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(The Daily Caller)   A new bill would require government employees be fired if they owe back taxes. Democrats on the committee opposed the bill. Hmm, wonder why?   (dailycaller.com) divider line 217
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2013-03-21 09:23:19 AM

Muta: The governor of Michigan appointed a manager for the city of Detroit.  Within hours it is discovered he had a lien against his home because of unpaid taxes.  Snyder quickly released a statement saying the unpaid taxes weren't a big deal.  Moral of the story, it is OK if republicans do it.


What, you don't want an emergency financial manager who can't handle his own finances?
 
2013-03-21 09:23:27 AM
Active duty military, veterans affairs workers, and postal service workers are the biggest offenders with $100 million, $150 million, and $270 million owed, respectively.

Sad that this guy is proposing laying off our troops and those helping our troops recover.
 
2013-03-21 09:25:10 AM
Create'n them jobs.
 
2013-03-21 09:27:23 AM
Leona Helmsley agrees. Besides, taxes are for little people.
 
2013-03-21 09:30:30 AM
Wait, I thought the GOP was against taxes altogether?  Oh, right, for the upper crust.  Sorry plebef*cks!  You gonna get raped (by the GOP SS IRS boogeyman)!
 
2013-03-21 09:33:54 AM

Fark It: I think it's a better idea to garnish their wages....


IRS already has the mechanisms/authority to do that.  Stupid Bill.
 
2013-03-21 09:36:07 AM
I guess owing back child support is okay though?
 
2013-03-21 09:39:04 AM
I think something is wrong with me because I'm kind of OK with this. Granted, I think there should be some exceptions such as military and you should get a warning first for any bills you didn't realize were outstanding. But if you're in a job that's really really hard to get fired from and getting a good government pension when you retire, you should be paying into the system.
 
2013-03-21 09:40:18 AM

killershark: I think something is wrong with me because I'm kind of OK with this. Granted, I think there should be some exceptions such as military and you should get a warning first for any bills you didn't realize were outstanding. But if you're in a job that's really really hard to get fired from and getting a good government pension when you retire, you should be paying into the system.


The IRS can garnish your wages.  Non-issue.
 
2013-03-21 09:40:49 AM
Wait, can't they combine anti-abortion legislation and this bill?  Maybe instead of being fired or a wage garnishment, why not incentivize having children rather than an abortion by waving tax debt or at least decreasing the burden?  Or perhaps a guns for cash type turn-in program - hand in all your rubbers, birth control pills and morning after pills in exchange for tax debt relief.  Yeah, that's the ticket!
 
2013-03-21 09:41:48 AM

ginandbacon: Because it's retarded?


Makes almost as much sense as suspending the professional and/or driver's license of people who are behind in child support payments.
 
2013-03-21 09:42:15 AM

steverockson: I guess owing back child support is okay though?


Your newsletter. I wish to subscribe to it.
 
2013-03-21 09:43:09 AM
BECAUSE DEMOCRATS AND TAXES, YOU SEE
 
2013-03-21 09:43:55 AM
Let's do this with teachers too!  If they can't do the maths, then they shouldn't be teaching our kids!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-21 09:48:34 AM
Let me put on my derping cap and try to explain the logic behind this.

Government employees don't really pay taxes since the money just goes back to them in the form of their salary and benefits.  If they owe back taxes they are effectively stealing from the private sector and people with real jobs.  Since any back taxes that they owe would be dwarfed by the future costs of their salary and benefits, firing them is a net win.

Arguing that they won't be able to pay their back taxes if they are fired is like arguing over a leaking faucet on a sinking ship.
 
2013-03-21 09:50:43 AM

cannibalparrot: Does it still make sense when you consider the fact that back taxes could be owed due to an innocent mistake?

/dnrtfa
//not giving that bowtie-wearin' jackhole clicks


Well, had you read the article, you would know starting the process to contest the taxes would shield you from the firing.
 
m00
2013-03-21 10:00:48 AM
Aren't Republicans against taxes?
 
2013-03-21 10:00:57 AM

Richard Saunders: ginandbacon: Because it's retarded?

Makes almost as much sense as suspending the professional and/or driver's license of people who are behind in child support payments.


Yeah, that's pretty retarded too.
 
2013-03-21 10:03:43 AM

manimal2878: Meh.  Kind of makes sense to me.  Your job is funded by taxes, if you aren't paying them too, that's kind of hypocritical.

Makes me think of the Tea Party types that I work with, (I work in a .gov position)  they should also be fired or at least have the self awareness to quit.


Owing back taxes doesn't mean tax evasion. People who owe back taxes are still paying them usually in installments plus interest.
 
2013-03-21 10:05:59 AM

manimal2878: cannibalparrot: Does it still make sense when you consider the fact that back taxes could be owed due to an innocent mistake?

/dnrtfa
//not giving that bowtie-wearin' jackhole clicks

Well, had you read the article, you would know starting the process to contest the taxes would shield you from the firing.


Yeah, that's great and all, but what if the taxes are legitimate, and the only issue is the taxpayer transposed two numbers 3 years back?  Should he be fired?
 
