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(Jezebel)   Woman at tech conference hears two guys several rows behind her snickering about "dongles". In response, she C) takes their photo & raises a huge feminist stink about how offended she was online, getting one of the guys (a father of three) fired   (jezebel.com) divider line 633
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2013-03-21 09:55:53 PM
And she got fired, too.  Even better, her former employer saw fit to comment publicly on the reason.
 
2013-03-21 10:02:17 PM
You mean the professional victim. She complains about everything.
She can go back to waiting tables.
 
2013-03-21 10:15:49 PM
But she's the 32nd Most Influential Woman in Tech!


32. Adria Richards - Game Changer


Adria (@AdriaRichards) is a consultant who works with businesses to help them leverage their use of technology. She also creates and delivers educational workshops to organizations andblogs about her experiences in tech at ButYoureAGirl.com.She has presented at several conferences on technology and social media including SXSW, Web 2.0 Expo, BlogHer, The Black Enterprise Entrepreneurs Conference and more.She is based in San Francisco.
 
2013-03-21 10:26:36 PM
"Men making dick jokes makes the work environment hostile to women! How dare you all!" As a guy who works in the tech industry, the women make more sex jokes than I do, and not it's not their attempt to fit in to the boys club. They do it because they farking well enjoy sex jokes. You don't see me crying in my milk after hearing 3 days of menstruation jokes. Get the fark over yourselves.
 
2013-03-21 10:30:01 PM
I'm a woman working in the tech field, and I go to conferences like this all the time. I'm pretty thick-skinned, I think "dongle" is a funny word, and i've been known to make some rude jokes myself. But I think in this case she did have a point. I wouldn't have taken it public with pics of the offenders, though.
 
2013-03-21 10:47:27 PM
So not only did this lady lose her own job, but she did it in such a way that there is now a permanent internet record that she's a thin skinned rabble-rouser.  I have a feeling that's going to limit her employment opportunities in the future.
 
2013-03-21 11:02:02 PM

CheetahOlivetti: But I think in this case she did have a point.


If she was so offended, why did she not engage the people who offended her directly in any form?  She instead chose to engage in direct character assassination to a wide audience, resulting in one of them being fired.

Quite a point she had.  So very, very offended, she couldn't even muster the ability to say so in person!  She was more than happy to say so to whatever thousands of Internet audience she has, but actually address the offending statement?  Why no, that's simply unthinkable.  Better to get them fired without ever telling them that you're offended.

Whatever point she might have had is utterly obliterated by her obscene overreaction.
 
2013-03-21 11:18:38 PM

GAT_00: CheetahOlivetti: But I think in this case she did have a point.

If she was so offended, why did she not engage the people who offended her directly in any form?  She instead chose to engage in direct character assassination to a wide audience, resulting in one of them being fired.

Quite a point she had.  So very, very offended, she couldn't even muster the ability to say so in person!  She was more than happy to say so to whatever thousands of Internet audience she has, but actually address the offending statement?  Why no, that's simply unthinkable.  Better to get them fired without ever telling them that you're offended.

Whatever point she might have had is utterly obliterated by her obscene overreaction.


Seriously...a quick "hey guys could you quiet down I'm trying to listen to the speakers" would have probably solved a simple problem. If they escalated it or hell, if you didn't even want to talk to them, get up and find someone in security to throw them out.
 
2013-03-21 11:38:48 PM

Tellingthem: GAT_00: CheetahOlivetti: But I think in this case she did have a point.

If she was so offended, why did she not engage the people who offended her directly in any form?  She instead chose to engage in direct character assassination to a wide audience, resulting in one of them being fired.

Quite a point she had.  So very, very offended, she couldn't even muster the ability to say so in person!  She was more than happy to say so to whatever thousands of Internet audience she has, but actually address the offending statement?  Why no, that's simply unthinkable.  Better to get them fired without ever telling them that you're offended.

Whatever point she might have had is utterly obliterated by her obscene overreaction.

Seriously...a quick "hey guys could you quiet down I'm trying to listen to the speakers" would have probably solved a simple problem. If they escalated it or hell, if you didn't even want to talk to them, get up and find someone in security to throw them out.


