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2013-03-21 02:38:03 PM

monoski: Dr Dreidel: monoski: A Dark Evil Omen: Sounds like a good program that should be copied across the country.

Maybe even expanded to other minor offenses like buying weed, public drunkenness etc...

Don't they usually do it for first-time "nuisance" offenses? I ...um, have a friend... who completed a drug diversion program to avoid trial/jail - charge was STETted, and as long as he's a good boy, the state won't ever speak of it again (and an expunging is n order when the time comes).

Though now I'm remembering something about how that option is more available to "the right kind", and generally not in inner-cities. (Though I am speaking from a position of near-ignorance outside of the specifics above.)

A friend of mine got 3 years for buying a bag of weed in NJ, first offense, sting operation where they had her meet them within 500 feet of a school. I guess not all states are so forgiving on first timers.


That doesn't appear to be the penalty for possession near a school.  That appears to be the penalty for distribution near a school.

Not saying your story isn't true, since it's not at all beyond possibility for someone who is purchasing to wind up with a distribution charge.  Just, ugh.
 
2013-03-21 02:47:18 PM
Huh, interesting timing, since I just got finished reading this excellent post about sex workers and how the "Anti" movement is doing it wrong:

What Antis Can Do to help, Part One: Aiding Those Still in the Industry
 
2013-03-21 02:54:09 PM

Dafatone: That doesn't appear to be the penalty for possession near a school. That appears to be the penalty for distribution near a school.

Not saying your story isn't true, since it's not at all beyond possibility for someone who is purchasing to wind up with a distribution charge. Just, ugh.


I have to admit I am only working from her side of the story. I have no idea if she actually bought enough to qualify for intent to distribute.
 
2013-03-21 02:54:23 PM
FTA: Once a month, cops pick up women who they either know to be prostitutes or who are soliciting sex and bring them to


So, cops can just "pick up" people who have crimes in their past, even if they are not committing any at the time?
 
2013-03-21 03:02:46 PM

Lionel Mandrake: cops pick up women who they either know to be prostitutes or who are soliciting sex and bring them to the lot behind McDonald's, where PDI offers women 45 days of live-in treatment, including trauma, substance abuse, and mental-health counseling, as well as help navigating social services, finding housing, and securing a job.

Sounds like mollycoddling criminal moochers to me.  They made their choice, let them live with it.  We shouldn't be giving them handouts.  Ayn Rand would not approve.

~this is what American "Christians" actually believe.


You know, while I think it's unfair to paint with so broad a brush, what *is* true is that there are a significant number of people who think the only valid way to enforce social policy is with guns, jails, or both. Anything -- literally anythying -- which expresses compassion or kindness is looked as as ineffectual and met with strong resistance.

I think that is what you were driving at. That there *are* policies which don't involve jails, tasers, or military invasions which are more effective than any of those at achieving policy goals.

Some people refuse to believe this. Those people are a problem.
 
2013-03-21 03:04:07 PM
Who wants to bet that this is all a cover for yet another prostitution operation, this time run by the cops themselves?
 
2013-03-21 03:14:47 PM
Lot Lizards are generally the bottom of the barrel when it comes to looks.
 
2013-03-21 03:15:11 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Or, you know, they could legalize and regulate prostitution which has been shown to lower crime rates, increase tax revenue, and reduce the spread of STDs.  Of course, doing that doesn't give them the opportunity to tell these women how horrible they are for being prostitutes.  If it doesn't punish or demonize women, minorities, or the poor, then it's not much of a solution, right America?


I hate to interrupt a man when he's on a good soapbox rant, but that wouldn't solve this problem.  Do you think the truck driver will drive miles out of his way to the legal brothel - if he can even park his rig there - and pay $40 or $50 for that legal beej?

Or will he continue to get the $10 beej from the crack whore waiting in the parking lot after he grabs a meal and a shower?

Will the crack whore decide to only work out of the legal brothel, and keep her shiat together enough to do so, or will she continue to offer the $10  beej in the truck stop parking lot?

While I agree legalization is helpful, you will still need this program.  And you need to start arresting the johns.  If a driver knew he faced a 30 day suspension of his commercial driver's license, he'd think twice.  Third strike, suspend it a year.  Reduce the demand.
 
2013-03-21 03:28:53 PM

factoryconnection: $4500 to rehab or $18,000 to imprison per year... hmmm...  And which one has a good chance of lowering recidivism?

