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(American Thinker)   Karl Rove and Republican Decline   (americanthinker.com) divider line 198
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2013-03-21 09:45:27 AM  
The Republican Civil War is going so slow.
 
2013-03-21 09:49:39 AM  
He goes into great detail in the post-mortem of the disastrous Mitt Romney campaign strategy and failure of the independent Super PACS to blunt the devious, dishonest and calculating campaign of the Obama cabal.

Obama just let Romney and his fellow Republicans talk in public.  that pretty much destroyed the GOP right there.  But I don't see how that's 'devious, dishonest and calculating'.
 
2013-03-21 09:52:21 AM  
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! They're destroying themselves!
 
2013-03-21 10:08:30 AM  
GOP strategy for success: move further to the right, allowing the Democrats to occupy both the center-right, center, center-left and left.

Which is pretty much where we're at now.
 
2013-03-21 10:14:58 AM  
I read that in a Shmeegol voice.
 
2013-03-21 10:20:45 AM  

make me some tea: GOP strategy for success: move further to the right, allowing the Democrats to occupy both the center-right, center, center-left and left.


Eventually, they'll be spread so thin that they'll crack, breaking up into 4 smaller parties with the GOP winning a plurality.
 
2013-03-21 10:21:49 AM  

Weaver95: He goes into great detail in the post-mortem of the disastrous Mitt Romney campaign strategy and failure of the independent Super PACS to blunt the devious, dishonest and calculating campaign of the Obama cabal.

Obama just let Romney and his fellow Republicans talk in public.  that pretty much destroyed the GOP right there.  But I don't see how that's 'devious, dishonest and calculating'.


Really? Just like with the birth certificate, Obama tricked them into making fools of themselves. It's pretty plain.
 
2013-03-21 10:36:32 AM  
The next year and a half is going to be endlessly amusing

/buy popcorn
 
2013-03-21 10:39:26 AM  
American Thinker  ✓
Whines about Losing Election  ✓
Proposes reason why  ✓

Let me guess, someone wasn't conservative enough....
....

Yup.  ✓
 
2013-03-21 11:13:03 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: make me some tea: GOP strategy for success: move further to the right, allowing the Democrats to occupy both the center-right, center, center-left and left.

Eventually, they'll be spread so thin that they'll crack, breaking up into 4 smaller parties with the GOP winning a plurality.


I'm really just waiting for the Tea Party to crack off and fall away. Mainstream GOPers are still there, but they are shouted down by the loudmouths. They need to get a handle on that.
 
2013-03-21 11:28:29 AM  
www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-03-21 11:32:31 AM  

Weaver95: He goes into great detail in the post-mortem of the disastrous Mitt Romney campaign strategy and failure of the independent Super PACS to blunt the devious, dishonest and calculating campaign of the Obama cabal.

Obama just let Romney and his fellow Republicans talk in public.  that pretty much destroyed the GOP right there.  But I don't see how that's 'devious, dishonest and calculating'.


Things That Are The Black Guy's Fault:

1.  Mitt Romney pretending his tenure as Governor of Massachusetts didn't exist
2.  Mitt Romney refusing to release his tax returns
3.  Ann and Mitt's absurd attempts to claim they had a middle-class upbringing.
4.  Mitt Romney insulting nearly every country on his overseas goodwill tour
5.  Mitt Romney declaring 47% of Americans lazy moochers
 
2013-03-21 11:37:00 AM  

NateGrey: The Republican Civil War is going so slow.


I really want to see two GOP congresscritters get into a fistfight on Capitol Hill. At least something more than well-worn rhetoric. Throw us a farking bone already.
 
2013-03-21 11:41:12 AM  
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2013-03-21 11:42:33 AM  
Can we please stop with this? During this massive 'decline', the Dems have managed to hold the House, Senate and Presidency for all of 2 years.
 
2013-03-21 11:58:05 AM  
Things the GOP can still agree they are against:
1) blah people taking welfare
2) blah people taking Obama phones
3) blah people getting free houses
4) blah people have refrigerators and TVs
5) blah people buying gold teeth and chains
6) gay people taking our marriages
7) brown people taking our jorbs
8) women taking our salary gaps
9) women taking our domestic violence

In addition, propose the following:
1) every non-business owner or rich person is part of the moocher class
2) every business owner/rich person is overtaxed
3) every business is overregulated
4) every business is overtaxed
5) everyone making minimum wage is undertaxed
6) don't touch military spending, EVER.
7) increase revenues by cutting out any loopholes that help the lower/middle classes
8) shutter the Dept of Education and fix failing schools in urban areas by pushing more of the burden on citizens in those areas who can't even pay for food
9) don't let people sue businesses
10) gun violence is not because of guns but obviously the result of societal decline, you know like gay marriage and single mothers
 
2013-03-21 12:07:47 PM  

DamnYankees: Can we please stop with this? During this massive 'decline', the Dems have managed to hold the House, Senate and Presidency for all of 2 years.


