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2013-03-21 10:43:29 PM
4 votes:
You want to know why Leno is hated and deserves to be hated?

It's really simple and it has nothing to do with Letterman or O'brien or anything else.

It has to do with the fact that he helped push Carson out of his show.

Carson didn't want to go, but he was a gentleman to the end and didn't jump to another network, he didn't talk crap about Leno after the fact, he simply smiled and slipped into retirement.

Though, he did reportedly regularly send Letterman jokes for him to use in his monologue.

Leno is a dick and a coward and he'll be remembered as a backstabber to the end of his days.
2013-03-22 01:44:08 AM
3 votes:
I hate Leno because I find him unfunny. Period. Not. Funny.

Hacky jokes, stolen bits, stolen "talent" (Stuttering John), and the only actual funny bits are crowd-sourced (Headlines) and all he does is smirk. (Although to be fair I'm not sure anyone crowd-sourced bits before him. So kudos for bringing lazy comedy into the mainstream)

Factor in the fact that he's a world-class prick who forced Carson into retirement, stole the gig from Letterman (WHILE EAVESDROPPING IN A G-D CLOSET), ruined NBC's prime-time schedule and ratings, and then farked Conan six ways from Sunday - what is there left to LIKE about this no talent hack?

"Oh, my Nana loves him!" - your Nana also liked Petticoat Junction and I Dream of Jeannie - that doesn't mean they weren't crap. There was just less competition. There's a reason so many talk shows exist now - more channels and the odd executive willing to gamble on actual talent and originality.

And on top of EVERYTHING else, Kimmel DESTROYED Leno on Leno's own show. Even Leno's AUDIENCE turned on him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joXYj2IoKXs
2013-03-21 10:34:34 PM
3 votes:

Happy Hours: I don't understand the hate for Leno.


He's not funny?
2013-03-21 09:30:18 PM
3 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: People still watch late night TV talk shows?

OK, OK, I'm actually not that guy. If I watch, it's usually Leno. He's a safe, known quantity, and people stick with what they're comfortable with. Edgy means taking people out of their comfort zone, and few people will subject themselves to that consistently when they're trying to relax and wind down after a long day at work.

I've never understood why a business would put the brakes on a demonstrably successful product. What, they want younger viewers? Why? Young people don't have money and they have little interest in shows that their grandparents would recognize and enjoy. The affluent Boomers have all the money, and they're clearly the dominant late-night demographic. Fallon won't pull them in like Leno will, and NBC will live to regret this decision. Again.


I get the feeling Fallon is being put there to finally put the Tonight Show to pasture.  Times change, and the last thing anybody really wants to see is an hour-long commercial kissing the latest celebrity ass.  To say that Leno was Number 1 for 21 years is a bit of a joke that ignores the massive jump in communications that occurred a few years after Leno got the gig full-time that started the erosion of network TV's dominance that is still being felt today.

The days of staying up late to watch celebrities is fading.  And Comcast probably wants to start cleaning out the institutions of NBC so they can make it theirs.  And truth be told, they do have a valid point:  a lot of those institutions haven't been relevant for years.
2013-03-22 12:40:55 AM
2 votes:

andychrist420: TheJoe03: Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .

His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.


Yeah, and some people like bloodsausage. People are idiots.

Leno is a dick and he'll always be remembered as Carson's spare.
2013-03-22 12:09:22 AM
2 votes:
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I think Fallon is the closest thing to Johnny Carson there is on television right now, and they really need a Johnny Carson. Fallon is the only host I see that allows guests their time in the spotlight, without all the posing and preening and quipping that the other hosts to do massage their own egos. Fallon has many of the traits that made Carson such a good host. Carson (at least on set) was the nicest most patient guy in the business, and Fallon has that same on-air personality.
2013-03-21 11:48:32 PM
2 votes:
'Cause he's a douche.
2013-03-21 11:22:12 PM
2 votes:

Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.


Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .
2013-03-21 09:27:45 PM
2 votes:

ZeroCorpse: People still watch broadcast television?

If it's not on Netflix, Amazon, VUDU, Crackle, or other online sources, then I don't see it. I certainly haven't watched a late night talk show since the 1990s. All they are is advertisement for the guest's current projects, anyway. They're like an hour-long commercial.


Hey, it's that guy.
2013-03-21 09:11:11 PM
2 votes:
I walked out of Jay's show in Vegas about a year ago.  I want to like the guy because of his bike and car stuff, but I couldn't stomach the show.  He raced on stage and started firing away the not so funny jokes.  I remember thinking "how bout that airline food'.   Seemed like he was trying to get through the material as quick as possible so he could get to the tables or a hooker by 11 and back to LA by 4.

