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2013-03-21 05:04:49 PM  
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2013-03-21 05:05:00 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: sure, the Tohono O'odham Nation of Arizona were the first to ever be in Arizona.

I think the Apaches would like to have a word with them.

Sure, that was the point she was making.

I was being sarcastic with my Weeners.

Looks like you don't know about the Apache/Tohono fighting.


I'll thank you to keep your weener to yourself.
 
2013-03-21 05:06:09 PM  

jim32rr: [struckbyenlightning.files.wordpress.com image 310x266]


Run out of marinara sauce?
 
2013-03-21 05:07:52 PM  
tenpoundsofcheese (farkied: It ain't cheese): I was being sarcastic with my Weeners.

Objection, Your Honor.  Assumes organs not in evidence.
 
2013-03-21 05:09:20 PM  

FLMountainMan: what_now: Flint Ironstag: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

True. They came over the then connected Bering Straight and killed off the previous peoples. They did exactly what the Europeans did to them.

There is no evidence that there were settled peoples in the US before the natives crossed the Bering straight.

People frequently ignore science when it's inconvenient.  Refreshing to see a non-Republican do it.


SO.. you have some evidence that the US was settled before the nomadic tribes crossed the Bering Straight? I'd love to see it. A lot of people would.
 
2013-03-21 05:10:02 PM  

what_now: Flint Ironstag: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

True. They came over the then connected Bering Straight and killed off the previous peoples. They did exactly what the Europeans did to them.

There is no evidence that there were settled peoples in the US before the natives crossed the Bering straight.


Have you heard of the Kennewick Man? He's an 8000 year old skeleton found in Washington State.  His remains caused an uproar in the Native American community because he was found to not be related to any of the modern native tribes through DNA.  Very interesting findings!
 
2013-03-21 05:10:42 PM  
Stop playing the victim and join modern society.

Isn't it weird that when a no-name poster crawls out of the septic tank of the internet to grace us with this kind of content, I don't recognize them at all but I already have them on ignore?
 
2013-03-21 05:10:53 PM  
Well in the end folks with DNA of native peoples are taking over via demographic trends which in turn gives them political capital. So much capital that a bunch of Bill The Butcher wannabes are about to rend apart one of our two major political parties in order to futilely oppose them.
 
2013-03-21 05:11:51 PM  

raerae1980: what_now: Flint Ironstag: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

True. They came over the then connected Bering Straight and killed off the previous peoples. They did exactly what the Europeans did to them.

There is no evidence that there were settled peoples in the US before the natives crossed the Bering straight.

Have you heard of the Kennewick Man? He's an 8000 year old skeleton found in Washington State.  His remains caused an uproar in the Native American community because he was found to not be related to any of the modern native tribes through DNA.  Very interesting findings!


Turns out that was just Patrick Stewart havin' a laugh

www.greatarchaeology.com
 
2013-03-21 05:11:54 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Everybody came from somewhere else.

A bigger stronger force came in and took the Indian's land. It's happened since the dawn of man, it will continue long after we're all gone.


ha-ha-guy: Considering there were multiple waves of migration across the land bridge, according to most theories at least, the Indian tribes who were here when Columbus showed up were just those whose ancestors won out during that land grab, not necessarily the first.


Eddie Adams from Torrance: mitchcumstein1: Everybody came from somewhere else.

A bigger stronger force came in and took the Indian's land. It's happened since the dawn of man, it will continue long after we're all gone.

We didn't take their land. There was lots of land here and nobody was using it. There were no farms, towns, or cities.


Actually according to Canadian and American law, in the Royal Poclamation of 1763, it was clearly stated out which lines were american and canadian and which were each sovereign tribes own land, and that the only way european settlers could live on first nation tribal land was by being purchased by the crown.  Because that never happened the law was broken.  The mere fact treaties are made proves Tribes were nations.  In other words, each tribe or band is a sovereign nation much like Canada or US is, to break those treaties are similar to breaking treaties with Russia or China.

