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2013-03-21 05:28:36 PM

Rincewind53: Gohmert is a complete idiot, but the Google Rep could have explained AdSense better.


Gohmert doesn't understand that "apples and oranges" is a metaphor for two things that are different. You think he'd EVER understand what AdSense is all about?
 
2013-03-21 05:38:52 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Cyberluddite: As stupid as Gohmert comes off in this clip, it's not even on the top 100 list of stupidest things that farking moron had said.  The motherfarker is so dumb I doubt he can even tie his own shoes without help.

In other words, he's a perfect representative for his constitutents in the great state of Texas.

He has to wear loafers


i.qkme.me
 
2013-03-21 05:41:21 PM

Gyrfalcon: Rincewind53: Gohmert is a complete idiot, but the Google Rep could have explained AdSense better.

Gohmert doesn't understand that "apples and oranges" is a metaphor for two things that are different. You think he'd EVER understand what AdSense is all about?


This.  The man is an effing idiot.  More importantly, he had no interest in actually understanding what Google does, or what very real privacy concerns are associated with those practices.   He just wanted to sit there and look "tough" and talk about Benghazi and how evil the government is because Obama is in charge of it.  Oh, he asked all of his questions as though he actually understood Google's practices, even though it was very obviously that he had no idea what he was talking about.

It's a pretty good case study in how utterly worthless and stupid congress can be.  I'm pretty sure congress has devolved to the point where it's just full of hacks who loudly grandstand for their constituents, while quietly passing any meaningful legislation (without understanding what they were passing) simply because a lobbyist or their political party told them to.
 
2013-03-21 05:46:37 PM
Gohmert wonders why you shouldn't back-hack and fry the computer that hacked yours. Lawyer keeps a straight face.

http://ustre.am/_21EUj:1oJ1
 
2013-03-21 05:48:37 PM

Dinki: Silly Subby - Gohmert has no clue about anything, much less technology. He makes the Potato kid look like a farking mensa candidate. He truly is one of the most ignorant human beings on the planet.


And he clearly surrounds himself with meat-heads, judging by the guy in background, and clearly judging by that guys replacement, he likes empty-headed redheads around just in case,well  y'know...

jesus, She almost picks her nose...which would have been awesome
 
2013-03-21 05:50:51 PM
To be honest, I don't think the Congressmen from Texas came off as stupid, just a little ignorant. That said, Google DOES discriminate who they allow their information to go to. However, with the correct warrants in place, I'm sure the government could strong-arm Google into letting them get whatever information.

Google's systems scan your emails for key words then they match up people who have bought ad space from them with your email. Automated or not, they are browsing through what you've written.
 
2013-03-21 05:51:19 PM

DrD'isInfotainment: Dinki: Silly Subby - Gohmert has no clue about anything, much less technology. He makes the Potato kid look like a farking mensa candidate. He truly is one of the most ignorant human beings on the planet.

And he clearly surrounds himself with meat-heads, judging by the guy in background, and clearly judging by that guys replacement, he likes empty-headed redheads around just in case,well  y'know...

jesus, She almost picks her nose...which would have been awesome


Must have been hungry
 
2013-03-21 05:59:24 PM

goatleggedfellow: Gohmert wonders why you shouldn't back-hack and fry the computer that hacked yours. Lawyer keeps a straight face.

http://ustre.am/_21EUj:1oJ1


What a strange man. His private life must be a constant loop of old twilight zone episodes.
 
2013-03-21 06:02:33 PM

RealityChuck: He should have given an example:


That was a he?
 
2013-03-21 06:06:18 PM
HA, I've got you now!

I didnt understand a word you said...

What are you trying to HIDE?

/ Burn him! He's a WITCH!
 
