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(Voice of America)   During WWII, the Gibson guitar company employed women to replace its male workers who had gone off to fight. It turns out, those women made some pretty great guitars   (voanews.com) divider line 48
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2013-03-21 10:28:52 AM
so if you see a banner headstock gibson, it's a chick-made guitar? cool!

/plays a southern jumbo
//reissue, of course.
///banner headstock
 
2013-03-21 10:33:51 AM
Here's my Les Paul story.

When I was in high school, I wanted a Les Paul so goddamn badly. I couldn't afford a standard, but the Epiphones were actually somewhat affordable. I lusted after it for so long, but when you're 16 and have no job, $500 might as well be a million.

Fast forward almost 20 years and I'm at this gigantic new mall near my house and in it is a guitar store. I check out guitars and think "hey, I have a career now and some money, let's look at a Les Paul!".

Now if I'm going to buy a Les Paul now, I'm going to do it right and buy a standard. I find a beautiful cherry starburst and that lust comes rushing back. Then I look at the price tag $3699.

SON OF A B*TCH!!

And now you know why I still don't have a Les Paul.
 
2013-03-21 10:38:32 AM

Rev.K: Now if I'm going to buy a Les Paul now, I'm going to do it right and buy a standard. I find a beautiful cherry starburst and that lust comes rushing back. Then I look at the price tag $3699.


i have a custom shop les paul (a '58 reissue with light flame). it's a thing of beauty. i paid $1,800 for it, plus i traded a telecaster and an SG for it. the replacement price for is nearly $6k now. this is why i have music insurance in addition to homeowner's insurance.

incidentally, if you're still looking for a LP, i'd avoid the Gibson USA models. they're still outrageously priced, and they're not that great. for just a bit more, you can find a used Gibson custom shop model. they're MUCH better made and use much better woods. you'll be glad you did.
 
2013-03-21 10:39:55 AM
oh, and NEVER buy a guitar online unless you can return it. even the custom shop produces dogs now and then. make sure you play it before committing big bucks. and let your ears make the decision, not your eyes.

/learned this the hard way
 
2013-03-21 10:57:26 AM

FlashHarry: i have a custom shop les paul (a '58 reissue with light flame). it's a thing of beauty. i paid $1,800 for it, plus i traded a telecaster and an SG for it. the replacement price for is nearly $6k now. this is why i have music insurance in addition to homeowner's insurance.


Wow. Sounds sweet!
 
2013-03-21 11:11:07 AM

Rev.K: Wow. Sounds sweet!


i34.tinypic.com\

yup. she's a beaut.
 
2013-03-21 11:35:21 AM

FlashHarry: Rev.K: Now if I'm going to buy a Les Paul now, I'm going to do it right and buy a standard. I find a beautiful cherry starburst and that lust comes rushing back. Then I look at the price tag $3699.

i have a custom shop les paul (a '58 reissue with light flame). it's a thing of beauty. i paid $1,800 for it, plus i traded a telecaster and an SG for it. the replacement price for is nearly $6k now. this is why i have music insurance in addition to homeowner's insurance.

incidentally, if you're still looking for a LP, i'd avoid the Gibson USA models. they're still outrageously priced, and they're not that great. for just a bit more, you can find a used Gibson custom shop model. they're MUCH better made and use much better woods. you'll be glad you did.


Who do you use for insurance?

I also would recommend the R8 and R9s. Beautiful and more good than bad versions were made. Regular production ones are hit or miss.

/2002 LP standard
//1992 PRS CU24
 
2013-03-21 12:01:03 PM

dr_blasto: Who do you use for insurance?

I also would recommend the R8 and R9s. Beautiful and more good than bad versions were made.


mine's an R8

i use heritage music insurance. they're great.
 
2013-03-21 12:01:50 PM

FlashHarry: yup. she's a beaut.


Goddammit!!

I have always wanted one. I had Fenders for years and I liked them, but that was only because I couldn't afford the Les Paul I wanted. My guitar teacher sold me his custom strat and that was a damn fine guitar. As I started to get more into heavy metal, I was led down the path of Jackson, BC Rich and Ibanez.

The only guitar I have now is my Jackson PS-4 that I bought when I was 17, but every time I see the iconic Les Paul, my heart flutters and I just WANT IT.
 
2013-03-21 12:05:09 PM
I bet they made killer sandwiches too.
 