If they had refused to apologize and cease their comments, or if they had made openly sexist comments (I don't view comments that are more or less dick jokes to be sexist toward women, sorry.  That's not demeaning women in any way in my eyes, that's men joking at themselves), then she had a legitimate case for saying so.  Trying to ruin them?  I don't think so.  But she went so far beyond a rational response that I view this as almost entirely her fault.  This reeks of someone who wanted something to be offended by and dammit she found something.  Now to spread that offense to the Internet for publicity!
 
2013-03-21 11:42:01 PM

BarkingUnicorn: is a consultant


WAS
 
2013-03-21 11:43:23 PM

GAT_00: CheetahOlivetti: But I think in this case she did have a point.

If she was so offended, why did she not engage the people who offended her directly in any form?  She instead chose to engage in direct character assassination to a wide audience, resulting in one of them being fired.

Quite a point she had.  So very, very offended, she couldn't even muster the ability to say so in person!  She was more than happy to say so to whatever thousands of Internet audience she has, but actually address the offending statement?  Why no, that's simply unthinkable.  Better to get them fired without ever telling them that you're offended.

Whatever point she might have had is utterly obliterated by her obscene overreaction.


Holy sheet, I agree with GAT. Somebody quote this so he can see it.
 
2013-03-21 11:57:08 PM
FTFA: Regardless of what you think of the joke itself, it is sexist to contribute (willfully or cluelessly! Ignorance is not an excuse!) to a hostile work environment for women. Full stop. If you didn't realize you were doing it, that means you haven't bothered to think critically about women's comfort and needs.

I don't know if I agree with that.  On one hand, workplaces shouldn't be hostile towards employees based on gender, but on the other hand, is it right to ask an entire field to change its culture just because more women are starting to join the ranks?

Technology related fields have been male dominated for a long time, and they've developed a culture that works for those in it.  More women joining the ranks is a good thing overall, but why should the status-quo be expected to change to accommodate the newcomers as opposed to the newcomers adapting to change to the status-quo?  Why should those working in the field be expected to "think critically about women's comfort and needs" when the women are the ones asking to come in?  Personal attacks and harassment are one thing, and that would obviously be wrong, but if dorky dongle jokes and crude humor are acceptable currently, perhaps anyone bothered to such a high degree by that should just find another field instead of asking the majority to change for their fragile sensibilities.
 
2013-03-22 12:02:43 AM

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA: Regardless of what you think of the joke itself, it is sexist to contribute (willfully or cluelessly! Ignorance is not an excuse!) to a hostile work environment for women. Full stop. If you didn't realize you were doing it, that means you haven't bothered to think critically about women's comfort and needs.

I don't know if I agree with that.  On one hand, workplaces shouldn't be hostile towards employees based on gender, but on the other hand, is it right to ask an entire field to change its culture just because more women are starting to join the ranks?

Technology related fields have been male dominated for a long time, and they've developed a culture that works for those in it.  More women joining the ranks is a good thing overall, but why should the status-quo be expected to change to accommodate the newcomers as opposed to the newcomers adapting to change to the status-quo?  Why should those working in the field be expected to "think critically about women's comfort and needs" when the women are the ones asking to come in?  Personal attacks and harassment are one thing, and that would obviously be wrong, but if dorky dongle jokes and crude humor are acceptable currently, perhaps anyone bothered to such a high degree by that should just find another field instead of asking the majority to change for their fragile sensibilities.


At least they didn't mount her drive.
 
2013-03-22 12:07:35 AM

SoothinglyDeranged: "Men making dick jokes makes the work environment hostile to women! How dare you all!" As a guy who works in the tech industry, the women make more sex jokes than I do, and not it's not their attempt to fit in to the boys club. They do it because they farking well enjoy sex jokes. You don't see me crying in my milk after hearing 3 days of menstruation jokes. Get the fark over yourselves.


I think it depends on the woman. There are some female friends of mine that I would never tell anything off-color to, because I know it would make them uncomfortable, and I respect that (I tend not to do so at work anyway, since I would rather keep things on a professional level). On the other hand, I remember one coworker that, although she would become upset at certain sexist remarks, thought it was hilarious to tell Lorena Bobbitt (remember her?) jokes for several weeks during the trial. And not just jokes -- she actually showed me a Xeroxed cartoon (seriously, Jurassic Prick? I don't think that's a very good pun.) I'm sure a joke in front of her about cutting off a boob would have put me in HR, though. She was kind of an odd person anyway, though, and most of my female friends aren't quite as contradictory.
 