2013-03-21 06:07:34 PM

Chummer45: This. The man is an effing idiot. More importantly, he had no interest in actually understanding what Google does, or what very real privacy concerns are associated with those practices. He just wanted to sit there and look "tough" and talk about Benghazi and how evil the government is because Obama is in charge of it. Oh, he asked all of his questions as though he actually understood Google's practices, even though it was very obviously that he had no idea what he was talking about.


that was the most annoying part. i don't want to know how much grandstanding goes on at those hearings.
 
2013-03-21 06:10:02 PM

Car_Ramrod: "Would you discriminate against the government, or would you allow the government to know about all emails that included those words?"

"Uh... sir, I think those are apples and oranges. I think the disclosure of the identity..."

"I'm not asking for a fruit comparison. I'm just asking would you be willing to make that deal with the government?"

Ho. Ly. Crap. This sounds like something Colbert would say.


Stupid quote of the month right there. Meme-worthy.

/I'm sorry, that's not a fruit question.
 
2013-03-21 06:10:39 PM

goatleggedfellow: Gohmert wonders why you shouldn't back-hack and fry the computer that hacked yours. Lawyer keeps a straight face.

http://ustre.am/_21EUj:1oJ1


What a farking piece of shat. This is typical of authoritarian scum. When the "well, making it legal to counter-hack someone is complicated. You don't know who is hacking you. They could be routing... For instance you think some French Company..."

Dumbarse Republican: "Why you want to protect hackers?"
 
2013-03-21 06:12:50 PM
Just think, there was a time when our representatives were voted into office because of their charisma, intelligence or diplomacy.
 
2013-03-21 06:29:08 PM
the best part is how he plans to use this to read people's emails. since emails are small, I guess he really is for small government.

also, i'm sure all the teabadgers will be delighted since they are constantly emailing about Benghazi
 
2013-03-21 06:45:33 PM
People if you know anyone who lives in his district reach out to them, make sure they go out and vote against him in the next election.  We (smart people) need to do heavy outreach in that district.  If you are a Republican even you guys shouldn't want this retard on your side.

for the record Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) is as stupid when it comes to technology, watch her try and explain IP addresses sometime.
 
2013-03-21 06:48:14 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: Google's systems scan your emails for key words then they match up people who have bought ad space from them with your email. Automated or not, they are browsing through what you've written.


This is wrong.  Nobody gets your email, it's a realtime system that matches keywords to ads.  The parser is not reading your email in the way a person would, it just finds words that match a list.
 
2013-03-21 06:57:26 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: [colecamplese.typepad.com image 456x335]

[farm1.staticflickr.com image 500x375]


that 2nd pic lol what the fark?!
 
2013-03-21 06:58:00 PM

RealityChuck: "No, senator.  Google does not work that way and it would be impossible to do what you describe."


So you would discriminate against the government?
 
2013-03-21 07:01:10 PM
Gohmert is a moron of the first order.  That said, the Google guy was doing a really bad job of explaining things.  Once he recognized Gohmert wasn't getting it, he should have used an analogy.

1870's salon:  Blacksmith gives a bartender a stack of cards and tells him to hand them out to anyone he hears talking about shoeing his horse.  Blacksmith pays bartender to do it and Blacksmith never knows what was said in the salon or who said it.

Instead, Google guy let Gohmert get away intentionally ignorant and when Gohmert makes ridiculous claims in the future, he can point to Google as the source.
 
2013-03-21 07:12:40 PM

sabreWulf07: HellRaisingHoosier: Google's systems scan your emails for key words then they match up people who have bought ad space from them with your email. Automated or not, they are browsing through what you've written.

This is wrong.  Nobody gets your email, it's a realtime system that matches keywords to ads.  The parser is not reading your email in the way a person would, it just finds words that match a list.



So you're telling me that Google is helping the government put you on a list because of what you may have said in a private email?

/Benghazi
 
2013-03-21 07:13:06 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: StreetlightInTheGhetto: [colecamplese.typepad.com image 456x335]

[farm1.staticflickr.com image 500x375]

that 2nd pic lol what the fark?!


community.us.playstation.com
 
2013-03-21 07:21:20 PM

Lord_Baull: Just think, there was a time when our representatives were voted into office because of their charisma, intelligence or diplomacy.