Still a fair distance from where they were in the early 2000s, though.
 
2013-03-21 12:08:59 PM  
Mr. Wright accurately points out that the loss in 2012 had been in the works since 1992.  Why?  Primarily because this is when the establishment, made up of career politicians, deep pocket "country-club" Republicans, a newly emerging political consultant coterie, and an incestuous lobbyist cabal, abandoned Ronal Reagan and what he stood for.
Interesting that they never state what Ronal Reagan stood for in their opinion.
 
2013-03-21 12:10:28 PM  
FTFA:

Yet the Republican Establishment managed to lose to the worst and most vulnerable President in modern history, with historically poor approval ratings, unemployment averaging over 8.7% during his entire first term, a stagnant economy and someone who ran the smallest and most absurd of all possible re-election campaigns.

*citationneeded.jpg*
 
2013-03-21 12:11:45 PM  

DamnYankees: Can we please stop with this? During this massive 'decline', the Dems have managed to hold the House, Senate and Presidency for all of 2 years.


A party can go into a pretty damn steep decline without losing control of the House. See Party, Democratic 1968-1992
 
2013-03-21 12:14:05 PM  

doublesecretprobation: *citationneeded.jpg*


It's American Thinker - their references are their latest colonoscopy films, as always.
 
2013-03-21 12:14:37 PM  

qorkfiend: DamnYankees: Can we please stop with this? During this massive 'decline', the Dems have managed to hold the House, Senate and Presidency for all of 2 years.

Still a fair distance from where they were in the early 2000s, though.


Yes, the GOP held all three branches for 4 years. This is not a structural decline by either party - it's normal bouncing back and forth.

You want to see what it looks like when a party is in decline?

The 17th Senate  had 43 Dem-Reps and 9 Federalists.
The 39th Senate had 41 GOP and 9 Dems.
The 74th Senate had 73 Dems and 21 GOP.
The 89th Senate had 68 Dems and 32 GOP.

That's when you get structural reform. The idea that the GOP, which holds the House, has almost half the Senate and got 47% of the Presidential vote is in perpetual decline is farking absurd.
 
2013-03-21 12:14:41 PM  

doublesecretprobation: FTFA:

Yet the Republican Establishment managed to lose to the worst and most vulnerable President in modern history, with historically poor approval ratings, unemployment averaging over 8.7% during his entire first term, a stagnant economy and someone who ran the smallest and most absurd of all possible re-election campaigns.

*citationneeded.jpg*


Facts are for lie-beral sissies.  Real 'Mericans go from the gut.  That's why Romney won Ohio and Florida and Obamanomicon really lost the election by the lamestream MSM media wouldn't report on it.  Also voter fraud, because poor people/minorities/women/gay people were allowed to vote and that's just not what the Founding Fathers wanted.

/One of those statements was basically true...
 
2013-03-21 12:14:54 PM  
crap, if that's an american stinker headline, i can only assume the opposite is true and that the GOP is in ascendence.
 
2013-03-21 12:15:37 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: DamnYankees: Can we please stop with this? During this massive 'decline', the Dems have managed to hold the House, Senate and Presidency for all of 2 years.

A party can go into a pretty damn steep decline without losing control of the House. See Party, Democratic 1968-1992


Yes, they can. But anyone who says they can predict it 5 years in is showing a rather large amount of hubris.
 
2013-03-21 12:18:21 PM  

DamnYankees: Philip Francis Queeg: DamnYankees: Can we please stop with this? During this massive 'decline', the Dems have managed to hold the House, Senate and Presidency for all of 2 years.

A party can go into a pretty damn steep decline without losing control of the House. See Party, Democratic 1968-1992

Yes, they can. But anyone who says they can predict it 5 years in is showing a rather large amount of hubris.


Rove couldn't predict the outcome of the 2012 election 15 minutes after Obama won.
 
2013-03-21 12:18:56 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Rove couldn't predict the outcome of the 2012 election 15 minutes after Obama won.


Shazaam!
 
2013-03-21 12:21:28 PM  
assets.nydailynews.com

Rove has THE math.
 
2013-03-21 12:21:37 PM  

Weaver95: Obama just let Romney and his fellow Republicans talk in public.  that pretty much destroyed the GOP right there.  But I don't see how that's 'devious, dishonest and calculating'.


Obama's plan to force Romney into campaigning with Glenn Beck and Donald Trump probably hurt the party too. And don't even get me started on the Obamaphones ad Obama made him run.
 
2013-03-21 12:22:54 PM  
Yet the Republican Establishment managed to lose to the worst and most vulnerable President in modern history, with historically poor approval ratings

Hah, "historically poor approval ratings"?

Let's see.  Obama's lowest approval rating was 38%.  What was the lowest for the preceding presidents?

