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2013-03-22 07:05:02 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: I get the feeling Fallon is being put there to finally put the Tonight Show to pasture.  Times change, and the last thing anybody really wants to see is an hour-long commercial kissing the latest celebrity ass.  To say that Leno was Number 1 for 21 years is a bit of a joke that ignores the massive jump in communications that occurred a few years after Leno got the gig full-time that started the erosion of network TV's dominance that is still being felt today.


And there you have it.  The average household received 41 channels in 1995.  It's over 120 now.  Not to mention the Internet, streaming media, and so forth.
 
2013-03-22 07:26:10 AM  

Vodka Zombie: "So Joey...  You got a girlfriend?"


I was about to say it's not too late to go out with a bang.

/"...forming an NBC peacock on the wall behind him, 'cause he's a company man to the bitter farking end."
 
2013-03-22 07:44:14 AM  

Vodka Zombie: "So Joey...  You got a girlfriend?"


The only Bill Hicks skit I've ever laughed at.
 
2013-03-22 07:58:11 AM  

Happy Hours: I'm not sure who Joey Bishop is


In the Rat Pack, he was the white Jew.
 
2013-03-22 08:20:16 AM  
Every Jay Leno monologue since 1990:

"Some woman couldn't fit in her plane seat. Boy, how fat are we as a country... Did you hear [latest celebrity] got in a car crash? Heeeeeey! Have I done my Arnold Schwarzenegger impression yet? DEES-EES-MAI-AHHHNOLD-SCHWAAAARTZENEEEEGAH-IMPREEESHUN."
 
2013-03-22 08:33:49 AM  
 
2013-03-22 08:48:48 AM  

Happy Hours: Kyosuke: Happy Hours: ...but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.

Which is probably one of the reasons Carson was such a good HOST.

A host isn't supposed to be the life of the party. A host is supposed to allow his guests to be.

That's a fair point and one I hadn't considered


The other thing about Carson that aside from his Jack Benny-esque sense of comic timing which he used
to become a very effective interviewer, he was also a promoter of up-and-coming talent.

Compare how many big comics of the 70s and 80s got their start with a TONIGHT SHOW appearance vs
how many got their big breaks under Leno.
 
2013-03-22 09:10:07 AM  
None of these talk show guys would ever have had a job if the whole genre wasn't created by:

www.erniekovacs.net
 
2013-03-22 09:13:04 AM  

TheManofPA: Fano: TheManofPA: He forced this guy out of town:


Which is the ultimate unforgivable sin.

Comedy's Bill Brasky.

Carson once had sex with Fano's mother....it was so impressive, I let him have sex me.

So there I am, three months pregnant and old Carson shoves me down the stairs. He bought me a drink after and bought a round of golf for me and Bob Hope.

TO JOHNNY CARSON!


Lol
 
2013-03-22 09:22:38 AM  
I'm not a fan of Leno's, but I am skeptical of this move too. Lorne Michaels is 70+ years old - how long will it be until Fallon's puppet master decides to call it a day?
 
2013-03-22 10:09:38 AM  
No one outside of the US cares about Jay Leno. That makes more than six billion people who don't hate him.
(Don't really get the love for Conan either, I have to admit. As with Leno, the jokes are either really obvious or not really jokes at all.)
 
2013-03-22 10:16:22 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Happy Hours: Kyosuke: Happy Hours: ...but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.

Which is probably one of the reasons Carson was such a good HOST.

A host isn't supposed to be the life of the party. A host is supposed to allow his guests to be.

That's a fair point and one I hadn't considered

The other thing about Carson that aside from his Jack Benny-esque sense of comic timing which he used
to become a very effective interviewer, he was also a promoter of up-and-coming talent.

Compare how many big comics of the 70s and 80s got their start with a TONIGHT SHOW appearance vs
how many got their big breaks under Leno.