This isn't just a moral issue, it's a legal one, and it's one Canada's currently starting to lose in court, there's actually been a few cases were Aboriginal's couldn't be prosecuted by Canadian judges due to International Law.  It's that serious.
 
2013-03-21 05:15:20 PM  

Jackson Herring: Stop playing the victim and join modern society.

Isn't it weird that when a no-name poster crawls out of the septic tank of the internet to grace us with this kind of content, I don't recognize them at all but I already have them on ignore?


But if you use ignore, you end up in the FARK echo chamber.  Or something.  PAY ATTENTION TO MY ALT!!!
 
2013-03-21 05:17:46 PM  

born_yesterday: But if you use ignore, you end up in the FARK echo chamber.  Or something.  PAY ATTENTION TO MY ALT!!!


"ignore is for the weak" said every widely ignored fark poster ever
 
2013-03-21 05:19:23 PM  

FLMountainMan: jim32rr: [struckbyenlightning.files.wordpress.com image 310x266]

Run out of marinara sauce?


Firewater
 
2013-03-21 05:19:50 PM  

raerae1980: what_now: Flint Ironstag: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

True. They came over the then connected Bering Straight and killed off the previous peoples. They did exactly what the Europeans did to them.

There is no evidence that there were settled peoples in the US before the natives crossed the Bering straight.

Have you heard of the Kennewick Man? He's an 8000 year old skeleton found in Washington State.  His remains caused an uproar in the Native American community because he was found to not be related to any of the modern native tribes through DNA.  Very interesting findings!


Yes, but there's no evidence this guy DIDN'T come over across the Berring Straight.
 
2013-03-21 05:20:45 PM  
So what she's saying is it's ok to call children who were born in the US illegal immigrants if they had parents who were illegal.
 
2013-03-21 05:21:13 PM  

what_now: When did your people get here?


In the 1630s.  Well documented, too.
 
m00
2013-03-21 05:21:16 PM  

DamnYankees: Flint Ironstag: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

True. They came over the then connected Bering Straight and killed off the previous peoples. They did exactly what the Europeans did to them.

What previous peoples?


Aboriginal Americans, whatever you want to call them. Apparently, Native Americans we know today are the "second wave" and there were people already here from the "first wave." But we're unclear where the first wave came from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas

There was a good TV special on it produced by the BBC a few years back, don't remember the name. But apparently they basically got pushed down to the tip of south america from the people coming across the bering land bridge
 
2013-03-21 05:21:19 PM  

netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.


You're not an immigrant when no one is there before you.
 
2013-03-21 05:22:21 PM  

raerae1980: what_now: Flint Ironstag: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

True. They came over the then connected Bering Straight and killed off the previous peoples. They did exactly what the Europeans did to them.

There is no evidence that there were settled peoples in the US before the natives crossed the Bering straight.

Have you heard of the Kennewick Man? He's an 8000 year old skeleton found in Washington State.  His remains caused an uproar in the Native American community because he was found to not be related to any of the modern native tribes through DNA.  Very interesting findings!


Has it been proven that he wasn't a time-traveler?
 
2013-03-21 05:22:26 PM  
static.prtst.net
 
2013-03-21 05:23:03 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: raerae1980: what_now: Flint Ironstag: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

True. They came over the then connected Bering Straight and killed off the previous peoples. They did exactly what the Europeans did to them.

There is no evidence that there were settled peoples in the US before the natives crossed the Bering straight.

Have you heard of the Kennewick Man? He's an 8000 year old skeleton found in Washington State.  His remains caused an uproar in the Native American community because he was found to not be related to any of the modern native tribes through DNA.  Very interesting findings!

Has it been proven that he wasn't a time-traveler?


OH MY GOD HOW MANY HEARTS DOES HE HAVE???
 
m00
2013-03-21 05:23:13 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I was being sarcastic with my Weeners.