2013-03-21 10:10:25 AM

PreMortem: Cummings said. "It is much, much, much more difficult to recoup the delinquent taxes from someone who is unemployed."

Common sense?


stephaniefusco.com

You're arguing with a chair.
 
2013-03-21 10:11:02 AM

Great_Milenko: Republicans never do anything anymore that doesn't have some ulterior motive, and they certainly never do anything just because it makes sense. There has to be some particular person (read: Democrat) who has a forgotten property tax bill out there somewhere. This is targeted legislation.


Geithner and...someone else (Holder?) were high-profile appointees that had something like $7,000 in unpaid taxes. When it came to light, they paid what they owed in full (pre-confirmation IIRC), but the GOP doesn't think that's fair.

manimal2878: Makes me think of the Tea Party types that I work with, (I work in a .gov position) they should also be fired or at least have the self awareness to quit.


I work with 2 - two! - such types, a libertarian and an anarchist, on a government-funded project (but we all work for a contractor, not the Feds directly). As in "there are government officials in our office/business group, we're paid via Congressional appropriations and we're subject to government contracting rules and oversight", and yet these guys who can't stand the idea of government big or small are overjoyed at earning their paycheck from it.
 
2013-03-21 10:11:51 AM

killershark: I think something is wrong with me because I'm kind of OK with this. Granted, I think there should be some exceptions


When exceptions come into the picture, it makes it all the more stupid. The "exceptions" will be the bill's author, his family and friends, his colleagues and their families and friends, anyone who donates to his campaign, anyone who has money, anyone who wants to sleep with someone, blah blah. No exceptions.
 
2013-03-21 10:12:05 AM

cannibalparrot: manimal2878: cannibalparrot: Does it still make sense when you consider the fact that back taxes could be owed due to an innocent mistake?

/dnrtfa
//not giving that bowtie-wearin' jackhole clicks

Well, had you read the article, you would know starting the process to contest the taxes would shield you from the firing.

Yeah, that's great and all, but what if the taxes are legitimate, and the only issue is the taxpayer transposed two numbers 3 years back?  Should he be fired?


You god damn right he should be fired.  And then he can't pay those taxes for one, and second, he'll be drawing social services.  His wife will leave him.  His car will get repo'ed.  He'll default on his mortgage.  It's all good fun and games against the little guy because of a very minor f*ck up years ago - that'll learn 'em!
 
2013-03-21 10:14:07 AM
I bet the prison-industrial complex is salivating over this bill.
 
2013-03-21 10:15:46 AM
Democrats should add an amendment to block government contracts with companies that owe taxes, or better yet, with companies that don't pay any taxes. This thing would be tabled in record time.
 
2013-03-21 10:16:21 AM
This makes total sense when you first hear it but as soon as you think about it at all, you realize just how stoopid it is. Which is actually a step in the right direction for the Tea Party crowd, normally their shiat is immediately terrible.

/Keep on reaching for that potatoe, boys!!
 
2013-03-21 10:17:12 AM

Epicfarker: Democrats should add an amendment to block government contracts with companies that owe taxes, or better yet, with companies that don't pay any taxes. This thing would be tabled in record time.


Then who would they get their kickbacks from?
 
2013-03-21 10:17:50 AM

tagkc: Anyone want to bet that members of Congress would be exempt from this?


I believe they'd be exempt by default. Representatives aren't hired, they're elected. There's a process for removing them from office, but I don't think they can be fired the way someone with a regular job can be.
 
2013-03-21 10:18:36 AM

coeyagi: cannibalparrot: manimal2878: cannibalparrot: Does it still make sense when you consider the fact that back taxes could be owed due to an innocent mistake?

/dnrtfa
//not giving that bowtie-wearin' jackhole clicks

Well, had you read the article, you would know starting the process to contest the taxes would shield you from the firing.

Yeah, that's great and all, but what if the taxes are legitimate, and the only issue is the taxpayer transposed two numbers 3 years back?  Should he be fired?

You god damn right he should be fired.  And then he can't pay those taxes for one, and second, he'll be drawing social services.  His wife will leave him.  His car will get repo'ed.  He'll default on his mortgage.  It's all good fun and games against the little guy because of a very minor f*ck up years ago - that'll learn 'em!


The sad thing is, I know people that would say this because "fark that guy!"

Despite the fact that the ripple effects will end up screwing him over somehow (just not all that noticably).
 
2013-03-21 10:19:46 AM
I got an email saying that federal employees are exempt from paying taxes and that congresspeople and their families don't have to repay student loans. This bill is pointless

/seriously, meh
 
2013-03-21 10:20:45 AM

James F. Campbell: I bet the prison-industrial complex is salivating over this bill.


why? We don't have debtors prison anymore. Unfortunately.
 
2013-03-21 10:30:06 AM

skullkrusher: James F. Campbell: I bet the prison-industrial complex is salivating over this bill.

why? We don't have debtors prison anymore. Unfortunately.


Hey, you're right! It's time we returned to our traditional roots of imprisoning regular citizens who are in debt, instead of coddling them by designing an entire economic system to gradually leech away their earnings and labor over a lifetime and funneling it to the wealthy and powerful.