Trudat.  And you really had to earn your plug time with Johhny.  If Johnny liked you, he invited you to do stand up on his show.  If that went well, you were invited back again.  If THAT went well, you'd get a third invite but this time you'd get a segment on the couch after your routine where Johnny played the straight man and you were expected to be "on" for the entire segment.  Now only if all of that went OK, then your next time on the couch you could talk about upcoming projects and whatnot.
 
2013-03-22 10:47:38 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Adolf Oliver Nipples: People still watch late night TV talk shows?

OK, OK, I'm actually not that guy. If I watch, it's usually Leno. He's a safe, known quantity, and people stick with what they're comfortable with. Edgy means taking people out of their comfort zone, and few people will subject themselves to that consistently when they're trying to relax and wind down after a long day at work.

I've never understood why a business would put the brakes on a demonstrably successful product. What, they want younger viewers? Why? Young people don't have money and they have little interest in shows that their grandparents would recognize and enjoy. The affluent Boomers have all the money, and they're clearly the dominant late-night demographic. Fallon won't pull them in like Leno will, and NBC will live to regret this decision. Again.

I get the feeling Fallon is being put there to finally put the Tonight Show to pasture.  Times change, and the last thing anybody really wants to see is an hour-long commercial kissing the latest celebrity ass.  To say that Leno was Number 1 for 21 years is a bit of a joke that ignores the massive jump in communications that occurred a few years after Leno got the gig full-time that started the erosion of network TV's dominance that is still being felt today.

The days of staying up late to watch celebrities is fading.  And Comcast probably wants to start cleaning out the institutions of NBC so they can make it theirs.  And truth be told, they do have a valid point:  a lot of those institutions haven't been relevant for years.


hopefully SNL is next.
 
2013-03-22 10:51:27 AM  
I'm not sure who Joey Bishop is - maybe I'm just ignorant - but Bob Newhart, Jackie Gleason and Groucho Marx were all much funnier than Johnny Carson could ever have hoped to be.

http://www.nndb.com/people/568/000025493/

You might catch re-runs of his show on TVLand or Me-TV. The show is unremarkable, but the actress who played his wife is really cute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abby_Dalton
 
2013-03-22 10:55:03 AM  

stir22: Guntram Shatterhand: Adolf Oliver Nipples: People still watch late night TV talk shows?

OK, OK, I'm actually not that guy. If I watch, it's usually Leno. He's a safe, known quantity, and people stick with what they're comfortable with. Edgy means taking people out of their comfort zone, and few people will subject themselves to that consistently when they're trying to relax and wind down after a long day at work.

I've never understood why a business would put the brakes on a demonstrably successful product. What, they want younger viewers? Why? Young people don't have money and they have little interest in shows that their grandparents would recognize and enjoy. The affluent Boomers have all the money, and they're clearly the dominant late-night demographic. Fallon won't pull them in like Leno will, and NBC will live to regret this decision. Again.

I get the feeling Fallon is being put there to finally put the Tonight Show to pasture.  Times change, and the last thing anybody really wants to see is an hour-long commercial kissing the latest celebrity ass.  To say that Leno was Number 1 for 21 years is a bit of a joke that ignores the massive jump in communications that occurred a few years after Leno got the gig full-time that started the erosion of network TV's dominance that is still being felt today.

The days of staying up late to watch celebrities is fading.  And Comcast probably wants to start cleaning out the institutions of NBC so they can make it theirs.  And truth be told, they do have a valid point:  a lot of those institutions haven't been relevant for years.

hopefully SNL is next.


SNL has regularly been the most-watched show on NBC this spring.  It's not going anywhere any time soon.
 
2013-03-22 11:36:39 AM  

dryknife: None of these talk show guys would ever have had a job if the whole genre wasn't created by:


It would have been interesting if EK was in the pool to choose from, eh?

//kovacs fan
 
2013-03-22 02:11:31 PM  

The Martian Manhandler: jaytkay: The Martian Manhandler: I can tell you why I hate Jay Leno - because I look like him. Not just 'kinda like him if you squint', but close enough that people have been telling me that I look like him on a regular basis for the past 20 years.