Better than being ironic with your boobies
 
2013-03-21 05:23:59 PM  

m00: DamnYankees: Flint Ironstag: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

True. They came over the then connected Bering Straight and killed off the previous peoples. They did exactly what the Europeans did to them.

What previous peoples?

Aboriginal Americans, whatever you want to call them. Apparently, Native Americans we know today are the "second wave" and there were people already here from the "first wave." But we're unclear where the first wave came from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas

There was a good TV special on it produced by the BBC a few years back, don't remember the name. But apparently they basically got pushed down to the tip of south america from the people coming across the bering land bridge


There is some evidence it was the pacific islanders
 
2013-03-21 05:25:16 PM  

raerae1980: what_now: Flint Ironstag: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

True. They came over the then connected Bering Straight and killed off the previous peoples. They did exactly what the Europeans did to them.

There is no evidence that there were settled peoples in the US before the natives crossed the Bering straight.

Have you heard of the Kennewick Man? He's an 8000 year old skeleton found in Washington State.  His remains caused an uproar in the Native American community because he was found to not be related to any of the modern native tribes through DNA.  Very interesting findings!


I think the issue here confusing a lot of Farkers is that there were several waves of immigration across the Bering Land/Ice Bridge when it existed; modern Native Americans living in the US are thought to be descended from a later (obviously pre-Columbian) immigration; if I recall correctly Latin/South American natives are theorized to be descended from a wave even earlier than those living farther North (I'm fuzzy on how many mass migrations there is evidence for total). Kennewick threw everyone for a loop but not appearing to have been descended from either.
 
2013-03-21 05:26:40 PM  
Did he leave them red-faced?
 
2013-03-21 05:26:42 PM  

Mrbogey: Should we have the same immigration policies that failed the Native Americans?


They had solid policies, just not the ability to enforce them.
 
2013-03-21 05:27:16 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: So what she's saying is it's ok to call children who were born in the US illegal immigrants if they had parents who were illegal.


As an anchor baby myself I can tell you that there are people who believe that. The fact that I'm white as the Norwegian snow simultaneously confuses and enrages those sorts. Sadly, I don't even tan so I can't put their minds at ease by being a brown person.

/mom's legal now, thankyouverymuch
 
2013-03-21 05:27:46 PM  

netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.


I don't believe that. I think you're just trying to be clever. Nobody thinks of Native Americans as immigrants, because that's ridiculously dumb.
 
2013-03-21 05:28:03 PM  
Okay, that's funny.
 
2013-03-21 05:28:20 PM  
So according to this thread, if Mexicans would just come over the boarder and start murdering people and then claim their land, it'd be totally OK. Got it
 
2013-03-21 05:30:44 PM  

m00: DamnYankees: Flint Ironstag: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

True. They came over the then connected Bering Straight and killed off the previous peoples. They did exactly what the Europeans did to them.

What previous peoples?

Aboriginal Americans, whatever you want to call them. Apparently, Native Americans we know today are the "second wave" and there were people already here from the "first wave." But we're unclear where the first wave came from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas

There was a good TV special on it produced by the BBC a few years back, don't remember the name. But apparently they basically got pushed down to the tip of south america from the people coming across the bering land bridge


If those theories are correct, then the "first wave" got a far better deal than the second got - peace treaties, massacres, more peace treaties, massacres...then eventually broken up, isolated and given limited rights inside their enclaves.

Guess when Native Americans in general were given full citizenship rights? 1940. There was a 1924 act that was only effective for those born after a certain date. Otherwise, they had to earn citizenship via serving in the military, severing tribal ties, etc.
 
2013-03-21 05:33:09 PM  

Happy Hours: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

Where's the Smart button when I need it?

Stupid rhetoric is stupid

Sorry Indians. We've massacred you, we've romanticized you and we've also labeled you as savages.

Stop playing the victim and join modern society.