/Plus the Letterman and Conan stuff
2013-03-21 08:58:57 PM
2 votes:
Because he's a farking asshole?
2013-03-22 03:25:25 PM
1 votes:

Kyosuke: I know it's not a popular opinion, but I think Fallon is the closest thing to Johnny Carson there is on television right now, and they really need a Johnny Carson. Fallon is the only host I see that allows guests their time in the spotlight, without all the posing and preening and quipping that the other hosts to do massage their own egos. Fallon has many of the traits that made Carson such a good host. Carson (at least on set) was the nicest most patient guy in the business, and Fallon has that same on-air personality.


This in no way reflects my experience watching Fallon's show. I'll grant that he seems like a nice guy and he does some good impressions, but his interviews remind me of that Chris Farley Show skit, "Remember when you were in _____? That was awesome." Awkward and nothing to say.

The one host who sounds like he's having an actual conversation with the guest is Ferguson (as evidenced by his ritual of ripping up the cards whenever a new guest sits down). Half the time they forget to talk about the movie or show they're promoting.
2013-03-22 10:16:22 AM
1 votes:

DjangoStonereaver: Happy Hours: Kyosuke: Happy Hours: ...but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.

Which is probably one of the reasons Carson was such a good HOST.

A host isn't supposed to be the life of the party. A host is supposed to allow his guests to be.

That's a fair point and one I hadn't considered

The other thing about Carson that aside from his Jack Benny-esque sense of comic timing which he used
to become a very effective interviewer, he was also a promoter of up-and-coming talent.

Compare how many big comics of the 70s and 80s got their start with a TONIGHT SHOW appearance vs
how many got their big breaks under Leno.


Trudat.  And you really had to earn your plug time with Johhny.  If Johnny liked you, he invited you to do stand up on his show.  If that went well, you were invited back again.  If THAT went well, you'd get a third invite but this time you'd get a segment on the couch after your routine where Johnny played the straight man and you were expected to be "on" for the entire segment.  Now only if all of that went OK, then your next time on the couch you could talk about upcoming projects and whatnot.
2013-03-22 09:10:07 AM
1 votes:
None of these talk show guys would ever have had a job if the whole genre wasn't created by:

www.erniekovacs.net
2013-03-22 08:48:48 AM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: Kyosuke: Happy Hours: ...but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.

Which is probably one of the reasons Carson was such a good HOST.

A host isn't supposed to be the life of the party. A host is supposed to allow his guests to be.

That's a fair point and one I hadn't considered


The other thing about Carson that aside from his Jack Benny-esque sense of comic timing which he used
to become a very effective interviewer, he was also a promoter of up-and-coming talent.

Compare how many big comics of the 70s and 80s got their start with a TONIGHT SHOW appearance vs
how many got their big breaks under Leno.
2013-03-22 08:20:16 AM
1 votes:
Every Jay Leno monologue since 1990:

"Some woman couldn't fit in her plane seat. Boy, how fat are we as a country... Did you hear [latest celebrity] got in a car crash? Heeeeeey! Have I done my Arnold Schwarzenegger impression yet? DEES-EES-MAI-AHHHNOLD-SCHWAAAARTZENEEEEGAH-IMPREEESHUN."
2013-03-22 07:05:02 AM
1 votes:

Guntram Shatterhand: I get the feeling Fallon is being put there to finally put the Tonight Show to pasture.  Times change, and the last thing anybody really wants to see is an hour-long commercial kissing the latest celebrity ass.  To say that Leno was Number 1 for 21 years is a bit of a joke that ignores the massive jump in communications that occurred a few years after Leno got the gig full-time that started the erosion of network TV's dominance that is still being felt today.


And there you have it.  The average household received 41 channels in 1995.  It's over 120 now.  Not to mention the Internet, streaming media, and so forth.
2013-03-22 04:12:03 AM
1 votes:

gunther_bumpass: andychrist420: TheJoe03: Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .

His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.

And chef boy-ar-dee is the best selling pasta. Clearly that denotes superior quality.


Quality is rarely a prerequisite for ratings success.
2013-03-22 04:06:03 AM
1 votes:

andychrist420: TheJoe03: Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .

His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.


And chef boy-ar-dee is the best selling pasta. Clearly that denotes superior quality.
2013-03-22 03:04:35 AM
1 votes:
Remember where you heard this crazy thought first:

He'll go to CBS and replace Dave.

