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2013-03-21 06:08:51 PM  
leno should have stuck to just being a comic. he's a whole lot less funny when his teabagger tendencies slip out.
 
2013-03-21 06:18:16 PM  
I don't understand the hate for Leno. Maybe that's because I'm over 30, but he's funnier than anyone else on late night talk shows with the possible exception of Conan O' Brien.

Oh, let me guess - you hate Conan too.

So don't watch him. I have no problem changing the channel when anyone named Craig of Jimmy comes on my TV and I don't endlessly complain about them even though they're about as funny as a Takashi Milke movie.

I also hate buzzfeed and I refuse to click on any more links going to their site.
 
2013-03-21 06:30:07 PM  

Happy Hours: I don't understand the hate for Leno. Maybe that's because I'm over 30, but he's funnier than anyone else on late night talk shows with the possible exception of Conan O' Brien.

Oh, let me guess - you hate Conan too.

So don't watch him. I have no problem changing the channel when anyone named Craig of Jimmy comes on my TV and I don't endlessly complain about them even though they're about as funny as a Takashi Milke movie.

I also hate buzzfeed and I refuse to click on any more links going to their site.


Letterman has gone downhill, but back when he and Leno were both up for the Tonight Show gig, I think Letterman certainly had the edge.  Now, if I turn on my TV and Leno's doing the 'headlines' bit I'll watch, otherwise I'm not particularly entertained.
 
2013-03-21 06:40:01 PM  
He's not good - it's just that he's being replaced by worse.
 
2013-03-21 07:04:41 PM  
i think Leno's great
 
2013-03-21 07:30:20 PM  
Personal feelings aside, TFA is a good study in how to whiteknight. Jeez. He's wet to the balls now, you don't have to go down any further.
 
2013-03-21 08:16:26 PM  
People still watch late night TV talk shows?

OK, OK, I'm actually not that guy. If I watch, it's usually Leno. He's a safe, known quantity, and people stick with what they're comfortable with. Edgy means taking people out of their comfort zone, and few people will subject themselves to that consistently when they're trying to relax and wind down after a long day at work.

I've never understood why a business would put the brakes on a demonstrably successful product. What, they want younger viewers? Why? Young people don't have money and they have little interest in shows that their grandparents would recognize and enjoy. The affluent Boomers have all the money, and they're clearly the dominant late-night demographic. Fallon won't pull them in like Leno will, and NBC will live to regret this decision. Again.
 
2013-03-21 08:20:53 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: People still watch late night TV talk shows?

OK, OK, I'm actually not that guy. If I watch, it's usually Leno. He's a safe, known quantity, and people stick with what they're comfortable with. Edgy means taking people out of their comfort zone, and few people will subject themselves to that consistently when they're trying to relax and wind down after a long day at work.

I've never understood why a business would put the brakes on a demonstrably successful product. What, they want younger viewers? Why? Young people don't have money and they have little interest in shows that their grandparents would recognize and enjoy. The affluent Boomers have all the money, and they're clearly the dominant late-night demographic. Fallon won't pull them in like Leno will, and NBC will live to regret this decision. Again.


Boomers are aging out of the 25-54 demographic that advertisers target.  Many of them are reaching the age where they won't stay up late enough to watch Leno anyway.
 
2013-03-21 08:56:24 PM  

Happy Hours: I don't understand the hate for Leno. Maybe that's because I'm over 30, but he's funnier than anyone else on late night talk shows with the possible exception of Conan O' Brien.

Oh, let me guess - you hate Conan too.


No, I hate him for what he did to Conan, and I'm over 40.
 
2013-03-21 08:58:57 PM  
Because he's a farking asshole?
 
2013-03-21 09:06:15 PM  
He forced this guy out of town:
25.media.tumblr.com

Which is the ultimate unforgivable sin.
 
2013-03-21 09:07:41 PM  
People still watch broadcast television?

If it's not on Netflix, Amazon, VUDU, Crackle, or other online sources, then I don't see it. I certainly haven't watched a late night talk show since the 1990s. All they are is advertisement for the guest's current projects, anyway. They're like an hour-long commercial.
 
2013-03-21 09:11:00 PM  
replace Leno and watch how quickly the ratings tank.
 
2013-03-21 09:11:11 PM  
I walked out of Jay's show in Vegas about a year ago.  I want to like the guy because of his bike and car stuff, but I couldn't stomach the show.  He raced on stage and started firing away the not so funny jokes.  I remember thinking "how bout that airline food'.   Seemed like he was trying to get through the material as quick as possible so he could get to the tables or a hooker by 11 and back to LA by 4.

/Plus the Letterman and Conan stuff
 
2013-03-21 09:12:00 PM  

TheManofPA: He forced this guy out of town:


Which is the ultimate unforgivable sin.


Comedy's Bill Brasky.
 
2013-03-21 09:16:21 PM  
Leno tells the best Monica Lewinsky jokes.
 
2013-03-21 09:26:50 PM  
Did ya see this? Have ya read this, Kevin? Have ya heard about this? Apparently it's an article that says I'm an a-hole.
 
2013-03-21 09:27:45 PM  

ZeroCorpse: People still watch broadcast television?

If it's not on Netflix, Amazon, VUDU, Crackle, or other online sources, then I don't see it. I certainly haven't watched a late night talk show since the 1990s. All they are is advertisement for the guest's current projects, anyway. They're like an hour-long commercial.


Hey, it's that guy.
 
2013-03-21 09:30:18 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: People still watch late night TV talk shows?

OK, OK, I'm actually not that guy. If I watch, it's usually Leno. He's a safe, known quantity, and people stick with what they're comfortable with. Edgy means taking people out of their comfort zone, and few people will subject themselves to that consistently when they're trying to relax and wind down after a long day at work.

I've never understood why a business would put the brakes on a demonstrably successful product. What, they want younger viewers? Why? Young people don't have money and they have little interest in shows that their grandparents would recognize and enjoy. The affluent Boomers have all the money, and they're clearly the dominant late-night demographic. Fallon won't pull them in like Leno will, and NBC will live to regret this decision. Again.


I get the feeling Fallon is being put there to finally put the Tonight Show to pasture.  Times change, and the last thing anybody really wants to see is an hour-long commercial kissing the latest celebrity ass.  To say that Leno was Number 1 for 21 years is a bit of a joke that ignores the massive jump in communications that occurred a few years after Leno got the gig full-time that started the erosion of network TV's dominance that is still being felt today.

The days of staying up late to watch celebrities is fading.  And Comcast probably wants to start cleaning out the institutions of NBC so they can make it theirs.  And truth be told, they do have a valid point:  a lot of those institutions haven't been relevant for years.
 
2013-03-21 09:31:15 PM  

Fano: TheManofPA: He forced this guy out of town:


Which is the ultimate unforgivable sin.

Comedy's Bill Brasky.


Carson once had sex with Fano's mother....it was so impressive, I let him have sex me.

So there I am, three months pregnant and old Carson shoves me down the stairs. He bought me a drink after and bought a round of golf for me and Bob Hope.

TO JOHNNY CARSON!
 
2013-03-21 09:39:20 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I've never understood why a business would put the brakes on a demonstrably successful product. What, they want younger viewers? Why? Young people don't have money and they have little interest in shows that their grandparents would recognize and enjoy. The affluent Boomers have all the money, and they're clearly the dominant late-night demographic. Fallon won't pull them in like Leno will, and NBC will live to regret this decision. Again.


