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2013-03-21 12:07:02 AM  
I get that Cleveland has had some bad luck sports wise but I mean to say God hates them is pretty strong, are there really no other cities who have had worse troubles in sports?
 
2013-03-21 12:08:36 AM  
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U MAD?
 
2013-03-21 12:11:28 AM  
the opening tip was delayed 35 minutes by a leaky scoreboard.

A leaky scoreboard?    They using hydro-electric scoreboards in Cleveland now?   Or sand timers?
 
2013-03-21 12:11:28 AM  
The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.

No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.
 
2013-03-21 12:13:08 AM  

Disciple_of_Trogdor: The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.

No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.


What about Chicago or DC?
 
2013-03-21 12:14:27 AM  
When the Basketball National Cup 2016 happens, Lebron still has to play for team Ohio.  Unless some other state like NY, IL, CA, or FL has given him state citizenship, but I don't think it works that way.  So take that, Lebron.
 
2013-03-21 12:21:02 AM  

tuffsnake: Disciple_of_Trogdor: The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.

No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.

What about Chicago or DC?


Chicago - The Bulls (6 Titles between 91 and 98), The White Sox (05 World Series) , and The Bears (85 Superbowl)

DC doesn't have three major league teams - They only have a baseball team and only very recently.
 
2013-03-21 12:21:08 AM  

tuffsnake: Disciple_of_Trogdor: The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.

No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.

What about Chicago or DC?


Not even close.

Chicago: 2010 Blackhawks, 2005 White Sox (only part of the city cares, but still), some dude with two first names and his crew
DC: Redskins won the Super Bowl after the '91 season and a couple of times in the 80's

Off the top of my head the only cities with multiple teams that have had it nearly as bad as Cleveland are Buffalo and San Diego. Maybe Seattle if you want to argue that losing the Sonics nullifies any good from their championship in the 70's.
 
2013-03-21 12:22:31 AM  

tuffsnake: Disciple_of_Trogdor: The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.

No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.

What about Chicago or DC?


yup, da bears da bulls da blackhawks and da whitesox haven't won anything since 1964... it is a real shame how chicago has so many lovable losers
 
2013-03-21 12:23:55 AM  

FreakinB: tuffsnake: Disciple_of_Trogdor: The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.

No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.

What about Chicago or DC?

Not even close.

Chicago: 2010 Blackhawks, 2005 White Sox (only part of the city cares, but still), some dude with two first names and his crew
DC: Redskins won the Super Bowl after the '91 season and a couple of times in the 80's

Off the top of my head the only cities with multiple teams that have had it nearly as bad as Cleveland are Buffalo and San Diego. Maybe Seattle if you want to argue that losing the Sonics nullifies any good from their championship in the 70's.


And Buffalo, for all of not winning championships, was dominant as hell for a while in the NFL, winning 4 conference championships in a row.  Yes, the Superbowls were brutal, but that's still a run that many teams would envy.
 
2013-03-21 12:25:42 AM  

Disciple_of_Trogdor: DC doesn't have three major league teams - They only have a baseball team and only very recently.


Nats, Caps and Redskins?

Disciple_of_Trogdor: Chicago - The Bulls (6 Titles between 91 and 98), The White Sox (05 World Series) , and The Bears (85 Superbowl)


FreakinB: Chicago: 2010 Blackhawks, 2005 White Sox (only part of the city cares, but still), some dude with two first names and his crew
DC: Redskins won the Super Bowl after the '91 season and a couple of times in the 80's


divgradcurl: yup, da bears da bulls da blackhawks and da whitesox haven't won anything since 1964... it is a real shame how chicago has so many lovable losers


Oh right, for some reason I always just picture the Cubs when I think of Chicago

FreakinB: Buffalo


Poor, poor Buffalo :( I can't imagine how much of a kick in the balls it must be to lose that many Super Bowls in a decade
 
2013-03-21 12:27:23 AM  

FreakinB: tuffsnake: Disciple_of_Trogdor: The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.

No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.

What about Chicago or DC?

Not even close.

Chicago: 2010 Blackhawks, 2005 White Sox (only part of the city cares, but still), some dude with two first names and his crew
DC: Redskins won the Super Bowl after the '91 season and a couple of times in the 80's

Off the top of my head the only cities with multiple teams that have had it nearly as bad as Cleveland are Buffalo and San Diego. Maybe Seattle if you want to argue that losing the Sonics nullifies any good from their championship in the 70's.


I forgot about the Blackhawks.

Also - Buffalo has neither an NBA nor a MLB Team.

