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2013-03-21 07:11:43 PM

Oldiron_79: HalfOffOffer: [imgc.allpostersimages.com image 473x355]

Maybe it's time to start doing this again

Hanging? that's way too humane. I say they should dig up zombie Torquemada and go full inquisition on their asses.


Not necessarily hanging... but public execution.  Seems to me that if people like this were ended in public it might be more of a deterrent to others.  Heads on stakes seems effective... gives the general ambience of 'we don't put up with no sh*t'
 
2013-03-21 07:21:25 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Anyone else find it odd that there are a lot of people here who will read about someone planning some sick torture, then come here to plan the sick torture they would like to see performed on the criminal? Some of the crap in this thread is approaching the sick shiat in TFA, and it's being imagined by folks who I'm sure consider themselves to be sane and moral.


You have a good point, but I regret nothing. I wouldn't be doing it to innocent humans. They'd have it coming.
 
2013-03-21 07:22:01 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Random Anonymous Blackmail: BraveNewCheneyWorld


Isn't there a background check on people who start daycare businesses? Someone who thinks like this has to have a criminal history

One would think but it is not like you go from shoplifting to embezzlement and off to kiddy diddler.

Don't you need a spotless record to be a bank teller?  Why should this be any less stringent?   Checking a criminal record isn't about the specific crimes, but rather the character of the individual.


To work in a bank, you need no convictions for crimes involving dishonesty.  Child molesters are welcome to apply.
 
2013-03-21 07:25:27 PM

Insatiable Jesus: whither_apophis: A decent example of vertical integration right there.

LMAO, considering this blurb from some weird company he apparently works for:

"Bébars Baslan
A tenacious problem-solver skilled at integrating diverse systems and processes, and developing rapid solutions in meeting business challenges..."

http://www.infinitelykreative.com/BebarsBaslan.html

And his own website:
http://www.baslan.com/


Oh, I love his last update:

Dear Visitor,

Welcome back to baslan.com.

We hope that you will pardon our offline time as we're updating the site. Please note that we are going to be adding much more content about our services in the next few days.

Thank you,
Bébars Baslan

I think the MSM has you covered, pal.
 
2013-03-21 07:27:00 PM
Damn, people are getting creative in this thread!

Kinda puts me off my popcorn.
 
2013-03-21 07:30:31 PM

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 540x839]

And now we cut live to the new POPE, where he affirms his belief that gays adopting children is CHILD ABUSE.


i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-21 07:58:12 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Lionel Mandrake: Anyone else find it odd that there are a lot of people who take what they read on FARK seriously?

Oh, I'm not taking anything seriously, at least not in the sense that I think anyone here has the guts to follow through on anything. I still think it takes a sick mind to even think up some of the "punishments" you see here, and I still find it odd that the people coming up with the torture don't seem to see irony in raging against sickness by coming up with sick shiat.


So, in otherwords, a moral panic?
 
2013-03-21 08:02:01 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Random Anonymous Blackmail: BraveNewCheneyWorld


Isn't there a background check on people who start daycare businesses? Someone who thinks like this has to have a criminal history

One would think but it is not like you go from shoplifting to embezzlement and off to kiddy diddler.

Don't you need a spotless record to be a bank teller?  Why should this be any less stringent?   Checking a criminal record isn't about the specific crimes, but rather the character of the individual.



Even though I am sure this is perma-buried, this is untrue. I am the sysadmin for a bank, with not only a juvenile record (really, really, REALLY bad shiat too), but a prior felony indictment (beaten in court because it wasn't just, but whatever), and I have had zero issues. The biggest hurdle I have faced is a drug test, and even that wasn't bad. My record never came in to question.
 
2013-03-21 08:05:03 PM
wtf is wrong with people? babies? toddlers? so farking gross and disgusting.  who could do this to a child?

you can halfway understand if it's a developed 14 y/o cuz that attraction is natural cuz they are almost adult, but a toddler? f-ing unreal.
 
2013-03-21 08:30:21 PM
I saw this on the news last night and maybe it is because I cannot even comprehend how somebody would think of such a thing, but I am hoping that this is some sort of sick set-up or something.

What I am saying is that it boggles my mind that a seemingly normal young couple would resort to this kind of pure perversion and - not only do they seem somewhat intelligent in their non-perv lives - but they manage to plan so poorly that they get caught before they have a chance to do anything.

