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(WWLTV New Orleans)   Louisiana Governor says replacing Income Tax with Sales Tax will provide the same amount of revenue. Non partisan study finds his numbers to be a little bit off. A little bit, in this case, being slightly north of a half billion dollars   (wwltv.com) divider line 133
    More: Fail, Louisiana governor, Bobby Jindal, tax exemption, sales taxes, restructuring plan  
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2013-03-21 04:45:28 PM
 
2013-03-21 04:50:17 PM
[Hank Hill]

Dammit, Bobby!

[/Hank Hill]
 
2013-03-21 04:50:53 PM
I don't understand Republicans anymore.
 
2013-03-21 04:52:18 PM
Haha! Say goodbye to your life of luxury, poor people!
 
2013-03-21 04:54:20 PM

Weaver95: I don't understand Republicans anymore.


And they don't seem to understand anything at all
 
2013-03-21 04:55:09 PM
When was the last time a Republican was right about anything?
 
2013-03-21 04:58:38 PM
It's just math Republicans do to make themselves feel better. Like the budget surplus Texas has
 
2013-03-21 05:04:49 PM

Lionel Mandrake: When was the last time a Republican was right about anything?


January 17, 1961
 
2013-03-21 05:06:34 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Lionel Mandrake: When was the last time a Republican was right about anything?

January 17, 1961


nice

That's about 4 years after the last time I would have voted Republican
 
2013-03-21 05:07:07 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Weaver95: I don't understand Republicans anymore.

And they don't seem to understand anything at all


I don't get it.  how can they lose so badly in the last election cycle...and not learn a damn thing from it?
 
2013-03-21 05:07:16 PM
That sounds about right.  It'll seriously hurt their state's economy too.  A sales tax disproportionally hurts those who are already spending their entire monthly earnings.  That's going to yield a significant net loss to the state's economy.
 
2013-03-21 05:08:06 PM
I think sales taxes in Orleans Parish, combining state and parish, are currently just shy of 10%.

Could another 10% or so on top of that hurt that much? Hey, its not like killing the state's tourism industry actually matters to Piyush's presidential bona fides, which is all he cares about anyway.
 
2013-03-21 05:08:49 PM

Weaver95: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Weaver95: I don't understand Republicans anymore.

And they don't seem to understand anything at all

I don't get it.  how can they lose so badly in the last election cycle...and not learn a damn thing from it?


Oh, but they did learn from it

/they learned they obviously weren't conservative enough
 
2013-03-21 05:10:03 PM

Weaver95: I don't understand Republicans anymore.


Uuuum, they've always been like this with respect to taxes.  What made you realize it in the last few years?
 
2013-03-21 05:10:42 PM

GAT_00: That sounds about right.  It'll seriously hurt their state's economy too.  A sales tax disproportionally hurts those who are already spending their entire monthly earnings.  That's going to yield a significant net loss to the state's economy.


On the bright side, tacking another 25% onto every purchase opens some wonderful opportunities for enterprising souls looking to branch out into selling merchandise on the black market.
 
2013-03-21 05:11:40 PM
Can't they just tax the Duck Dynasty family?
 
2013-03-21 05:12:38 PM

doyner: Weaver95: I don't understand Republicans anymore.

Uuuum, they've always been like this with respect to taxes.  What made you realize it in the last few years?


because they're starting to lose elections that they SHOULD be winning hands down.  that should be a VERY big warning sign for the GOP.  but they just...ignore it.
 
2013-03-21 05:16:09 PM

Weaver95: doyner: Weaver95: I don't understand Republicans anymore.

Uuuum, they've always been like this with respect to taxes.  What made you realize it in the last few years?

because they're starting to lose elections that they SHOULD be winning hands down.  that should be a VERY big warning sign for the GOP.  but they just...ignore it.


Perhaps I was vague.  Why do you oppose (if you do) this policy now?
 
2013-03-21 05:17:03 PM

Weaver95: doyner: Weaver95: I don't understand Republicans anymore.

Uuuum, they've always been like this with respect to taxes.  What made you realize it in the last few years?

because they're starting to lose elections that they SHOULD be winning hands down.  that should be a VERY big warning sign for the GOP.  but they just...ignore it.


There's been a few voicing concerns, but they've been tarred as the "establishment," which is quickly becoming a dirtier word than "liberal."

RIP GOP
 
2013-03-21 05:22:53 PM

Lionel Mandrake: RIP GOP


Well, that's a little premature, isn't it? After all, they hold a majority of governorships, and the House.

However it is true they seem to be actively trying to drive away any constituents who are not old white men, which as an electoral strategy is ultimately a terminal one.

If I was to summon an image that symbolizes the GOP at this stage in its life, I would probably go with this:

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-03-21 05:23:12 PM
Oh, f*ck it. Let the state burn (further) to the ground. I don't care anymore.
 
2013-03-21 05:29:40 PM

gilgigamesh: f I was to summon an image that symbolizes the GOP at this stage in its life, I would probably go with this:


Hey, man, nice comparison!
 