You're going to have to convince Madison Avenue of that before anything changes.  They're still in the "target the young, old people don't count" mindset.  While I agree that this might not be fully appropriate in the current landscape, you have to admit that old people do cut back their buying in a lot of sectors even if they have the cash.  That cash may be going to something else like healthcare, and they may have clued out of doing stuff like updating the house and keeping up with the latest tech.
 
2013-03-21 09:41:50 PM  

someonelse: ZeroCorpse: People still watch broadcast television?

If it's not on Netflix, Amazon, VUDU, Crackle, or other online sources, then I don't see it. I certainly haven't watched a late night talk show since the 1990s. All they are is advertisement for the guest's current projects, anyway. They're like an hour-long commercial.

Hey, it's that guy.


I'll top that.  I don't have TV, Computers, Internet, I live in a deep dark cave without any modern means of communication.  Like the Daleks, I run completely on Static Electricity and Hate.  For fun I crawl on my hands and knees to the top of a mountain, and fling myself off!  I land on ZeroCorpse's mother while yodeling Eine Kleine Nachtmusik through a dead harp seal.  I give her a cookie and go to bed.
 
2013-03-21 09:41:55 PM  
Leno will always be Johnny's guest host.  Just one day Johnny didn't come back.

/Craig Ferguson uber alles.
 
2013-03-21 09:42:40 PM  

SnarfVader: Happy Hours: I don't understand the hate for Leno. Maybe that's because I'm over 30, but he's funnier than anyone else on late night talk shows with the possible exception of Conan O' Brien.

Oh, let me guess - you hate Conan too.

No, I hate him for what he did to Conan, and I'm over 40.


I don't understand this.  NBC is clearly to blame for the entire mess.  They wanted to put Leno out to pasture before he was ready to retire.  They basically said "You don't have to go home but you can't stay here."  So Leno started looking at other options and NBC freaked about the possibility that he'd end up on ABC or Fox opposite Conan.  The whole 10:00 thing was decent idea except that the affiliates freaked at the low-ish (better than what they're getting now) ratings and so NBC had to choose between the two.  I prefer Conan to Leno, but Jay isn't to blame for that mess.  NBC and their indecisiveness are.
 
2013-03-21 10:07:47 PM  
Adolf Oliver Nipples: People still watch late night TV talk shows?

Not me. If it wasn't for the Fark.com threads about Leno every now and then, I would have no idea whether or not he is still around. When they came out with that "Team Coco" crapola a couple of years ago, for a while I thought it was some kind of hot chocolate ad campaign.
 
2013-03-21 10:08:32 PM  
Am I the only one confused by a buzzfeed article that isnt just a series of pictures?
 
2013-03-21 10:14:54 PM  

Martstar: /Craig Ferguson uber alles.

 
2013-03-21 10:20:41 PM  

rugman11: SnarfVader: Happy Hours: I don't understand the hate for Leno. Maybe that's because I'm over 30, but he's funnier than anyone else on late night talk shows with the possible exception of Conan O' Brien.

Oh, let me guess - you hate Conan too.

No, I hate him for what he did to Conan, and I'm over 40.

I don't understand this.  NBC is clearly to blame for the entire mess.  They wanted to put Leno out to pasture before he was ready to retire.  They basically said "You don't have to go home but you can't stay here."  So Leno started looking at other options and NBC freaked about the possibility that he'd end up on ABC or Fox opposite Conan.  The whole 10:00 thing was decent idea except that the affiliates freaked at the low-ish (better than what they're getting now) ratings and so NBC had to choose between the two.  I prefer Conan to Leno, but Jay isn't to blame for that mess.  NBC and their indecisiveness are.


This. While I still dislike Leno, I don't blame him as much as I do NBC
 
2013-03-21 10:31:08 PM  
Hey subtard, I'm part of the world, and I don't hate Leno.

GFY
 
2013-03-21 10:34:34 PM  

Happy Hours: I don't understand the hate for Leno.


He's not funny?
 
2013-03-21 10:43:25 PM  
I can tell you why I hate Jay Leno - because I look like him. Not just 'kinda like him if you squint', but close enough that people have been telling me that I look like him on a regular basis for the past 20 years.

In college, I worked selling tickets at a tourist attraction near Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco, and I'd get people stopping to tell me how much I looked like Jay Leno at least once a week.
 
2013-03-21 10:43:29 PM  
You want to know why Leno is hated and deserves to be hated?

It's really simple and it has nothing to do with Letterman or O'brien or anything else.

It has to do with the fact that he helped push Carson out of his show.

Carson didn't want to go, but he was a gentleman to the end and didn't jump to another network, he didn't talk crap about Leno after the fact, he simply smiled and slipped into retirement.

Though, he did reportedly regularly send Letterman jokes for him to use in his monologue.

Leno is a dick and a coward and he'll be remembered as a backstabber to the end of his days.
 
2013-03-21 10:47:30 PM  
I liked Conan's show before it had to be polished up for the earlier timeslot.

I'm guessing the same thing will happen to Jimmy Fallon.
 
2013-03-21 10:48:39 PM  
I like Jay Leno.

He reminds me of my urologist, but with more cars.
 
2013-03-21 10:53:41 PM  

Infernalist: You want to know why Leno is hated and deserves to be hated?

It's really simple and it has nothing to do with Letterman or O'brien or anything else.

It has to do with the fact that he helped push Carson out of his show.

Carson didn't want to go, but he was a gentleman to the end and didn't jump to another network, he didn't talk crap about Leno after the fact, he simply smiled and slipped into retirement.

Though, he did reportedly regularly send Letterman jokes for him to use in his monologue.

Leno is a dick and a coward and he'll be remembered as a backstabber to the end of his days.


Carson also made at least one surprise appearance that I remember on Letterman.
 
2013-03-21 10:59:16 PM  
You know, it is so fashionable to take a shot at Jay Leno. Look, the fact is the man is out there every bloody night with fresh material and he's charming.
 
2013-03-21 11:05:08 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: People still watch late night TV talk shows?


I'm not giving up until I catch a glimpse of Emma Watson's panties!
 
2013-03-21 11:07:48 PM  

Infernalist: You want to know why Leno is hated and deserves to be hated?

It's really simple and it has nothing to do with Letterman or O'brien or anything else.

It has to do with the fact that he helped push Carson out of his show.

Carson didn't want to go, but he was a gentleman to the end and didn't jump to another network, he didn't talk crap about Leno after the fact, he simply smiled and slipped into retirement.

Though, he did reportedly regularly send Letterman jokes for him to use in his monologue.

Leno is a dick and a coward and he'll be remembered as a backstabber to the end of his days.


I liked Johnny Carson, but you know what? I NEVER got so involved in his personal life or his contract squabbles enough to hate Leno.

Maybe what you say is true. Carson is gone, dead, done. Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

I actually like Leno. He seems like a very nice guy and sometimes he makes me laugh. Of course I don't actually know him. Maybe he is an asshole who will stab people in the back just to get ahead.

And an interesting thing I just learned from Wikipedia. Johnny Carson only got his gig after "Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason, Groucho Marx, and Joey Bishop all declined".

I'm not sure who Joey Bishop is - maybe I'm just ignorant - but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.
 
