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(Gallup)   On the 10th anniversary of the Iraq war, 53% of Americans say the war was a mistake. The other 47% are still deciding between disaster, debacle or catastrophe   (gallup.com ) divider line
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2013-03-21 01:32:34 PM  

johneee: Except Bin Laden was killed for relatively little money (no idea how much that kind of thing costs, but other than some wear-and-tear on equipment, the only big ticket item would be 1 trashed helicopter, right?)


You're forgetting the boots on the ground.  There is the cost of training them and the benefits they are entitled to for their service of course, but also the possibility of losing some of them on any operation like this.  There were no US casualties during Operation Neptune's Spear fortunately, but service people are lost on missions like this all the time.  Do you consider those deaths the cost of just that one mission, or do you "amortize" them over the missions those people completed before their number came up?
 
2013-03-21 01:46:46 PM  

Terrydatroll: If it was a mistake then it was a mistake by all of America. No one that I personally know was against it when it started and it was all but lauded by the entire country,


No one?  No one at all?

I had the reverse experience; no one in my social circle saw the action against Iraq as anything but a personal project of Bush and his handlers.  You are making the distinction between the invasion of Iraq and the action taken against Afghanistan, right?
 
2013-03-21 01:52:51 PM  

The Muthaship: Got rid of Saddam, and gave them a chance to have a country governed in whatever way the people want.  Awful.


A++++++. Thrilled by the quartz movement of the "Rolex". HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
 
2013-03-21 02:25:19 PM  

The Muthaship: Got rid of Saddam, and gave them a chance to have a country governed in whatever way the people want.  Awful.


Yeah... what a clown.
 
2013-03-21 02:27:21 PM  

rjkline: amazing how liberals have been proven wrong in almost everything they get their skirts up about after a little time passes...........just a sad group of proven losers.......almost funny


I live with my mom - Too much, too soon.  If you slow your roll a bit and ramp up the ambiguity I think your next attempt should be a winner.
 
2013-03-21 02:29:48 PM  
Old poll (circa 2005), but I doubt attitudes have changed much. Even back then, these percentages are stunning:

64 percent believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links to Al Qaeda
47 percent believe that Saddam Hussein helped plan and support the hijackers who attacked the U.S. on September 11, 2001
44 percent actually believe that several of the hijackers who attacked the U.S. on September 11 were Iraqis

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/iraq-911-al-qaeda-and-w eapons- of-mass-destruction-what-the-public-believes-now-according-to-latest-h arris-poll-54105582.html

And in an informal poll (margin of error +/- potato):

100% of the people who believe Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 are idiots.

Was Saddam an a**hole?  Sure.  Is the world in general better off without him?  Probably.  But regardless of the outcome, the American public was deceived into going to war.

I have a rat in my house.  I call an exterminator.  He convinces me to spend a lot of money to tent the house because there "might" be more than one rat, but he doesn't even look around the house to confirm if he's right.  Worse, he makes up evidence to convince me my house is swarming with rats.  Well when all is said and done, the rat gets dead because of the tenting, but does that make what the exterminator did right?
 
2013-03-21 03:04:27 PM  
Why are people still posting Gallup polls like they're accurate?
 
2013-03-21 03:06:12 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: randomjsa (farkied: "Holy fnck you're an idiot." - Nina_Hartley's_Ass): 25 million people are free and the world is a better place.

I've got some ocean front property in Tikrit Province that I've been looking to sell.


The Bush-Cheney war machine made Hell Flame Wars look competent and effective.

/obobscure: obscure
 
2013-03-21 03:10:28 PM  

Ned Stark: Thunderpipes: Hitler didn't attack us either. Maybe we should have not gotten involved.

Liberals, imagine them in charge during WWII? Fark would be rallying behind Hitler, after all, he didn't like Jews either.

Germany declared war against the united states in WW2. Not the other way round.


Thunderpipes gets a troll grade, on a scale of 1 to 10, of minus eleventy thousand.

When you're too lazy even to bother with getting the historical details correct, that's weak sauce.

www.justsaypictures.com
 
2013-03-21 03:45:48 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-21 04:47:48 PM  

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 504x351]


Since other than Colin Powell not a single member of the Bush cabinet served in combat at any point in their lives, that applies either way.

And considering that the Iraqis still live in daily fear of arrest and torture at the hands of the government, and random suicide bombings for a bonus, I'm not sure that cartoonist understands the definition of 'liberated'.
 