Gross.  Instead of thinking of all the terrible things I would do to these people, I am going to fantasize that this was all a cruel, sick, setup or crazy-assed misunderstanding.  If not, I weep for humankind.
 
2013-03-21 08:31:57 PM
www.roflcat.com
 
2013-03-21 08:49:01 PM
Ahh, it's the daily "I will show you how much I hate sex-perverts by wishing the most perverse consequential sexual acts I can envision upon them" thread.
 
2013-03-21 09:08:48 PM

BSABSVR: Ahh, it's the daily "I will show you how much I hate sex-perverts by wishing the most perverse consequential sexual acts I can envision upon them" thread.


Or the "Have the the costs they were going to impose / did impose on harmless victims, imposed on the offenders instead" thread. Turnabout is fair play, after all.
 
2013-03-21 09:19:58 PM

Nurglitch: I don't really see any deterrence-effect from executing these two, given the effectiveness of torture as a deterrent back in the lawless days of old. People will just resort to more extreme measures not to get caught. That's kind of the problem with punishment.

And torturing them seems to me like saying "Sure, dehumanizing another human being is okay." Isn't the point that they were about to torture other people? What exactly is the net benefit of torturing them?

I'm always astonished at how reading about this sort of thing gives me the heebie-jeebies now that I have kids of my own, but I'm also kind of taken aback by the weird vibe of sadism and lack-of-empathy in this thread. I mean, sadism and lack-of-empathy is kind of the problem here.


There's a difference between crime and punishment. Some folks, perhaps like yourself as you're intimating in the bolded section above, can't see the difference.

The difference is: The crime is the involuntary cost the offender imposes on the victim. The punishment is a cost imposed, perhaps commensurate, imposed on the offender, to offset any benefit the offender received from the crime.
 
2013-03-21 09:22:29 PM

Captain Darling: In before "people who hate child rapists are worse than child rapists"


Who in the old hickory fark says that?
 
2013-03-21 09:29:56 PM

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 540x839]

And now we cut live to the new POPE, where he affirms his belief that gays adopting children is CHILD ABUSE.


What the fark does this shiat have to do with anything in this thread?
 
2013-03-21 09:46:00 PM
Which is why I chose to work nights so our kids wouldnt have to go to a babysitter.  I dont understand those parents who readily send their kids off to a stranger for up to 10 hours a day.  Often times the math doesnt even justify a sitter versus working part time in two income households.
 
2013-03-21 10:38:48 PM
Was that wrong? Should we not have done that?
 
2013-03-21 10:41:29 PM

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 540x839]

And now we cut live to the new POPE, where he affirms his belief that gays adopting children is CHILD ABUSE.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-21 11:09:29 PM
OK, I admit it: I just do not understand "child pornography."  Small humans are goddamn annoying even at the best of times... who in the hell could find them the least bit arousing?  Let alone risk going to PMITA prison for it?  Adults are a lot more fun!
 
2013-03-21 11:17:50 PM

iheartscotch: / I'm a big fan of literature; red Dante's Inferno in high school shcool


Sorry, pet peeve.
 
2013-03-21 11:38:54 PM
Ha! Just more proof the US Government doesn't like small business owners or job creators.
 
2013-03-21 11:47:15 PM

Frederick: Which is why I chose to work nights so our kids wouldnt have to go to a babysitter.  I dont understand those parents who readily send their kids off to a stranger for up to 10 hours a day.  Often times the math doesnt even justify a sitter versus working part time in two income households.


And yet there are plenty of people who, upon seeing a "FREE DAYCARE!" banner, would happily drop their kids off with no questions asked. Not because they don't care about their kids. Just that they're working poor, and "free" is what's affordable.
 
2013-03-22 12:48:19 AM

TheTurtle: OK, I admit it: I just do not understand "child pornography."  Small humans are goddamn annoying even at the best of times... who in the hell could find them the least bit arousing?  Let alone risk going to PMITA prison for it?  Adults are a lot more fun!


One thing I find puzzling: what's the business model?

