an unsuspecting forward into the boards; or just the sight of a masked man skating fast towards someone, stick raised; he was the most entertaining goalie ever.
 
2013-03-22 07:04:39 AM

McBotulism: Meh, Ron Hextall scored his two goals by deliberately shooting at the net. Also, he was kind of insane. So he wins.


I believe Marty's first two were scored from him actually shooting on net.  He's come close to having at least one or two more, but was just slightly off target.
 
2013-03-22 07:28:21 AM

McBotulism: Meh, Ron Hextall scored his two goals by deliberately shooting at the net. Also, he was kind of insane. So he wins.


This.

lacydog:
I could watch this everyday. Watching Ron Hextall go bezerk and start fighting people, whether that's slashing someone's knees; checking an unsuspecting forward into the boards; or just the sight of a masked man skating fast towards someone, stick raised; he was the most entertaining goalie ever.

Also this.

/Was/is my favorite player since I started watching hockey
//Glad he finally won a cup.
 
2013-03-22 08:24:11 AM
For some not so interesting trivia, the LAST goalie to score was Cam Ward of the Hurricanes, he scored his goal against.... wait for it.... The NJ Devils.
 
2013-03-22 08:29:27 AM

Dafatone: bhcompy: cptjeff: Lifeless: cptjeff: LessO2: cptjeff: bart2puck: cptjeff: Should have been blown dead for the delayed penalty. Not that that would have helped the 'Canes much tonight.

\They either walk over everybody or they suck. No in between.

its only blown dead when penalized team controls the puck.  a goalie save by deflecting puck into corner is not control..

Except when it is. I've seen that called both ways. A goalie making a save isn't. A goalie deliberately directing a puck usually is.


Goalies ALWAYS direct pucks in different directions, it's part of the game.

Sometimes it's more deliberate and planned than other times, and when it's more deliberate, it's often deemed to be possession. And where that line is drawn often depends on the ref.

What reason would a goalie have for keeping the puck in play if his team's about to go shorthanded?

You don't have to be able to do anything you want to with the puck to be considered in possession. Otherwise you'd be able to say that a defensive player who didn't have a chance to do anything but chip it off the boards when he would rather rush it up the ice wasn't in possession. Which is obviously horseshiat.

Regardless, a goalie save isn't incidental contact.  It should be possession for the sake of the penalty.

So if a shot bounces off a goalie's pads for a juicy rebound, the whistle should blow before anyone gets a chance to knock the rebound home?  Sounds silly.


So Mrs. Samurai was at the game and explained it to me.

1:  Marty deflected a puck, the Canes were passing it around, then the delayed penalty was called.

2:  Carolina was down a man to the penalty box, so Muller pulls Ellis for the extra attacker, like a lot of teams do in that situation.  Then Staal the Lesser tries to flip a pass to Gleason, but it goes awry, bounces off the boards, and coasts into the empty net.

3:  So even though Marty hadn't touched the puck in almost a minute, he got credit for the goal.  And it was a Power Play goal to boot, so we got to unleash Semin from the penalty box.

/still have hope for the Canes - we always win the Cup immediately after a lockout.
 
2013-03-22 09:02:25 AM
Something like this happened when I was in Bantams at a tournament in Grand Rapids, MN. We had a delayed penalty and the other team made a bad pass out of our zone and into their own empty net. Refs didn't know what the hell to do. They waved off the goal and said the other team couldn't score on themselves. Stupid homer refs.

/CSB
 
2013-03-22 09:14:45 AM
That helped solidify Winnipeg's shaky position on top of the Southeast, so I'm good with it.
 
2013-03-22 09:39:25 AM
Well I hadn't seen anything like that in awhile.
 
2013-03-22 09:45:50 AM

cptjeff: Should have been blown dead for the delayed penalty. Not that that would have helped the 'Canes much tonight.

\They either walk over everybody or they suck. No in between.


Only if you have control of the puck, which he didn't.
 
2013-03-22 10:05:50 AM

msupf: I started him in my fantasy league.... and right now it won't give me credit for his goal.