Good job, Dallas, Texas.


If we legalized prostitution, prostitutes would become taxpayers.  Not only would it not cost us money, we'd make money.

I don't know what exactly there is to rehab here.  As a society we've decided you're allowed to have sex with random strangers, so that's okay.  So we're just rehabbing the taking of money bit?  Seems stupid.
 
2013-03-21 03:31:38 PM
This is the least effective government program since  the Iraq War.  We should have fought the whole thing with Pinkertons.  Suck it, ineffective government worker troops.
 
2013-03-21 03:36:16 PM
The program will last until a private prison corporation makes an offer that replaces the municipal/county jails and brings operating costs below that of rehabilitating these women.
 
2013-03-21 03:37:25 PM

lennavan: factoryconnection: $4500 to rehab or $18,000 to imprison per year... hmmm...  And which one has a good chance of lowering recidivism?

Good job, Dallas, Texas.

If we legalized prostitution, prostitutes would become taxpayers.  Not only would it not cost us money, we'd make money.

I don't know what exactly there is to rehab here.  As a society we've decided you're allowed to have sex with random strangers, so that's okay.  So we're just rehabbing the taking of money bit?  Seems stupid.


Because, according to TFA, most of them have drug problems or mental issues.
 
2013-03-21 03:40:08 PM
Tamara's forehead: Serious business.
 
2013-03-21 03:41:57 PM

Lionel Mandrake: shaken_not_stirred: See there, I can make up a straw man also, and mine is more colorful and hate deserving than yours.

Yeah, but the people I describe actually exist.  And they wield a lot of political influence.

But, other than that...yeah, sure, same thing.


So your position is that there is no such person as I have described?  They do not actually exist?

Welcome to FARK!  Get ready to have your mind rap...I mean, opened.
 
2013-03-21 03:42:02 PM

odinsposse: lennavan: factoryconnection: $4500 to rehab or $18,000 to imprison per year... hmmm...  And which one has a good chance of lowering recidivism?

Good job, Dallas, Texas.

If we legalized prostitution, prostitutes would become taxpayers.  Not only would it not cost us money, we'd make money.

I don't know what exactly there is to rehab here.  As a society we've decided you're allowed to have sex with random strangers, so that's okay.  So we're just rehabbing the taking of money bit?  Seems stupid.

Because, according to TFA, most of them have drug problems or mental issues.


It is fully possible to rehab drug or mental problems without also rehabbing taking money for sex.
 
2013-03-21 03:43:24 PM
lennavan

If we legalized prostitution, prostitutes would become taxpayers.  Not only would it not cost us money, we'd make money.

I don't know what exactly there is to rehab here.  As a society we've decided you're allowed to have sex with random strangers, so that's okay.  So we're just rehabbing the taking of money bit?  Seems stupid.


Prostitutes like the ones targeted at a truck stop are often victims.  These aren't high-price call girls or Nevada brothels.  These girls often wouldn't chose to be prostitutes.  Instead they're forced into the life through drugs, trafficking, and other forms of control.  Legalizing prostitution wouldn't help them, it would just keep them out of jail for a few nights.  They'd still be kept abused and afraid on the fringe of society.  Meanwhile the "legalize everything" crowd pats itself on the back.
 
2013-03-21 03:50:20 PM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Prostitutes like the ones targeted at a truck stop are often victims.


Victims who can't go to the cops for help because prostitution is illegal.

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Meanwhile the "legalize everything" crowd pats itself on the back.


Wow, how did my "sex for money should be legal" become "legalize everything?"

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Legalizing prostitution wouldn't help them


Nor would it hurt them.  There isn't a single good reason for prostitution to be illegal.

Inquisitive Inquisitor: drugs


A great reason to make the drugs you no doubt refer to illegal.

Inquisitive Inquisitor: trafficking


A great reason to make trafficking illegal.

Inquisitive Inquisitor: other forms of control


A great reason to make extortion, slavery and other forms of control illegal.  None of these are reasons to make prostitution illegal.  Legalizing prostitution won't bring peace in the Middle East either.  Do you think that is another reason why it should remain illegal?
 
2013-03-21 03:58:51 PM

lennavan: factoryconnection: $4500 to rehab or $18,000 to imprison per year... hmmm...  And which one has a good chance of lowering recidivism?

Good job, Dallas, Texas.

