dr_blasto: The question that remains is "why?"
EvilEgg: I fail to see how anyone cannot regard this adventure as a mistake. We went to find WMDs, we didn't find any. That is a mistake.The only real question, if there is one, is what kind of mistake was it? Was a intelligence mistake, a diplomatic mistake, or a political mistake.
randomjsa: 25 million people are free now live under the fear of an Islamic government that is backed by Iran and the world is a better Middle East is an even more unstable place.
thecpt: Found this interesting:The same March survey finds 57% of Americans saying the Vietnam War -- which resulted in the most U.S. casualties of the three recent wars -- was a mistake, but that is down from 69% in Nov 2010.Also, looking at the elderly opinions on war is interesting. They seem to be the most pacifistic, probably because it has nothing to do with their lawn.
thecpt: jso2897: I don't tell war stories, and I never will. Sorry to disappoint you.definitely not asking for war stories, just why you don't think it was to stop the spread of communism. (seriously, every history book tries to say that. not saying you're wrong, just asking what kind of racket you think it was)
rjkline: amazing how liberals have been proven wrong in almost everything they get their skirts up about after a little time passes...........just a sad group of proven losers.......almost funny
weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 504x351]
This text is now purple: cirrhosis_and_halitosis: Three letters:O....I.....LThis phrase is a useful trigger for determining who in the thread is part of the derp brigade.What country do you think trades internationally for Iraqi oil the most?
TheShavingofOccam123: Thousands of Americans volunteered to go kill the men who murdered thousands of Americans on 9-11. Instead they were sent by oil men to fight an oil war.I'd call that a crime. And America let those rich oil men do it. I'd call that a crime, too.
Silverstaff: It was a goddamn trillion dollar mistake. If we'd taken that trillion dollars and spent it on other things we could have had a farking moonbase, men on Mars, a vastly updated and upgraded transportation and communications infrastructure, totally overhauled and upgraded public schools, and the best healthcare system on the planet. . .instead we got debt, a looted war-torn crater where Iraq was, defense contractors lining their pockets, and thousands upon thousands of bodies.
jso2897: Also, there's the direct knowledge factor - I , for instance, got drafted in 1968. Nobody will ever be able to fool me that the Vietnam war was anything but a racket.
purdeyisa10: jso2897: thecpt: jso2897: I don't tell war stories, and I never will. Sorry to disappoint you.definitely not asking for war stories, just why you don't think it was to stop the spread of communism. (seriously, every history book tries to say that. not saying you're wrong, just asking what kind of racket you think it was)You seem to have very poor reading comprehension. I thought I made it clear that I perceive you as a troll, who is trying to draw me into a conversation that had already bored me to tears by the late 1960s.If you really believe in the veracity of meaningless strings of bullshiat like "stop the spread of communism", you are beyond any intellectual help I can provide you. I can recommend two things to you:1. Read "War is a Racket" by Major General Smedley Butler.2. Kindly have the good manners to f**k off, and leave me alone, as I have already made it clear that I wish you to do. I'm an old man who is tired of wars, and the lies that are told to trick people into them. Go pester somebody else.When Gen Butler earned the two Medals of Honor, it was for fighting in Veracruz Mexico and Haiti. I wonder how many people alive today even knew we had troops fighting in those areas?
DamnYankees: I mean, I could go down the list and continue on, but you get the point. I was wrong about EVERY. GOD. DAMNED. THING. It is amazing I could tie my shoes in 2001-2004. If you took all the wrongness I generated, put it together and compacted it and processed it, there would be enough concentrated stupid to fuel three hundred years of Weekly Standard journals. I am not sure how I snapped out of it, but I think Abu Ghraib and the negative impact of the insurgency did sober me up a bit.War should always be an absolute last resort, not just another option. I will never make the same mistakes again.
Thunderpipes: Hitler didn't attack us either. Maybe we should have not gotten involved.Liberals, imagine them in charge during WWII? Fark would be rallying behind Hitler, after all, he didn't like Jews either.
ReapTheChaos: "Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted March 7-10, 2013, on the Gallup Daily tracking survey, with a random sample of 1,022 adults."This is why I never believe anything claimed in a poll, 1,022 out of 314 million is hardly what I would call an accurate sampling.
rjkline: words which add nothing to the discussion
InfrasonicTom: Close2TheEdge: The Muthaship: Got rid of Saddam, and gave them a chance to have a country governed in whatever way the people want. Awful.Which likely would have happened by itself without the cost of BILLIONS of dollars and THOUSANDS of lives.Yes, it was awful.You misspelled TRILLIONS
dr_blasto: EvilEgg: I fail to see how anyone cannot regard this adventure as a mistake. We went to find WMDs, we didn't find any. That is a mistake.The only real question, if there is one, is what kind of mistake was it? Was a intelligence mistake, a diplomatic mistake, or a political mistake.It wasn't a mistake. It was completely intentional and the administration knew what it was doing. The administration misled Congress and the general population intentionally. I think they even lied to themselves at various stages. The question that remains is "why?"
Mugato: rjkline: amazing how liberals have been proven wrong in almost everything they get their skirts up about after a little time passes...........just a sad group of proven losers.......almost funnySo you think invading Iraq was a good idea? I've heard that people like you existed, I just never caught a glimpse of one in the wild,
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