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2013-03-21 01:26:24 PM  

EyeballKid: tollbooth_willy: EyeballKid: [flamesnation.ca image 500x500]
Congratulations to the midmajor schools. Now get out.

How's the SEC been doing so far this postseason?

They'd do better than the jobber schools are about to do.


ROFL.  Robert Morris and Mercer beg to differ.
 
2013-03-21 01:26:38 PM  
the tourney hasn't been all that exciting the last fwe years....relatively "chalk" (although I hate that term), not a lot of buzzer beaters and few upsets.  butler/duke was what, 4 years ago?

i forget who my four was.  sparty, marquette, zona, and i think florida.  who knows.
 
2013-03-21 01:28:17 PM  
So far I'm winning in my pool!!!
 
2013-03-21 01:31:12 PM  
CBS does know that everyone calls this the first round, right?
 
2013-03-21 01:31:13 PM  
I have Final Four tickets this year, I hope U of L makes it or else that trip down there and time off is going to feel pretty pointless.


/UK fan
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2013-03-21 01:32:48 PM  
Hey, Kentucky got a #1 seed, what's all the fuss about?
 
2013-03-21 01:34:54 PM  

thecpt: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Michigan State seems underseeded as a #2 seed.  That bracket is rough.

They're a 3, but yeeeeaaaahhh sure Gonzaga totally earned a #1.


meh.  #1, #2.  I know 2's have lost to 15's in the past, but after the first round seedings don't mean much.  Gonzaga had a gaudy record, had some wins(mostly on neutral courts) against teams from major conferences, and finagled its way to a #1 seed .  I think they're overrated as well and don't think they'll make the final four, but I can see why the committee gave it to them.  No reason to get upset.
 
2013-03-21 01:34:55 PM  

tollbooth_willy: ROFL. Robert Morris and Mercer beg to differ


Hell, the school from Robert Morris' conference in the tournament didn't even beat one of the other 16 seed jobbers.
 
2013-03-21 01:35:11 PM  

Phoenix222: CBS does know that everyone calls this the first round, right?


It's one of those college basketball things, like pretendings Calipari isn't as crooked as a the day is long and ignoring North Carolina phantom class violations.
 
2013-03-21 01:37:15 PM  

rickythepenguin: the tourney hasn't been all that exciting the last fwe years....relatively "chalk" (although I hate that term), not a lot of buzzer beaters and few upsets.  butler/duke was what, 4 years ago?

i forget who my four was.  sparty, marquette, zona, and i think florida.  who knows.


Which tournament have you been watching?  Two years ago had Butler as an 8-seed and VCU as an 11-seed in the Final Four.
 
2013-03-21 01:37:16 PM  

yelmrog: but I can see why the committee gave it to them.  No reason to get upset.


fair enough.  and their appraisal of the SEC has been spot on.  (remember we're allowed to pile it on them because they don't care)
 
2013-03-21 01:37:19 PM  
I'm getting tired of the guy from Michigan St. who yells "and one" after every basket.
 
2013-03-21 01:37:58 PM  
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2013-03-21 01:38:48 PM  

GQueue: tollbooth_willy: ROFL. Robert Morris and Mercer beg to differ

Hell, the school from Robert Morris' conference in the tournament didn't even beat one of the other 16 seed jobbers.


Not saying RMU deserved in the tourney.  At all.  It's just fun to point out how horrible the SEC was in hoops this year.
 
2013-03-21 01:44:01 PM  

yelmrog: thecpt: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Michigan State seems underseeded as a #2 seed.  That bracket is rough.

They're a 3, but yeeeeaaaahhh sure Gonzaga totally earned a #1.

meh.  #1, #2.  I know 2's have lost to 15's in the past, but after the first round seedings don't mean much.  Gonzaga had a gaudy record, had some wins(mostly on neutral courts) against teams from major conferences, and finagled its way to a #1 seed .  I think they're overrated as well and don't think they'll make the final four, but I can see why the committee gave it to them.  No reason to get upset.


Gonzaga has a tough bracket. I doubt they will get past the semis.
 
2013-03-21 01:44:11 PM  

rugman11: Which tournament have you been watching? Two years ago had Butler as an 8-seed and VCU as an 11-seed in the Final Four.



no shiat.  i don't remember that.  haven't been really watching the tourney the last few years, other than the ARizona game(s) or the championship game.  march madness just isn't the same for me anymore.
 
2013-03-21 01:44:56 PM  
The 3 seeds look really strong this year. MSU, Florida and New Mexico are all legit Final Four contenders (not sold on Marquette yet). Whereas for the 2 seeds it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Miami and Georgetown get bumped in the 2nd round.
 
2013-03-21 01:46:34 PM  

rickythepenguin: rugman11: Which tournament have you been watching? Two years ago had Butler as an 8-seed and VCU as an 11-seed in the Final Four.


no shiat.  i don't remember that.  haven't been really watching the tourney the last few years, other than the ARizona game(s) or the championship game.  march madness just isn't the same for me anymore.


Butler played in the Championship game two years in a row as a lower seed.
 
2013-03-21 01:48:33 PM  

ongbok: Gonzaga has a tough bracket. I doubt they will get past the semis.