2013-03-22 12:12:14 AM
yeah, that's an over-reaction, a sharp glare would have sufficed. I hope she never works in a professional kitchen.
 
2013-03-22 12:20:02 AM
Wow, color me shocked... We have a bunch of techies with their panties in a knot because she called a couple of them out. Fark them and fark you. It's that kind of stupid shiat that leads to that insanity in Ohio and if you can't see that, you're farking stupid, period. I have no sympathy for them and the company that fired her is not worthy of being spat upon, period.

And no, farknuts, I'm not going to debate this shiat with you. If you support the idiots that she outed or the company that fired her, you're worth less than what I dropped into the toilet this morning.
 
2013-03-22 12:24:26 AM

spqr_ca: Wow, color me shocked... We have a bunch of techies with their panties in a knot because she called a couple of them out. Fark them and fark you. It's that kind of stupid shiat that leads to that insanity in Ohio and if you can't see that, you're farking stupid, period. I have no sympathy for them and the company that fired her is not worthy of being spat upon, period.

And no, farknuts, I'm not going to debate this shiat with you. If you support the idiots that she outed or the company that fired her, you're worth less than what I dropped into the toilet this morning.


Your toothbrush? Gross.
 
2013-03-22 12:28:42 AM

spqr_ca: Wow, color me shocked... We have a bunch of techies with their panties in a knot because she called a couple of them out. Fark them and fark you. It's that kind of stupid shiat that leads to that insanity in Ohio and if you can't see that, you're farking stupid, period. I have no sympathy for them and the company that fired her is not worthy of being spat upon, period.

And no, farknuts, I'm not going to debate this shiat with you. If you support the idiots that she outed or the company that fired her, you're worth less than what I dropped into the toilet this morning.


your poop joke offends me
 
2013-03-22 12:30:06 AM
feckingmorons:

At least they didn't mount her drive.

Or flash their ROMs at her.
 
2013-03-22 12:31:49 AM

spqr_ca: Wow, color me shocked... We have a bunch of techies with their panties in a knot because she called a couple of them out. Fark them and fark you. It's that kind of stupid shiat that leads to that insanity in Ohio and if you can't see that, you're farking stupid, period. I have no sympathy for them and the company that fired her is not worthy of being spat upon, period.

And no, farknuts, I'm not going to debate this shiat with you. If you support the idiots that she outed or the company that fired her, you're worth less than what I dropped into the toilet this morning.


www.troll.me
 
2013-03-22 12:36:51 AM

spqr_ca: Wow, color me shocked... We have a bunch of techies with their panties in a knot because she called a couple of them out. Fark them and fark you. It's that kind of stupid shiat that leads to that insanity in Ohio and if you can't see that, you're farking stupid, period. I have no sympathy for them and the company that fired her is not worthy of being spat upon, period.

And no, farknuts, I'm not going to debate this shiat with you. If you support the idiots that she outed or the company that fired her, you're worth less than what I dropped into the toilet this morning.


Got admit, these guys do like pretty rape-y:

cdn0.dailydot.com
 
2013-03-22 01:19:43 AM

spqr_ca: Wow, color me shocked... We have a bunch of techies with their panties in a knot because she called a couple of them out. Fark them and fark you. It's that kind of stupid shiat that leads to that insanity in Ohio and if you can't see that, you're farking stupid, period. I have no sympathy for them and the company that fired her is not worthy of being spat upon, period.

And no, farknuts, I'm not going to debate this shiat with you. If you support the idiots that she outed or the company that fired her, you're worth less than what I dropped into the toilet this morning.


I find your stupidity offensive. It's also deeply insulting to the mentally disabled community. Stop it.
 