2013-03-21 11:10:06 PM  

Porndip Poonpat: He reminds me of my urologist, but with more cars.


only people who can say things like "my urologist" like Leno
 
2013-03-21 11:15:51 PM  

BigJake: Porndip Poonpat: He reminds me of my urologist, but with more cars.

only people who can say things like "my urologist" like Leno


cdn.ientry.com
 
2013-03-21 11:15:59 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Happy Hours: I don't understand the hate for Leno. Maybe that's because I'm over 30, but he's funnier than anyone else on late night talk shows with the possible exception of Conan O' Brien.


Now, if I turn on my TV and Leno's doing the 'headlines' bit I'll watch, otherwise I'm not particularly entertained.


To the former: I am, as well, over 30 and have decided a long time ago, that Leno wasn't as funny once real competition came about.  Never cared for Letterman, but I liked Kimmel in his old stuff and I am lately enjoying his talk show.  No hate for Conan, he is just a little too silly for my taste.

To the later: This, but I don't watch NBC after 11 pm anymore.  Our local ABC news station is much better, which has played into why I started watching Kimmel.

/Miss the Carson days
 
2013-03-21 11:21:21 PM  

The Martian Manhandler: I can tell you why I hate Jay Leno - because I look like him. Not just 'kinda like him if you squint', but close enough that people have been telling me that I look like him on a regular basis for the past 20 years.

In college, I worked selling tickets at a tourist attraction near Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco, and I'd get people stopping to tell me how much I looked like Jay Leno at least once a week.


Now I hate you. :)

//Aaand favorited as Jay Leno lookalike.
 
2013-03-21 11:22:12 PM  

Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.


Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .
 
2013-03-21 11:27:05 PM  
I saw some of Leno's monologue once when I flipping channels many years ago. I was surprised by how sexual his jokes were, a la " Did you hear this? (Insert good-looking actress name) went camping last weekend... I wouldn't mind camping with her, if you know what I mean".

Cue audience laughter.

It was strange.
 
2013-03-21 11:27:51 PM  

Happy Hours: And an interesting thing I just learned from Wikipedia. Johnny Carson only got his gig after "Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason, Groucho Marx, and Joey Bishop all declined".

I'm not sure who Joey Bishop is - maybe I'm just ignorant - but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.


I disagree about Newhart, he is very funny but I don't see him really pulling off a 'host' position.  Jackie wouldn't even need a sidekick, but I am not sure if hosting would be his thing.  However, Groucho would've been amazing.  I think it would've been tough on the guest to somehow be more entertaining than him.  Carson introduced a lot of comedy talent to the masses, but Leno really doesn't like having anyone getting a chance to out perform him.  Even though Carson is the only reason we've heard of Leno.
 
2013-03-21 11:28:05 PM  

The Martian Manhandler: I can tell you why I hate Jay Leno - because I look like him. Not just 'kinda like him if you squint', but close enough that people have been telling me that I look like him on a regular basis for the past 20 years.

In college, I worked selling tickets at a tourist attraction near Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco, and I'd get people stopping to tell me how much I looked like Jay Leno at least once a week.


There are agents who specialize in people like you.
 
2013-03-21 11:32:57 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: Hey subtard, I'm part of the world, and I don't hate Leno.

GFY

 
2013-03-21 11:48:32 PM  
'Cause he's a douche.
 
2013-03-22 12:01:20 AM  

jaytkay: The Martian Manhandler: I can tell you why I hate Jay Leno - because I look like him. Not just 'kinda like him if you squint', but close enough that people have been telling me that I look like him on a regular basis for the past 20 years.

In college, I worked selling tickets at a tourist attraction near Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco, and I'd get people stopping to tell me how much I looked like Jay Leno at least once a week.

There are agents who specialize in people like you.


Unfortunately, I'm about 25 years younger than he is. Even worse, I was trying to be a real actor at the time, not just a look-alike.
 
2013-03-22 12:02:29 AM  

DeltaPunch: I saw some of Leno's monologue once when I flipping channels many years ago. I was surprised by how sexual his jokes were, a la " Did you hear this? (Insert good-looking actress name) went camping last weekend... I wouldn't mind camping with her, if you know what I mean".

Cue audience laughter.

It was strange.


So he's your average witty fark user? And I don't mean the actual guy in this thread, I mean your average witty fark users.
 
2013-03-22 12:05:56 AM  

fusillade762: Martstar: /Craig Ferguson uber alles.

 
2013-03-22 12:07:22 AM  

RobertBruce: He's not good - it's just that he's being replaced by worse.


True but there's more.
You and everyone else are missing the point: In the bio of Carson on American Masters Leno flatly states that the goal of a successful LATE NIGHT talk show is to give people the opportunity to wind down and forget their troubles at the end of the day. And that is exactly what Leno does and he does it well.  I don't watch him because he seems to pander to his guests but give him his props: he does what he thinks is right and it words because he consistently kicks every other host in the ratings.

What gets me about the article is:
1) Leno was NEVER caustic and I say this as someone who saw him three times in the years preceding him making it big - once in front of a crowd of only 20 people.

2) Letterman's schick of being the 'grumpy old man' of talk show hosts is tired and boring. His attitude is piss poor  and he seems to hate even having to show up for work.

3) Conan sucks  and his movie from last year shows him to be a Grade 'A' jerk

4) WHY doesn't anyone - and this article is a great example - ever mention FERGUSON?!?!?
 
2013-03-22 12:09:22 AM  
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I think Fallon is the closest thing to Johnny Carson there is on television right now, and they really need a Johnny Carson. Fallon is the only host I see that allows guests their time in the spotlight, without all the posing and preening and quipping that the other hosts to do massage their own egos. Fallon has many of the traits that made Carson such a good host. Carson (at least on set) was the nicest most patient guy in the business, and Fallon has that same on-air personality.
 
2013-03-22 12:10:58 AM  
Next: 6 reasons everyone hates Buzzfeed!
 
2013-03-22 12:12:24 AM  

Kyosuke: I know it's not a popular opinion, but I think Fallon is the closest thing to Johnny Carson there is on television right now, and they really need a Johnny Carson. Fallon is the only host I see that allows guests their time in the spotlight, without all the posing and preening and quipping that the other hosts to do massage their own egos. Fallon has many of the traits that made Carson such a good host. Carson (at least on set) was the nicest most patient guy in the business, and Fallon has that same on-air personality.


Yeah and the trouble with Fallon is acts like a 12 year hearing fart jokes for the first time.

Farking allah I wish he would act like an adult. 'Slow jam the news' seriously? This passes for comedy on his show.

And the band looks like they hate him.
 
2013-03-22 12:13:20 AM  
CSB -

I was on 'Jaywalking' once.  The summer after I graduated HS I went with a friend to visit his uncle in LA, and while walking around Universal (I think) a camera crew jumped us and suddenly Jay Leno is in front of me asking me how many stars are on the US flag, so I of course answered '52'.  He asked if I knew what they represented and I of course told him 'one for every state', he then did a smart-assy 'Oh wow, what were the last two added?' and I looked at him like he was an idiot and said 'Alaska and Hawaii of course'.  It wasn't till after I signed the waiver that my buddy informed him I told him there were 52 stars for 52 states, at which point it was all too late.  My excuse is I panicked and was thinking cards in a deck.

/CSB
 
2013-03-22 12:13:55 AM  
Is there a way to tell if a link is sponsored or not?
 
2013-03-22 12:14:14 AM  
And all of Fark hates BuzzFeed.  What's your point?
 