Bush Jr.: 25%  Huh... that shoots that statement in the foot.  With a .45.
Clinton: 37%
Bush Sr.: 29%
St. Reagan: 35%
Carter: 28%
Ford: 37%
Nixon: 24%
Johnson: 35%
Kennedy: 56%

So you have to go all the way back to Kennedy to find a president whose ratings didn't dip below Obama's 38%.  That's not a .45, that's a cannon.
 
2013-03-21 12:23:13 PM  
Not since 1984 and the landslide victory of Ronald Reagan have the Republicans had a more winnable election than the 2012 presidential election.

1988, 2000, and 2004 would respectfully disagree.
 
2013-03-21 12:24:01 PM  
<b>From TFA</b>:

<i>Mr. Wright accurately points out that there is no time for a third party as the damage inflicted by Barack Obama and his fellow travelers will soon metastasize into an inoperable cancer that will ultimately destroy the country. </i>

I LOLed.
 
2013-03-21 12:24:37 PM  
Republican Establishment managed to lose to the worst and most vulnerable President in modern history, with historically poor approval ratings, unemployment averaging over 8.7% during his entire first term, a stagnant economy and someone who ran the smallest and most absurd of all possible re-election campaigns.

Still in the echo chamber?

Rove is largely responsible for the fact that voters still blame Bush for the economy and still give no credit to Bush and Cheney for the eventual death of bin Laden.  Rove's previous strategies can also be linked to the belief that the Hurricane Katrina response, dominated by Democrats and bureaucrats, was somehow a systemic Republican management problem.  As 2012 played out and voters believed all these fictions,
 Yup, still there.
 
2013-03-21 12:25:06 PM  

CorporatePerson: Weaver95: Obama just let Romney and his fellow Republicans talk in public.  that pretty much destroyed the GOP right there.  But I don't see how that's 'devious, dishonest and calculating'.

Obama's plan to force Romney into campaigning with Glenn Beck and Donald Trump probably hurt the party too. And don't even get me started on the Obamaphones ad Obama made him run.


I love the fact that Limbaugh is RIGHT NOW digging the GOP into an even deeper hole by repeating the same tired old lies about Obama and the Democrats.
 
2013-03-21 12:25:38 PM  

DamnYankees: That's when you get structural reform. The idea that the GOP, which holds the House, has almost half the Senate and got 47% of the Presidential vote is in perpetual decline is farking absurd.


It's really fascinating actually. The GOP has a pretty strong and sizable faction that isn't going anywhere. Their biggest issue is they've alienated a very large percentage of the voting base enough to never vote for them (somewhere around ~45% would be my guess).

So to win a presidential election, the GOP really needs about 70 or 80% of the undecideds. Which is very tough to get. They can still have some success in the House and Senate as things are, but it will be very tough for them to elect a president without either an outstanding candidate or dramatic change within the party.
 
2013-03-21 12:26:59 PM  

NateGrey: The Republican Civil War is going so slow.


Hoveround Speed
 
2013-03-21 12:27:19 PM  

St_Francis_P: Weaver95: He goes into great detail in the post-mortem of the disastrous Mitt Romney campaign strategy and failure of the independent Super PACS to blunt the devious, dishonest and calculating campaign of the Obama cabal.

Obama just let Romney and his fellow Republicans talk in public.  that pretty much destroyed the GOP right there.  But I don't see how that's 'devious, dishonest and calculating'.

Really? Just like with the birth certificate birf circifacate, Obama tricked them into making fools of themselves. It's pretty plain.


Pet peeve.
 
2013-03-21 12:28:17 PM  

Supes: DamnYankees: That's when you get structural reform. The idea that the GOP, which holds the House, has almost half the Senate and got 47% of the Presidential vote is in perpetual decline is farking absurd.

It's really fascinating actually. The GOP has a pretty strong and sizable faction that isn't going anywhere. Their biggest issue is they've alienated a very large percentage of the voting base enough to never vote for them (somewhere around ~45% would be my guess).

So to win a presidential election, the GOP really needs about 70 or 80% of the undecideds. Which is very tough to get. They can still have some success in the House and Senate as things are, but it will be very tough for them to elect a president without either an outstanding candidate or dramatic change within the party.


I disagree. GOP easily can win the Presidency. Keep in mind that they have managed to get 46-47% of the vote despite (i) running during an economic catastrophe they caused, (ii) same with the wars, (iii) runnings against the best freaking campaigners any of us have ever seen and (iv) nominating Sarah Palin.

All you need is to get lucky with one charismatic candidate and an economic downturn - not even a major one.
 
2013-03-21 12:28:24 PM  
FTA: In his new WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again, C. Edmund Wright, a frequent contributor to the American Thinker website and senior consultant to the Winning Our Future Super PAC in 2012, clearly and cogently lays out not only the factors that resulted in the ignominious defeat of Mitt Romney, but the historical reasons behind the rise and fall of the Republican Establishment and it's consultant class.