2013-03-22 01:23:12 AM
But instead, the internet decided to throw one epic farking tantrum. First, one of the men pictured in Richards's photographs was fired from his job (his company was one of the sponsors of PyCon). Richards did not call for him to be fired, nor did she celebrate the decision, according to this post. Nonetheless, Richards's company SendGrid-NOT the company that fired the dude-was subject to a DDoS attack courtesy of 4chan (their express purpose was to "ruin her life"). She's also been subjected to the usual avalanche of violent harassment and rape threats that descends upon any woman who dares to criticize male-dominated tech culture (see: Sarkeesian, Anita; also everything else ever). Sidenote to tech dudes: GET A farkING GRIP.

That's sick.

Let me guess...those dudes who deliberately set out to hurt her are from Steubenville, right?

SendGrid subsequently fired Richards.

That often happens to whistleblowers, unfortunately.
 
2013-03-22 01:49:11 AM

Lorelle: But instead, the internet decided to throw one epic farking tantrum. First, one of the men pictured in Richards's photographs was fired from his job (his company was one of the sponsors of PyCon). Richards did not call for him to be fired, nor did she celebrate the decision, according to this post. Nonetheless, Richards's company SendGrid-NOT the company that fired the dude-was subject to a DDoS attack courtesy of 4chan (their express purpose was to "ruin her life"). She's also been subjected to the usual avalanche of violent harassment and rape threats that descends upon any woman who dares to criticize male-dominated tech culture (see: Sarkeesian, Anita; also everything else ever). Sidenote to tech dudes: GET A farkING GRIP.

That's sick.

Let me guess...those dudes who deliberately set out to hurt her are from Steubenville, right?

SendGrid subsequently fired Richards.

That often happens to whistleblowers, unfortunately.


Whistleblower? I would not consider that anywhere near whistleblower status. A couple of guys at a conference were cracking bad jokes to each other. And she tweeted about it to get them thrown out. Not exactly uncovering some grand corporate scheme...
 
2013-03-22 01:58:47 AM

Tellingthem: Whistleblower? I would not consider that anywhere near whistleblower status. A couple of guys at a conference were cracking bad jokes to each other. And she tweeted about it to get them thrown out. Not exactly uncovering some grand corporate scheme...


Yeah, I have to agree, this is not a "whistleblower" case.

Stupid situation all around, though. They were being idiots, she responded like an idiot, and then the idiots and trolls came out of the f*cking woodwork all over the web.

/hehe..."whistleblower"
 
2013-03-22 02:12:02 AM
oi50.tinypic.com
oi50.tinypic.com
oi47.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-22 02:14:42 AM
Please don't link to Jezebel. These people are better left ignored.
 
2013-03-22 02:19:46 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Please don't link to Jezebel. These people are better left ignored.


I had another link submitted from Forbes.com, but the mods didn't like it. So, no longer able to re-submit that link (only TFers get that perk it seems), I had to find a different news source.

And, how about this link instead, which I found just now?

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/dongle-gate-the-sterilization-o f- men-in-tech-culture/comment-page-1/
 
2013-03-22 02:20:10 AM
Anita Sarkeesian's sister?
 
2013-03-22 02:23:57 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Please don't link to Jezebel. These people are better left ignored.


I have spent a few hours there in my time and have to disagree.
 
2013-03-22 02:24:31 AM

TV's Vinnie: I had another link submitted from Forbes.com, but the mods didn't like it. So, no longer able to re-submit that link (only TFers get that perk it seems), I had to find a different news source.


I haven't submitted anything in a while, but normally you just need to toss a question mark and a random string at the end of a previously submitted link in order to submit it.

I'd use more technical language, but it's late, and f*ck it.
 
2013-03-22 02:25:52 AM
She sounds like an idiot.  Probably a blast at parties too.
 
2013-03-22 02:27:50 AM

feckingmorons: BarkingUnicorn: is a consultant

WAS


IS

Now she is just freelance...
 
2013-03-22 02:28:06 AM
Woman has a past history of being a complete wackadoo and a PITA to every employer she's been with. Here's one example of her asshattery:

http://bizsecurity.about.com/b/2009/03/17/norm-coleman-v-adria-richa rd s.htm
 
2013-03-22 02:28:44 AM
Right now is the wrong time to piss off women. I'm not talking specifically about this case, I'm talking about what I've seen on Facebook among my own friends. There's a lot of frustration out there right now, and a TON of Facebook posts about rape - especially thanks to the CNN coverage of that one case where the bright upstanding jocks raped the passed out girl.