Those are just the ones that made it into the history books. The majority have always been crooked retards.
 
2013-03-21 07:22:36 PM

sinanju: Gohmert is a moron of the first order. That said, the Google guy was doing a really bad job of explaining things. Once he recognized Gohmert wasn't getting it, he should have used an analogy.


Like apples and oranges?
 
2013-03-21 07:24:42 PM
This is the man who can't understand continental drift, evolution or that the earth is more than 6000 years old.
I'm not exactly surprised.
 
2013-03-21 07:25:03 PM
sabreWulf07:
This is wrong.  Nobody gets your email, it's a realtime system that matches keywords to ads.  The parser is not reading your email in the way a person would, it just finds words that match a list.


I think maybe I worded it incorrectly or you are misunderstanding me. Google isn't GIVING any information, they are making a connection. They are able to make the connection because they have read/scanned/automated/browsed the content of your email box.

Yuri Futanari:
So you're telling me that Google is helping the government put you on a list because of what you may have said in a private email?

/Benghazi


I am telling you that Google has a record of EVERYTHING you have emailed or searched from their services. So if you did Google the word Benghazi, and the U.S. Government came knocking with warrants, police and guns ... that Google WOULD hand that information over.
 
2013-03-21 07:30:43 PM

impaler: sinanju: Gohmert is a moron of the first order. That said, the Google guy was doing a really bad job of explaining things. Once he recognized Gohmert wasn't getting it, he should have used an analogy.

Like apples and oranges?


I'm not asking for a fruit comparison.
 
2013-03-21 07:35:34 PM
Mr. Gohmert does not accept emails from users outside of his district. However, Mr. Gohmert is also very stupid. So the page that kicks you out is one search result above the page that lets you send an email.

Anyway: here is the email I sent this stupid, stupid man.

Mr. Gohmert,
Although not in your district, I felt your honorable person was in need of some assistance, and so I find myself assisting.
I watched, with a great deal of trepidation and no insignificant amount of indigestion, your understandable difficulties in grasping the finer points of Google's targeted email marketing. I wish to help. Here is how it functions:
1) Advertiser buys keywords
2) Advertiser creates advertisement
3) Google saves advertisement for later
4) Google finds those keywords in a user's emails and  web searches
5) Google displays saved advertisement for user
That's it. That's AdWords in five steps. It is not insidious. I hope that helps.
 
2013-03-21 07:46:22 PM
Jesus Christ! I'm 60 years old and I understand how Google Adwords works. It's not rocket science for Pete's safe!
 
2013-03-21 08:23:40 PM

gas giant: This is the man who can't understand continental drift, evolution or that the earth is more than 6000 years old.
I'm not exactly surprised.


But he does know how to appeal to Texans who want their school books turned into proselytizing and propaganda.

/surprised he isn't more computer literate, considering he's a Texas Instrument.
 
2013-03-21 08:24:03 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Mr. Gohmert does not accept emails from users outside of his district. However, Mr. Gohmert is also very stupid. So the page that kicks you out is one search result above the page that lets you send an email.

Anyway: here is the email I sent this stupid, stupid man.

Mr. Gohmert,
Although not in your district, I felt your honorable person was in need of some assistance, and so I find myself assisting.
I watched, with a great deal of trepidation and no insignificant amount of indigestion, your understandable difficulties in grasping the finer points of Google's targeted email marketing. I wish to help. Here is how it functions:
1) Advertiser buys keywords
2) Advertiser creates advertisement
3) Google saves advertisement for later
4) Google finds those keywords in a user's emails and  web searches
5) Google displays saved advertisement for user
That's it. That's AdWords in five steps. It is not insidious. I hope that helps.


You might have to explain "keyword" to him.
 
2013-03-21 08:45:46 PM
Here's a scary thought. Gohmert and Michele Bachmann producing off-spring!
 
