CheetahOlivetti: But I think in this case she did have a point.
GAT_00: CheetahOlivetti: But I think in this case she did have a point.If she was so offended, why did she not engage the people who offended her directly in any form? She instead chose to engage in direct character assassination to a wide audience, resulting in one of them being fired.Quite a point she had. So very, very offended, she couldn't even muster the ability to say so in person! She was more than happy to say so to whatever thousands of Internet audience she has, but actually address the offending statement? Why no, that's simply unthinkable. Better to get them fired without ever telling them that you're offended.Whatever point she might have had is utterly obliterated by her obscene overreaction.
Tellingthem: GAT_00: CheetahOlivetti: But I think in this case she did have a point.If she was so offended, why did she not engage the people who offended her directly in any form? She instead chose to engage in direct character assassination to a wide audience, resulting in one of them being fired.Quite a point she had. So very, very offended, she couldn't even muster the ability to say so in person! She was more than happy to say so to whatever thousands of Internet audience she has, but actually address the offending statement? Why no, that's simply unthinkable. Better to get them fired without ever telling them that you're offended.Whatever point she might have had is utterly obliterated by her obscene overreaction.Seriously...a quick "hey guys could you quiet down I'm trying to listen to the speakers" would have probably solved a simple problem. If they escalated it or hell, if you didn't even want to talk to them, get up and find someone in security to throw them out.
BarkingUnicorn: is a consultant
TuteTibiImperes: FTFA: Regardless of what you think of the joke itself, it is sexist to contribute (willfully or cluelessly! Ignorance is not an excuse!) to a hostile work environment for women. Full stop. If you didn't realize you were doing it, that means you haven't bothered to think critically about women's comfort and needs.I don't know if I agree with that. On one hand, workplaces shouldn't be hostile towards employees based on gender, but on the other hand, is it right to ask an entire field to change its culture just because more women are starting to join the ranks?Technology related fields have been male dominated for a long time, and they've developed a culture that works for those in it. More women joining the ranks is a good thing overall, but why should the status-quo be expected to change to accommodate the newcomers as opposed to the newcomers adapting to change to the status-quo? Why should those working in the field be expected to "think critically about women's comfort and needs" when the women are the ones asking to come in? Personal attacks and harassment are one thing, and that would obviously be wrong, but if dorky dongle jokes and crude humor are acceptable currently, perhaps anyone bothered to such a high degree by that should just find another field instead of asking the majority to change for their fragile sensibilities.
SoothinglyDeranged: "Men making dick jokes makes the work environment hostile to women! How dare you all!" As a guy who works in the tech industry, the women make more sex jokes than I do, and not it's not their attempt to fit in to the boys club. They do it because they farking well enjoy sex jokes. You don't see me crying in my milk after hearing 3 days of menstruation jokes. Get the fark over yourselves.
spqr_ca: Wow, color me shocked... We have a bunch of techies with their panties in a knot because she called a couple of them out. Fark them and fark you. It's that kind of stupid shiat that leads to that insanity in Ohio and if you can't see that, you're farking stupid, period. I have no sympathy for them and the company that fired her is not worthy of being spat upon, period.And no, farknuts, I'm not going to debate this shiat with you. If you support the idiots that she outed or the company that fired her, you're worth less than what I dropped into the toilet this morning.
Lorelle: But instead, the internet decided to throw one epic farking tantrum. First, one of the men pictured in Richards's photographs was fired from his job (his company was one of the sponsors of PyCon). Richards did not call for him to be fired, nor did she celebrate the decision, according to this post. Nonetheless, Richards's company SendGrid-NOT the company that fired the dude-was subject to a DDoS attack courtesy of 4chan (their express purpose was to "ruin her life"). She's also been subjected to the usual avalanche of violent harassment and rape threats that descends upon any woman who dares to criticize male-dominated tech culture (see: Sarkeesian, Anita; also everything else ever). Sidenote to tech dudes: GET A farkING GRIP.That's sick.Let me guess...those dudes who deliberately set out to hurt her are from Steubenville, right?SendGrid subsequently fired Richards.That often happens to whistleblowers, unfortunately.
Tellingthem: Whistleblower? I would not consider that anywhere near whistleblower status. A couple of guys at a conference were cracking bad jokes to each other. And she tweeted about it to get them thrown out. Not exactly uncovering some grand corporate scheme...
God-is-a-Taco: Please don't link to Jezebel. These people are better left ignored.
TV's Vinnie: I had another link submitted from Forbes.com, but the mods didn't like it. So, no longer able to re-submit that link (only TFers get that perk it seems), I had to find a different news source.
feckingmorons: BarkingUnicorn: is a consultantWAS
neongoats: But they are just some white guys, the bearers of patriarchy and phallic oppression.
TV's Vinnie: [oi50.tinypic.com image 643x799]
WhyteRaven74: neongoats: But they are just some white guys, the bearers of patriarchy and phallic oppression.and they were breaking conference rules.
parazen: Right now is the wrong time to piss off women. I'm not talking specifically about this case, I'm talking about what I've seen on Facebook among my own friends. There's a lot of frustration out there right now, and a TON of Facebook posts about rape - especially thanks to the CNN coverage of that one case where the bright upstanding jocks raped the passed out girl.Be careful. There's an unusual undercurrent going on right now, and it is not the time to challenge women on sexual harassment.
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