Just as soon as the US Government pays full restitution for everything they've done in order to wipe them out.
 
m00
2013-03-21 05:34:44 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: f those theories are correct, then the "first wave" got a far better deal than the second got


Well, they're not around anymore. So no, I don't call being extinct a better deal. I remember from the BBC program that they found remains in caves down at the tip of south americans, and they weren't from any mesoamerican culture. They looked more like the Australian aboringals.
 
2013-03-21 05:36:51 PM  

joonyer: What a big, strong keyboard warrior you are! Hey everyone! Look at the courage on THIS one!


The last time I ran into an Indian - the feather kind, you know, the North American Indian kind - he asked me if I knew were there was a bar close by

True (not cool) story bro'
 
2013-03-21 05:36:52 PM  

Rwa2play: Happy Hours: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

Where's the Smart button when I need it?

Stupid rhetoric is stupid

Sorry Indians. We've massacred you, we've romanticized you and we've also labeled you as savages.

Stop playing the victim and join modern society.

Just as soon as the US Government pays full restitution for everything they've done in order to wipe them out.


We should pay them off, they are not making much progress with the monthly payments from Uncle Sam
 
2013-03-21 05:37:43 PM  

raerae1980: what_now: Flint Ironstag: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

True. They came over the then connected Bering Straight and killed off the previous peoples. They did exactly what the Europeans did to them.

There is no evidence that there were settled peoples in the US before the natives crossed the Bering straight.

Have you heard of the Kennewick Man? He's an 8000 year old skeleton found in Washington State.  His remains caused an uproar in the Native American community because he was found to not be related to any of the modern native tribes through DNA.  Very interesting findings!


from wikipedia: One of the most complete ancient skeletons ever found, bone tests have shown the skeleton to be 8410 +/- 60 B.P. (UCR 3476) (ca 7300 to 7600 B.C.) These findings triggered a nine-year legal clash between scientists, the American government and Native American tribes who claim Kennewick Man as their ancestors. The long dispute has made him an international celebrity.

oh snap. suck it, "natives".

/never had "white guilt"
//usa has done way more for the world than natives would have.
///admittedly way more harm too, but i digress.
//cant we all just get along?
 
2013-03-21 05:37:59 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: raerae1980: what_now: Flint Ironstag: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

True. They came over the then connected Bering Straight and killed off the previous peoples. They did exactly what the Europeans did to them.

There is no evidence that there were settled peoples in the US before the natives crossed the Bering straight.

Have you heard of the Kennewick Man? He's an 8000 year old skeleton found in Washington State.  His remains caused an uproar in the Native American community because he was found to not be related to any of the modern native tribes through DNA.  Very interesting findings!

Turns out that was just Patrick Stewart havin' a laugh

[www.greatarchaeology.com image 207x267]


I blame the radiation from Hanford causing the radio carbon dating to be FUBAR.

//lives near Hanford
 
2013-03-21 05:40:01 PM  

netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.


Might be a hard-sell to Kansas lawmakers who believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

/whar landbridge whar?
 
2013-03-21 05:40:14 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: raerae1980: what_now: Flint Ironstag: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

True. They came over the then connected Bering Straight and killed off the previous peoples. They did exactly what the Europeans did to them.

There is no evidence that there were settled peoples in the US before the natives crossed the Bering straight.

Have you heard of the Kennewick Man? He's an 8000 year old skeleton found in Washington State.  His remains caused an uproar in the Native American community because he was found to not be related to any of the modern native tribes through DNA.  Very interesting findings!

from wikipedia: One of the most complete ancient skeletons ever found, bone tests have shown the skeleton to be 8410 +/- 60 B.P. (UCR 3476) (ca 7300 to 7600 B.C.) These findings triggered a nine-year legal clash between scientists, the American government and Native American tribes who claim Kennewick Man as their ancestors. The long dispute has made him an international celebrity.

oh snap. suck it, "natives".

/never had "white guilt"
//usa has done way more for the world than natives would have.
///admittedly way more harm too, but i digress.
//cant we all just get along?