2013-03-21 12:05:55 PM
I love my Gibsons, overrated as they may be. Buy used, boys and girls.
 
2013-03-21 12:07:48 PM

CoonAce: I love my Gibsons, overrated as they may be. Buy used, boys and girls.


THIS
 
2013-03-21 01:24:57 PM

Rev.K: When I was in high school, I wanted a Les Paul so goddamn badly. I couldn't afford a standard, but the Epiphones were actually somewhat affordable. I lusted after it for so long, but when you're 16 and have no job, $500 might as well be a million.

Fast forward almost 20 years and I'm at this gigantic new mall near my house and in it is a guitar store. I check out guitars and think "hey, I have a career now and some money, let's look at a Les Paul!".

Now if I'm going to buy a Les Paul now, I'm going to do it right and buy a standard. I find a beautiful cherry starburst and that lust comes rushing back. Then I look at the price tag $3699.


My brother bought a '79 LP custom for $700 in 1997ish, apparently from a guy trying to finance him mom's funeral.

Anyway, he held it for a long time, and it sounded like butter. When he eventually sold it (to pay for his wedding, I think), I have no idea what he got for it, but I suspect it was more than $700.

// I own an '83 Explorer bass which is a tank, but looks every bit of 30 years old
// and my Ibanez SD305 (orange sparkle finish) is a thing of beauty except for the farty B-string, which is a problem with many/most amateur-level amps/instruments
 
2013-03-21 01:43:29 PM

CoonAce: Buy used, boys and girls.


The used guitar market is mostly a joke. I have a hard time with people trying to sell their 2003 mass-market Fender Strats (for example) for twice what they paid for it because it's 10 years old. No, sorry. It's not vintage. They made thousands of them. There was nothing special about that model year. I'll give you half of what you paid for it.
 
2013-03-21 01:48:15 PM

nytyper: CoonAce: Buy used, boys and girls.

The used guitar market is mostly a joke. I have a hard time with people trying to sell their 2003 mass-market Fender Strats (for example) for twice what they paid for it because it's 10 years old. No, sorry. It's not vintage. They made thousands of them. There was nothing special about that model year. I'll give you half of what you paid for it.


i find it amusing that three-bolt fenders are going for big(isn) money simply because they're old now. most were terrible guitars. same goes for norlin-era gibsons. i had a '77 LP custom for a while. the farker weighed 15 lbs, i swear, and sounded terrible.
 
2013-03-21 01:55:19 PM
Good story and good reporting. That's pretty rare to find in a news article these days.
 
2013-03-21 02:00:23 PM
I like LP's for sure but damn they can be heavy
 
2013-03-21 02:01:42 PM
"Heavy" in the wow-this-thing-weighs-a-lot terms
 
2013-03-21 02:13:27 PM

FlashHarry: Rev.K: Now if I'm going to buy a Les Paul now, I'm going to do it right and buy a standard. I find a beautiful cherry starburst and that lust comes rushing back. Then I look at the price tag $3699.

i have a custom shop les paul (a '58 reissue with light flame). it's a thing of beauty. i paid $1,800 for it, plus i traded a telecaster and an SG for it. the replacement price for is nearly $6k now. this is why i have music insurance in addition to homeowner's insurance.

incidentally, if you're still looking for a LP, i'd avoid the Gibson USA models. they're still outrageously priced, and they're not that great. for just a bit more, you can find a used Gibson custom shop model. they're MUCH better made and use much better woods. you'll be glad you did.


I got my first real six string from a five-and-dime. Played it till my fingers bled.

Me and some guys from school had a band. We tried real hard, but we should have known we'd never get far.
 
2013-03-21 02:14:36 PM
The only guitars I'll buy online are Carvin or specialty builder like Electrical Guitar Company. I've let G.A.S. goad me into poor guitar decisions enough.


FlashHarry: nytyper: CoonAce: Buy used, boys and girls.

The used guitar market is mostly a joke. I have a hard time with people trying to sell their 2003 mass-market Fender Strats (for example) for twice what they paid for it because it's 10 years old. No, sorry. It's not vintage. They made thousands of them. There was nothing special about that model year. I'll give you half of what you paid for it.

i find it amusing that three-bolt fenders are going for big(isn) money simply because they're old now. most were terrible guitars. same goes for norlin-era gibsons. i had a '77 LP custom for a while. the farker weighed 15 lbs, i swear, and sounded terrible.