Dave wins: He wants his show to be a legacy show like The Tonight Show.  Jay is one of the few hosts that gives the show enough credibility.  Replace Dave with anyone else and it'll probably be gone in a few years.

Jay wins:  He obviously doesn't want to go yet and going to CBS would be the ultimate finger to NBC.  And it's pretty obvious that he's not the company man he used to be.

CBS wins: Leno brings in the ratings and he'll not only bring in the over 30 audience, he'll stop splitting that audience with Dave.

Affiliates win: With the #1 primetime lineup and the ratings champ in late night, the audience will hold over through the evening news which means higher ratings for the evening news where the affiliates really rake in advertising money (which they don't have to share with the network).  The advertisers hold a lot of sway, but it's second to the joint power of the affiliates.  Remember, it was the affiliates that really took down the "Jay Leno Show."
2013-03-22 01:36:20 AM
1 votes:

Lorelle: I adore Jay Leno.


BigJake: only people who can say things like "my urologist" like Leno

2013-03-22 01:11:20 AM
1 votes:

Kyosuke: Happy Hours: ...but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.

Which is probably one of the reasons Carson was such a good HOST.

A host isn't supposed to be the life of the party. A host is supposed to allow his guests to be.


That's a fair point and one I hadn't considered
2013-03-22 12:59:36 AM
1 votes:

ThatBillmanGuy: rugman11: SnarfVader: Happy Hours: I don't understand the hate for Leno. Maybe that's because I'm over 30, but he's funnier than anyone else on late night talk shows with the possible exception of Conan O' Brien.

Oh, let me guess - you hate Conan too.

No, I hate him for what he did to Conan, and I'm over 40.

I don't understand this.  NBC is clearly to blame for the entire mess.  They wanted to put Leno out to pasture before he was ready to retire.  They basically said "You don't have to go home but you can't stay here."  So Leno started looking at other options and NBC freaked about the possibility that he'd end up on ABC or Fox opposite Conan.  The whole 10:00 thing was decent idea except that the affiliates freaked at the low-ish (better than what they're getting now) ratings and so NBC had to choose between the two.  I prefer Conan to Leno, but Jay isn't to blame for that mess.  NBC and their indecisiveness are.

This. While I still dislike Leno, I don't blame him as much as I do NBC


What don't you understand? Leno is absolutely to blame for that mess. If Leno hadn't wanted to come back to hosting the Tonight Show, NBC wouldn't have kicked Conan out.  Leno's 10 pm slot was a disaster for local news and, in turn, a disaster as a lead in to Conan. While NBC is at fault for giving Leno a contract that included a huge buyout to Leno, Leno is at fault for not going gracefully into retirement.
2013-03-22 12:59:18 AM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: ...but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.


Which is probably one of the reasons Carson was such a good HOST.

A host isn't supposed to be the life of the party. A host is supposed to allow his guests to be.
2013-03-22 12:45:50 AM
1 votes:

lack of warmth: Happy Hours: And an interesting thing I just learned from Wikipedia. Johnny Carson only got his gig after "Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason, Groucho Marx, and Joey Bishop all declined".

I'm not sure who Joey Bishop is - maybe I'm just ignorant - but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.

I disagree about Newhart, he is very funny but I don't see him really pulling off a 'host' position.  Jackie wouldn't even need a sidekick, but I am not sure if hosting would be his thing.  However, Groucho would've been amazing.  I think it would've been tough on the guest to somehow be more entertaining than him.  Carson introduced a lot of comedy talent to the masses, but Leno really doesn't like having anyone getting a chance to out perform him.  Even though Carson is the only reason we've heard of Leno.


That's not accurate. Letterman is the only reason we've heard of Leno. He was a regular guest for years when he was still a great stand-up. Gleason and Groucho would've been good hosts, but wouldn't have had Johnny's longevity. They also both would have dominated the show. Newhart, on the other hand, would've been too dry, I think.
2013-03-22 12:38:14 AM
1 votes:
I'll watch a re-run of Letterman I've already seen before I'll watch Leno. Which makes me glad Kimmel moved to 11:35 so I have another option.
2013-03-22 12:13:55 AM
1 votes:
Is there a way to tell if a link is sponsored or not?
2013-03-22 12:12:24 AM
1 votes:

Kyosuke: I know it's not a popular opinion, but I think Fallon is the closest thing to Johnny Carson there is on television right now, and they really need a Johnny Carson. Fallon is the only host I see that allows guests their time in the spotlight, without all the posing and preening and quipping that the other hosts to do massage their own egos. Fallon has many of the traits that made Carson such a good host. Carson (at least on set) was the nicest most patient guy in the business, and Fallon has that same on-air personality.