2013-03-22 12:17:32 AM  

lack of warmth: Happy Hours: And an interesting thing I just learned from Wikipedia. Johnny Carson only got his gig after "Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason, Groucho Marx, and Joey Bishop all declined".

I'm not sure who Joey Bishop is - maybe I'm just ignorant - but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.

I disagree about Newhart, he is very funny but I don't see him really pulling off a 'host' position.  Jackie wouldn't even need a sidekick, but I am not sure if hosting would be his thing.  However, Groucho would've been amazing.  I think it would've been tough on the guest to somehow be more entertaining than him.  Carson introduced a lot of comedy talent to the masses, but Leno really doesn't like having anyone getting a chance to out perform him.  Even though Carson is the only reason we've heard of Leno.


I think Newhart would have worked well as a host. His humor is a bit more subdued or something. I'm not even sure that's the right word to use. I am glad he didn't take the job though because if he had we probably would never have been rewarded with either the Bob Newhart Show or Newhart.

And I find it odd what I'm going to say next because I'm usually the first person whining about overpaid people who make millions for doing next to nothing, but let's face it - any TV host (daytime or late night) has to go out there night after night and try to be entertaining. Many people will hate them no matter what they do.

They're bound to have some bad days. They can't please everyone all the time.

and yes, I hate most of the late night talk show hosts....I generally just avoid watching them unless they happen to have a guest that I am interested in.

That goes for Leno too. Even though I like him, I usually won't watch unless he has a guest that I'm interested in.
 
2013-03-22 12:18:15 AM  

Happy Hours: Maybe he is an asshole who will stab people in the back just to get ahead.


Welcome to show business.
 
2013-03-22 12:24:15 AM  
I think Jay's moderately funny and I'm not afraid to say it.
 
2013-03-22 12:31:06 AM  

TheJoe03: Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .


His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.
 
2013-03-22 12:37:48 AM  

douchebag/hater: 1) Leno was NEVER caustic and I say this as someone who saw him three times in the years preceding him making it big - once in front of a crowd of only 20 people.


You gotta respect someone who gets on stage for an audience that small. One of my favorite musicians started off that way and I saw him play at small venues like that. Now? Well, he sells thousands of tickets for each show.

2) Letterman's schick of being the 'grumpy old man' of talk show hosts is tired and boring. His attitude is piss poor  and he seems to hate even having to show up for work.


Seems like a fair assessment - I used to like that guy 25 years ago, but I don't think much of him now.

3) Conan sucks  and his movie from last year shows him to be a Grade 'A' jerk


I still like Conan - he can be a bit silly at times, but since I don't have cable anymore, I don't ever see his show - assuming he still has a show, I'm not even sure and I'm not about to start spending over $100 a month just to watch him

4) WHY doesn't anyone - and this article is a great example - ever mention FERGUSON?!?!?


Because he's the absolute worst late night talk show host in the history of the world. That farking bastard was actually on The Tonight Show last week. I almost smashed my TV I was so pissed off. Actually, that's not true. I decided to give him a chance and so I watched his interview and yes, I still think he is completely lacking a sense of humor and he is completely devoid of any entertainment value.

So there's that.
 
2013-03-22 12:38:14 AM  
I'll watch a re-run of Letterman I've already seen before I'll watch Leno. Which makes me glad Kimmel moved to 11:35 so I have another option.
 
2013-03-22 12:40:55 AM  

andychrist420: TheJoe03: Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .

His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.


Yeah, and some people like bloodsausage. People are idiots.

Leno is a dick and he'll always be remembered as Carson's spare.
 
2013-03-22 12:45:50 AM  

lack of warmth: Happy Hours: And an interesting thing I just learned from Wikipedia. Johnny Carson only got his gig after "Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason, Groucho Marx, and Joey Bishop all declined".

I'm not sure who Joey Bishop is - maybe I'm just ignorant - but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.

I disagree about Newhart, he is very funny but I don't see him really pulling off a 'host' position.  Jackie wouldn't even need a sidekick, but I am not sure if hosting would be his thing.  However, Groucho would've been amazing.  I think it would've been tough on the guest to somehow be more entertaining than him.  Carson introduced a lot of comedy talent to the masses, but Leno really doesn't like having anyone getting a chance to out perform him.  Even though Carson is the only reason we've heard of Leno.


That's not accurate. Letterman is the only reason we've heard of Leno. He was a regular guest for years when he was still a great stand-up. Gleason and Groucho would've been good hosts, but wouldn't have had Johnny's longevity. They also both would have dominated the show. Newhart, on the other hand, would've been too dry, I think.
 
2013-03-22 12:54:28 AM  

Tsar_Bomba1: Is there a way to tell if a link is sponsored or not?


The Greasemonkey script I wrote seems to be doing a fine job of figuring out which links are sponsored and removing them for me.
 
2013-03-22 12:59:18 AM  

Happy Hours: ...but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.


Which is probably one of the reasons Carson was such a good HOST.

A host isn't supposed to be the life of the party. A host is supposed to allow his guests to be.
 
2013-03-22 12:59:36 AM  

ThatBillmanGuy: rugman11: SnarfVader: Happy Hours: I don't understand the hate for Leno. Maybe that's because I'm over 30, but he's funnier than anyone else on late night talk shows with the possible exception of Conan O' Brien.

Oh, let me guess - you hate Conan too.

No, I hate him for what he did to Conan, and I'm over 40.

I don't understand this.  NBC is clearly to blame for the entire mess.  They wanted to put Leno out to pasture before he was ready to retire.  They basically said "You don't have to go home but you can't stay here."  So Leno started looking at other options and NBC freaked about the possibility that he'd end up on ABC or Fox opposite Conan.  The whole 10:00 thing was decent idea except that the affiliates freaked at the low-ish (better than what they're getting now) ratings and so NBC had to choose between the two.  I prefer Conan to Leno, but Jay isn't to blame for that mess.  NBC and their indecisiveness are.

This. While I still dislike Leno, I don't blame him as much as I do NBC


What don't you understand? Leno is absolutely to blame for that mess. If Leno hadn't wanted to come back to hosting the Tonight Show, NBC wouldn't have kicked Conan out.  Leno's 10 pm slot was a disaster for local news and, in turn, a disaster as a lead in to Conan. While NBC is at fault for giving Leno a contract that included a huge buyout to Leno, Leno is at fault for not going gracefully into retirement.
 
2013-03-22 01:07:53 AM  

Infernalist: andychrist420: TheJoe03: Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .

His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.

Yeah, and some people like bloodsausage. People are idiots.

Leno is a dick and he'll always be remembered as Carson's spare.


Most people don't see him that way.  Fark is not indicative of the general public.  And anyone born after 1990 have never heard of Carson.  So no, he won't.
 
2013-03-22 01:11:20 AM  

Kyosuke: Happy Hours: ...but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.

Which is probably one of the reasons Carson was such a good HOST.

A host isn't supposed to be the life of the party. A host is supposed to allow his guests to be.


That's a fair point and one I hadn't considered
 
2013-03-22 01:19:18 AM  

andychrist420: His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.


Jeff Dunham sells out shows too. Those people aren't comedy fans
 
2013-03-22 01:27:51 AM  

andychrist420: TheJoe03: Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .

His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.


You really think being able to sell out clubs means most comedy fans like and respect him? Even Andrew Dice Clay or Sinbad can sell out venues on name recognition alone. Finally, when Dane Cook and Carlos Mencia were huge most comedy fans still hated them, just like Leno.
 