2013-03-21 05:02:58 PM  

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 504x351]


Before, after, and during the war I was on active duty...and saw (still see) the people that opposed the invasion of Iraq as patriots.  Supporting the troops means not putting them in harms' way unnecessarily.

Iraqi liberation, huh?  I guess we really did free the shiat outta them.
 
2013-03-21 05:18:37 PM  
I have one point to make.

It is impossible to 'give' someone freedom, they MUST take it themselves, or it is meaningless. A dog on a long leash is not free.
 
2013-03-21 06:07:00 PM  

rjkline: amazing how liberals have been proven wrong in almost everything they get their skirts up about after a little time passes...........just a sad group of proven losers.......almost funny


A little time is all that revisionists like you need.

"The reason we do not learn from history is because
  We are not the same ones who learned the last time...."
 
2013-03-21 07:27:53 PM  
We woulda won if they had just let the B-52s go all in with carpet bombing on their major cities. They would have surrendered for sure.

USA USA USA!
 
2013-03-21 07:33:22 PM  

doyner: weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 504x351]

Before, after, and during the war I was on active duty...and saw (still see) the people that opposed the invasion of Iraq as patriots.  Supporting the troops means not putting them in harms' way unnecessarily.

Iraqi liberation, huh?  I guess we really did free the shiat outta them.


We freed hundreds of thousands of them from the pain of living.
 
2013-03-21 08:39:33 PM  

Thunderpipes: Hitler didn't attack us either. Maybe we should have not gotten involved.

Liberals, imagine them in charge during WWII? Fark would be rallying behind Hitler, after all, he didn't like Jews either.


i1024.photobucket.com

Can't believe you managed to bring so much stupid together in one post.
 
2013-03-21 10:16:38 PM  

EvilEgg: I fail to see how anyone cannot regard this adventure as a mistake. We went to find WMDs, we didn't find any. That is a mistake.

The only real question, if there is one, is what kind of mistake was it? Was a intelligence mistake, a diplomatic mistake, or a political mistake.


It was a decade long Christmas if you were an oil company, a security contractor or an arms dealer.
 
2013-03-22 05:11:19 PM  
I spent a 15 month deployment there in 2006-07 and it didn't take me long back then to realize that we had no real purpose for being there other than digging ourselves out of the shiathole we jumped into. That's why I never let my head get full of those grandoise ideas of being there to "protect our freedoms" and other bullshiat like that.
 
2013-03-22 09:22:23 PM  

Mr. Breeze: I spent a 15 month deployment there in 2006-07 and it didn't take me long back then to realize that we had no real purpose for being there other than digging ourselves out of the shiathole we jumped into. That's why I never let my head get full of those grandoise ideas of being there to "protect our freedoms" and other bullshiat like that.


Serious question. Did you sign up before or after the invasion of Iraq? The reason I ask is that I think it takes a special kind of blinders to have decided to join up after it became clear that the government was pushing the country into a war that it had no business waging and was clearly not in the interest of anybody except Bush for revenge and military suppliers for profits. He'll, it's not even clear it was for oil companies as no significant supply was secured for them.

On the other hand, I have lots of respect for those who signed up immediately after 9/11 and through the beginning stages of the Afghanistan war. Patriotism is not something I personally think much of, but I can respect the desire to protect and defend the country and to answer the call to arms when the country was clearly under attack.

So I wonder when you signed up. And if it was after the Iraq invasion, or even during the lead up to it, I am curious why. Especially considering that your blinders are off now, why do you think it took you a 15 month deployment to figure it out?
 
2013-03-24 06:52:51 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Mr. Breeze: I spent a 15 month deployment there in 2006-07 and it didn't take me long back then to realize that we had no real purpose for being there other than digging ourselves out of the shiathole we jumped into. That's why I never let my head get full of those grandoise ideas of being there to "protect our freedoms" and other bullshiat like that.

Serious question. Did you sign up before or after the invasion of Iraq? The reason I ask is that I think it takes a special kind of blinders to have decided to join up after it became clear that the government was pushing the country into a war that it had no business waging and was clearly not in the interest of anybody except Bush for revenge and military suppliers for profits. He'll, it's not even clear it was for oil companies as no significant supply was secured for them.

On the other hand, I have lots of respect for those who signed up immediately after 9/11 and through the beginning stages of the Afghanistan war. Patriotism is not something I personally think much of, but I can respect the desire to protect and defend the country and to answer the call to arms when the country was clearly under attack.