The Senate was winnable for the GOP in the last two elections. In the past two elections the Teatards cost the republicans control of the Senate yet they're blaming Rove?
 
2013-03-21 12:29:05 PM  
The circular firing squad continues. Maybe you guys just need to "unskew" a few more polls.
 
2013-03-21 12:29:16 PM  
I'd like to get through one, just one, American Thinker thread without having to see Downs Syndrome Thinker. Just one.

It's getting old.
 
2013-03-21 12:29:56 PM  

DamnYankees: Supes: DamnYankees: That's when you get structural reform. The idea that the GOP, which holds the House, has almost half the Senate and got 47% of the Presidential vote is in perpetual decline is farking absurd.

It's really fascinating actually. The GOP has a pretty strong and sizable faction that isn't going anywhere. Their biggest issue is they've alienated a very large percentage of the voting base enough to never vote for them (somewhere around ~45% would be my guess).

So to win a presidential election, the GOP really needs about 70 or 80% of the undecideds. Which is very tough to get. They can still have some success in the House and Senate as things are, but it will be very tough for them to elect a president without either an outstanding candidate or dramatic change within the party.

I disagree. GOP easily can win the Presidency. Keep in mind that they have managed to get 46-47% of the vote despite (i) running during an economic catastrophe they caused, (ii) same with the wars, (iii) runnings against the best freaking campaigners any of us have ever seen and (iv) nominating Sarah Palin.

All you need is to get lucky with one charismatic candidate and an economic downturn - not even a major one.


Sure, and all I need for a date with Mila Kunis is to accidentally trip into her breasts.
 
2013-03-21 12:31:44 PM  
Came for a big bottle of refreshing conservative tears. Leaving disappointed.
 
2013-03-21 12:32:13 PM  
They propose that an establishment republican candidate ran too far to the left. and that the conservative base stayed home because thought McCain & Romney were so liberal that there was no appreciable difference between them and Obama.

Have they ever been able to point to a single person who did that?  If so, that doesn't speak well for their advertising, since they continually told their base that Obama wasn't even eligible and the next best thing to the AntiChrist.
 
2013-03-21 12:32:36 PM  

Karac: Not since 1984 and the landslide victory of Ronald Reagan have the Republicans had a more winnable election than the 2012 presidential election.

1988, 2000, and 2004 would respectfully disagree.


2000 was very close (as you may recall), and 2004 looked like slightly less of a toss-up. I think, unskewing the derp there, that he means 2012 should have been a walkover like '84, and was the best opportunity since then for the GOP to win a presidential election.

// Gore/Bush were polling evenly all the way through
// Kerry/Bush looked like it was Bush, but not by much, the whole way
// '88 was a trouncing, and everyone knew it was going to be
// I actually think the GOPs great "win" in the last 30 years was stocking state-level offices with derp in 30 states
 
2013-03-21 12:32:49 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: DamnYankees: Can we please stop with this? During this massive 'decline', the Dems have managed to hold the House, Senate and Presidency for all of 2 years.

A party can go into a pretty damn steep decline without losing control of the House. See Party, Democratic 1968-1992


Technically the Democrats had control all of 2 months, 1, Senator Franklin was finally sworn in from a long election contest, untill Kennedy died 2 months later.
 
2013-03-21 12:33:11 PM  

kumanoki: I'd like to get through one, just one, American Thinker thread without having to see Downs Syndrome Thinker. Just one.

It's getting old.


Blame American Thinker. They're the ones who keep vocalizing Downs Syndrome Thinker thoughts.
 
2013-03-21 12:33:20 PM  
Already green but an automatic downvote for American Stinker just on general principle.
 
2013-03-21 12:34:35 PM  

Supes: DamnYankees: That's when you get structural reform. The idea that the GOP, which holds the House, has almost half the Senate and got 47% of the Presidential vote is in perpetual decline is farking absurd.

It's really fascinating actually. The GOP has a pretty strong and sizable faction that isn't going anywhere. Their biggest issue is they've alienated a very large percentage of the voting base enough to never vote for them (somewhere around ~45% would be my guess).

So to win a presidential election, the GOP really needs about 70 or 80% of the undecideds. Which is very tough to get. They can still have some success in the House and Senate as things are, but it will be very tough for them to elect a president without either an outstanding candidate or dramatic change within the party.


This right here. They've pissed off everyone who isn't a rich, white, straight, evangelical sociopath. I'm shocked that they get more than 10-15% of the popular vote any more. That's basically just a reminder that a lot of horrible people live in the flyover states.
 
2013-03-21 12:36:08 PM  

PreMortem: I read that in a Shmeegol voice.


Strange, I read it in a Deagol voice.
 
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