The nostaliga tax. Late boomers and gen X'ers got money, and want the guitars of their youth.
 
2013-03-21 02:41:48 PM
give me an es-345 or -347.
stereo - bridge pup dirty, neck pup clean, add a bit of phase and you get an overdriven b3/leslie thing going.
 
2013-03-21 03:02:33 PM

verbaltoxin: The nostaliga tax. Late boomers and gen X'ers got money, and want the guitars of their youth.


yup. in fact, we should all be buying up 80s "supers-strats" like charvels and jacksons. i'm guessing they're next on the hot list.
 
2013-03-21 03:17:52 PM

FlashHarry: CoonAce: I love my Gibsons, overrated as they may be. Buy used, boys and girls.

THIS


Up till last year I'd say yeah +100.... but the $2,000+ USAs are now all PLEK'd and offer two things they should have done years ago:

Std coil tap
Tone bypass

Not sold on the +10db boost yet.

Yes, there are some great used deals out there, but the new ones are getting appreciably better and are delivering more value for the price.

BTW, you must play a PLEK'd guitar if you haven't yet.

Owned a G&L USA Semi-Hollow S-500 and Suhr S-1 that were PLEK'd. They were the best strat style guitars I've ever played and recorded (and tracked GK-3) beautifully.
 
2013-03-21 03:31:35 PM
He compared a group of the women-made guitars with groups of guitars made by their male predecessors and successors both before and after the war. The results showed the components of the women-made guitars were all measurable thinner, even for precisely the same models built just after the war by men.

You know, I like the story and all that, I really like 'Rosie the Riveter' type stories about women stepping up during the war and doing the jobs that society thought they were too delicate to handle(And doing them well), although I'm not a fan of those women being kicked to the curb when the men came back. Anyway, the problem I have with the "chicks made better guitars" thing is that these are made off of blueprints designed by someone else. These women weren't each expertly trained luthiers, they were just women in a line at a factory. Now, maybe the story is that they were better with the precision needed to make the guitars with smaller pieces and still have them be as strong, but the article just kind of implies that they magically made 'em better because uteruses...
 
2013-03-21 03:34:04 PM

nytyper: CoonAce: Buy used, boys and girls.

The used guitar market is mostly a joke. I have a hard time with people trying to sell their 2003 mass-market Fender Strats (for example) for twice what they paid for it because it's 10 years old. No, sorry. It's not vintage. They made thousands of them. There was nothing special about that model year. I'll give you half of what you paid for it.


So let me try this again(My Weeners died in a fire or something)...

How do you value a guitar correctly nowadays? I have a nice Ovation I occasionally check in on out of curiosity, but I have no idea how to tell what it's actually worth, so I just try and find it for sale and average the price...
 
2013-03-21 03:47:55 PM

Mikey1969: How do you value a guitar correctly nowadays? I have a nice Ovation I occasionally check in on out of curiosity, but I have no idea how to tell what it's actually worth, so I just try and find it for sale and average the price...


that's pretty much what you can do. check ebay.

ovations aren't all that collectible, i'm afraid - certainly not to the level of gibsons or martins. but if it's american-made, it'll probably eventually rise in value. or if somebody famous starts using one. sears silvertone amps were a dime a dozen until jack white started using them.
 
2013-03-21 04:03:26 PM
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Picked up both of these used. The PRS for about 1/2 of the retail price. It's a 2000 McCarty. The one on the left is a 1981 LP Custom. Harvest Gold burst. I got that one really cheap. I think $700.00 in the early 90s. It's gone up quite a bit in value as, from what I've been told, there aren't many of those LPs in that paint color. Used is definitely the way to go.
 
2013-03-21 04:07:03 PM

FlashHarry: Mikey1969: How do you value a guitar correctly nowadays? I have a nice Ovation I occasionally check in on out of curiosity, but I have no idea how to tell what it's actually worth, so I just try and find it for sale and average the price...

that's pretty much what you can do. check ebay.

ovations aren't all that collectible, i'm afraid - certainly not to the level of gibsons or martins. but if it's american-made, it'll probably eventually rise in value. or if somebody famous starts using one. sears silvertone amps were a dime a dozen until jack white started using them.