I'll grant you Seattle has it pretty bad too, though they didnt even get sports teams till the late 70's anyway.
 
2013-03-21 12:27:40 AM  
I had $350 on Cleveland moneyline at 8:1. I think God hates me.
 
2013-03-21 12:29:14 AM  

tuffsnake: Nats, Caps and Redskins?


And the Wizards. Though that's been pretty bad over the years.

Disciple_of_Trogdor: Also - Buffalo has neither an NBA nor a MLB Team.


Hockey exists.
 
2013-03-21 12:29:45 AM  
They were missing several of their best players and almost beat the hottest team in the league who was at full strength, when (I'm assuming) most people figured they'd get their asses handed to them easily.

Not exactly a "woe is us" moment.
 
2013-03-21 12:35:02 AM  

FreakinB: tuffsnake: Disciple_of_Trogdor: The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.

No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.

What about Chicago or DC?

Not even close.

Chicago: 2010 Blackhawks, 2005 White Sox (only part of the city cares, but still), some dude with two first names and his crew
DC: Redskins won the Super Bowl after the '91 season and a couple of times in the 80's

Off the top of my head the only cities with multiple teams that have had it nearly as bad as Cleveland are Buffalo and San Diego. Maybe Seattle if you want to argue that losing the Sonics nullifies any good from their championship in the 70's.


Yeah, Cleveland wins the crappiest "3+ Team" city/metro area (20 metros fit that bill) by a long shot.  Buffalo only has 2 so I wouldn't even count it.  San Diego also only has 2.  But, of those 20 3+ areas... the next worst area is probably Phoenix, with outside of the D-Backs winning in 2001, nobody has won championships.
 
2013-03-21 12:38:37 AM  

dletter: Yeah, Cleveland wins the crappiest "3+ Team" city/metro area (20 metros fit that bill) by a long shot. Buffalo only has 2 so I wouldn't even count it. San Diego also only has 2. But, of those 20 3+ areas... the next worst area is probably Phoenix, with outside of the D-Backs winning in 2001, nobody has won championships.


Oh yeah, Cleveland wins for cities with 3+ by a lot. I had to change it from 3+ to 2+ to bring in cities that are even in the discussion. And San Diego shouldn't even count since their weather's too good to get all that upset about anything.
 
2013-03-21 12:41:58 AM  

dletter: FreakinB: tuffsnake: Disciple_of_Trogdor: The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.

No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.

What about Chicago or DC?

Not even close.

Chicago: 2010 Blackhawks, 2005 White Sox (only part of the city cares, but still), some dude with two first names and his crew
DC: Redskins won the Super Bowl after the '91 season and a couple of times in the 80's

Off the top of my head the only cities with multiple teams that have had it nearly as bad as Cleveland are Buffalo and San Diego. Maybe Seattle if you want to argue that losing the Sonics nullifies any good from their championship in the 70's.

Yeah, Cleveland wins the crappiest "3+ Team" city/metro area (20 metros fit that bill) by a long shot.  Buffalo only has 2 so I wouldn't even count it.  San Diego also only has 2.  But, of those 20 3+ areas... the next worst area is probably Phoenix, with outside of the D-Backs winning in 2001, nobody has won championships.


And Seattle I'd throw in since they were 3+ until very recently.

"Worst 5" I'd go:
1. Cleveland
2. Seattle
3. Phoenix
4. Atlanta (outside of 1 W.S. win, their teams just toy with their fans)
5. Minnesota (outside of the Twinkies, their teams always fall short, even in hockey)
 
2013-03-21 12:42:58 AM  

Uncle Pooky: They were missing several of their best players and almost beat the hottest team in the league who was at full strength, when (I'm assuming) most people figured they'd get their asses handed to them easily.

Not exactly a "woe is us" moment.


Or, the Cavs blew a 27 point lead in about 10 minutes of game time.

Also, watching LeBron pull up and just bury and tying three pointer was magical. You could see it coming as soon as he stole the ball. Took some questionable shots late, however.
 
2013-03-21 12:47:17 AM  
This is the only man from Cleveland that has ever been able to say he's a champion...

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2013-03-21 12:47:28 AM  

Disciple_of_Trogdor: The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.

No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.


Don't forget about the Cleveland Barons, who were an NHL team for two seasons in the 1970's after relocating from Oakland.
 
2013-03-21 12:48:32 AM  

tuffsnake: Disciple_of_Trogdor: The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.

No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.

What about Chicago or DC?


I see everyone corrected this one - but my legwork took a while so I'll leave it at the bottom.