2013-03-21 08:50:06 PM

make me some tea: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Mr. Gohmert does not accept emails from users outside of his district. However, Mr. Gohmert is also very stupid. So the page that kicks you out is one search result above the page that lets you send an email.

Anyway: here is the email I sent this stupid, stupid man.

Mr. Gohmert,
Although not in your district, I felt your honorable person was in need of some assistance, and so I find myself assisting.
I watched, with a great deal of trepidation and no insignificant amount of indigestion, your understandable difficulties in grasping the finer points of Google's targeted email marketing. I wish to help. Here is how it functions:
1) Advertiser buys keywords
2) Advertiser creates advertisement
3) Google saves advertisement for later
4) Google finds those keywords in a user's emails and  web searches
5) Google displays saved advertisement for user
That's it. That's AdWords in five steps. It is not insidious. I hope that helps.

You might have to explain "keyword" to him.


As well as "honorable," "trepidation," "indigestion," "insidious" and "assistance"
 
2013-03-21 08:59:56 PM
He took his mouth off of an oil company's CEO's dick long enough to ask a question? Shocking
 
2013-03-21 09:09:23 PM
Guys, he got it.  He knows that Google doesn't give email addresses to advertisers.  He kept cutting off pencil-neck's attempts to get that on the record.  He kept repeating his own conscious lie.
 
2013-03-21 09:25:08 PM
"Now, you send your Geek Squad cars out to ransack and loot private homes for your customers. Would you do that for the Federal Government?"

"Now, you offer murder-for-hire services for your clients. Would you do that for the Federal Government?"

"You steal babies from adoption centers and use their blood in Satanic rituals before torturing them to death for your clients. Would you offer those services to the Federal Government as well?"
 
2013-03-21 10:45:09 PM
In fairness, understanding an issue has absolutely nothing to do with the manner in which a witness is questioned. The witness was cut off numerous times before he was able to make a point explaining the congressman's (senator's?) apparent misunderstanding and was cut off each time.

I don't doubt, necessarily that Gohmert is ignorant of how web technology works, but I'm saying that knowing how it works had nothing to do with his agenda. You see, Google is either going to provide private email addresses to the government or they are going to discriminate by providing those email addresses to advertisers for a fee while not doing the same thing to the government... the latter of which can be dismissed as a lie.
 
2013-03-21 10:47:59 PM

mrshowrules: This is painful to watch.  Also the guy from Google is trying to hard to be polite.  The first couple answers should have been simply "No."

Or, "No, we don't five E-mail or any other information to other customers."

Or, "The E-mails have ads on the screen automatically triggered by words in the users E-mails."

I could be a better PR spokesman than that guy with about 30 minutes prep time.  If you want to be polite the answer is "No Congressman" or "No Sir".


That's what I thought as well. As dumb as the politician is the Google rep did not explain it clearly enough. I assume he was (a) trying to be polite and respectful and (b) was used to dealing with people who have a clue rather than having to dumb things down as if he was talking to a five year old.
 
2013-03-21 11:05:24 PM

sinanju: Gohmert is a moron of the first order.  That said, the Google guy was doing a really bad job of explaining things.  Once he recognized Gohmert wasn't getting it, he should have used an analogy.

1870's salon:  Blacksmith gives a bartender a stack of cards and tells him to hand them out to anyone he hears talking about shoeing his horse.  Blacksmith pays bartender to do it and Blacksmith never knows what was said in the salon or who said it.

Instead, Google guy let Gohmert get away intentionally ignorant and when Gohmert makes ridiculous claims in the future, he can point to Google as the source.


That's a good analogy. It also shows this is not a "high tech" concept even if the technology used to do it today is high tech.
 
2013-03-21 11:14:37 PM

theknuckler_33: In fairness, understanding an issue has absolutely nothing to do with the manner in which a witness is questioned. The witness was cut off numerous times before he was able to make a point explaining the congressman's (senator's?) apparent misunderstanding and was cut off each time.