Oh, I don't need it to be collectible, as I said, I just check out of curiosity. God, the thing is beautiful... I did a project for a TV class where we had to shoot something in a non-standard way, and I did a slow reveal, starting in the deep red on the body and pulling out while exposing the guitar. It was either a 30 or 45 second piece, but uit was easily a full 25 seconds before anybody in the class could figure out what it was, although they were all on the edge of their seats. Even though all I do is take some lessons every few years, I absolutely love just owning something like that.

/Would own about 5,000 guitars if I could and display them all up and down the wall like at Guitar Center...
 
2013-03-21 04:50:22 PM
As a Tele, Strat, and various Washburn owner, I absolutely love the Gibson LP's that I've played.  Gorgeous for the eyes and ears.
 
2013-03-21 04:58:12 PM

orange whip: "Heavy" in the wow-this-thing-weighs-a-lot terms


I like my vintage Aztec.
Lighter than the LP,
Heavier than the light gibson.
 
2013-03-21 04:58:32 PM

Mikey1969: Would own about 5,000 guitars if I could and display them all up and down the wall like at Guitar Center...


i have eight. and they're all up on the wall. it's awesome.

/i don't have children...
 
2013-03-21 05:02:14 PM

FlashHarry: verbaltoxin: The nostaliga tax. Late boomers and gen X'ers got money, and want the guitars of their youth.

yup. in fact, we should all be buying up 80s "supers-strats" like charvels and jacksons. i'm guessing they're next on the hot list.


Those old Charvels were already worth a ton not too long ago.
 
2013-03-21 05:22:11 PM
I really don't think this is anything to fret over.
 
2013-03-21 05:54:58 PM

FlashHarry: Mikey1969: Would own about 5,000 guitars if I could and display them all up and down the wall like at Guitar Center...

i have eight. and they're all up on the wall. it's awesome.

/i don't have children...


LOL, I'm lucky. My 4-year old has always listened to the 'That's Daddy's' thing, so she knows not to mess with it. She got a cheesy beginner guitar last fall and sits down and strums it, but the most she does with mine is open and then close the buckles on the case. If it's out, she looks, but doesn't touch.

I guess the good news is that my guitar is unique enough that I have trouble finding one exactly like it even on a GIS... :-) Wouldn't matter if it was the most common one out there though  I'll never get rid of it.
 
2013-03-21 08:51:15 PM

Mikey1969: How do you value a guitar correctly nowadays? I have a nice Ovation I occasionally check in on out of curiosity, but I have no idea how to tell what it's actually worth, so I just try and find it for sale and average the price...


Check completed sales on ebay, where the item actually sold.
 
2013-03-21 08:52:38 PM

Rev.K: Here's my Les Paul story.

When I was in high school, I wanted a Les Paul so goddamn badly. I couldn't afford a standard, but the Epiphones were actually somewhat affordable. I lusted after it for so long, but when you're 16 and have no job, $500 might as well be a million.

Fast forward almost 20 years and I'm at this gigantic new mall near my house and in it is a guitar store. I check out guitars and think "hey, I have a career now and some money, let's look at a Les Paul!".

Now if I'm going to buy a Les Paul now, I'm going to do it right and buy a standard. I find a beautiful cherry starburst and that lust comes rushing back. Then I look at the price tag $3699.

SON OF A B*TCH!!

And now you know why I still don't have a Les Paul.


Just think of it as a 2nd car. A used car. A looks-like-and-beat-to-shiat-but-will-still-get-you-to-work car.

Rationalization is a beautiful thing.
 
2013-03-21 09:00:05 PM

jaytkay: Mikey1969: How do you value a guitar correctly nowadays? I have a nice Ovation I occasionally check in on out of curiosity, but I have no idea how to tell what it's actually worth, so I just try and find it for sale and average the price...

Check completed sales on ebay, where the item actually sold.


Good advice. Thanks, I've gotten so used to writing Ebay off entirely, that I sometimes forget it even exists...
 
2013-03-21 09:55:18 PM

nytyper: CoonAce: Buy used, boys and girls.

The used guitar market is mostly a joke. I have a hard time with people trying to sell their 2003 mass-market Fender Strats (for example) for twice what they paid for it because it's 10 years old. No, sorry. It's not vintage. They made thousands of them. There was nothing special about that model year. I'll give you half of what you paid for it.


If you don't mind my asking, what's the market asking for a 2000/2001 4 bolt Sub Sonic? Not the Custom Shop model - the year Fender made it as a straight production model.  Looks like a hardtail Strat with a single/ single/bucker configuration.
 