Same here, and sadly, I don't think it will count towards anything.
 
2013-03-22 10:44:00 AM
Blown dead or not, the Canes are an absolute disaster on the ice right now, and Dan Ellis is out 1-2 weeks with stitches.
He managed to cut himself with his own skate above the knee.  Somehow.
So headed into essentially playoff hockey, we will have two AHL goalies.


sigh
 
2013-03-22 11:20:40 AM
farking hilarious...

And Bruins manage to not blow it in the third last night.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-22 11:34:18 AM

Driedsponge: McBotulism: Meh, Ron Hextall scored his two goals by deliberately shooting at the net. Also, he was kind of insane. So he wins.

I believe Marty's first two were scored from him actually shooting on net.  He's come close to having at least one or two more, but was just slightly off target.


Marty's first was scored from him shooting on net; his second was similar to this situation vs the Flyers in 2000.

UNC_Samurai:

So Mrs. Samurai was at the game and explained it to me.
1:  Marty deflected a puck, the Canes were passing it around, then the delayed penalty was called.
2:  Carolina was down a man to the penalty box, so Muller pulls Ellis for the extra attacker, like a lot of teams do in that situation.  Then Staal the Lesser tries to flip a pass to Gleason, but it goes awry, bounces off the boards, and coasts into the empty net.
3:  So even though Marty hadn't touched the puck in almost a minute, he got credit for the goal.  And it was a Power Play goal to boot, so we got to unleash Semin from the penalty box.
/still have hope for the Canes - we always win the Cup immediately after a lockout.



Your missus got it wrong - the penalty was called on Zidlicky as a Canes player was driving the net, said Canes player got a shot off (which bounced off Brodeur into the corner), another Canes player flung it back toward the point but missed the point man by about 3 feet and it went into the open net. Nowhere near a minute elapsed between the save and the own goal. Interestingly, it still counted as a goal against for Ellis because he was not completely off the ice.

Also, to your last point - the 1994-1995 New Jersey Devils would like a word.
 
2013-03-22 11:43:37 AM
Hockey East Semi-Finals on TV tonight. NESN and NBCSN will be carrying both games.

Umass Lowell vs Providence College at 5 PM EDT in the 1 vs 4 matchup.
Boston College vs Boston University at 8ish PM EDT in the 2 vs 3 matchup.
 
2013-03-22 12:56:09 PM

SharkaPult: For some not so interesting trivia, the LAST goalie to score was Cam Ward of the Hurricanes, he scored his goal against.... wait for it.... The NJ Devils.


This means Bettman is appointed commissioner for life, Scott Stevens is retroactively awarded 12 Lady Byng trophies and Carolina must move back to Hartford for the 2019-2020 season.
 
2013-03-22 02:04:47 PM

lacydog: McBotulism: Meh, Ron Hextall scored his two goals by deliberately shooting at the net. Also, he was kind of insane. So he wins.

I could watch this everyday. Watching Ron Hextall go bezerk and start fighting people, whether that's slashing someone's knees; checking an unsuspecting forward into the boards; or just the sight of a masked man skating fast towards someone, stick raised; he was the most entertaining goalie ever.


His son Brett is a forward for my city's AHL team. He's got his dad's temper, though he's a bit less unhinged.
 
2013-03-22 02:49:00 PM

UNC_Samurai: Dafatone: bhcompy: cptjeff: Lifeless: cptjeff: LessO2: cptjeff: bart2puck: cptjeff: Should have been blown dead for the delayed penalty. Not that that would have helped the 'Canes much tonight.

\They either walk over everybody or they suck. No in between.

its only blown dead when penalized team controls the puck.  a goalie save by deflecting puck into corner is not control..

Except when it is. I've seen that called both ways. A goalie making a save isn't. A goalie deliberately directing a puck usually is.


Goalies ALWAYS direct pucks in different directions, it's part of the game.

Sometimes it's more deliberate and planned than other times, and when it's more deliberate, it's often deemed to be possession. And where that line is drawn often depends on the ref.

