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(Chattanooga Times Free Press)   GOP governors for the last few years: lets slash taxes on businesses and the wealthy to show how "business friendly" we are" GOP governors now: We're broke and businesses are complaining our roads are crap-so let's double the gas tax   (timesfreepress.com) divider line 39
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2013-03-21 12:03:00 PM  
7 votes:

xanadian: They also like the simple idea behind it. "It's a user fee," Snyder said. "If you use the roads more, you should pay more. If you use the roads less, you should pay less."

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Ok, that actually makes some sense.  Doesn't take into account the poor slobs who *have* to commute an hour each day because their job is so f*cking far from home.


Actually, I'm pretty sure it does take into account the working poor. In fact, levying a tax hike on the people who can least afford it is probably the general idea.
2013-03-21 01:27:30 PM  
5 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: So, Snyder has to fix 8 yrs. of Ganholm's ineptitude.  Or does 0bama own exclusive rights to that excuse?


Hmm. here's an exercise for you:

Bush inherited a surplus, and promptly cut taxes by the entire amount of the tax surplus ($1.2 TRILLION) in a "temporary" tax cut.  He then extended those tax cuts while racking up record budget deficits and spending an additional Trillion dollars on a war in Iraq that didn;t even show up on the budget because it was emmergency supplemental spending for 7 years. Meanwhile his  economic regulators were so bad at their job that the precipitated the worst finacial crisis since the Great Depression, causing, among other things, the stock market to lose HALF of its value.

What did Granholm do that was equivalent?  Be very specific please, and explain how, as a sidebar, if Synder was the one who cut the taxes, how his curent lack of money could be her fault.

or were you just talking out of your ass because you have no actual rational defense of Synder's ineptitude
2013-03-21 12:17:51 PM  
4 votes:
They've also been selling off state assets to make the bottom line look better, crapping on abortion rights and gerrymandering the fark out of states.

A lot of damage has been done since the derpers got control in 2010 and much of it at the state level gets overlooked.
2013-03-21 12:01:44 PM  
4 votes:
Yeah because gas tax totally won't hit OTR trucking and raise prices on anything transported in a truck.
2013-03-21 11:49:32 AM  
4 votes:
There aren't OTHER things you could tax that wouldn't have such a dramatic impact on the lower to middle class?

Oh, wait, that's right. You're a "Republican."

GFY, Snyder!
2013-03-21 01:15:44 PM  
3 votes:

verbaltoxin: xanadian: They also like the simple idea behind it. "It's a user fee," Snyder said. "If you use the roads more, you should pay more. If you use the roads less, you should pay less."

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Ok, that actually makes some sense.  Doesn't take into account the poor slobs who *have* to commute an hour each day because their job is so f*cking far from home.

It does increase fuel costs for business owners though. The rich are rich partially because they use so much of our infrastructure and resources, and have earned the most reward from them. So a gas tax increase does affect them too. Trucking company costs are going to be higher, same with any UPS and FedEx branches, or any company with its own fleet.


Yes but oine contributing factor of the rich being rich is that they pass the extra cost of the infrastructure tax onto the customers.
2013-03-21 01:09:36 PM  
3 votes:

xanadian: They also like the simple idea behind it. "It's a user fee," Snyder said. "If you use the roads more, you should pay more. If you use the roads less, you should pay less."

...

Ok, that actually makes some sense.  Doesn't take into account the poor slobs who *have* to commute an hour each day because their job is so f*cking far from home.


It's practically the definition of a regressive tax.  There's nothing wrong with supporting regressive taxation--you just have to live with the economy, government and social structure that results.
2013-03-21 12:22:35 PM  
3 votes:
In other news, GOPers are America hating scumbag morons, who should be rounded up by the state and publicly executed as an example to others.
2013-03-21 11:45:53 AM  
3 votes:
Wait, what, you're telling me that a decent infrastructure and functional government services might be a factor in getting business to locate in your state, not just tax breaks? What kind of voodoo economics is this?
2013-03-21 02:46:26 PM  
2 votes:
The GOP isn't against taxes; they merely want to shift the tax burden from people who have money to those who don't. That's what the French did in the 18th century, and France still exists, therefore their plan must have worked brilliantly.
2013-03-21 02:22:06 PM  
2 votes:
Quick summary; Tax cuts enacted to spur job growth, job growth did not happen instead massive job losses mostly due to an over-leveraged housing market that collapsed, tax revenues decreased leaving less money for infrastructure projects and maint. now they want to raise taxes on gas which will primarily impact the folks who can least afford it. Seems like a series of bad ideas coming together as one big gang-bang on the middle class.
2013-03-21 02:00:35 PM  
2 votes:
"They also like the simple idea behind it."

That is the crux of every GOP motive!

When does life begin?  "Conception" keeps it simple.
When does rape occur? "Only when it leaves obvious wounds" keeps it simple.
What should government do? "As little as possible" keeps it simple.
Where is moral authority? "In one book" keeps it simple.
2013-03-21 01:14:15 PM  
2 votes:
Trust us, guys... we're going to use those fees to fix the roads!