Actually the Kennewick man seems still the subject of debate in the scientific community. If he is in fact Polynesian, it would support my theory that people got around in ancient times a lot more than we think, they just left little to no trace of their voyages.

/the Solutrean hypothesis is interesting too, though I have my doubts on that one
//We're ALL people. It's 2013 over here.
///Peace and love to all people who return that favor
 
2013-03-21 05:42:10 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: //cant we all just get along?


Dr. Goldshnoz: suck it, "natives".


suck it, "you"
 
2013-03-21 05:43:43 PM  

nekom: /the Solutrean hypothesis is interesting too, though I have my doubts on that one


The theory that Don Cornelius is the father of humanity?
 
2013-03-21 05:43:53 PM  
Citing the experience of Native Americans re: whites isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of loose immigration policy...
 
2013-03-21 05:44:20 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: They had solid policies, just not the ability to enforce them.


They had the ability, for a very long time. But they just couldn't get enough of those European goods and were more interested using their guns and horses to fight other tribes.
 
2013-03-21 05:44:50 PM  

Jackson Herring: Dr. Goldshnoz: //cant we all just get along?

Dr. Goldshnoz: suck it, "natives".

suck it, "you"


now now, don't get all red faced with anger. here; have a drink and chill out my friend.

intoxicology101.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-21 05:46:14 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: Crotchrocket Slim: They had solid policies, just not the ability to enforce them.

They had the ability, for a very long time. But they just couldn't get enough of those European goods and were more interested using their guns and horses to fight other tribes.


Actually plagues took care of most of them.
 
2013-03-21 05:48:14 PM  
oh yeah, i'm mad, not the guy who actually typed the phrase "never had 'white guilt'"
 
2013-03-21 05:49:23 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: raerae1980: what_now: Flint Ironstag: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

True. They came over the then connected Bering Straight and killed off the previous peoples. They did exactly what the Europeans did to them.

There is no evidence that there were settled peoples in the US before the natives crossed the Bering straight.

Have you heard of the Kennewick Man? He's an 8000 year old skeleton found in Washington State.  His remains caused an uproar in the Native American community because he was found to not be related to any of the modern native tribes through DNA.  Very interesting findings!

I think the issue here confusing a lot of Farkers is that there were several waves of immigration across the Bering Land/Ice Bridge when it existed; modern Native Americans living in the US are thought to be descended from a later (obviously pre-Columbian) immigration; if I recall correctly Latin/South American natives are theorized to be descended from a wave even earlier than those living farther North (I'm fuzzy on how many mass migrations there is evidence for total). Kennewick threw everyone for a loop but not appearing to have been descended from either.


I thought the current understanding was the "first wave" of immigration circumnavigated both North and South America (ie the land was settled by moving down the Pacific coast then later up the Atlantic) while older settled populations moved inwards. The "second wave" was the later arrival of the peoples of the arctic circle. Interestingly this would make native groups on the Pacific more closely related to South American native groups (the ones who remain non-assimilated that is) than native groups on the other side of the US.
 
2013-03-21 05:50:42 PM  

Jackson Herring: oh yeah, i'm mad, not the guy who actually typed the phrase "never had 'white guilt'"


lol'd.
 
2013-03-21 06:05:18 PM  

Fart_Machine: netizencain: Funny, I consider NA's immigrants as well.

Might be a hard-sell to Kansas lawmakers who believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

/whar landbridge whar?


Actually, there is a YEC theory on continental drift, the land bridge and all that "Satanic" scientifical stuff that would dare suggest the world is older than 6,000-8,000 years old. I forget the author's name, but it took him somewhere around 1,000 pages to say "God did it" and that it had something to do with receding water after the flood. I blame my lack of respect for anyone with the title/s "Dr Rev" in front of their name and my inability to focus on anything for more than a few minutes on that book and the brain cells it killed with its vast amounts of WTF.
 
2013-03-21 06:12:21 PM  

NostroZ: [www.politifake.org image 640x703]


God told the white man to kill off the native savages.

Who should we trust, again?
 
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