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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-21 05:25:55 PM
84 per cent of the deaths due to too much sodium were in low and middle-income countries.

I.e., don't worry, Americans, we have drugs to fix your salt problem.
 
2013-03-21 05:26:58 PM
Ban high capacity salt shakers?
 
2013-03-21 05:30:02 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ban high capacity salt shakers?


I don't doubt for one second that if Bloomberg thought he could get away with it he would try to set maximum sodium, saturated fat, and sugar levels for any food served in NYC.
 
2013-03-21 05:50:46 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ban high capacity salt shakers?


There was a foodie article on Yahoo the other day suggesting people put salt in their pepper shakers and visa versa. That way you will cut down on salt, being you don't add as much pepper on food as you do salt.

They just didn't mention most pepper shakers have larger holes.
 
2013-03-21 06:03:31 PM

TuteTibiImperes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ban high capacity salt shakers?

I don't doubt for one second that if Bloomberg thought he could get away with it he would try to set maximum sodium, saturated fat, and sugar levels for any food served in NYC.


Felix Ortiz, an NYC city councilman, introduced a bill years ago to ban restaurants from using any form of salt in food preparation. Fool
 
2013-03-21 06:12:47 PM

ArkAngel: TuteTibiImperes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ban high capacity salt shakers?

I don't doubt for one second that if Bloomberg thought he could get away with it he would try to set maximum sodium, saturated fat, and sugar levels for any food served in NYC.

Felix Ortiz, an NYC city councilman, introduced a bill years ago to ban restaurants from using any form of salt in food preparation. Fool


Heh, I imagine that provoked a fairly lively response from the restaurant industry.
 
2013-03-21 06:22:19 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ban high capacity salt shakers?


Bravo

/lookin' for my outlaw shaker of salt.
 
2013-03-21 06:34:48 PM
at least it's not smoking

t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-21 06:58:03 PM
The Japanese would like a word with you subby.
 
2013-03-21 08:02:19 PM

Godscrack: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ban high capacity salt shakers?

There was a foodie article on Yahoo the other day suggesting people put salt in their pepper shakers and visa versa. That way you will cut down on salt, being you don't add as much pepper on food as you do salt.

They just didn't mention most pepper shakers have larger holes.


I actually did that with my little salt shakers at work and home. I put pepper in the salt shaker and salt in the pepper shaker. This is because I like pepper. I figured that more pepper comes out of a tiny salt shaker than out of a tiny pepper shaker. I may be wrong. The pepper needs to be finely ground or else it doesn't come out at all.

Mostly I don't add salt to food unless it really needs it. The only food that really needs salt seems to be eggs but you can still make do with extra pepper or salt substitute.

Another thing I did was buy salt which is half sodium chloride and half magnesium chloride. It is more like sea salt without the ridiculous high price. The same saltiness with half the sodium.

The real hazard is not the salt-shaker, but the insistence of manufacturers on adding too much salt to processed food to make up for the processing-out of flavour and nutrition.

Canadian restaurants use a lot more salt than American restaurants as a rule. You can see the difference if you visit the McDonald's site in both countries. The Yank complained about too much salt in Canadian food when I was an undergraduate but I thought he was just talking through his hat, but I guess he was right and owe him an apology for not believing him.

So, I'm sorry Yank, whereever you are!
 
2013-03-21 08:14:27 PM
Low sodium diets can kill you as well.  Hyponatremia is just as, if not more, dangerous than hypernatremia.
 
2013-03-21 08:14:54 PM
If the report is correct and 2.3 million people a year die from too much salt, then in 100 years, 230 million people will have died from too much salt. The populaton of the world is over 7,000,000,000 so that is roughly 1 in 28. Did I say 1 in 28? Actually, the world's population is over 7,300,000,000 so I rounded out the people who will die from salt and sugar over the course of the next 100 years. That means the odds are now more like 0 to 28 than 1 to 28. I don't want to make a mistake so I'll leave it at that. I am afraid what might happen if I divide by 0.

I like dem odds! My chances of dying from some sort of heart disease is 1 in 4 and from any kind of cancer is 1 in 5. I have a better chance of dying pickled than from too much salt.

In a similar vein, if 840,000 people die each year from too much sugar in soft drinks, then that means 84,000,000 will die in 100 years. Add them to the people who die from salt, you get 344 million, which is about the current population of the US and Canada.

I figure the pleasure I get from food and drink greatly outweighs the risk, so just make the manufacturers of other foods that I don't love make their junk food healthier, and I'll go on eating junk food whose ingredients are simple and clear, like water and sugar, or potatoes and unsaturated vegetable oil.

How deadly can sugar be, really? Every cell in our body runs on glucose. All carbs and protein have to be turned into glucose before our cells can metabolize it. The problem is not glucose. The problem is too much fat, especially around the waist line. It's easier to skip meals than it is snacks.