I don't doubt, necessarily that Gohmert is ignorant of how web technology works, but I'm saying that knowing how it works had nothing to do with his agenda. You see, Google is either going to provide private email addresses to the government or they are going to discriminate by providing those email addresses to advertisers for a fee while not doing the same thing to the government... the latter of which can be dismissed as a lie.


Makes a lot of sense. Maybe this is less about his ignorance and more about him making sure he could hit all of his talking points in his allotted time.
 
2013-03-21 11:29:34 PM

goatleggedfellow: Gohmert wonders why you shouldn't back-hack and fry the computer that hacked yours. Lawyer keeps a straight face.

http://ustre.am/_21EUj:1oJ1


That man is laughable.  Just damn.  And the lady in back of him on the left is so cute to watch.  It's like watching a mother enjoying the innocent and naive ramblings of her child.
 
2013-03-21 11:56:25 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: To be honest, I don't think the Congressmen from Texas came off as stupid, just a little ignorant. That said, Google DOES discriminate who they allow their information to go to. However, with the correct warrants in place, I'm sure the government could strong-arm Google into letting them get whatever information.

Google's systems scan your emails for key words then they match up people who have bought ad space from them with your email. Automated or not, they are browsing through what you've written.


Who is this "they" you speak of?  Look, if you bought a novelty disco light that flashes and changes color based on the sounds you make near it, would you accuse "them" (the makers of said novelty disco light,) of monitoring you?
 
2013-03-22 12:22:46 AM

SisterMaryElephant: Jesus farking Christ

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I am becoming convinced that Benghazi has become a game to the republicans, like they have a bet going on to see how often they can slip it in to hearings that have nothing remotely to do with it. Kind of like the Meow in Super Troopers.
 
2013-03-22 12:42:39 AM
Give the poor guy a break.  He is both a Texan and a Conservative.  Each reduces his IQ by 50, so he starts with a 100 point deficit right out of the chute.  Good lord, we should be giving him a congratulatory clap every time he remembers to unzip before he takes a piss.
 
2013-03-22 01:13:28 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Mr. Gohmert does not accept emails from users outside of his district. However, Mr. Gohmert is also very stupid. So the page that kicks you out is one search result above the page that lets you send an email.

Anyway: here is the email I sent this stupid, stupid man.

Mr. Gohmert,
Although not in your district, I felt your honorable person was in need of some assistance, and so I find myself assisting.
I watched, with a great deal of trepidation and no insignificant amount of indigestion, your understandable difficulties in grasping the finer points of Google's targeted email marketing. I wish to help. Here is how it functions:
1) Advertiser buys keywords
2) Advertiser creates advertisement
3) Google saves advertisement for later
4) Google finds those keywords in a user's emails and  web searches
5) Google displays saved advertisement for user
That's it. That's AdWords in five steps. It is not insidious. I hope that helps.


But if the government wants to buy the emails and web searches and use them to track the people who use them, Google would sell them to the government, right? Or would they discriminate against the government, and by the way Benghazi?
 
2013-03-22 02:13:28 AM
Remember that one time some 30+ years ago ... Well *you* might not , but *I* do.
Anyway, I tried to explain to Grandpa how the barcode doesn't contain or represent the price that the supermarket scanner charges you. Unlike this congresscritter, he wasn't a total dumbass (expert cabinet maker), just that the technology in question was outside of his skill set and knowledge base.
 
2013-03-22 09:42:02 AM
I'm not sure how stupid he is or if he was just trying to make a point to his base.  He worked benghazi  in a couple of times and then he was able to state for the cameras how tech companies discriminate against the government.
 
2013-03-22 03:32:12 PM

Maud Dib: Fixed that for me.
We tend to know what technology is here in the Silicon Hills of Austin, Texas.
It's a whole 'nother country out there. A no-liquor, God-fearing, retarded cousin-farking country.
We might as well give it to Louisiana or Arkansas.


Doing that would certainly raise the IQs of both states.
 
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