Yeah and the trouble with Fallon is acts like a 12 year hearing fart jokes for the first time.

Farking allah I wish he would act like an adult. 'Slow jam the news' seriously? This passes for comedy on his show.

And the band looks like they hate him.
2013-03-21 11:27:51 PM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: And an interesting thing I just learned from Wikipedia. Johnny Carson only got his gig after "Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason, Groucho Marx, and Joey Bishop all declined".

I'm not sure who Joey Bishop is - maybe I'm just ignorant - but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.


I disagree about Newhart, he is very funny but I don't see him really pulling off a 'host' position.  Jackie wouldn't even need a sidekick, but I am not sure if hosting would be his thing.  However, Groucho would've been amazing.  I think it would've been tough on the guest to somehow be more entertaining than him.  Carson introduced a lot of comedy talent to the masses, but Leno really doesn't like having anyone getting a chance to out perform him.  Even though Carson is the only reason we've heard of Leno.
2013-03-21 11:27:05 PM
1 votes:
I saw some of Leno's monologue once when I flipping channels many years ago. I was surprised by how sexual his jokes were, a la " Did you hear this? (Insert good-looking actress name) went camping last weekend... I wouldn't mind camping with her, if you know what I mean".

Cue audience laughter.

It was strange.
2013-03-21 11:15:59 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Happy Hours: I don't understand the hate for Leno. Maybe that's because I'm over 30, but he's funnier than anyone else on late night talk shows with the possible exception of Conan O' Brien.


Now, if I turn on my TV and Leno's doing the 'headlines' bit I'll watch, otherwise I'm not particularly entertained.


To the former: I am, as well, over 30 and have decided a long time ago, that Leno wasn't as funny once real competition came about.  Never cared for Letterman, but I liked Kimmel in his old stuff and I am lately enjoying his talk show.  No hate for Conan, he is just a little too silly for my taste.

To the later: This, but I don't watch NBC after 11 pm anymore.  Our local ABC news station is much better, which has played into why I started watching Kimmel.

/Miss the Carson days
2013-03-21 09:41:55 PM
1 votes:
Leno will always be Johnny's guest host.  Just one day Johnny didn't come back.

/Craig Ferguson uber alles.
2013-03-21 09:16:21 PM
1 votes:
Leno tells the best Monica Lewinsky jokes.
2013-03-21 09:06:15 PM
1 votes:
He forced this guy out of town:
25.media.tumblr.com

Which is the ultimate unforgivable sin.
2013-03-21 08:56:24 PM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: I don't understand the hate for Leno. Maybe that's because I'm over 30, but he's funnier than anyone else on late night talk shows with the possible exception of Conan O' Brien.

Oh, let me guess - you hate Conan too.


No, I hate him for what he did to Conan, and I'm over 40.
2013-03-21 08:16:26 PM
1 votes:
People still watch late night TV talk shows?

OK, OK, I'm actually not that guy. If I watch, it's usually Leno. He's a safe, known quantity, and people stick with what they're comfortable with. Edgy means taking people out of their comfort zone, and few people will subject themselves to that consistently when they're trying to relax and wind down after a long day at work.

I've never understood why a business would put the brakes on a demonstrably successful product. What, they want younger viewers? Why? Young people don't have money and they have little interest in shows that their grandparents would recognize and enjoy. The affluent Boomers have all the money, and they're clearly the dominant late-night demographic. Fallon won't pull them in like Leno will, and NBC will live to regret this decision. Again.
2013-03-21 07:30:20 PM
1 votes:
Personal feelings aside, TFA is a good study in how to whiteknight. Jeez. He's wet to the balls now, you don't have to go down any further.
2013-03-21 06:40:01 PM
1 votes:
He's not good - it's just that he's being replaced by worse.
2013-03-21 06:18:16 PM
1 votes:
I don't understand the hate for Leno. Maybe that's because I'm over 30, but he's funnier than anyone else on late night talk shows with the possible exception of Conan O' Brien.

Oh, let me guess - you hate Conan too.

So don't watch him. I have no problem changing the channel when anyone named Craig of Jimmy comes on my TV and I don't endlessly complain about them even though they're about as funny as a Takashi Milke movie.

I also hate buzzfeed and I refuse to click on any more links going to their site.
2013-03-21 06:08:51 PM
1 votes:
leno should have stuck to just being a comic. he's a whole lot less funny when his teabagger tendencies slip out.
 
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