If we legalized prostitution, prostitutes would become taxpayers.  Not only would it not cost us money, we'd make money.

I don't know what exactly there is to rehab here.  As a society we've decided you're allowed to have sex with random strangers, so that's okay.  So we're just rehabbing the taking of money bit?  Seems stupid.


A woman is smaller than a man.  Her sexual role is more submissive than his.  So, for a female prostitute, her only protection against violent clients and clients who don't pay is a man.  The man could be a cruel pimp, a kind pimp, or, in the case of Amsterdam and Hamburg, it could be the city police.  If it's a pimp, he doesn't care where she goes or what she does as long as he gets a cut.  He will, however, prevent her from complaining to the authorities, taking away her rights.  If it is the police, they will confine her activity to a certain few city blocks, and the 'rent' for the 'bed' will be higher than it was.  In practice, few women want these "legitimate" jobs, especially not to put their face out there in the red light district.  In practice, the women in these jobs are illegal immigrants who fear deportation or retaliation from those who brought them, and therefore do not fully take advantage of the legal status afforded to their profession.
 
2013-03-21 04:01:31 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Are we sure this is the RIGHT Texas?


No kidding.  The governor of SD submitted and passed legislation to reform the prison system so that drug addicts, prostitutes, and mentally ill are put into treatment programs instead of jail.  Strange thing.
 
2013-03-21 04:02:25 PM
TFA:"No one prays over them or anything like that"

WTF does "prays over them" mean? Is that like someone standing over you and praying at you in a loud voice and, if so, is this a common practice with Texas Christians?
 
2013-03-21 04:06:29 PM

lennavan: Inquisitive Inquisitor: Prostitutes like the ones targeted at a truck stop are often victims.

Victims who can't go to the cops for help because prostitution is illegal.

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Meanwhile the "legalize everything" crowd pats itself on the back.

Wow, how did my "sex for money should be legal" become "legalize everything?"

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Legalizing prostitution wouldn't help them

Nor would it hurt them.  There isn't a single good reason for prostitution to be illegal.

Inquisitive Inquisitor: drugs

A great reason to make the drugs you no doubt refer to illegal.

Inquisitive Inquisitor: trafficking

A great reason to make trafficking illegal.

Inquisitive Inquisitor: other forms of control

A great reason to make extortion, slavery and other forms of control illegal.  None of these are reasons to make prostitution illegal.  Legalizing prostitution won't bring peace in the Middle East either.  Do you think that is another reason why it should remain illegal?


We should keep prostitution illegal because, while all women are whores, we shouldn't encourage it.

/Man, I felt dirty writing that.
 
2013-03-21 04:09:28 PM

GentDirkly: So, for a female prostitute, her only protection against violent clients and clients who don't pay is a man.


How the hell is a pimp a better form of protection than a gun?  If we're talking about legalized prostitution, how the hell is a pimp a better form of protection than calling the cops and pressing charges?

GentDirkly: If it is the police, they will confine her activity to a certain few city blocks


And?  Prostitution will be in restricted areas, therefore all women would go to pimps instead?  What a silly thing to think.

GentDirkly: and the 'rent' for the 'bed' will be higher than it was


You think taxes on prostitution will be higher than the cut a pimp takes?  This also is an amazingly silly thing to think but I'll happily take your citation.

GentDirkly: In practice, few women want these "legitimate" jobs, especially not to put their face out there in the red light district.


There are a lot of people currently working jobs they don't actually like or want.

GentDirkly: In practice, the women in these jobs are illegal immigrants who fear deportation or retaliation from those who brought them


A great reason to include illegal immigrants under the Violence Against Women Act.  There are a lot of illegal immigrants working in factories or on farms in shiatty conditions and whatnot who fear deportation or retaliation if they were to report it.  Should we outlaw working on farms and factories entirely?
 
2013-03-21 04:10:50 PM
Why is the truck stop hooker thread in Politics and the  happy hooker thread in Entertainment?

You Can't Explain That
 
2013-03-21 04:17:10 PM

lennavan: Inquisitive Inquisitor: Prostitutes like the ones targeted at a truck stop are often victims.

Victims who can't go to the cops for help because prostitution is illegal.

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Meanwhile the "legalize everything" crowd pats itself on the back.

Wow, how did my "sex for money should be legal" become "legalize everything?"