What? Facing Santa Clara, San Diego, and San Francisco didn't prepare them?
 
2013-03-21 01:50:25 PM  
Well, these games stank.
 
2013-03-21 01:51:32 PM  

Phoenix222: CBS does know that everyone calls this the first round, right?


Not if they want to keep the NCAA tournament on their network.  I'll bet it's in the contract too.  Same with ESPN who's carrying the women's tourney.

But it doesn't stop the rest of us from calling the emperor naked.  Yes, this is the first round.
 
2013-03-21 01:53:49 PM  

I_C_Weener: rickythepenguin: rugman11: Which tournament have you been watching? Two years ago had Butler as an 8-seed and VCU as an 11-seed in the Final Four.


no shiat.  i don't remember that.  haven't been really watching the tourney the last few years, other than the ARizona game(s) or the championship game.  march madness just isn't the same for me anymore.

Butler played in the Championship game two years in a row as a lower seed.


They were a 5-seed in 2010, so that wasn't as much of a shock.  But if you didn't follow those years, I can see how you'd think it's been boring.  No other team seeded lower than 5th made it in 2007, 08, 09, and 12 and those three consecutive years didn't have anybody lower than 3rd, including 2008 which had all four #1s.
 
2013-03-21 01:54:25 PM  

EyeballKid: ongbok: Gonzaga has a tough bracket. I doubt they will get past the semis.

What? Facing Santa Clara, San Diego, and San Francisco didn't prepare them?


Gonzaga will be helped if Wichita State beats Pittsburgh right now. Not that Pitt is that much better (it's an 8-9 game for a reason), but Pitt has the type of physical personnel that has given the 'Zags some trouble this year.
 
2013-03-21 01:54:33 PM  
Wait a tick, Bucknell not ready to go on the cart yet.
 
2013-03-21 01:55:19 PM  

ongbok: yelmrog: thecpt: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Michigan State seems underseeded as a #2 seed.  That bracket is rough.

They're a 3, but yeeeeaaaahhh sure Gonzaga totally earned a #1.

meh.  #1, #2.  I know 2's have lost to 15's in the past, but after the first round seedings don't mean much.  Gonzaga had a gaudy record, had some wins(mostly on neutral courts) against teams from major conferences, and finagled its way to a #1 seed .  I think they're overrated as well and don't think they'll make the final four, but I can see why the committee gave it to them.  No reason to get upset.

Gonzaga has a tough bracket. I doubt they will get past the semis.


I think they'll crack under the pressure.  Playing the part of plucky underdog is one thing, but being Goliath is something entirely different, especially when your guards look like high school freshmen.  Could see them going out in the 2nd round, and if not then, the sweet sixteen.
 
2013-03-21 01:56:05 PM  
http://www.grantland.com/live

Simmons, House, Jalen Rose, and one of the other Grantland writers sitting around talking about the current games and basketball in general.
 
2013-03-21 01:57:36 PM  
Oh good lord:

"Wichita State is not intimidated by this Big East team..."

It's not 1985 anymore, announcers.
 
2013-03-21 01:58:02 PM  

robsul82: Simmons, House, Jalen Rose, and one of the other Grantland writers sitting around talking about the current games and basketball in general.


please tell me Klosterman is in there.  4 minute run-on questions, every other word being "subjective" or "objective", and then wrapped up with an awkward non sequitur analogy to Van Halen circa 1983.
 
2013-03-21 01:58:39 PM  

rickythepenguin: robsul82: Simmons, House, Jalen Rose, and one of the other Grantland writers sitting around talking about the current games and basketball in general.

please tell me Klosterman is in there.  4 minute run-on questions, every other word being "subjective" or "objective", and then wrapped up with an awkward non sequitur analogy to Van Halen circa 1983.


LOL, God, if only Klosterman was there.
 
2013-03-21 01:59:16 PM  

jayhawk88: "Wichita State is not intimidated by this Big East team..."



god i was so sick of all the big east fellating / handwringing.  you would have thought the game of basketball itself was being outlawed.
 
2013-03-21 02:00:37 PM  

Phoenix222: CBS does know that everyone calls this the first round, right?


Get used to it, the tourney is only going to get bigger. The next generation will only hear stories about a 64 team tournament while they watch the first round game between a #1 seed and a #32 seed. Originally a first round win meant you qualified for the Final Four.

And then in January they'll also get to enjoy watching Alabama take on Western Kentucky in the 32 team football playoff.
 
2013-03-21 02:02:17 PM  

No Line For Beer: Phoenix222: CBS does know that everyone calls this the first round, right?

Not if they want to keep the NCAA tournament on their network.  I'll bet it's in the contract too.  Same with ESPN who's carrying the women's tourney.

But it doesn't stop the rest of us from calling the emperor naked.  Yes, this is the first round.


I bet that changes soon.  With the Catholic 7 splitting off from the Big East, they're going to add a new automatic bid.  The NCAA is loathe to decrease the number of at-large bids, so we're going to see at least two more teams added next year unless conference realignment ends up eliminating a conference (which is totally possible since the Catholic 7 are going to take Creighton, Butler, and Xavier as well).  Most likely, they'll expand to a 16-team play-in round within a few years.  At that point, I think "First Round" will be a legitimate title.
 