Aaannnd it's gone.
2013-03-21 01:10:43 PM  
2 votes:

King Something: xanadian: They also like the simple idea behind it. "It's a user fee," Snyder said. "If you use the roads more, you should pay more. If you use the roads less, you should pay less."

...

Ok, that actually makes some sense.  Doesn't take into account the poor slobs who *have* to commute an hour each day because their job is so f*cking far from home.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it does take into account the working poor. In fact, levying a tax hike on the people who can least afford it is probably the general idea.


well they cant fight back... cept for all those guns we scared them into buying
2013-03-21 12:16:54 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: jake_lex: Wait, what, you're telling me that a decent infrastructure and functional government services might be a factor in getting business to locate in your state, not just tax breaks? What kind of voodoo economics is this?

They could always raise taxes.  that'd fix the problem!  oh, wait - no, they can't.  Republicans can't raise taxes, they can only CUT taxes.  And they can only cut taxes on corporations and the rich.  that's why it kinda sucks to be them.


They cut the living hell out of  them taxes don't they? 'Course when they then realize they've got no money to provide basical govenmental functions like keeping the roads in repair or funding transportation infrastructure, then, well then they just hike "user fees" which so totally NOT the same thing.  Or even better yet, they "privatize" the road and let a private company gouge you for the privilege of being able to get to work every day

/Live in VA, Work in DC
//means that driving to work involves a a private "greenway" with a $5 each way toll,  $2 each way on the Va-owned toll road (which is set to double and then triple in the next couple years because VA won't pay for its share of the expansion of the Metro system out to Dulles airport) AND now Bobby MC wants to boost the Gas taxes and slap a toll on i-95 as well
///for those of you playing along at home that means effectively a $14/day $280/mo $3360/year "tax" that me and every other Nova resident has to pay regardless of income
//// S'why most days I take a commuter bus that is $7 a day each way -cheaper than driving (no gas costs) and they at least get to use the carpool lanes
2013-03-21 12:07:09 PM  
2 votes:
No reasoning with a tea bagger.
2013-03-21 11:56:57 AM  
2 votes:
b-b-b-but gays wanna marry and recruit my children!  And atheists want to outlaw Christmas!  And Obama wants to bring 100,000,000 Muslims to America!  And the UN wants to confiscate my land, guns, and children!!1!

Seriously, sensible Republicans (if any are left) wake/grow the f*ck up.
2013-03-21 04:11:01 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: TheGogmagog: jake_lex: Wait, what, you're telling me that a decent infrastructure and functional government services might be a factor in getting business to locate in your state, not just tax breaks? What kind of voodoo economics is this?

I was told private industry would pay for the roads.  They don't need government help for anything.

who told you that?


Oops mine was already posted, edit --> redo

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2013-03-21 03:52:05 PM  
1 votes:
Standard Republican corporate welfare.  Shift the tax burden from corporations and the rich to people who actually work for a living.
2013-03-21 03:47:30 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Corvus: "We understand the difference between investing in an asset that has value and adds value to economic activity as opposed to general spending," said Rich Studley, president of the Michigan Chamber of Commerce.

What the fark do they think general spending is? It goes to teachers, firemen, police and infrastructure. It's not just thrown into a farking ditch.

I think the point is that the fuel tax is specifically earmarked for infrastructure development which has a direct impact on economic development. You invest the money in a tangible asset which boosts commerce while getting the benefit of the expenditure on the economy in general.
Please, do try to remain calm.


Schools, firefighters and police do not help the economy??
2013-03-21 03:04:59 PM  
1 votes:
The main difference is that Dems can figure this out without letting the state go to shiat first.
2013-03-21 02:54:26 PM  
1 votes:
verbaltoxin:

It does increase fuel costs for business owners though. The rich are rich partially because they use so much of our infrastructure and resources, and have earned the most reward from them. So a gas tax increase does affect them too. Trucking company costs are going to be higher, same with any UPS and FedEx branches, or any company with its own fleet.

Are you nuts? There will be exemptions/subsidies to cover it for the big rich companies in some form or another, there always are.
2013-03-21 02:10:32 PM  
1 votes:
Now if people/companies  paid for the CO2 they are releasing into the atmosphere instead of having the general tax payer pay for it.
2013-03-21 01:51:26 PM  
1 votes:
Republicans raise regressive taxes to pay for breaks on the wealthy? I'm shocked.
2013-03-21 01:45:28 PM  
1 votes:

Magorn: verbaltoxin: Magorn: //// S'why most days I take a commuter bus that is $7 a day each way -cheaper than driving (no gas costs) and they at least get to use the carpool lanes

If there's any place that needs more mass transit and less PMV's, it's the beltway.