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Legalizing prostitution wouldn't help them

Nor would it hurt them.  There isn't a single good reason for prostitution to be illegal.

Inquisitive Inquisitor: drugs

A great reason to make the drugs you no doubt refer to illegal.

Inquisitive Inquisitor: trafficking

A great reason to make trafficking illegal.

Inquisitive Inquisitor: other forms of control

A great reason to make extortion, slavery and other forms of control illegal.  None of these are reasons to make prostitution illegal.  Legalizing prostitution won't bring peace in the Middle East either.  Do you think that is another reason why it should remain illegal?


Not sure if obtuse or trolling.
 
2013-03-21 04:22:04 PM

Lionel Mandrake: ~this is what American "Christians" actually believe.


No, it isn't. Quit being such an ass.
 
2013-03-21 04:31:07 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: TFA:"No one prays over them or anything like that"

WTF does "prays over them" mean? Is that like someone standing over you and praying at you in a loud voice and, if so, is this a common practice with Texas Christians?


You have never been in a disaster, fire, or crises and had some asshole Christian want to pray over you? You either have been very lucky or very sheltered. Hell the last time it happened it was a 90+ year old woman who wanted to pray over me after my dad died. I had some choice words for her, and then her son had some choice words for me.
 
2013-03-21 04:31:52 PM

GentDirkly: lennavan: factoryconnection: $4500 to rehab or $18,000 to imprison per year... hmmm...  And which one has a good chance of lowering recidivism?

Good job, Dallas, Texas.

If we legalized prostitution, prostitutes would become taxpayers.  Not only would it not cost us money, we'd make money.

I don't know what exactly there is to rehab here.  As a society we've decided you're allowed to have sex with random strangers, so that's okay.  So we're just rehabbing the taking of money bit?  Seems stupid.

A woman is smaller than a man.  Her sexual role is more submissive than his.  So, for a female prostitute, her only protection against violent clients and clients who don't pay is a man.  The man could be a cruel pimp, a kind pimp, or, in the case of Amsterdam and Hamburg, it could be the city police.  If it's a pimp, he doesn't care where she goes or what she does as long as he gets a cut.  He will, however, prevent her from complaining to the authorities, taking away her rights.  If it is the police, they will confine her activity to a certain few city blocks, and the 'rent' for the 'bed' will be higher than it was.  In practice, few women want these "legitimate" jobs, especially not to put their face out there in the red light district.  In practice, the women in these jobs are illegal immigrants who fear deportation or retaliation from those who brought them, and therefore do not fully take advantage of the legal status afforded to their profession.


This is, of course, why female realtors, caterers and interior designers have pimps.
 
2013-03-21 04:32:43 PM

Dr Dreidel: monoski: A friend of mine got 3 years for buying a bag of weed in NJ, first offense, sting operation where they had her meet them within 500 feet of a school. I guess not all states are so forgiving on first timers.

Sometimes, it depends on how big the bag is. The bag at issue in that case weighed in at 6.7g (he got slightly cheesed off at his dealer; he'd just paid for 7g). If it'd been 10g, he wouldn't have been eligible. Was your buddy buying a lot?

// also, NJ law might be different than MD
// I bet in Utah, they lop off a finger if you even browse Cheech & Chong CDs


Mega. Utahs not so bad. I got a $300 fine for possession and not even probation, though that was less than an eighth. I have a buddy who got busted with a quarter pound and he only got 6 months and a few years of probation.
 
2013-03-21 04:33:17 PM

Pokey.Clyde: Lionel Mandrake: ~this is what American "Christians" actually believe.

No, it isn't. Quit being such an ass.


You are right American Christians are a okay with prostitution as long as it is not gay prostitution or atheist prostitution then those farkers are going to hell. I know you probably don't want to hear this, but the view that all Christians are hate mongering assholes has stuck to the Christian label. Don't like then figure out a way to shut hope the hate mongers.
 
2013-03-21 04:35:44 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Tamara has oiled, straightened bangs and a serious forehead.

Wha?


I believe the word is "fivehead".


/I hear the prostitutes are much bigger in Texas...
 
2013-03-21 04:35:55 PM

shaken_not_stirred: Lionel Mandrake: shaken_not_stirred: See there, I can make up a straw man also, and mine is more colorful and hate deserving than yours.

Yeah, but the people I describe actually exist.  And they wield a lot of political influence.