2013-03-22 01:30:18 AM  
I adore Jay Leno.
 
2013-03-22 01:30:37 AM  

SnarfVader: ThatBillmanGuy: rugman11: SnarfVader: Happy Hours: I don't understand the hate for Leno. Maybe that's because I'm over 30, but he's funnier than anyone else on late night talk shows with the possible exception of Conan O' Brien.

Oh, let me guess - you hate Conan too.

No, I hate him for what he did to Conan, and I'm over 40.

I don't understand this.  NBC is clearly to blame for the entire mess.  They wanted to put Leno out to pasture before he was ready to retire.  They basically said "You don't have to go home but you can't stay here."  So Leno started looking at other options and NBC freaked about the possibility that he'd end up on ABC or Fox opposite Conan.  The whole 10:00 thing was decent idea except that the affiliates freaked at the low-ish (better than what they're getting now) ratings and so NBC had to choose between the two.  I prefer Conan to Leno, but Jay isn't to blame for that mess.  NBC and their indecisiveness are.

This. While I still dislike Leno, I don't blame him as much as I do NBC

What don't you understand? Leno is absolutely to blame for that mess. If Leno hadn't wanted to come back to hosting the Tonight Show, NBC wouldn't have kicked Conan out.  Leno's 10 pm slot was a disaster for local news and, in turn, a disaster as a lead in to Conan. While NBC is at fault for giving Leno a contract that included a huge buyout to Leno, Leno is at fault for not going gracefully into retirement.


Still NBC's fault.  They were afraid he'd go to another network and compete against them.  If they had confidence in Conan, they would have told him to fark off.
 
2013-03-22 01:35:25 AM  

Uisce Beatha: fusillade762: Martstar: /Craig Ferguson uber alles.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K46P7loICXY

// Class act.
 
2013-03-22 01:36:20 AM  

Lorelle: I adore Jay Leno.


BigJake: only people who can say things like "my urologist" like Leno

 
2013-03-22 01:39:56 AM  

BigJake: andychrist420: His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.

Jeff Dunham sells out shows too. Those people aren't comedy fans



So you are the arbiter of comedy?  Hate to break it to you skippy, but comedy is subjective.


TheJoe03: andychrist420: TheJoe03: Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .

His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.

You really think being able to sell out clubs means most comedy fans like and respect him? Even Andrew Dice Clay or Sinbad can sell out venues on name recognition alone. Finally, when Dane Cook and Carlos Mencia were huge most comedy fans still hated them, just like Leno.


Have you seen Dice lately?  He couldn't sell out a bus stop.  Secondly, read what I wrote above.

/comedy snobs
//personally hate everyone mentioned, except Dice, but recognize the accomplishments
///stop liking what I don't like dot jpeg
 
2013-03-22 01:41:39 AM  

BigJake: Lorelle: I adore Jay Leno.

BigJake: only people who can say things like "my urologist" like Leno


Jokes are never as funny the second time you tell them.
 
2013-03-22 01:44:08 AM  
I hate Leno because I find him unfunny. Period. Not. Funny.

Hacky jokes, stolen bits, stolen "talent" (Stuttering John), and the only actual funny bits are crowd-sourced (Headlines) and all he does is smirk. (Although to be fair I'm not sure anyone crowd-sourced bits before him. So kudos for bringing lazy comedy into the mainstream)

Factor in the fact that he's a world-class prick who forced Carson into retirement, stole the gig from Letterman (WHILE EAVESDROPPING IN A G-D CLOSET), ruined NBC's prime-time schedule and ratings, and then farked Conan six ways from Sunday - what is there left to LIKE about this no talent hack?

"Oh, my Nana loves him!" - your Nana also liked Petticoat Junction and I Dream of Jeannie - that doesn't mean they weren't crap. There was just less competition. There's a reason so many talk shows exist now - more channels and the odd executive willing to gamble on actual talent and originality.

And on top of EVERYTHING else, Kimmel DESTROYED Leno on Leno's own show. Even Leno's AUDIENCE turned on him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joXYj2IoKXs
 
2013-03-22 01:47:00 AM  

andychrist420: Jokes are never as funny the second time you tell them.


says the guy defending a dude who still makes Lewinsky jokes lmao
 
2013-03-22 01:53:41 AM  
You realize Conan is online for free?  http://teamcoco.com

I usually watch at least a couple a week thru the website.

Happy Hours: douchebag/hater: 1) Leno was NEVER caustic and I say this as someone who saw him three times in the years preceding him making it big - once in front of a crowd of only 20 people.

You gotta respect someone who gets on stage for an audience that small. One of my favorite musicians started off that way and I saw him play at small venues like that. Now? Well, he sells thousands of tickets for each show.

2) Letterman's schick of being the 'grumpy old man' of talk show hosts is tired and boring. His attitude is piss poor  and he seems to hate even having to show up for work.

Seems like a fair assessment - I used to like that guy 25 years ago, but I don't think much of him now.

3) Conan sucks  and his movie from last year shows him to be a Grade 'A' jerk


I still like Conan - he can be a bit silly at times, but since I don't have cable anymore, I don't ever see his show - assuming he still has a show, I'm not even sure and I'm not about to start spending over $100 a month just to watch him

4) WHY doesn't anyone - and this article is a great example - ever mention FERGUSON?!?!?

Because he's the absolute worst late night talk show host in the history of the world. That farking bastard was actually on The Tonight Show last week. I almost smashed my TV I was so pissed off. Actually, that's not true. I decided to give him a chance and so I watched his interview and yes, I still think he is completely lacking a sense of humor and he is completely devoid of any entertainment value.

So there's that.

 
2013-03-22 01:59:37 AM  

TheJoe03: andychrist420: TheJoe03: Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .

His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.

You really think being able to sell out clubs means most comedy fans like and respect him? Even Andrew Dice Clay or Sinbad can sell out venues on name recognition alone. Finally, when Dane Cook and Carlos Mencia were huge most comedy fans still hated them, just like Leno.



Finally my turn. CSB time boys and girls. So once I was pumping gas on Topanga Canyon on my way home from work and I look over and there's Sinbad at the pump next to me putting gas in his suv. He looked at me, I looked at him. I said Hi. He said Hi. We finished pumping gas about the same time. He exited on the side street, and I got back on Topanga Canyon and drove home. Fistbump.
[pause]
Anyone?
 
2013-03-22 01:59:43 AM  

BigJake: andychrist420: Jokes are never as funny the second time you tell them.

says the guy defending a dude who still makes Lewinsky jokes lmao


I'm not defending his material.  By the way, when was the last time he made a Lewinsky joke?  You seem to be well versed in the show.  Nightly viewer?
 
2013-03-22 02:08:22 AM  

Do the needful: I was pumping gas on Topanga Canyon on my way home from work and I look over and there's Sinbad at the pump next to me putting gas in his suv. He looked at me, I looked at him. I said Hi. He said Hi. We finished pumping gas about the same time. He exited on the side street, and I got back on Topanga Canyon and drove home.


Is he the dead one?
 
2013-03-22 02:16:22 AM  

Cewley: leno should have stuck to just being a comic. he's a whole lot less funny when his teabagger tendencies slip out.


Aye. I remember when him and Dave were friends and everytime Jay was on- it was a good show.
Now, i really dont watch either of them. Team Craigy and Team Coco.
 