I mean, I can understand narcotics. Demand is so high and the market restricted to the point that you can take a plant that grows, refine it, and sell it for 10,000% mark up. For that kind of money you'd betray your friends, your family, hell, you'd overthrow the government. I understand illegal arms deals. But is there some sort of large wealthy underground pedophile community willing to pay top dollar for the kind of porn that would get you thrown in jail in virtually any country on earth? I mean, videos taken in countries where the age of consent is low, maybe. But that still makes the subjects teenagers. I realize people will make a dishonest buck any way they can, but producing kiddie porn seems to be just one step above snuff films in terms of "what will bring the heat on you, with little profit to show for it." Obviously there must be profit in it, but damned if I can understand it.
 
2013-03-22 01:46:28 AM
its stull like this that we need the death penalty for
/also, Bebars lol
 
2013-03-22 03:37:29 AM

JungleBoogie: I've noticed that anti-death penalty types tend to be first concerned with the welfare of the offender, rather than doing justice and preventing the crime again.


Then you're seriously an idiot, because no anti death penalty advocate would ever want anything but life in prison for such an offender.  And yeah, they hate the crimes just as much as anyone else, jackass.
 
2013-03-22 07:30:50 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: JungleBoogie: I've noticed that anti-death penalty types tend to be first concerned with the welfare of the offender, rather than doing justice and preventing the crime again.

Then you're seriously an idiot, because no anti death penalty advocate would ever want anything but life in prison for such an offender.  And yeah, they hate the crimes just as much as anyone else, jackass.




False
 
2013-03-22 07:35:26 AM

nburghmatt: hardinparamedic: jbuist: Rev. Skarekroe: That's insane!
Dramamine isn't an allergy medication!

Yes it is.  Diphenhydramine hydrochloride.  It's the same thing as a Benadryl.

Dramamine pills just contain twice the amount.

*themoreyouknow.jpg*

Dimenhydrinate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimenhydrinate

also, dimenhydrinate is about half as effective as diphenhydramine by weight, so that was wrong too.


But it has twice the side effects, so he is even?
 
2013-03-22 10:05:19 AM

JungleBoogie: Great Janitor: It's been a bad week to be against capital punishment.

The All-Powerful Atheismo: No, it's the same as any other week since anti-death penalty people rely more on reason than emotion, compared to pro capital punishmenters

I've noticed that anti-death penalty types tend to be first concerned with the welfare of the offender, rather than doing justice and preventing the crime again. It does seem to be true that they don't get as worked up over heinous crimes as pro-death penalty types.


How do you know that the person who is called 'the offender' is the one who actually did the deed?  There's a problem when 'justice' becomes 'punish anyone just as long as someone is punished'.
 
2013-03-22 10:26:40 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: and preventing the crime again.


Not to mention that every study out there shows that the threat of the death penalty does nothing to deter other offenders from committing the same offense. Heck, countries  without the death penalty tend to have lower overall violent crime rates than countries who do.

It's about revenge, not prevention. Anyone who tells you differently is deluded or lying.
 
2013-03-22 10:49:28 AM
JungleBoogie: I've noticed that anti-death penalty types tend to be first concerned with the welfare of the offender, rather than doing justice and preventing the crime again.

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Then you're seriously an idiot, because no anti death penalty advocate would ever want anything but life in prison for such an offender.  And yeah, they hate the crimes just as much as anyone else, jackass.


You should check out a PBS Frontline documentary called "Angel on Death Row" about Sister Helen Prejean and other spiritual advisors to capital murderers. Even the transcript is compelling. To death penalty opponents, it's an inspirational look at spiritual advisors to condemned prisoners. To death penalty advocates, it's an informative look at the core of the anti-death penalty movement.

The movie "Dead Man Walking" is based on the murderer in that documentary, Robert Lee Willie. The movie ignores the murder of Faith Hathaway and focuses on the stoic, Christ-like figure of Willie/Poncelet. In talking to death penalty opponents over the years, usually they'll give lip service to the victim, but when impassioned, they will frequently drop the facade.

Prejean herself, and other spiritual advisors speak of the murderers in glowing terms, and when asked about the hideous brutality of the murders, respond with bland platitudes.

Also - life in prison for the offender? The anti-death penalty movement here was positively ecstatic over the 21 year sentence for Anders Breivik in a comfortable dorm room. I remember reading an article in The Economist magazine where the writer praised the "principled" punishment (towards the bottom of the page). Certain Norwegian prison authorities were proud of the sentence and vowed to be "humane." The core of the anti-death penalty movement is opposed to life without parole as well.