But, other than that...yeah, sure, same thing.

So your position is that there is no such person as I have described?  They do not actually exist?

Welcome to FARK!  Get ready to have your mind rap...I mean, opened.


Yeah, sure, they exist in large numbers and have enormous political influence.  Whatever you say.
 
2013-03-21 04:36:49 PM

Pokey.Clyde: Lionel Mandrake: ~this is what American "Christians" actually believe.

No, it isn't. Quit being such an ass.


Hit a bit close to home?

Forgive me.
 
2013-03-21 04:38:37 PM
It costs $18,538 to house a convict in a Texas state prison for a year, according to the Texas Legislative Budget Board. It costs $4,300 a year to put her in rehab.

Rick Perry to defund this program in 4...3...2...
 
2013-03-21 04:38:38 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: cameroncrazy1984: Are we sure this is the RIGHT Texas?

Look, if I told you once, I told you a million times. Take a right when you hit Louisiana, left will just end you up in Alabama.

/You're coming by way of Mississippi River paddleboat, like everyone else, yeah?


This only makes sense if you assume they drive straight through Mississippi without stopping.
Which is the best way to handle Mississippi.

/carry on
 
2013-03-21 04:39:37 PM

xanadian: Now *that* is policing done right!  Not perfect, but a damn good start.


This.

GentDirkly: lennavan: factoryconnection: $4500 to rehab or $18,000 to imprison per year... hmmm...  And which one has a good chance of lowering recidivism?

Good job, Dallas, Texas.

If we legalized prostitution, prostitutes would become taxpayers.  Not only would it not cost us money, we'd make money.

I don't know what exactly there is to rehab here.  As a society we've decided you're allowed to have sex with random strangers, so that's okay.  So we're just rehabbing the taking of money bit?  Seems stupid.

A woman is smaller than a man.  Her sexual role is more submissive than his.  So, for a female prostitute, her only protection against violent clients and clients who don't pay is a man.  The man could be a cruel pimp, a kind pimp, or, in the case of Amsterdam and Hamburg, it could be the city police.


farm1.staticflickr.com
 
2013-03-21 04:41:05 PM
I think prostitution should be legal and licensed, and I think this sort of intervention should be mandatory. Along with STD checks.
 
2013-03-21 04:42:59 PM

BSABSVR: A woman is smaller than a man. Her sexual role is more submissive than his. So, for a female prostitute, her only protection against violent clients and clients who don't pay is a man. The man could be a cruel pimp, a kind pimp, or, in the case of Amsterdam and Hamburg, it could be the city police. If it's a pimp, he doesn't care where she goes or what she does as long as he gets a cut. He will, however, prevent her from complaining to the authorities, taking away her rights. If it is the police, they will confine her activity to a certain few city blocks, and the 'rent' for the 'bed' will be higher than it was. In practice, few women want these "legitimate" jobs, especially not to put their face out there in the red light district. In practice, the women in these jobs are illegal immigrants who fear deportation or retaliation from those who brought them, and therefore do not fully take advantage of the legal status afforded to their profession.

This is, of course, why female realtors, caterers and interior designers have pimps.


There is the little difference between your analogy and reality where prostitutes deal exclusively with criminals since their profession requires that both participants commit a crime each time they do it.  If you were a realtor and you sold ONLY to drug dealers and pimps, you might want to keep a little protection on you.
 
2013-03-21 04:45:37 PM

factoryconnection: $4500 to rehab or $18,000 to imprison per year... hmmm...  And which one has a good chance of lowering recidivism?


You're ignoring some other possibilities to fix that statistic ... spending less on jailing inmates at the expense of prisoner's safety/health is always another option.
 
2013-03-21 04:52:59 PM

Lionel Mandrake: cops pick up women who they either know to be prostitutes or who are soliciting sex and bring them to the lot behind McDonald's, where PDI offers women 45 days of live-in treatment, including trauma, substance abuse, and mental-health counseling, as well as help navigating social services, finding housing, and securing a job.

Sounds like mollycoddling criminal moochers to me.  They made their choice, let them live with it.  We shouldn't be giving them handouts.  Ayn Rand would not approve.

~this is what American "Christians" actually believe.



There are church ladies camped out here, too. They bring a hot meal. "No one prays over them or anything like that," says Breazeale, who is now PDI's executive director. "The point is to help them begin the exit process and get services that night."
 