2013-03-21 10:44:21 PM
i'm guessing that guitars made from maple/mahogany/alder/ash will all escalate in value over the next 50 years as those species become threatened.

just look at the difference in price between a madagascan d-28 and a brazilian d-28.
 
2013-03-22 12:59:54 AM
When I was in college, I wanted a Les Paul. I'm not even a guitar player. I'm a piano player. I can play around a little with a guitar. But, I just wanted one because of what it was.
Charles, c/o
Valplan.com
 
2013-03-22 01:11:19 AM

FlashHarry: oh, and NEVER buy a guitar online unless you can return it. even the custom shop produces dogs now and then. make sure you play it before committing big bucks. and let your ears make the decision, not your eyes.

/learned this the hard way


excellent advice. i've been selling electrics on eBay over 10 years. buying a guitar untested is a horrible thing. and way too many used sellers don't know shiat about safely packing a guitar for the torture of shipment.

.

Mikey1969: jaytkay: Mikey1969: How do you value a guitar correctly nowadays? I have a nice Ovation I occasionally check in on out of curiosity, but I have no idea how to tell what it's actually worth, so I just try and find it for sale and average the price...

Check completed sales on ebay, where the item actually sold.

Good advice. Thanks, I've gotten so used to writing Ebay off entirely, that I sometimes forget it even exists...


Remember to use the Advanced Search feature which will show you the closed recent auctions, what didn't sell, and what sold at what closing price.
 
2013-03-22 07:56:48 AM
I own a Les Paul Studio that I bought a few years back for $800.  It's not terrible, but I still find myself going for one of my Teles probably 95% of the time.  The LP Standards are insanely overpriced, and I've yet to come across one in recent years that didn't look like it suffered from shiat quality control.

Between Gibsons and VWs, it seems to me Tennesseeans shouldn't be allowed to manufacture anything.  I'd trust a cheap Mexican Fender over a US Gibson any day of the week.
 
2013-03-22 10:55:12 AM

RickyWilliams'sBong: I'd trust a cheap Mexican Fender over a US Gibson any day of the week.


i'd agree... but again i'd exempt the custom shop, which isn't even in the same building.
 
2013-03-23 02:18:00 AM

Rev.K: Here's my Les Paul story....I couldn't afford a standard, but the Epiphones were actually somewhat affordable. I lusted after it for so long, but when you're 16 and have no job, $500 might as well be a million.


Well, the Epiphones are still $500.  I got mine, an Epi LP Standard Pro for $400 because if Guitar Center isn't running a coupon today, just wait until tomorrow.  Now, I should preface this by saying that I'm not a particularly skilled guitarist (yet!), but I've loved the Epi so far.  Pickups sound great, finish is nice, etc.

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-03-23 02:25:34 AM
G. Gordon Libbie:

BTW, you must play a PLEK'd guitar if you haven't yet.

Owned a G&L USA Semi-Hollow S-500 and Suhr S-1 that were PLEK'd. They were the best strat style guitars I've ever played and recorded (and tracked GK-3) beautifully.


In case anyone is wondering wtf PLEK'd means, see here:  http://youtu.be/PG4BOLlKOb4

Also-glad to see I'm not the only fan of G&L here!  As previously admitted, I'm still a shiate guitarist, so I can't yet justify investing the $1500+ for a custom U.S. G&L Legacy.  But I did get an Indonesian-made Legacy Tribute for $425, and I love it.  Sadly, the offshore G&Ls aren't PLEK'd, but they DO use the same pickups as the US-made models.  But it plays great, and I'm thrilled with the finish.
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-03-23 09:23:07 AM
I bought my Taylor 814ce new a few years back. I only ever had cheap guitars before that. I spent hours in the expensive room at Guitar Center playing all the brands and models. The Taylor sounds so good and plays so well that I started playing more so I could get good enough to be worthy of it. I'm not sure I'm there yet but I'm way beyond where I ever thought I'd be as a musician. Worth every penny.
 
2013-03-23 01:11:02 PM

nytyper: CoonAce: Buy used, boys and girls.

The used guitar market is mostly a joke.


The new guitar market, more so.
 
2013-03-25 05:47:20 AM
My dad left me a 1959 Gibson es300 ( I think that's what it is anyway) and it still plays great.  Looks like this.

www.rumbleseatmusic.com
 
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