What reason would a goalie have for keeping the puck in play if his team's about to go shorthanded?

You don't have to be able to do anything you want to with the puck to be considered in possession. Otherwise you'd be able to say that a defensive player who didn't have a chance to do anything but chip it off the boards when he would rather rush it up the ice wasn't in possession. Which is obviously horseshiat.

Regardless, a goalie save isn't incidental contact.  It should be possession for the sake of the penalty.

So if a shot bounces off a goalie's pads for a juicy rebound, the whistle should blow before anyone gets a chance to knock the rebound home?  Sounds silly.

So Mrs. Samurai was at the game and explained it to me.

1:  Marty deflected a puck, the Canes were passing it around, then the delayed penalty was called.

2:  Carolina was down a man to the penalty box, so Muller pulls Ellis for the extra attacker, like a lot of teams do in that situation.  Then Staal the Lesser tries to flip a pass to Gleason, but it goes awry, bounces off the boards, and coasts into the empty net.

3:  So even though Marty hadn't touched the puck in almost a minute, he got credit for the goal.  And it was a Power Pla ...


I'm sure Ms. Samurai is an absolutely wonderful person, but would make for a not-terribly great eye-witness.

The penalty was called for an act which did not prevent the player from getting off a shot from close range. Brodeur makes the save and directs the puck into the corner. The ref's arm goes up immediately on the play but by the time he has it raised, the save has already been made. (Discussions about possession are well founded but while Brodeur's direction of the puck was 100% deliberate the referee -- correctly in my opinion -- allows play to continue). As the puck rolls into the corner Staal tries to pass back to the far point via the boards but it goes out of reach of the D and ends up in the net.

Only a few seconds had passed; in fact the Canes goalie hadn't even made it to the bench and was on his way back when the puck entered the net.

The NHL site (cleverly, I thought) called it a "Career Hat Trick"

/Brodeur > (a few) > Roy > (hundreds of others) > Hextall
 
2013-03-22 03:06:14 PM
if anyone is still reading this thread:

When a delayed penalty is being signaled by the referee, a save by the goalkeeper or deflection of the puck off any player of the offending team does not constitute change of possession.
Rule 15.1 states that when the team to be penalized gains control of the puck, the referee will stop play and impose the penalty to the offending player. Martin Brodeur made a butterfly save and the rebound was directed to the corner as Dwyer's momentum carried him into the Devils goalkeeper. This save and rebound is not deemed gaining control of the puck by the Devils.
 
2013-03-22 03:21:06 PM

bart2puck: if anyone is still reading this thread:

When a delayed penalty is being signaled by the referee, a save by the goalkeeper or deflection of the puck off any player of the offending team does not constitute change of possession.
Rule 15.1 states that when the team to be penalized gains control of the puck, the referee will stop play and impose the penalty to the offending player. Martin Brodeur made a butterfly save and the rebound was directed to the corner as Dwyer's momentum carried him into the Devils goalkeeper. This save and rebound is not deemed gaining control of the puck by the Devils.


Of course... Anyone who says the play should have been blown dead because of the deflection to the corner either doesn't watch a lot of hockey or is completely unfamiliar with the rules of hockey (could be both, I suppose).

This is why you go with short, high percentage passes when your net is empty.
 
2013-03-22 03:43:22 PM

keylock71: farking hilarious...

And Bruins manage to not blow it in the third last night.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 482x642]


But Toronto did.  On the plus side we all got to see Kaleta get beaten like a redheaded stepchild.
 
2013-03-22 03:59:50 PM

Fubegra: That helped solidify Winnipeg's shaky position on top of the Southeast, so I'm good with it.


Didn't Winnipeg get shutout last night?
 
2013-03-22 04:00:43 PM

Flappyhead: On the plus side we all got to see Kaleta get beaten like a redheaded stepchild.


Dammit, I missed that. Who beat his ass?
 
2013-03-22 04:03:05 PM
Nash not even getting a hearing is a travesty.
 
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