2013-03-21 04:54:03 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Lionel Mandrake: cops pick up women who they either know to be prostitutes or who are soliciting sex and bring them to the lot behind McDonald's, where PDI offers women 45 days of live-in treatment, including trauma, substance abuse, and mental-health counseling, as well as help navigating social services, finding housing, and securing a job.

Sounds like mollycoddling criminal moochers to me.  They made their choice, let them live with it.  We shouldn't be giving them handouts.  Ayn Rand would not approve.

~this is what American "Christians" actually believe.


There are church ladies camped out here, too. They bring a hot meal. "No one prays over them or anything like that," says Breazeale, who is now PDI's executive director. "The point is to help them begin the exit process and get services that night."


I read the article.  But, thank you.
 
2013-03-21 04:55:26 PM
 "Tamara* started selling sex at age 20. "You just kinda fall into it," she says. "

 Tamara* could use some help with her sales technique

 /or supply a length of 2 x 4 to clients
// find my keys and we'll drive out!
 
2013-03-21 04:56:31 PM

Lionel Mandrake: cops pick up women who they either know to be prostitutes or who are soliciting sex and bring them to the lot behind McDonald's, where PDI offers women 45 days of live-in treatment, including trauma, substance abuse, and mental-health counseling, as well as help navigating social services, finding housing, and securing a job.

Sounds like mollycoddling criminal moochers to me.  They made their choice, let them live with it.  We shouldn't be giving them handouts.  Ayn Rand would not approve.

~this is what American "Christians" actually believe.


Meanwhile, there are actual Christians there helping to give these women food and clothes on the spot. The article called them "church ladies" and said none of them were praying over the sex workers, just providing services to make them more comfortable. I am not a "church lady," but I am awfully glad there are women out there like these church ladies.

/woman
//not very ladyish
///don't go to church
 
2013-03-21 05:22:30 PM

spiderpaz: BSABSVR: A woman is smaller than a man. Her sexual role is more submissive than his. So, for a female prostitute, her only protection against violent clients and clients who don't pay is a man. The man could be a cruel pimp, a kind pimp, or, in the case of Amsterdam and Hamburg, it could be the city police. If it's a pimp, he doesn't care where she goes or what she does as long as he gets a cut. He will, however, prevent her from complaining to the authorities, taking away her rights. If it is the police, they will confine her activity to a certain few city blocks, and the 'rent' for the 'bed' will be higher than it was. In practice, few women want these "legitimate" jobs, especially not to put their face out there in the red light district. In practice, the women in these jobs are illegal immigrants who fear deportation or retaliation from those who brought them, and therefore do not fully take advantage of the legal status afforded to their profession.

This is, of course, why female realtors, caterers and interior designers have pimps.

There is the little difference between your analogy and reality where prostitutes deal exclusively with criminals since their profession requires that both participants commit a crime each time they do it.  If you were a realtor and you sold ONLY to drug dealers and pimps, you might want to keep a little protection on you.


So then we should legalize prostitution to make it safer.  That way prostitutes won't be dealing exclusively with criminals anymore.  Right?
 
2013-03-21 05:34:52 PM

lennavan: spiderpaz: BSABSVR: A woman is smaller than a man. Her sexual role is more submissive than his. So, for a female prostitute, her only protection against violent clients and clients who don't pay is a man. The man could be a cruel pimp, a kind pimp, or, in the case of Amsterdam and Hamburg, it could be the city police. If it's a pimp, he doesn't care where she goes or what she does as long as he gets a cut. He will, however, prevent her from complaining to the authorities, taking away her rights. If it is the police, they will confine her activity to a certain few city blocks, and the 'rent' for the 'bed' will be higher than it was. In practice, few women want these "legitimate" jobs, especially not to put their face out there in the red light district. In practice, the women in these jobs are illegal immigrants who fear deportation or retaliation from those who brought them, and therefore do not fully take advantage of the legal status afforded to their profession.

This is, of course, why female realtors, caterers and interior designers have pimps.

There is the little difference between your analogy and reality where prostitutes deal exclusively with criminals since their profession requires that both participants commit a crime each time they do it.  If you were a realtor and you sold ONLY to drug dealers and pimps, you might want to keep a little protection on you.