I stand by my observation. It is an accurate description of reality. The core of the death penalty has an offender-centric focus, rather than a victim-centric focus, which is the orientation of the pro-death penalty movement.
 
2013-03-22 10:57:46 AM
ExperianScaresCthulhu: and preventing the crime again.

CheatCommando: Not to mention that every study out there shows that the threat of the death penalty does nothing to deter other offenders from committing the same offense.


Well, actual execution is much better at preventing recidivism than incarceration. And the death penalty almost certainly does deter. I mean, if incarceration deters, why wouldn't the death penalty?

Heck, countries  without the death penalty tend to have lower overall violent crime rates than countries who do.

The countries with the world's 1st, 2nd and 3rd largest economies all have the death penalty. Certainly, everyone accepts that there are other factors beside the death penalty which influence the murder rate, which leads to different rates in different locales. But if you want to see how the death penalty affects the murder rates, here is 56 years worth of data in the US.

It's about revenge, not prevention. Anyone who tells you differently is deluded or lying.

I certainly don't have any problems with vengeance. But I prefer retribution, all in all, so that the penalties remain commensurate. I think retribution best serves justice, better than vengeance usually.
 
2013-03-22 04:29:32 PM

jbuist: Rev. Skarekroe: That's insane!
Dramamine isn't an allergy medication!

Yes it is.  Diphenhydramine hydrochloride.  It's the same thing as a Benadryl.

Dramamine pills just contain twice the amount.

*themoreyouknow.jpg*


Really!?

I guess I better make sure my wife, who is terribly allergic to Benadryl, does not take any.
 
2013-03-22 06:52:29 PM

Fano: TheTurtle: OK, I admit it: I just do not understand "child pornography."  Small humans are goddamn annoying even at the best of times... who in the hell could find them the least bit arousing?  Let alone risk going to PMITA prison for it?  Adults are a lot more fun!

One thing I find puzzling: what's the business model?

I mean, I can understand narcotics. Demand is so high and the market restricted to the point that you can take a plant that grows, refine it, and sell it for 10,000% mark up. For that kind of money you'd betray your friends, your family, hell, you'd overthrow the government. I understand illegal arms deals. But is there some sort of large wealthy underground pedophile community willing to pay top dollar for the kind of porn that would get you thrown in jail in virtually any country on earth? I mean, videos taken in countries where the age of consent is low, maybe. But that still makes the subjects teenagers. I realize people will make a dishonest buck any way they can, but producing kiddie porn seems to be just one step above snuff films in terms of "what will bring the heat on you, with little profit to show for it." Obviously there must be profit in it, but damned if I can understand it.


Not all forms of compensation are monetary.  In this case, you have a couple pervos who have a very difficult to satisfy habit.  Most likely, they planned on making their product in hope that some other pervos would be willing to trade part of their own stashes for it.
 
2013-03-23 03:10:55 AM

JungleBoogie: ExperianScaresCthulhu: and preventing the crime again.

CheatCommando: Not to mention that every study out there shows that the threat of the death penalty does nothing to deter other offenders from committing the same offense.

Well, actual execution is much better at preventing recidivism than incarceration. And the death penalty almost certainly does deter. I mean, if incarceration deters, why wouldn't the death penalty?

Heck, countries  without the death penalty tend to have lower overall violent crime rates than countries who do.

The countries with the world's 1st, 2nd and 3rd largest economies all have the death penalty. Certainly, everyone accepts that there are other factors beside the death penalty which influence the murder rate, which leads to different rates in different locales. But if you want to see how the death penalty affects the murder rates, here is 56 years worth of data in the US.

It's about revenge, not prevention. Anyone who tells you differently is deluded or lying.

I certainly don't have any problems with vengeance. But I prefer retribution, all in all, so that the penalties remain commensurate. I think retribution best serves justice, better than vengeance usually.


Neither vengeance or retribution are about justice. They are about personal satisfaction. There's a reason that our justice system was designed to remain impartial and the accused were given inalienable rights in the constitution, you know.

/Pro-Death Penalty Reform.
//Death Penalty cases should be referred to the federal court systems, and any legal counsel involved in them should have to be certified to handle death penalty cases. The cost of executing an innocent man is too great.
 
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