Be careful. There's an unusual undercurrent going on right now, and it is not the time to challenge women on sexual harassment.
 
2013-03-22 02:29:16 AM

Tellingthem: Whistleblower? I would not consider that anywhere near whistleblower status. A couple of guys at a conference were cracking bad jokes to each other. And she tweeted about it to get them thrown out. Not exactly uncovering some grand corporate scheme...


I'll repost part of the quote I originally posted: First, one of the men pictured in Richards's photographs was fired from his job (his company was one of the sponsors of PyCon)

The dude violated the event's Code of Conduct. Definitely NOT a cool thing for a sponsor's employee to do.

Excerpt from The Short Version:

All communication should be appropriate for a professional audience including people of many different backgrounds. Sexual language and imagery is not appropriate for any conference venue, including talks.

Be kind to others. Do not insult or put down other attendees. Behave professionally. Remember that harassment and sexist, racist, or exclusionary jokes are not appropriate for PyCon.


Excerpt from The Longer Version:

Be careful in the words that you choose. Remember that sexist, racist, and other exclusionary jokes can be offensive to those around you. Excessive swearing and offensive jokes are not appropriate for PyCon.
Yes, she blew the whistle on the dude, and paid for it dearly.
 
2013-03-22 02:32:05 AM
So rather than being an adult and simply talking to an usher or convention security, she basically tried to slutshame some guys to the general populace, and got one fired. The irony is crushing.

But they are just some white guys, the bearers of patriarchy and phallic oppression.

Hint: if you don't feel like the space you're in is for "you", you have a mental farking problem. Most people, regardless of race or gender, generally manage to feel just fine in public, no more threatened than they feel at the grocery store.

If you walk around feeling oppressed or paranoid or scared of phalluses and rape culture and the patriarchy getting you while you aren't looking, you probably need psychotherapy.
 
2013-03-22 02:32:56 AM
I think it's pretty clear there's no good guy in this story, but luckily everyone got their ass kicked so the winner is the reader, which is all of us. Congratulations everyone.
 
2013-03-22 02:33:28 AM
Wouldn't it have been easier for her to take a Midol instead of taking pictures, uploading them, typing some uptight comment, and tweeting it?

Keep it simple stupid.

How long before she says something about being fired cause blah?
 
2013-03-22 02:34:30 AM
Lorelle:

The dude violated the event's Code of Conduct. Definitely NOT a cool thing for a sponsor's employee to do.

As did Richards through her own actions.  PyCon is now busy reviewing its policies and hopes to have a fully updated CoC soon.

Oops.
 
2013-03-22 02:35:14 AM

neongoats: But they are just some white guys, the bearers of patriarchy and phallic oppression.


and they were breaking conference rules.
 
2013-03-22 02:35:17 AM
tofusaur.us
 
2013-03-22 02:38:13 AM

TV's Vinnie: [oi50.tinypic.com image 643x799]


Just...wow.
 
2013-03-22 02:39:09 AM

WhyteRaven74: neongoats: But they are just some white guys, the bearers of patriarchy and phallic oppression.

and they were breaking conference rules.


Yep, and so did she.

An adult could have handled it, well, like an adult. She decided to be poutraged about it in a public forum, rather than simply talking to convention security or an usher or some kind of hotel management.

Nope, heard a dirty tech joke, tweeted picture of people doing it to slut shame them.
 
2013-03-22 02:40:12 AM
I thought harrassment used to have to have a target. Like I would have to tap you on the shoulder and start talking to you about my balls and asking if you would be interested in seeing them.
 
2013-03-22 02:44:27 AM
IDK the dongle thing seems a bit far (arseholes will be arseholes) but if I was discussing forking in a programmatical sense with someone and an oinking jackass started turning it into "farking" jokes when they weren't involved in the conversation in the slightest, I'd give them a farking backhander.

You don't start making sex jokes at a stranger.  Let alone during a farking business convention
 
2013-03-22 02:44:54 AM

parazen: Right now is the wrong time to piss off women. I'm not talking specifically about this case, I'm talking about what I've seen on Facebook among my own friends. There's a lot of frustration out there right now, and a TON of Facebook posts about rape - especially thanks to the CNN coverage of that one case where the bright upstanding jocks raped the passed out girl.