Now punch yourself in the balls and explain to the class why you're an idiot.
 
2013-03-21 10:30:15 AM
I dunno, subby, is it anything like Republicans opposed to making Congressional insider trading illegal?
 
2013-03-21 10:31:17 AM

geek_mars: tagkc: Anyone want to bet that members of Congress would be exempt from this?

I believe they'd be exempt by default. Representatives aren't hired, they're elected. There's a process for removing them from office, but I don't think they can be fired the way someone with a regular job can be.


Well here in Illinois if you owe back child support you can hold a state job, but congressmen are exempt from that as we found out with Congressman Child Support.
 
2013-03-21 10:31:25 AM

HotWingConspiracy: So removing earning power from someone that owes money is a good idea because...well shiat some teabagger is going to have to walk me through this.


Because socialism, duh.
 
2013-03-21 10:33:48 AM

Lochsteppe: skullkrusher: James F. Campbell: I bet the prison-industrial complex is salivating over this bill.

why? We don't have debtors prison anymore. Unfortunately.

Hey, you're right! It's time we returned to our traditional roots of imprisoning regular citizens who are in debt, instead of coddling them by designing an entire economic system to gradually leech away their earnings and labor over a lifetime and funneling it to the wealthy and powerful.

Now punch yourself in the balls and explain to the class why you're an idiot.


why stop there? Workhouses for the poor!

/Poe's Law isn't an excuse for being gullible and lazy
 
2013-03-21 10:34:13 AM
Will that include congressmen/woman and senators as well as their staff?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/irs-federal-workers/in de x.html
 
2013-03-21 10:34:29 AM
it's great if spiteful counter-productive retribution is more important to you than collecting the money owed...I can see why the GOP likes this.

/never ever vote GOP....ever.
 
2013-03-21 10:34:30 AM

HotWingConspiracy: So removing earning power from someone that owes money is a good idea because...well shiat some teabagger is going to have to walk me through this.


That's easy. They will still be eligible for a lucrative career in the fast food industry, freeing a fry cook to work in government.
 
2013-03-21 10:35:38 AM
A Republican doing something about people not paying taxes and a Democrat fighting for those who dont pay their taxes? What is this, reverse day?
 
2013-03-21 10:36:09 AM

skullkrusher: James F. Campbell: I bet the prison-industrial complex is salivating over this bill.

why? We don't have debtors prison anymore. Unfortunately.


Fear not.



Fear not.

Debtor prisons, once a relic of the 18th century, are making a frightening comeback in the U.S. justice system
 
2013-03-21 10:36:19 AM
Well, we've gotta fill those debtors' prisons somehow.
 
2013-03-21 10:38:05 AM

cman: A Republican doing something about people not paying taxes and a Democrat fighting for those who dont pay their taxes? What is this, reverse day?


How would firing people who owe money help them pay back their debt? This idea is lightyears away from "doing something".
 
2013-03-21 10:38:29 AM

mrshowrules: killershark: I think something is wrong with me because I'm kind of OK with this. Granted, I think there should be some exceptions such as military and you should get a warning first for any bills you didn't realize were outstanding. But if you're in a job that's really really hard to get fired from and getting a good government pension when you retire, you should be paying into the system.

The IRS can garnish your wages.  Non-issue.


I fail to see how a little sprig of parsley will help.
 
2013-03-21 10:39:03 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: James F. Campbell: I bet the prison-industrial complex is salivating over this bill.

why? We don't have debtors prison anymore. Unfortunately.

Fear not.

Fear not.

Debtor prisons, once a relic of the 18th century, are making a frightening comeback in the U.S. justice system


that's a bit different
 
2013-03-21 10:40:49 AM

EyeballKid: HotWingConspiracy: So removing earning power from someone that owes money is a good idea because...well shiat some teabagger is going to have to walk me through this.

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I assume this deadbeat who's yet to pay up on his taxes supports this fullheartedly, and would be happy to explain.


If you told me 5 years ago that that douchebag's face and name would still mean anything in society today, I'd have punched you in the goddamn throat.
And by "you", I mean "him". whaddadoosh.
 
2013-03-21 10:41:31 AM

qorkfiend: cman: A Republican doing something about people not paying taxes and a Democrat fighting for those who dont pay their taxes? What is this, reverse day?

How would firing people who owe money help them pay back their debt? This idea is lightyears away from "doing something".


Taking a shiat in a stairwell is technically "doing something".
This idea isn't quite as productive as shiatting up a stairwell, but it is something.

/The GOP: if it wasn't for bad ideas we wouldn't have any at all.
 
2013-03-21 10:41:57 AM

manimal2878: Meh.  Kind of makes sense to me.  Your job is funded by taxes, if you aren't paying them too, that's kind of hypocritical.



So, if they are no longer working, they can pay off their debt...how?
 
2013-03-21 10:42:15 AM

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: James F. Campbell: I bet the prison-industrial complex is salivating over this bill.

why? We don't have debtors prison anymore. Unfortunately.

Fear not.

Fear not.

Debtor prisons, once a relic of the 18th century, are making a frightening comeback in the U.S. justice system

that's a bit different


Not regressive enough for you?
 
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