2013-03-21 02:02:31 PM  
mitchcumstein1:
I'm fairly certain Milan was either runner up, or in the final four the previous year. They were legit.

Yeah they made the Final Four the season before. However, Butler has a history of advancing to the Sweet Sixteen which would be the equivalent of winning the regional in the old single class tourney. The 52-53 team won the school's first regional title. And unlike Butler, Milan has actually won something.
 
2013-03-21 02:02:57 PM  
Butler-Bucknell is suddenly turning into a good game.
 
2013-03-21 02:03:20 PM  
Butler-Bucknell have been stuck at 29-26 for like 7 minutes, lol.
 
2013-03-21 02:03:45 PM  
I have no idea what's going on with this sport, so I just used Nate Silver's odds and built my bracket that way. We'll see if he's as good at basketball as he is with baseball. And politics...
 
2013-03-21 02:05:33 PM  
Bucknell cuts it to 1, 12:20 to go.
 
2013-03-21 02:05:42 PM  

robsul82: LOL, God, if only Klosterman was there.



"OK, so, ok, if you accept, ok, that Kentucky's 'one and done' is bad for NCAA, then, objectively, ok, the question must be asked, can we even subjectively evaluate, from an objective standpoint, ok, whether that says more about how the NCAA polices basketball in conjunction with the NBA's age limit, versus, ok, how the NCAA police football in conjunction with the NFL draft, ok?  I mean, objectively, can we even devise the subjective metric to create, ok, a data set that accounts for the selection bias but that recognizes that we wouldn't care about the 'one and done', ok, if they didn't win the championship?  i mean, objectively, bill, would you care if Anthony Davis was a one and done if he never won?  Or, can we subjectively even be objective about he subjective objectivity, ok, of kentucky getting blue chip athletes?  i mean, ok, if David Lee Roth never leaves Van Halen, ok, then, is that not ab initio indicative of how dynasties should form, ok?  and if so, doesn't that force the conclusion, ok, that one-and-dones in themselves, are not dynastic if not in form but effect?"
 
2013-03-21 02:05:54 PM  
Wonder if there's any very nervous compliance officers at Wichita State right now after that sideline reporters story about Armstead's "job" at at a local car dealership?
 
2013-03-21 02:06:12 PM  
Bucknell leads!
 
2013-03-21 02:06:20 PM  
Does Butler seem to be panicking a little bit?
 
2013-03-21 02:06:59 PM  
3ball!  35-31 Bucknell, 10:56 left to play.
 
2013-03-21 02:07:37 PM  

rickythepenguin: robsul82: LOL, God, if only Klosterman was there.


"OK, so, ok, if you accept, ok, that Kentucky's 'one and done' is bad for NCAA, then, objectively, ok, the question must be asked, can we even subjectively evaluate, from an objective standpoint, ok, whether that says more about how the NCAA polices basketball in conjunction with the NBA's age limit, versus, ok, how the NCAA police football in conjunction with the NFL draft, ok?  I mean, objectively, can we even devise the subjective metric to create, ok, a data set that accounts for the selection bias but that recognizes that we wouldn't care about the 'one and done', ok, if they didn't win the championship?  i mean, objectively, bill, would you care if Anthony Davis was a one and done if he never won?  Or, can we subjectively even be objective about he subjective objectivity, ok, of kentucky getting blue chip athletes?  i mean, ok, if David Lee Roth never leaves Van Halen, ok, then, is that not ab initio indicative of how dynasties should form, ok?  and if so, doesn't that force the conclusion, ok, that one-and-dones in themselves, are not dynastic if not in form but effect?"


Hahahahaha, +eleventy
 
2013-03-21 02:08:07 PM  

jayhawk88: Wonder if there's any very nervous compliance officers at Wichita State right now after that sideline reporters story about Armstead's "job" at at a local car dealership?


I had the exact same thought. Maybe Bob Stoops has some insight on the positivity of car lot jobs for college athletes.
 
2013-03-21 02:08:24 PM  

robsul82: 3ball!  35-31 Bucknell, 10:56 left to play.


All the sudden this game is exciting!
 
2013-03-21 02:09:14 PM  
Simmons and Friends should notice that Bucknell has suddenly turned scorching and leads by 6.
 
2013-03-21 02:09:17 PM  

robsul82: 3ball!  35-31 Bucknell, 10:56 left to play.


that score means it's probably only the first half. no biggee....WHUH
 
2013-03-21 02:10:10 PM  

thecpt: that score means it's probably only the first half. no biggee....WHUH


Midmajors basketball: It's TIME-KILLING!
 
2013-03-21 02:11:14 PM  
Tobias Beecher was one of the headbanger guys in Wayne's World, that's always fun to rediscover when it pops up.
 
2013-03-21 02:11:15 PM  

Supes: Butler-Bucknell is suddenly turning into a good game.


I had Bucknell until I read Bill Connelly's article about upset factors and Bucknell didn't have many.  Starting to regret that switch.
 
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