In other words, nutritionists can BITE ME!
 
2013-03-21 08:31:48 PM

Summoner101: Low sodium diets can kill you as well.  Hyponatremia is just as, if not more, dangerous than hypernatremia.


Oh, thanks. That reminds me of what I wanted to look up: the number of people who die from TOO LITTLE SALT.

Let's start with the 2,800,000 children who die of dehydration because of diarrhea. The charities that provide salt tablets to poor women in the Third World point out that for a few pennies of salt, you can rehydrate these children and save their lives.

Interesting, isn't it, that the number of people who die from too little salt because they are poor is higher than the number who die from too much salt because they are over-fed and relatively rich.

Hmmmm ... I think I will add that to my list of things that make you go Hmmmm.

I am not saying the study is wrong. Too much salt and sugar do predispose you to several maladies including several major killers. But it doesn't make a fig of difference, as far as I can see, whether you get it in the form of stuff nutritionists love to push or stuff they hate and want to see banned.

Also, the nutritionists clearly don't have any clue whatsoever what is really healthy because they keep coming out with contradictory studies and advice a century or more after their scientific discipline was founded.

If I ate the poor diet of little old ladies who live with two cats on a small pension, namely white processed bread, butter, tea, milk, cookies, jam and the occassional can of tuna, nutritionists would be appalled at the scantness and imbalance of my diet, not to mention the amount of processing, and of mercury in the tuna. And like the little old ladies, I'd be well on my way to 99.

Well, actually I AM well on my way to 99. Having lived on a diet of junk food, I am also a Terrible Example.

But I am a Terrible Example who is older than at least half to two-thirds of the world's population, seeing as there were only 3 billion people when I was born and there are 7 billion now, and no aliens have been allowed residency on the planet Earth since then.

I know it would be good to cut back on some things and to eat more of others, but blyuk! I don't like the others and I crave some things which aren't strictly great nutrition. It should matter much, though. A calorie is a calorie, a glucose molecule a glucose molecule, and a cheesecake is a reason for living.
 
2013-03-21 08:41:24 PM
A no sodium diet would kill everbody.
 
2013-03-21 08:41:33 PM
Guess I shouldn't have bought all those salt licks for myself.
 
2013-03-21 08:42:38 PM
Wanted for questioning.
www.myothersuperpower.com
 
2013-03-21 08:42:53 PM
To much salt?  No there is to little drinking of water with the salty food.  I would say this is an improper hydration problem.  That and processed food.
 
2013-03-21 08:44:48 PM
 
2013-03-21 08:44:57 PM
Maybe too many people live on a diet of highly processed prepared foods which are often loaded with sodium.

Maybe people who just pour salt all over their food before even tasting it are dying off to save those of us who cook the meals a prison sentence.
 
2013-03-21 08:45:01 PM
Sure, it looks harmless.
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2013-03-21 08:46:49 PM

brantgoose: If the report is correct and 2.3 million people a year die from too much salt, then in 100 years, 230 million people will have died from too much salt. The populaton of the world is over 7,000,000,000 so that is roughly 1 in 28. Did I say 1 in 28? Actually, the world's population is over 7,300,000,000 so I rounded out the people who will die from salt and sugar over the course of the next 100 years. That means the odds are now more like 0 to 28 than 1 to 28. I don't want to make a mistake so I'll leave it at that. I am afraid what might happen if I divide by 0.

I like dem odds! My chances of dying from some sort of heart disease is 1 in 4 and from any kind of cancer is 1 in 5. I have a better chance of dying pickled than from too much salt.

In a similar vein, if 840,000 people die each year from too much sugar in soft drinks, then that means 84,000,000 will die in 100 years. Add them to the people who die from salt, you get 344 million, which is about the current population of the US and Canada.

I figure the pleasure I get from food and drink greatly outweighs the risk, so just make the manufacturers of other foods that I don't love make their junk food healthier, and I'll go on eating junk food whose ingredients are simple and clear, like water and sugar, or potatoes and unsaturated vegetable oil.

How deadly can sugar be, really? Every cell in our body runs on glucose. All carbs and protein have to be turned into glucose before our cells can metabolize it. The problem is not glucose. The problem is too much fat, especially around the waist line. It's easier to skip meals than it is snacks.

In other words, nutritionists can BITE ME!


www.miserableretailslave.com
 
2013-03-21 08:48:04 PM
The Salt Institute objects to the study

There's a shocker.
 
2013-03-21 08:48:19 PM

brantgoose: I actually did that with my little salt shakers at work and home. I put pepper in the salt shaker and salt in the pepper shaker. This is because I like pepper. I figured that more pepper comes out of a tiny salt shaker than out of a tiny pepper shaker. I may be wrong. The pepper needs to be finely ground or else it doesn't come out at all.