2013-03-22 02:18:21 AM  

andychrist420: By the way, when was the last time he made a Lewinsky joke? You seem to be well versed in the show. Nightly viewer?


Fairly recently. I listen to an actually funny production that makes fun of him from time to time
 
2013-03-22 02:54:06 AM  

BigJake: andychrist420: By the way, when was the last time he made a Lewinsky joke? You seem to be well versed in the show. Nightly viewer?

Fairly recently. I listen to an actually funny production that makes fun of him from time to time


What was the joke?  Was it topical?  Just because the subject is old, doesn't mean that a joke can't be funny.  I'm guessing it more of a reference than a joke.  I'm not defending him, I don't even watch late night talk shows, but you gotta know your audience.  The "old urologist patients" who watch Leno probably loved it.
 
2013-03-22 03:04:35 AM  
Remember where you heard this crazy thought first:

He'll go to CBS and replace Dave.

Dave wins: He wants his show to be a legacy show like The Tonight Show.  Jay is one of the few hosts that gives the show enough credibility.  Replace Dave with anyone else and it'll probably be gone in a few years.

Jay wins:  He obviously doesn't want to go yet and going to CBS would be the ultimate finger to NBC.  And it's pretty obvious that he's not the company man he used to be.

CBS wins: Leno brings in the ratings and he'll not only bring in the over 30 audience, he'll stop splitting that audience with Dave.

Affiliates win: With the #1 primetime lineup and the ratings champ in late night, the audience will hold over through the evening news which means higher ratings for the evening news where the affiliates really rake in advertising money (which they don't have to share with the network).  The advertisers hold a lot of sway, but it's second to the joint power of the affiliates.  Remember, it was the affiliates that really took down the "Jay Leno Show."
 
2013-03-22 03:18:51 AM  

andychrist420: So you are the arbiter of comedy?  Hate to break it to you skippy, but comedy is subjective.


I ain't saying comedy is objective or that it is an absolute fact that Leno sucks, I said that most comedy fans don't like or respect him, unless you think the couple million people that watch him and go to his shows represent a majority of comedy/stand up fans.

andychrist420: /comedy snobs


Perhaps with stand-up, but as a guy who finds Will Ferrell movies funny, I don't think pretentious comedy fans would accept me.

andychrist420: ///stop liking what I don't like dot jpeg


I don't care if you like it, just saying my opinion. It's not like I've called anyone stupid or made fun of them for liking him, I just really think he sucks and I resent how he acted towards Conan (though NBC still gets most of my hate for that situation). Honestly, if NBC let Conan do the Tonight Show like he did Late Night then he would have done better. Why does NBC need to tone down a show that is shown at 11:30? How can they do that and then wonder why people under 40 aren't watching? Yeah, I digressed a bit, NBC sucks more than Leno.
 
2013-03-22 03:38:35 AM  

Do the needful: Finally my turn. CSB time boys and girls. So once I was pumping gas on Topanga Canyon on my way home from work and I look over and there's Sinbad at the pump next to me putting gas in his suv. He looked at me, I looked at him. I said Hi. He said Hi. We finished pumping gas about the same time. He exited on the side street, and I got back on Topanga Canyon and drove home. Fistbump.
[pause]
Anyone?


You got off easy, I heard Sinbad is one crazy sumbiatch.

mimg.ugo.com
 
2013-03-22 03:59:16 AM  

jaytkay: Leno tells the best Monica Lewinsky jokes.


That was more than a decade ago. Kee-rist, it got old in about a week and he's still doing them?

"Hee-hee-hee, remember that Clinton guy and the cigar?  Boy, that was funny!"  Grade-school kids have better material.

Someone tried to tell me Jimmy Fallon wasn't as funny as Leno.  My response was that the worst anyone could come out in that comparison was that they were as unfunny as Leno, as no one is less funny.  Leno is the absolute zero of comedy.
 
2013-03-22 04:06:03 AM  

andychrist420: TheJoe03: Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .

His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.


And chef boy-ar-dee is the best selling pasta. Clearly that denotes superior quality.
 
2013-03-22 04:12:03 AM  

gunther_bumpass: andychrist420: TheJoe03: Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .

His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.

And chef boy-ar-dee is the best selling pasta. Clearly that denotes superior quality.


Quality is rarely a prerequisite for ratings success.
 
2013-03-22 04:16:23 AM  
And tonight, we have Joey Lawerence AND Patrick Duffy..........
 
2013-03-22 04:31:38 AM  

JammyJamms: And tonight, we have Joey Lawerence AND Patrick Duffy..........


WHOA!
 
2013-03-22 04:37:11 AM  

andychrist420: gunther_bumpass: andychrist420: TheJoe03: Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .

His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.

And chef boy-ar-dee is the best selling pasta. Clearly that denotes superior quality.

Quality is rarely a prerequisite for ratings success.




so, do you have a point to your ravings or what? You don't watch Leno, but he's clearly doing something great because he's the best, but he's only the best because the people watching him don't necessarily want the best, but there is a majority of those people out there tuning in, therefore, amongst people who aren't necessarily looking for the best entertainment (which are the majority of people) he is the best thing out there because so many undiscriminating people think so.
 
2013-03-22 04:44:42 AM  

gunther_bumpass: andychrist420: gunther_bumpass: andychrist420: TheJoe03: Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .

His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.

And chef boy-ar-dee is the best selling pasta. Clearly that denotes superior quality.

Quality is rarely a prerequisite for ratings success.

so, do you have a point to your ravings or what? You don't watch Leno, but he's clearly doing something great because he's the best, but he's only the best because the people watching him don't necessarily want the best, but there is a majority of those people out there tuning in, therefore, amongst people who aren't necessarily looking for the best entertainment (which are the majority of people) he is the best thing out there because so many undiscriminating people think so.


Are you having a stroke?
 
2013-03-22 05:23:21 AM  

andychrist420: gunther_bumpass: andychrist420: gunther_bumpass: andychrist420: TheJoe03: Happy Hours: Get over it. If you don't think Leno is funny or if you think he's an asshole, don't watch his show.

Seems like you are the one that needs to "get over it". Accept that most comedy fans dislike Leno, no one's telling you to not watch the show anyway.  .

His sold out comedy shows around the country would beg to differ.

And chef boy-ar-dee is the best selling pasta. Clearly that denotes superior quality.

Quality is rarely a prerequisite for ratings success.

so, do you have a point to your ravings or what? You don't watch Leno, but he's clearly doing something great because he's the best, but he's only the best because the people watching him don't necessarily want the best, but there is a majority of those people out there tuning in, therefore, amongst people who aren't necessarily looking for the best entertainment (which are the majority of people) he is the best thing out there because so many undiscriminating people think so.

Are you having a stroke?


Who turned down the lights?

And why does everything taste like pennies?
 
2013-03-22 05:53:08 AM  
"So Joey...  You got a girlfriend?"
 
2013-03-22 07:05:02 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: I get the feeling Fallon is being put there to finally put the Tonight Show to pasture.  Times change, and the last thing anybody really wants to see is an hour-long commercial kissing the latest celebrity ass.  To say that Leno was Number 1 for 21 years is a bit of a joke that ignores the massive jump in communications that occurred a few years after Leno got the gig full-time that started the erosion of network TV's dominance that is still being felt today.


And there you have it.  The average household received 41 channels in 1995.  It's over 120 now.  Not to mention the Internet, streaming media, and so forth.
 