2013-03-21 05:32:16 PM

gilgigamesh: Lionel Mandrake: RIP GOP

Well, that's a little premature, isn't it? After all, they hold a majority of governorships, and the House.

However it is true they seem to be actively trying to drive away any constituents who are not old white men, which as an electoral strategy is ultimately a terminal one.

If I was to summon an image that symbolizes the GOP at this stage in its life, I would probably go with this:

[userserve-ak.last.fm image 252x375]


Yeesh... I remember that

/still creeps me out
 
2013-03-21 06:02:35 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Haha! Say goodbye to your life of luxury, poor people!


Yeah! Why should they get refrigerators? If they want such things they should work for them.
 
2013-03-21 06:06:42 PM

gilgigamesh: Lionel Mandrake: RIP GOP

Well, that's a little premature, isn't it? After all, they hold a majority of governorships, and the House.


Yeah, they're not dead yet.  But they're in the ICU stuck full of tubes.

I can't honestly say "Get well soon," though.
 
2013-03-21 06:25:17 PM
More tax cuts will offset the shortfall.
 
2013-03-21 06:26:13 PM
WHAT.  ANOTHER Republican governor proposing that they give tax breaks to the rich and replace the revenue with tax increases that mainly affect the poor and middle class?  INSANITY.
 
2013-03-21 06:30:42 PM
That kind of money could pay for a lot of volcano monitoring.
 
2013-03-21 06:32:19 PM
dumbarse.  its going to be further off than they think once the figure in people who live close tothe borders with other states cross the border to avoid the new tax to save money.
 
2013-03-21 06:33:20 PM

Satanic_Hamster: WHAT.  ANOTHER Republican governor proposing that they give tax breaks to the rich and replace the revenue with tax increases that mainly affect the poor and middle class?  INSANITY.


That's not even the half of it.  He wants to end tax breaks for the film industry, Habitat for Humanity, and the Brad Pitt homes that were built in the Lower 9th Ward.  Because they're not oil or the Saints, which is where a lot of our state's money goes.

Oh, and the drastic cuts to higher education.

But, he's 'R', so these dipshiats will eat it the fark up.
 
2013-03-21 06:33:21 PM
I wish democrats were as fiscally responsible as republicans.
 
2013-03-21 06:39:58 PM
Read somewhere that he needs 2/3 legislature approval to change the sales tax.
Don't know details of those types of legislative rules and mechanics in LA, but from another article, it sounded like his plan isn't exactly a foregone conclusion.
 
2013-03-21 06:53:05 PM

Weaver95: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Weaver95: I don't understand Republicans anymore.

And they don't seem to understand anything at all

I don't get it.  how can they lose so badly in the last election cycle...and not learn a damn thing from it?


Here's an analogy for ya.

Let's say you're a really fat person.  I mean morbidly obese.  Our society has a social stygma attached to obesity.  People don't like obese people as much.  It's societal as well as biological, but for our purposes the reasons are irrelevant  Just take as fact that it's true.

Now, you're faced with choices.  On the one hand, you can try and not be obese anymore.  Losing weight is incredibly hard, especially if you're so out of shape that exercise is both very difficult and socially embarrassing.  On the other hand, you can accept that you're obese and try, pretend there's nothing wrong, and change others to accept you.  Big is beautiful, be outraged at people who "discriminate" against you, associate with other people your size, etc.

You probably see the analogy I'm trying to make here already, but for those who don't, it's often easier to pretend you don't have a problem than try and fix the problem.  Many people like to take the easy way out, even if it's not really better in the long run (or even in the short run).

For Republicans, it's easier to try and use propaganda to spin their situation than actually fix the problems that have roots down to the very deepest of their own core beliefs.
 
2013-03-21 06:54:07 PM

Lord_Baull: I wish democrats were as fiscally responsible as republicans.


Were that the case, America would have closed up shop long ago.
 
2013-03-21 07:04:21 PM

gilgigamesh: GAT_00: That sounds about right.  It'll seriously hurt their state's economy too.  A sales tax disproportionally hurts those who are already spending their entire monthly earnings.  That's going to yield a significant net loss to the state's economy.

On the bright side, tacking another 25% onto every purchase opens some wonderful opportunities for enterprising souls looking to branch out into selling merchandise on the black market.


Yeah, I have a feeling garage sales are about to get REAL popular in Louisiana.

/until they're made illegal, because we can't give poor people a chance to make any kind of money without the gubmint getting its hands on it
//very liberal, love me my taxes, but holy shiat we make it impossible for poor people to do any of the things that might actually help them not be poor anymore
 
2013-03-21 07:10:31 PM
Fark it... do it... do it now... show us how well conservative math works out, just like in AL, MS, and the other beggar states who are constantly at the federal trough.
 
2013-03-21 07:12:59 PM

Weaver95: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Weaver95: I don't understand Republicans anymore.

And they don't seem to understand anything at all

I don't get it.  how can they lose so badly in the last election cycle...and not learn a damn thing from it?


Somehow, they keep convincing themselves that they're actually winning.

It's very strange to watch.
 