That's crazy, man. I tried the same thing. Except with cocaine.
 
2013-03-21 08:50:06 PM
Its not the freaking salt, everybody is dehydrated. Add salt to that, and yeah, its the salt that's the problem.
 
2013-03-21 08:52:08 PM
Too much salt?  You mean that stuff that is jammed by the ton into processed foods like Easy Mac, and frozen foods that are oh so convenient?

Is it too much of the one, or is it people being lazy and not knowing how to cook a goddamned fresh vegetable?
 
2013-03-21 08:52:45 PM
I wonder how many people die from lack of salt?
 
2013-03-21 08:54:33 PM
It's not even the minimal salt you add to your food that's the problem. The problem is the massive amounts of sodium in the processed foods people shovel into their mouths.
 
2013-03-21 08:54:44 PM
so now im a murderer?images10.newegg.com
 
2013-03-21 08:55:14 PM
You can pry my assault salt from my cold dead hands.
 
2013-03-21 08:56:40 PM

Godscrack: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ban high capacity salt shakers?

There was a foodie article on Yahoo the other day suggesting people put salt in their pepper shakers and visa versa. That way you will cut down on salt, being you don't add as much pepper on food as you do salt.

They just didn't mention most pepper shakers have larger holes.


I find it weird that mcdonald's has salt shakers. Isn't it salty enough for any one?

And i must be an oddball. I put more pepper on things than the Duchess, but i rarely salt anything other than a baked potato.

Also, these are lies, i saw in a fark thread just today that said they have never proved that salt kills.
 
2013-03-21 08:57:35 PM
Since my wife's grandmother just died this afternoon from having too low of sodium, I'm not getting a kick....

/no she really did
//docs just couldn't get it up no matter what they did
 
2013-03-21 08:58:05 PM
So, I'm guessing that every heart attack, stroke, or other cardiovascular disease that happened to somebody with elevated blood pressure is blamed on salt intake?
 
2013-03-21 08:58:39 PM
I remember reading an almanac that stated 1500 people are injured every year from accidents involving drinking straws.  How the hell can they possibly know that? Is there a database for that or were they using complex statistical projections to guess?

I think the same thing when I see stories like this.
 
2013-03-21 09:00:48 PM

SoundOfOneHandWanking: Its not the freaking salt, everybody is dehydrated. Add salt to that, and yeah, its the salt that's the problem.


It's not too much salt, it's the processed garbage that has to be loaded with it to taste like something.

Sprinkling salt on actual food will not Burt you.
 
2013-03-21 09:02:57 PM

El Dudereno: SoundOfOneHandWanking: Its not the freaking salt, everybody is dehydrated. Add salt to that, and yeah, its the salt that's the problem.

It's not too much salt, it's the processed garbage that has to be loaded with it to taste like something.

Sprinkling salt on actual food will not Burt you.


Hurt... wow.
 
2013-03-21 09:03:21 PM

brantgoose: Summoner101: Low sodium diets can kill you as well.  Hyponatremia is just as, if not more, dangerous than hypernatremia.

Oh, thanks. That reminds me of what I wanted to look up: the number of people who die from TOO LITTLE SALT.

Let's start with the 2,800,000 children who die of dehydration because of diarrhea. The charities that provide salt tablets to poor women in the Third World point out that for a few pennies of salt, you can rehydrate these children and save their lives.

Interesting, isn't it, that the number of people who die from too little salt because they are poor is higher than the number who die from too much salt because they are over-fed and relatively rich.

Hmmmm ... I think I will add that to my list of things that make you go Hmmmm.

I am not saying the study is wrong. Too much salt and sugar do predispose you to several maladies including several major killers. But it doesn't make a fig of difference, as far as I can see, whether you get it in the form of stuff nutritionists love to push or stuff they hate and want to see banned.

Also, the nutritionists clearly don't have any clue whatsoever what is really healthy because they keep coming out with contradictory studies and advice a century or more after their scientific discipline was founded.

If I ate the poor diet of little old ladies who live with two cats on a small pension, namely white processed bread, butter, tea, milk, cookies, jam and the occassional can of tuna, nutritionists would be appalled at the scantness and imbalance of my diet, not to mention the amount of processing, and of mercury in the tuna. And like the little old ladies, I'd be well on my way to 99.

Well, actually I AM well on my way to 99. Having lived on a diet of junk food, I am also a Terrible Example.

But I am a Terrible Example who is older than at least half to two-thirds of the world's population, seeing as there were only 3 billion people when I was born and there are 7 billion now, and no aliens have been ...