So then we should legalize prostitution to make it safer.  That way prostitutes won't be dealing exclusively with criminals anymore.  Right?


obviously
 
2013-03-21 05:38:00 PM

spiderpaz: There is the little difference between your analogy and reality where prostitutes deal exclusively with criminals since their profession requires that both participants commit a crime each time they do it. If you were a realtor and you sold ONLY to drug dealers and pimps, you might want to keep a little protection on you.


Perhaps you should revisit why I made that analogy.
 
2013-03-21 05:46:41 PM

Lionel Mandrake: cops pick up women who they either know to be prostitutes or who are soliciting sex and bring them to the lot behind McDonald's, where PDI offers women 45 days of live-in treatment, including trauma, substance abuse, and mental-health counseling, as well as help navigating social services, finding housing, and securing a job.

Sounds like mollycoddling criminal moochers to me.  They made their choice, let them live with it.  We shouldn't be giving them handouts.  Ayn Rand would not approve.

~this is what American "Christians" actually believe.


This is what libtards actually believe.
 
2013-03-21 06:14:57 PM

DeaH: Lionel Mandrake: cops pick up women who they either know to be prostitutes or who are soliciting sex and bring them to the lot behind McDonald's, where PDI offers women 45 days of live-in treatment, including trauma, substance abuse, and mental-health counseling, as well as help navigating social services, finding housing, and securing a job.

Sounds like mollycoddling criminal moochers to me.  They made their choice, let them live with it.  We shouldn't be giving them handouts.  Ayn Rand would not approve.

~this is what American "Christians" actually believe.

Meanwhile, there are actual Christians there helping to give these women food and clothes on the spot. The article called them "church ladies" and said none of them were praying over the sex workers, just providing services to make them more comfortable. I am not a "church lady," but I am awfully glad there are women out there like these church ladies.

/woman
//not very ladyish
///don't go to church


Well, isn't that SPECIAL?
 
2013-03-21 06:50:32 PM

lennavan: DeaH: Lionel Mandrake: cops pick up women who they either know to be prostitutes or who are soliciting sex and bring them to the lot behind McDonald's, where PDI offers women 45 days of live-in treatment, including trauma, substance abuse, and mental-health counseling, as well as help navigating social services, finding housing, and securing a job.

Sounds like mollycoddling criminal moochers to me.  They made their choice, let them live with it.  We shouldn't be giving them handouts.  Ayn Rand would not approve.

~this is what American "Christians" actually believe.

Meanwhile, there are actual Christians there helping to give these women food and clothes on the spot. The article called them "church ladies" and said none of them were praying over the sex workers, just providing services to make them more comfortable. I am not a "church lady," but I am awfully glad there are women out there like these church ladies.

/woman
//not very ladyish
///don't go to church

Well, isn't that SPECIAL?


Heh. Didn't even make that connection.
 
2013-03-21 07:16:11 PM

MisterRonbo: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Or, you know, they could legalize and regulate prostitution which has been shown to lower crime rates, increase tax revenue, and reduce the spread of STDs.  Of course, doing that doesn't give them the opportunity to tell these women how horrible they are for being prostitutes.  If it doesn't punish or demonize women, minorities, or the poor, then it's not much of a solution, right America?

I hate to interrupt a man when he's on a good soapbox rant, but that wouldn't solve this problem.  Do you think the truck driver will drive miles out of his way to the legal brothel - if he can even park his rig there - and pay $40 or $50 for that legal beej?

Or will he continue to get the $10 beej from the crack whore waiting in the parking lot after he grabs a meal and a shower?

Will the crack whore decide to only work out of the legal brothel, and keep her shiat together enough to do so, or will she continue to offer the $10  beej in the truck stop parking lot?

While I agree legalization is helpful, you will still need this program.  And you need to start arresting the johns.  If a driver knew he faced a 30 day suspension of his commercial driver's license, he'd think twice.  Third strike, suspend it a year.  Reduce the demand.


Just wanted to make sure your sane comment doesn't get lost in the derp of the thread.  You are right on the money with this.  A pure legalization stance doesn't do it.  You still need diversion for the prostitutes and punishment of the johns who go outside the legal channels.
 
2013-03-21 07:40:39 PM

Cheron: He arrested her, put her in a car, and drove her out to an empty lot behind a McDonald's near where I-45 hits I-20.

Sounds like the opening line of a serial killer novel


Read the line and expected it to be followed up by the cop raping her, kicking her out, and she "found herself" to get the other prostitutes on another path.
 
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