2013-03-22 07:26:10 AM  

Vodka Zombie: "So Joey...  You got a girlfriend?"


I was about to say it's not too late to go out with a bang.

/"...forming an NBC peacock on the wall behind him, 'cause he's a company man to the bitter farking end."
 
2013-03-22 07:44:14 AM  

Vodka Zombie: "So Joey...  You got a girlfriend?"


The only Bill Hicks skit I've ever laughed at.
 
2013-03-22 07:58:11 AM  

Happy Hours: I'm not sure who Joey Bishop is


In the Rat Pack, he was the white Jew.
 
2013-03-22 08:20:16 AM  
Every Jay Leno monologue since 1990:

"Some woman couldn't fit in her plane seat. Boy, how fat are we as a country... Did you hear [latest celebrity] got in a car crash? Heeeeeey! Have I done my Arnold Schwarzenegger impression yet? DEES-EES-MAI-AHHHNOLD-SCHWAAAARTZENEEEEGAH-IMPREEESHUN."
 
2013-03-22 08:33:49 AM  
 
2013-03-22 08:48:48 AM  

Happy Hours: Kyosuke: Happy Hours: ...but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.

Which is probably one of the reasons Carson was such a good HOST.

A host isn't supposed to be the life of the party. A host is supposed to allow his guests to be.

That's a fair point and one I hadn't considered


The other thing about Carson that aside from his Jack Benny-esque sense of comic timing which he used
to become a very effective interviewer, he was also a promoter of up-and-coming talent.

Compare how many big comics of the 70s and 80s got their start with a TONIGHT SHOW appearance vs
how many got their big breaks under Leno.
 
2013-03-22 09:10:07 AM  
None of these talk show guys would ever have had a job if the whole genre wasn't created by:

www.erniekovacs.net
 
2013-03-22 09:13:04 AM  

TheManofPA: Fano: TheManofPA: He forced this guy out of town:


Which is the ultimate unforgivable sin.

Comedy's Bill Brasky.

Carson once had sex with Fano's mother....it was so impressive, I let him have sex me.

So there I am, three months pregnant and old Carson shoves me down the stairs. He bought me a drink after and bought a round of golf for me and Bob Hope.

TO JOHNNY CARSON!


Lol
 
2013-03-22 09:22:38 AM  
I'm not a fan of Leno's, but I am skeptical of this move too. Lorne Michaels is 70+ years old - how long will it be until Fallon's puppet master decides to call it a day?
 
2013-03-22 10:09:38 AM  
No one outside of the US cares about Jay Leno. That makes more than six billion people who don't hate him.
(Don't really get the love for Conan either, I have to admit. As with Leno, the jokes are either really obvious or not really jokes at all.)
 
2013-03-22 10:16:22 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Happy Hours: Kyosuke: Happy Hours: ...but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.

Which is probably one of the reasons Carson was such a good HOST.

A host isn't supposed to be the life of the party. A host is supposed to allow his guests to be.

That's a fair point and one I hadn't considered

The other thing about Carson that aside from his Jack Benny-esque sense of comic timing which he used
to become a very effective interviewer, he was also a promoter of up-and-coming talent.

Compare how many big comics of the 70s and 80s got their start with a TONIGHT SHOW appearance vs
how many got their big breaks under Leno.


Trudat.  And you really had to earn your plug time with Johhny.  If Johnny liked you, he invited you to do stand up on his show.  If that went well, you were invited back again.  If THAT went well, you'd get a third invite but this time you'd get a segment on the couch after your routine where Johnny played the straight man and you were expected to be "on" for the entire segment.  Now only if all of that went OK, then your next time on the couch you could talk about upcoming projects and whatnot.
 
2013-03-22 10:47:38 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Adolf Oliver Nipples: People still watch late night TV talk shows?

OK, OK, I'm actually not that guy. If I watch, it's usually Leno. He's a safe, known quantity, and people stick with what they're comfortable with. Edgy means taking people out of their comfort zone, and few people will subject themselves to that consistently when they're trying to relax and wind down after a long day at work.

I've never understood why a business would put the brakes on a demonstrably successful product. What, they want younger viewers? Why? Young people don't have money and they have little interest in shows that their grandparents would recognize and enjoy. The affluent Boomers have all the money, and they're clearly the dominant late-night demographic. Fallon won't pull them in like Leno will, and NBC will live to regret this decision. Again.

I get the feeling Fallon is being put there to finally put the Tonight Show to pasture.  Times change, and the last thing anybody really wants to see is an hour-long commercial kissing the latest celebrity ass.  To say that Leno was Number 1 for 21 years is a bit of a joke that ignores the massive jump in communications that occurred a few years after Leno got the gig full-time that started the erosion of network TV's dominance that is still being felt today.

The days of staying up late to watch celebrities is fading.  And Comcast probably wants to start cleaning out the institutions of NBC so they can make it theirs.  And truth be told, they do have a valid point:  a lot of those institutions haven't been relevant for years.


hopefully SNL is next.
 
2013-03-22 10:51:27 AM  
I'm not sure who Joey Bishop is - maybe I'm just ignorant - but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.

http://www.nndb.com/people/568/000025493/

You might catch re-runs of his show on TVLand or Me-TV. The show is unremarkable, but the actress who played his wife is really cute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abby_Dalton
 
2013-03-22 10:55:03 AM  

stir22: Guntram Shatterhand: Adolf Oliver Nipples: People still watch late night TV talk shows?

OK, OK, I'm actually not that guy. If I watch, it's usually Leno. He's a safe, known quantity, and people stick with what they're comfortable with. Edgy means taking people out of their comfort zone, and few people will subject themselves to that consistently when they're trying to relax and wind down after a long day at work.

I've never understood why a business would put the brakes on a demonstrably successful product. What, they want younger viewers? Why? Young people don't have money and they have little interest in shows that their grandparents would recognize and enjoy. The affluent Boomers have all the money, and they're clearly the dominant late-night demographic. Fallon won't pull them in like Leno will, and NBC will live to regret this decision. Again.

I get the feeling Fallon is being put there to finally put the Tonight Show to pasture.  Times change, and the last thing anybody really wants to see is an hour-long commercial kissing the latest celebrity ass.  To say that Leno was Number 1 for 21 years is a bit of a joke that ignores the massive jump in communications that occurred a few years after Leno got the gig full-time that started the erosion of network TV's dominance that is still being felt today.

The days of staying up late to watch celebrities is fading.  And Comcast probably wants to start cleaning out the institutions of NBC so they can make it theirs.  And truth be told, they do have a valid point:  a lot of those institutions haven't been relevant for years.

hopefully SNL is next.


SNL has regularly been the most-watched show on NBC this spring.  It's not going anywhere any time soon.
 
2013-03-22 11:36:39 AM  

dryknife: None of these talk show guys would ever have had a job if the whole genre wasn't created by:


It would have been interesting if EK was in the pool to choose from, eh?

//kovacs fan
 
2013-03-22 02:11:31 PM  

The Martian Manhandler: jaytkay: The Martian Manhandler: I can tell you why I hate Jay Leno - because I look like him. Not just 'kinda like him if you squint', but close enough that people have been telling me that I look like him on a regular basis for the past 20 years.

In college, I worked selling tickets at a tourist attraction near Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco, and I'd get people stopping to tell me how much I looked like Jay Leno at least once a week.

There are agents who specialize in people like you.

Unfortunately, I'm about 25 years younger than he is. Even worse, I was trying to be a real actor at the time, not just a look-alike.