So I wonder when you signed up. And if it was after the Iraq invasion, or even during the lead up to it, I am curious why. Especially considering that your blinders are off now, why do you think it took you a 15 month deployment to figure it out?


July 19, 2001. I re-enlisted in 2006 and again in 2009 (which was post Iraq). Re-enlisted based on a desire to continue military service. I initially supported the invasion because of the same reason that most of Congress did. I never have or will buy into the "Bush revenge" argument, or the "war for oil" argument.

However, during that 15 month deployment I realized that we largely farked Iraq due to piss poor understanding of the culture and a lack of planning. That we were pissing away untold billions on what turned out largely to be a business venture for the defense industry. I also met people in that time Iraqi's, Indians, and other middle eastern people who changed my opinion of that corner of the world. A lot of people who have never left the "West" cannot understand it.

I don't have a problem with continued military service because in spite of the best efforts of politicians, we can do good things in the world. It is also a very stable way to support a family of 4, including two children with Cystic Fibrosis. I will re-enlist again next year because at this point in my life and given my position in the military, I can actually do some good while doing something tangible and useful for the country.
 
2013-03-24 08:11:28 PM  

Mr. Breeze: AverageAmericanGuy: Mr. Breeze: I spent a 15 month deployment there in 2006-07 and it didn't take me long back then to realize that we had no real purpose for being there other than digging ourselves out of the shiathole we jumped into. That's why I never let my head get full of those grandoise ideas of being there to "protect our freedoms" and other bullshiat like that.

Serious question. Did you sign up before or after the invasion of Iraq? The reason I ask is that I think it takes a special kind of blinders to have decided to join up after it became clear that the government was pushing the country into a war that it had no business waging and was clearly not in the interest of anybody except Bush for revenge and military suppliers for profits. He'll, it's not even clear it was for oil companies as no significant supply was secured for them.

On the other hand, I have lots of respect for those who signed up immediately after 9/11 and through the beginning stages of the Afghanistan war. Patriotism is not something I personally think much of, but I can respect the desire to protect and defend the country and to answer the call to arms when the country was clearly under attack.

So I wonder when you signed up. And if it was after the Iraq invasion, or even during the lead up to it, I am curious why. Especially considering that your blinders are off now, why do you think it took you a 15 month deployment to figure it out?

July 19, 2001. I re-enlisted in 2006 and again in 2009 (which was post Iraq). Re-enlisted based on a desire to continue military service. I initially supported the invasion because of the same reason that most of Congress did. I never have or will buy into the "Bush revenge" argument, or the "war for oil" argument.

However, during that 15 month deployment I realized that we largely farked Iraq due to piss poor understanding of the culture and a lack of planning. That we were pissing away untold billions on what turned out largely to be a business ...


Fair enough.
 
2013-03-24 09:52:24 PM  
i834.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-25 10:46:11 AM  

Mr. Breeze: AverageAmericanGuy: Mr. Breeze: I spent a 15 month deployment there in 2006-07 and it didn't take me long back then to realize that we had no real purpose for being there other than digging ourselves out of the shiathole we jumped into. That's why I never let my head get full of those grandoise ideas of being there to "protect our freedoms" and other bullshiat like that.

Serious question. Did you sign up before or after the invasion of Iraq? The reason I ask is that I think it takes a special kind of blinders to have decided to join up after it became clear that the government was pushing the country into a war that it had no business waging and was clearly not in the interest of anybody except Bush for revenge and military suppliers for profits. He'll, it's not even clear it was for oil companies as no significant supply was secured for them.

On the other hand, I have lots of respect for those who signed up immediately after 9/11 and through the beginning stages of the Afghanistan war. Patriotism is not something I personally think much of, but I can respect the desire to protect and defend the country and to answer the call to arms when the country was clearly under attack.

So I wonder when you signed up. And if it was after the Iraq invasion, or even during the lead up to it, I am curious why. Especially considering that your blinders are off now, why do you think it took you a 15 month deployment to figure it out?

July 19, 2001. I re-enlisted in 2006 and again in 2009 (which was post Iraq). Re-enlisted based on a desire to continue military service. I initially supported the invasion because of the same reason that most of Congress did. I never have or will buy into the "Bush revenge" argument, or the "war for oil" argument.

However, during that 15 month deployment I realized that we largely farked Iraq due to piss poor understanding of the culture and a lack of planning. That we were pissing away untold billions on what turned out largely to be a business ...


Thank You for your service.
 
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