In college, I worked selling tickets at a tourist attraction near Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco, and I'd get people stopping to tell me how much I looked like Jay Leno at least once a week.

There are agents who specialize in people like you.

Unfortunately, I'm about 25 years younger than he is. Even worse, I was trying to be a real actor at the time, not just a look-alike.


When life hands you lemons and a large chin, make lemonade and try not to get it all over your chin.
 
2013-03-22 03:25:25 PM  

Kyosuke: I know it's not a popular opinion, but I think Fallon is the closest thing to Johnny Carson there is on television right now, and they really need a Johnny Carson. Fallon is the only host I see that allows guests their time in the spotlight, without all the posing and preening and quipping that the other hosts to do massage their own egos. Fallon has many of the traits that made Carson such a good host. Carson (at least on set) was the nicest most patient guy in the business, and Fallon has that same on-air personality.


This in no way reflects my experience watching Fallon's show. I'll grant that he seems like a nice guy and he does some good impressions, but his interviews remind me of that Chris Farley Show skit, "Remember when you were in _____? That was awesome." Awkward and nothing to say.

The one host who sounds like he's having an actual conversation with the guest is Ferguson (as evidenced by his ritual of ripping up the cards whenever a new guest sits down). Half the time they forget to talk about the movie or show they're promoting.
 
2013-03-22 04:25:15 PM  

browntimmy: The one host who sounds like he's having an actual conversation with the guest is Ferguson (as evidenced by his ritual of ripping up the cards whenever a new guest sits down). Half the time they forget to talk about the movie or show they're promoting.


I started recording Ferguson this week because I've watched the show off and on and decided I wanted to watch more of it. Adam Eckhart was on the other night. I considered Eckhart to be kind of boring based on previous interviews, but Ferguson and Eckhart had a great time, especially when they pretended to get angry at each other. Eckhart is standing and yelling at Ferguson. It was fantastic and hilarious stuff.
 
2013-03-22 04:37:36 PM  

rugman11: SNL has regularly been the most-watched show on NBC this spring.  It's not going anywhere any time soon.


Which is a lot like being the cute girl at fat camp.
 
2013-03-22 04:45:41 PM  

roughridersfan: browntimmy: The one host who sounds like he's having an actual conversation with the guest is Ferguson (as evidenced by his ritual of ripping up the cards whenever a new guest sits down). Half the time they forget to talk about the movie or show they're promoting.

I started recording Ferguson this week because I've watched the show off and on and decided I wanted to watch more of it. Adam Eckhart was on the other night. I considered Eckhart to be kind of boring based on previous interviews, but Ferguson and Eckhart had a great time, especially when they pretended to get angry at each other. Eckhart is standing and yelling at Ferguson. It was fantastic and hilarious stuff.


I guess I'll have to try Ferguson again. Problem is I can rarely get past his monologue.
 
2013-03-22 04:59:20 PM  

No Line For Beer: Remember where you heard this crazy thought first:

He'll go to CBS and replace Dave.

Dave wins: He wants his show to be a legacy show like The Tonight Show.  Jay is one of the few hosts that gives the show enough credibility.  Replace Dave with anyone else and it'll probably be gone in a few years.

Jay wins:  He obviously doesn't want to go yet and going to CBS would be the ultimate finger to NBC.  And it's pretty obvious that he's not the company man he used to be.

CBS wins: Leno brings in the ratings and he'll not only bring in the over 30 audience, he'll stop splitting that audience with Dave.

Affiliates win: With the #1 primetime lineup and the ratings champ in late night, the audience will hold over through the evening news which means higher ratings for the evening news where the affiliates really rake in advertising money (which they don't have to share with the network).  The advertisers hold a lot of sway, but it's second to the joint power of the affiliates.  Remember, it was the affiliates that really took down the "Jay Leno Show."