which is why I am a big fan of the Silver Line metro expansion that McDonnell has done his level best to kill- and why I'm pretty bitter about his creation of privaely-owned "HOT" lanes on the Beltway where you get to use the special lanes so long as you are willing to pony up a toll that varies by how bad the traffic is in the plebian lanes (and the fact that contract has a 'non-compete clause that forbid the state from adding any more free lanes to the beltway to ease congestion)


Whoa, deja vu.  Same exact thing happened in Southern California along the 91 freeway in Orange County (heading from Riverside County) about a decade ago, complete with the non-compete clause.  Eventually some government agency took over the lanes when the private company went out of business, although they still have a toll.
2013-03-21 01:39:29 PM  
1 votes:
The important thing is that a Pledge isn't broken.
2013-03-21 01:36:03 PM  
1 votes:

PsyLord: So once again the tax burden has been shifted to the middle/low income people that are trying to eek out a living by going to and from their 9-5 jobs?  Why am I not surprised?


Because you still won't respect your betters, plebe!
2013-03-21 01:31:22 PM  
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: But gasoline taxes, some Republican officials say, are a lesser evil because the money traditionally doesn't wind up in general spending, but rather in building infrastructure, which helps boost economic development.

Long as the gas tax money stays out of the general fund and really does go to the roads, I'm okay with this.

And envious. New York's gas tax money goes into the general fund, and if you don't pay appropriate homage to the bosses you don't get jack shiat done in your district - and even then, the NYC Democratic machine gets first dibs.


Cripes are you a one track mind whiner.
2013-03-21 01:30:20 PM  
1 votes:
Fun part is the news that came out showing ALL of Wisconsin's counties have budget issues now and their unemployment went UP. How's life for all of you Koch suckers?
2013-03-21 01:13:14 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: TheGogmagog: jake_lex: Wait, what, you're telling me that a decent infrastructure and functional government services might be a factor in getting business to locate in your state, not just tax breaks? What kind of voodoo economics is this?

I was told private industry would pay for the roads.  They don't need government help for anything.

who told you that?


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2013-03-21 01:12:06 PM  
1 votes:
I'm all for lower taxes. But you don't lower taxes without lowering the financial burden on the government. It's like taking a job with lower pay and not adjusting your lifestyle to accommodate the dropped income.  So, here's the brakes: either you A) work out a tax system where everyone pays their fair share for the services that are provided to the community (you live here? use the fire/police/medical/whatever service? you get to pay for it), and you put your dollars into the programs and areas that need to be done to repay the people that are paying for it all, since they're collectively paying for you to provide a commonly organized service, or B) you stop taking people's money and cut cash flow to shiat that isn't necessary to the core operation of the community.

Kinda simple.  Of course, some people fail at basic economics and expect a gallon of milk from a cow they only fed enough to produce a quart, but hey, what do I know?
2013-03-21 01:06:57 PM  
1 votes:
Yay, more taxes for the poor and the middle class. You know, the 47% who pay no taxes.
2013-03-21 12:28:59 PM  
1 votes:
In other words, investing in a gas station in one of the northern suburbs of Toledo might be really clever really soon
2013-03-21 12:20:01 PM  
1 votes:
I use close to a 100 gallons of gas a week in a large truck driving to and back from work, the extra 14 bucks a week in tax would probably be fair considering how I use the roads, also I would just bring lunch all week instead of eating out a few times and basically call it even
2013-03-21 12:15:49 PM  
1 votes:
Elected on the downside of the recession, he was among a crop of new Republican leaders eager to show they could boost their states' ailing economies with lower taxes.

I'll just assume the Michigan economy is now roaring, but if it isn't, it's because of Obama (or because Michigan didn't cut taxes enough).
2013-03-21 12:03:15 PM  
1 votes:

jake_lex: Wait, what, you're telling me that a decent infrastructure and functional government services might be a factor in getting business to locate in your state, not just tax breaks? What kind of voodoo economics is this?


They could always raise taxes.  that'd fix the problem!  oh, wait - no, they can't.  Republicans can't raise taxes, they can only CUT taxes.  And they can only cut taxes on corporations and the rich.  that's why it kinda sucks to be them.
2013-03-21 11:56:19 AM  
1 votes:

xanadian: They also like the simple idea behind it. "It's a user fee," Snyder said. "If you use the roads more, you should pay more. If you use the roads less, you should pay less."

...

Ok, that actually makes some sense.  Doesn't take into account the poor slobs who *have* to commute an hour each day because their job is so f*cking far from home.


Let's get rid of this for all taxes! Let's pay for all securities laws with an equity tax. Let's pay for the military by a wealth tax (since the military protects your wealth). DOWN WITH GOVERNMENT!
2013-03-21 11:52:59 AM  
1 votes:
They also like the simple idea behind it. "It's a user fee," Snyder said. "If you use the roads more, you should pay more. If you use the roads less, you should pay less."

...

Ok, that actually makes some sense.  Doesn't take into account the poor slobs who *have* to commute an hour each day because their job is so f*cking far from home.
2013-03-21 11:45:16 AM  
1 votes:
But job creators!
 
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