Be careful. There's an unusual undercurrent going on right now, and it is not the time to challenge women on sexual harassment.


Sorry, but feminaziism is going too far and needs to be stopped cold and asap. There's even a law being proposed in the EU to ban ALL forms of porn in the name of "protecting the women" and the same excuse is being used to ban porn in Iceland.

And then this hooah comes along and gets a father of three unemployed because she thought what she heard was something sexist.

That is intimidation on her part. She could have taken a more tactful road and simply addressed the yahoos calmly after the event and told them that she wasn't too keen with their snickering, but she has a past history of using her gender as a weapon to hurt people, so she ran straight to the Internet to raise her own private army like she always does and have them do her dirty work (so much for being an empowered and independent female).

That was setting a very, scary precedent. Imagine if someone from the WBC went around getting people to harass the employers of gay people. That would be a suck-ass tactic, wouldn't it? Well, that's what this screeching vagina was doing from her end of the political spectrum.

Little did she realize that the Internet is also where 4chan dwells, and the fine upstanding folks at /b/ & /pol/ weren't going to let this demagoguery go unanswered. Many docs were dropped and pizzas sent, and by the end of the week this militant tampon-cannon got a dose of her own medicine.
 
2013-03-22 02:44:59 AM

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA: Regardless of what you think of the joke itself, it is sexist to contribute (willfully or cluelessly! Ignorance is not an excuse!) to a hostile work environment for women. Full stop. If you didn't realize you were doing it, that means you haven't bothered to think critically about women's comfort and needs.

I don't know if I agree with that.  On one hand, workplaces shouldn't be hostile towards employees based on gender, but on the other hand, is it right to ask an entire field to change its culture just because more women are starting to join the ranks?

Technology related fields have been male dominated for a long time, and they've developed a culture that works for those in it.  More women joining the ranks is a good thing overall, but why should the status-quo be expected to change to accommodate the newcomers as opposed to the newcomers adapting to change to the status-quo?  Why should those working in the field be expected to "think critically about women's comfort and needs" when the women are the ones asking to come in?  Personal attacks and harassment are one thing, and that would obviously be wrong, but if dorky dongle jokes and crude humor are acceptable currently, perhaps anyone bothered to such a high degree by that should just find another field instead of asking the majority to change for their fragile sensibilities.


...really?

"We shouldn't change just because [protected class] wants to join us and not feel harassed."

Is there one example of this, historically, where the "we" weren't just assholes?
 
2013-03-22 02:46:56 AM

Lorelle: But instead, the internet decided to throw one epic farking tantrum. First, one of the men pictured in Richards's photographs was fired from his job (his company was one of the sponsors of PyCon). Richards did not call for him to be fired, nor did she celebrate the decision, according to this post. Nonetheless, Richards's company SendGrid-NOT the company that fired the dude-was subject to a DDoS attack courtesy of 4chan (their express purpose was to "ruin her life"). She's also been subjected to the usual avalanche of violent harassment and rape threats that descends upon any woman who dares to criticize male-dominated tech culture (see: Sarkeesian, Anita; also everything else ever). Sidenote to tech dudes: GET A farkING GRIP.

That's sick.

Let me guess...those dudes who deliberately set out to hurt her are from Steubenville, right?

SendGrid subsequently fired Richards.

That often happens to whistleblowers, unfortunately.


She was a contractor.  Her contract was to develop amicable relationships with developers. She pissed off the developer community.  She could not fulfill her contract. Her contract was ended.
 
2013-03-22 02:49:13 AM
I spent a couple of years teaching basic tech knowledge to college students, and dongles and forking are the least of your worries.  Having had to entertain at least thirty minutes after each hour long basic PC session entertaining the notions of socially forward thinkers who considered anything from the idea of male and female connections, master/slave drives, and other terms common in discussing basic computers.

Of course I also had a student write a very strongly worded letter to the guy who hired me to teach the course for around thirty bucks about how the phrase 'abort/retry/fail' was offensive to their pro-life ideology so the idiocy can belong to members of plenty of sociopolitical stripes.

/ Dongle is a fun word
// Dongledongledongle
/// I can fork all night baby
 
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