2013-03-21 07:13:06 PM
Half a billion dollars is chump change for oil and crawfish rich Louisiana. Jindal's premise is dead on right: More take home pay translates to more spending. The last time I checked, American's spend more than they earn. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Jindal isn't some huckster, he's a smart guy.
 
2013-03-21 07:17:33 PM

Weaver95: I don't understand Republicans anymore.


It's class warfare, they've been engaging in it for 30 years, and they're winning.

How surprising is it that public assistance keeps growing when the rich keep siphoning money from the middle class?  How long can that continue?
 
2013-03-21 07:19:24 PM

MJMaloney187: Half a billion dollars is chump change for oil and crawfish rich Louisiana. Jindal's premise is dead on right: More take home pay translates to more spending. The last time I checked, American's spend more than they earn. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Jindal isn't some huckster, he's a smart guy.


Except how much does he plan to raise the sales tax to make it "revenue neutral".
 
2013-03-21 07:19:43 PM

Lionel Mandrake: When was the last time a Republican was right about anything?


I've been asking this a lot lately hoping someone would give me a serious answer.  So far no luck
 
2013-03-21 07:23:29 PM
I never liked sales taxes.

Increasing my income tax doesn't motivate me to make less, very few people will decide to make less money under any circumstance.

Increasing my cost to buy things? I might buy less, buy less things, idk...
 
2013-03-21 07:26:18 PM

Fart_Machine: MJMaloney187: Half a billion dollars is chump change for oil and crawfish rich Louisiana. Jindal's premise is dead on right: More take home pay translates to more spending. The last time I checked, American's spend more than they earn. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Jindal isn't some huckster, he's a smart guy.

Except how much does he plan to raise the sales tax to make it "revenue neutral".


Is this like the Fairtax folks who don't realize that sales taxes would have to be near 30% in order to make it "revenue neutral"?
 
2013-03-21 07:27:55 PM
If he promises to make it illegal to price everything with $x.99 because some stupid moran thinks that it still has a psychological effect to see something sold for one cent cheaper, I'm behind him all the way.
 
2013-03-21 07:36:44 PM

Fart_Machine: MJMaloney187: Half a billion dollars is chump change for oil and crawfish rich Louisiana. Jindal's premise is dead on right: More take home pay translates to more spending. The last time I checked, American's spend more than they earn. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Jindal isn't some huckster, he's a smart guy.

Except how much does he plan to raise the sales tax to make it "revenue neutral".


That's a moot point. Jindal proposes to let you keep the money you earn, then he plans to hit your pocket book on purchases. That's the rightest way to levy taxes.

I've read the arguments that this proposal will disproportionately affect poor people. It will if they continue to spend their meager incomes on frivolous nonsense. Under Jindal's plan, the lowest earners get a 2% raise on earnings. They could easily offset the cost of increased sales taxes if they adjust their spending. The wealthiest earners will get a 6% raise, but they'll very likely spend that on goods and services.

Jindal's plan is right and forward thinking.
 
2013-03-21 07:40:29 PM

MJMaloney187: Fart_Machine: MJMaloney187: Half a billion dollars is chump change for oil and crawfish rich Louisiana. Jindal's premise is dead on right: More take home pay translates to more spending. The last time I checked, American's spend more than they earn. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Jindal isn't some huckster, he's a smart guy.

Except how much does he plan to raise the sales tax to make it "revenue neutral".

That's a moot point. Jindal proposes to let you keep the money you earn, then he plans to hit your pocket book on purchases. That's the rightest way to levy taxes.

I've read the arguments that this proposal will disproportionately affect poor people. It will if they continue to spend their meager incomes on frivolous nonsense. Under Jindal's plan, the lowest earners get a 2% raise on earnings. They could easily offset the cost of increased sales taxes if they adjust their spending. The wealthiest earners will get a 6% raise, but they'll very likely spend that on goods and services.

Jindal's plan is right and forward thinking.



Hee, well done. I'm sure you'll get some bites!
 
2013-03-21 07:44:47 PM
Tfa doesn't answer this question, so I'll ask here -- let's imagine Jindal's rejiggering the tax system were revenue neutral. So why do it? What's the purported benefit?

I think I can guess why he really wants to do this, but what's the sales pitch? Does it go beyond "We just should", or is that pretty much it? Can he point to examples where this has done wonderful things in other states?
 
2013-03-21 07:48:18 PM
Walker is talking about doing this in Wisconsin too. I am really glad I live close enough to the border with the flatlanders to do all my shopping there (except groceries).
 
2013-03-21 07:48:59 PM
Let me guess, we would also do away with taxes on inheritance and investments and large luxury items like yachts, while increasing taxes on "luxury" items like cars and fast food.
 
2013-03-21 07:56:47 PM
Sales taxes are for making money back off people who are working off the books and by definition not paying income taxes, or if applied to fuel and dedicated to roads and bridges they're an understandable way of making sure people who use the most pay the most. After that they're bullshiat.

The income tax is a preferable tax because every year you can look at your tax forms and see exactly what you made and how much you paid in income tax. Figuring out what you paid in sales taxes in any given year means keeping a shiatload of receipts.
 
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