When life hands you lemons and a large chin, make lemonade and try not to get it all over your chin.
 
2013-03-22 03:25:25 PM  

Kyosuke: I know it's not a popular opinion, but I think Fallon is the closest thing to Johnny Carson there is on television right now, and they really need a Johnny Carson. Fallon is the only host I see that allows guests their time in the spotlight, without all the posing and preening and quipping that the other hosts to do massage their own egos. Fallon has many of the traits that made Carson such a good host. Carson (at least on set) was the nicest most patient guy in the business, and Fallon has that same on-air personality.


This in no way reflects my experience watching Fallon's show. I'll grant that he seems like a nice guy and he does some good impressions, but his interviews remind me of that Chris Farley Show skit, "Remember when you were in _____? That was awesome." Awkward and nothing to say.

The one host who sounds like he's having an actual conversation with the guest is Ferguson (as evidenced by his ritual of ripping up the cards whenever a new guest sits down). Half the time they forget to talk about the movie or show they're promoting.
 
2013-03-22 04:25:15 PM  

browntimmy: The one host who sounds like he's having an actual conversation with the guest is Ferguson (as evidenced by his ritual of ripping up the cards whenever a new guest sits down). Half the time they forget to talk about the movie or show they're promoting.


I started recording Ferguson this week because I've watched the show off and on and decided I wanted to watch more of it. Adam Eckhart was on the other night. I considered Eckhart to be kind of boring based on previous interviews, but Ferguson and Eckhart had a great time, especially when they pretended to get angry at each other. Eckhart is standing and yelling at Ferguson. It was fantastic and hilarious stuff.
 
2013-03-22 04:37:36 PM  

rugman11: SNL has regularly been the most-watched show on NBC this spring.  It's not going anywhere any time soon.


Which is a lot like being the cute girl at fat camp.
 
2013-03-22 04:45:41 PM  

roughridersfan: browntimmy: The one host who sounds like he's having an actual conversation with the guest is Ferguson (as evidenced by his ritual of ripping up the cards whenever a new guest sits down). Half the time they forget to talk about the movie or show they're promoting.

I started recording Ferguson this week because I've watched the show off and on and decided I wanted to watch more of it. Adam Eckhart was on the other night. I considered Eckhart to be kind of boring based on previous interviews, but Ferguson and Eckhart had a great time, especially when they pretended to get angry at each other. Eckhart is standing and yelling at Ferguson. It was fantastic and hilarious stuff.


I guess I'll have to try Ferguson again. Problem is I can rarely get past his monologue.
 
2013-03-22 04:59:20 PM  

No Line For Beer: Remember where you heard this crazy thought first:

He'll go to CBS and replace Dave.

Dave wins: He wants his show to be a legacy show like The Tonight Show.  Jay is one of the few hosts that gives the show enough credibility.  Replace Dave with anyone else and it'll probably be gone in a few years.

Jay wins:  He obviously doesn't want to go yet and going to CBS would be the ultimate finger to NBC.  And it's pretty obvious that he's not the company man he used to be.

CBS wins: Leno brings in the ratings and he'll not only bring in the over 30 audience, he'll stop splitting that audience with Dave.

Affiliates win: With the #1 primetime lineup and the ratings champ in late night, the audience will hold over through the evening news which means higher ratings for the evening news where the affiliates really rake in advertising money (which they don't have to share with the network).  The advertisers hold a lot of sway, but it's second to the joint power of the affiliates.  Remember, it was the affiliates that really took down the "Jay Leno Show."


I always assumed that Conan would take over on CBS when Letterman retired.
 
2013-03-22 07:57:32 PM  

douchebag/hater: RobertBruce: He's not good - it's just that he's being replaced by worse.

True but there's more.
You and everyone else are missing the point: In the bio of Carson on American Masters Leno flatly states that the goal of a successful LATE NIGHT talk show is to give people the opportunity to wind down and forget their troubles at the end of the day. And that is exactly what Leno does and he does it well.  I don't watch him because he seems to pander to his guests but give him his props: he does what he thinks is right and it words because he consistently kicks every other host in the ratings.

What gets me about the article is:
1) Leno was NEVER caustic and I say this as someone who saw him three times in the years preceding him making it big - once in front of a crowd of only 20 people.

2) Letterman's schick of being the 'grumpy old man' of talk show hosts is tired and boring. His attitude is piss poor  and he seems to hate even having to show up for work.

3) Conan sucks  and his movie from last year shows him to be a Grade 'A' jerk

4) WHY doesn't anyone - and this article is a great example - ever mention FERGUSON?!?!?


I think Conan is great. However I agree that he came off as a but of an A at times in his documentary. I love his silly, unpredictable style.

I think Leno ces across as a nice guy but I feel his material is stuck in the Clinton administration. He still does Clinton and Lewinsky jokes. And I think he should have stepped down and mentored Conan.

I haven't watched much of ferguson but he seems genuine which is nice. I think Kimmel seems like a good guy but I haven't laughed at much of his stuff.
 
2013-03-22 11:41:33 PM  

Mad_Season: Uisce Beatha: fusillade762: Martstar: /Craig Ferguson uber alles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K46P7loICXY

// Class act.


That and he's a Doctor Who fan. I can't think of any other show that has as many nerdy guests as Craig. From just the other night:

www.whoisjennalouisecoleman.com

Jenna-Louise Coleman Flusters Craig Ferguson
 
2013-03-23 12:56:30 AM  
I'm watching Lettermen.  Gayer than 10 tops on 10 bottoms.  Flip.
 
2013-03-23 01:31:36 AM  

Old Smokie: I'm watching Lettermen.   Gayer than 10 tops on 10 bottoms.  Flip.


Always indicate if you're talking about yourself or not.  And whether or not it has anything to do with what you watch.  And, who you flip for.
 
2013-03-23 02:14:12 AM  
I don't like watching Mr. Leno because the sound from our nearby NBC station comes across hollow on the TV set, regardless of what type of set I watch it on.
It's like everyone's talking from under a bucket at the bottom of a well.

Why does it do that??

I'm just glad I don't have any favorite NBC shows right now.

/miss the west wing
 
2013-03-23 07:19:53 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I don't like watching Mr. Leno because the sound from our nearby NBC station comes across hollow on the TV set, regardless of what type of set I watch it on.
It's like everyone's talking from under a bucket at the bottom of a well.

Why does it do that??


Because the station is likely combining audio channels that shouldn't be combined in order to squeeze 5.1 channels of audio through their old 1 or 2 channel audio processing. Cheapskates.
 
2013-03-23 10:36:25 AM  

The Billdozer: Vodka Zombie: "So Joey...  You got a girlfriend?"

The only Bill Hicks skit I've ever laughed at.


You bastards beat me to it.
 
2013-03-25 09:29:40 AM  

The Martian Manhandler: jaytkay: The Martian Manhandler: I can tell you why I hate Jay Leno - because I look like him. Not just 'kinda like him if you squint', but close enough that people have been telling me that I look like him on a regular basis for the past 20 years.

In college, I worked selling tickets at a tourist attraction near Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco, and I'd get people stopping to tell me how much I looked like Jay Leno at least once a week.

There are agents who specialize in people like you.

Unfortunately, I'm about 25 years younger than he is. Even worse, I was trying to be a real actor at the time, not just a look-alike.


ok....i gotta see pics, otherwise i call bs
 
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