Those studies are MIGHTY contradictory.  Really there's not much scientifically valid evidence showing that increased salt intake causes hypertension or any other problem in most people.  A lot of the supporting evidence for the case of it being a health risk has long since been discredited, yet it remains a popular thing to SAY.

You can literally eat all you want, you'll just piss it out.  It does not seem to damage the body.
 
2013-03-21 09:03:56 PM
Wanted for questioning:

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2013-03-21 09:05:20 PM

halB: Too much salt?  You mean that stuff that is jammed by the ton into processed foods like Easy Mac, and frozen foods that are oh so convenient?

Is it too much of the one, or is it people being lazy and not knowing how to cook a goddamned fresh vegetable?


Yea not eating too much salt is super easy if you buy fruits, vegetables, meat, plain grain and dairy and then prepare your own food.

On the other hand, it is nearly impossible when you're eating prepared foods. I mean I get that food manufacturers can save money by only making their food taste good with sodium, but it is extreme.

And yea I agree with the people who say dehydration is the real problem or that once you get high blood pressure from other causes the salt makes it even worse. But those processed salty foods suck for other reasons so its still a good policy to stay away from them for the most part.
 
2013-03-21 09:06:01 PM

El Dudereno: SoundOfOneHandWanking: Its not the freaking salt, everybody is dehydrated. Add salt to that, and yeah, its the salt that's the problem.

It's not too much salt, it's the processed garbage that has to be loaded with it to taste like something.

Sprinkling salt on actual food will not Burt you.


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2013-03-21 09:07:06 PM
It's the crap table salt. Spend a bit more for sea salt or Himalayan salt. Plus all the salt un prepared foods.
 
2013-03-21 09:08:06 PM
So the US represents roughly 4.52% of the world's population. 4.52% of 2.3 million is 103,500.

Guns killed 39,000 in the US in 2011.

Ban guns, obviously.

Some also-rans...
Heart disease: 597,689
Cancer: 574,743
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
Alzheimer's disease: 83,494 Diabetes: 69,071
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
 
2013-03-21 09:11:18 PM

echomike23: so now im a murderer?[images10.newegg.com image 300x225]


Only when you are high.
 
2013-03-21 09:11:44 PM
I was turned off to salt during a Boy Scout camping expo when I was 14. A kid in the troop that shared our dining table that week would add salt to almost every forkful of food. Me and my friends were entertained, but it disturbed me.
 
2013-03-21 09:12:41 PM

brantgoose: I am not saying the study is wrong. Too much salt and sugar do predispose you to several maladies including several major killers. But it doesn't make a fig of difference, as far as I can see, whether you get it in the form of stuff nutritionists love to push or stuff they hate and want to see banned.


I think the point they're trying to make is that salt occurs naturally enough in your diet that as someone who has a normal diet, you don't need to do it any favors. You'll still get plenty, which is what I was taught all along. I still add salt myself, but not very much, and only after trying the food first.

I also use sea salt, because despite what some people insist, it has a stronger flavor, so I use even less of it. Besides, the stuff I use is a really cool color and much more festive sitting on the table... :-)
 
2013-03-21 09:14:17 PM
This thread gave me a salt craving, so I cut up a tomato and added salt and balsamic vinegar.  Yum.  I love salt.  I used to eat the packets in high school.
 
2013-03-21 09:14:53 PM
I wish people would use less salt just because I find almost everything way too salty. In moderate amounts, it can be a great flavor enhancer. In excess, in almost every restaurant or packaged food, it just tastes...salty. Unless I'm eating salt and vinegar potato chips, I want salt to complement the flavor, not to be the flavor.
 
2013-03-21 09:16:21 PM

Kevin72: It's the crap table salt. Spend a bit more for sea salt or Himalayan salt. Plus all the salt un prepared foods.


You're...you're like an audiophile for food. Is that all foodies really are? I feel like I've either made a major discovery, or I'm just really slow to catch on to this fact.
 
2013-03-21 09:16:26 PM

TuteTibiImperes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ban high capacity salt shakers?

I don't doubt for one second that if Bloomberg thought he could get away with it he would try to set maximum sodium, saturated fat, and sugar levels for any food served in NYC.


sad thing is setting sodium max would save more lives than antigunnut policies.
 
2013-03-21 09:18:04 PM

born_yesterday: This thread gave me a salt craving, so I cut up a tomato and added salt and balsamic vinegar.  Yum.  I love salt.  I used to eat the packets in high school.


couple of slices of tomato on toast with salt and pepper, and vinegar.
 
2013-03-21 09:19:01 PM

devildog123: Since my wife's grandmother just died this afternoon from having too low of sodium, I'm not getting a kick....

/no she really did
//docs just couldn't get it up no matter what they did


Well, it IS hard to get it up with a dying old lady nearby...for some people.

/sorry
 
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