I always assumed that Conan would take over on CBS when Letterman retired.
 
2013-03-22 07:57:32 PM  

douchebag/hater: RobertBruce: He's not good - it's just that he's being replaced by worse.

True but there's more.
You and everyone else are missing the point: In the bio of Carson on American Masters Leno flatly states that the goal of a successful LATE NIGHT talk show is to give people the opportunity to wind down and forget their troubles at the end of the day. And that is exactly what Leno does and he does it well.  I don't watch him because he seems to pander to his guests but give him his props: he does what he thinks is right and it words because he consistently kicks every other host in the ratings.

What gets me about the article is:
1) Leno was NEVER caustic and I say this as someone who saw him three times in the years preceding him making it big - once in front of a crowd of only 20 people.

2) Letterman's schick of being the 'grumpy old man' of talk show hosts is tired and boring. His attitude is piss poor  and he seems to hate even having to show up for work.

3) Conan sucks  and his movie from last year shows him to be a Grade 'A' jerk

4) WHY doesn't anyone - and this article is a great example - ever mention FERGUSON?!?!?


I think Conan is great. However I agree that he came off as a but of an A at times in his documentary. I love his silly, unpredictable style.

I think Leno ces across as a nice guy but I feel his material is stuck in the Clinton administration. He still does Clinton and Lewinsky jokes. And I think he should have stepped down and mentored Conan.

I haven't watched much of ferguson but he seems genuine which is nice. I think Kimmel seems like a good guy but I haven't laughed at much of his stuff.
 
2013-03-22 11:41:33 PM  

Mad_Season: Uisce Beatha: fusillade762: Martstar: /Craig Ferguson uber alles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K46P7loICXY

// Class act.


That and he's a Doctor Who fan. I can't think of any other show that has as many nerdy guests as Craig. From just the other night:

www.whoisjennalouisecoleman.com

Jenna-Louise Coleman Flusters Craig Ferguson
 
2013-03-23 12:56:30 AM  
I'm watching Lettermen.  Gayer than 10 tops on 10 bottoms.  Flip.
 
2013-03-23 01:31:36 AM  

Old Smokie: I'm watching Lettermen.   Gayer than 10 tops on 10 bottoms.  Flip.


Always indicate if you're talking about yourself or not.  And whether or not it has anything to do with what you watch.  And, who you flip for.
 
2013-03-23 02:14:12 AM  
I don't like watching Mr. Leno because the sound from our nearby NBC station comes across hollow on the TV set, regardless of what type of set I watch it on.
It's like everyone's talking from under a bucket at the bottom of a well.

Why does it do that??

I'm just glad I don't have any favorite NBC shows right now.

/miss the west wing
 
2013-03-23 07:19:53 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I don't like watching Mr. Leno because the sound from our nearby NBC station comes across hollow on the TV set, regardless of what type of set I watch it on.
It's like everyone's talking from under a bucket at the bottom of a well.

Why does it do that??


Because the station is likely combining audio channels that shouldn't be combined in order to squeeze 5.1 channels of audio through their old 1 or 2 channel audio processing. Cheapskates.
 
2013-03-23 10:36:25 AM  

The Billdozer: Vodka Zombie: "So Joey...  You got a girlfriend?"

The only Bill Hicks skit I've ever laughed at.


You bastards beat me to it.
 
2013-03-25 09:29:40 AM  

The Martian Manhandler: jaytkay: The Martian Manhandler: I can tell you why I hate Jay Leno - because I look like him. Not just 'kinda like him if you squint', but close enough that people have been telling me that I look like him on a regular basis for the past 20 years.

In college, I worked selling tickets at a tourist attraction near Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco, and I'd get people stopping to tell me how much I looked like Jay Leno at least once a week.

There are agents who specialize in people like you.

Unfortunately, I'm about 25 years younger than he is. Even worse, I was trying to be a real actor at the time, not just a look-alike.


ok....i gotta see pics, otherwise i call bs
 
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