Atlanta might be a better choice to compete for misery: 1
The Braves only won 1x during their run (but unquestionably a great team during the Bobby Cox era).  Falcons, nothing.  Hawks, nothing. Thrashers - nothing.  3.5 teams: 1 championship.

Chicago: 9 - 
2010 Stanley Cup, 2005 World Series, Superb Owl XX (and if you go back a full 50 years, and not just 49 the '63 NFL Champ), and the 90's was all the NBA championships,  All of them (okay, 6).  6 Teams, not 3 there so there's more of a chance, but that's the same as 4.5 in a 3 team city (1 per decade?  Meh).

DC: 4
82, 87, 91 NFL Seasons resulted in winning the Superb Owl.  Baseball is new again there, w/ no championships to show, yet (but also none either when the Senators were there in this time span).  Caps have nothing.  I initially forgot about the Bullets in 78 winning the NBA title. 4 teams, 4 championships.
 
2013-03-21 12:49:04 AM  

Disciple_of_Trogdor: The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.

No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.


Until the 2008 World Series, Philly had gone since 1983 without winning the title in any of the four major sports, so something like 25 years, 4 seasons a year.
For whatever thats worth, anyway.
 
2013-03-21 12:53:17 AM  

SilentStrider: Disciple_of_Trogdor: The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.

No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.

Until the 2008 World Series, Philly had gone since 1983 without winning the title in any of the four major sports, so something like 25 years, 4 seasons a year.
For whatever thats worth, anyway.


I know nobody wants to hear New Yorkers complain about championships, but with the right combination of teams you haven't won anything since 1986 AND you're dealing with fans of more successful teams on a daily basis. Less time, but more day-to-day reminders.
 
2013-03-21 12:55:49 AM  
Dang, I just saw up until half time and thought well streak is possibly over, though they were playing against the Cavs. Just watched it anyways.
 
2013-03-21 12:57:44 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: This is the only man from Cleveland that has ever been able to say he's a champion...

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THIS BAH GAWD!
 
2013-03-21 12:58:10 AM  

Disciple_of_Trogdor: The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.
No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.


You should get a hockey team and quadruple your futility.
 
2013-03-21 01:01:09 AM  
Since we are randomly throwing futile cities around, Denver didn't win any titles until 1996, and all of the city's titles were won within a 6-year span.

1960-1995 = 36 years - 2 pro teams + the occasional hockey/baseball team, no titles [about 75 seasons of futility]

2002-present - 11 years - 4 pro teams, nada [44 seasons of futility]
 
2013-03-21 01:03:02 AM  

dletter: 4. Atlanta (outside of 1 W.S. win, their teams just toy with their fans)


and they lost two NHL teams to Canada. HAHAHAHAHA! Suck it, Atlanta!

and Cleveland.
 
2013-03-21 01:06:03 AM  
Can I mention that Saskatchewan has had a CFL team for over 100 years and they've only won the Grey Cup 3 times?

and they are in Saskatchewan!
 
2013-03-21 01:10:22 AM  

VvonderJesus: Uncle Pooky: They were missing several of their best players and almost beat the hottest team in the league who was at full strength, when (I'm assuming) most people figured they'd get their asses handed to them easily.

Not exactly a "woe is us" moment.

Or, the Cavs blew a 27 point lead in about 10 minutes of game time.


Or, the Cavs were able to have a 27 point lead at any point in the game.
 
2013-03-21 01:13:02 AM  

Disciple_of_Trogdor: DC doesn't have three major league teams - They only have a baseball team and only very recently.


Huh? They have a team in the 4 major sports plus the MLS (Redskins, Wizards, Nationals, Capitals, and DC United).
 
2013-03-21 01:13:20 AM  
I think an interesting question which is related to this is: how many years after a championship does that title not matter anymore?  (Real Sports Fans - 1 day. Thanks.  Now everyone else).  Is there a difference between 30, 50, or 100 years?  Is it "within my lifetime?"  Where does "never" fit into the equation, and is it better or worse than (above mentioned, ill defined) "long ago"?
 
2013-03-21 01:17:47 AM  
The worst part is how this is going to help the mythos of the "invincible Heat coming back to win out of a 27 point deficit" and my oh my how tough they are when it's crunch time!

No one will say "Hey guys, you were down 27 to the Cleveland Cavaliers without Kyrie Irving", which drops a bottom 5 team to pretty much the undisputed worst team in basketball.
 
2013-03-21 01:20:11 AM  

VTGremlin: No one will say "Hey guys, you were down 27 to the Cleveland Cavaliers without Kyrie Irving", which drops a bottom 5 team to pretty much the undisputed worst team in basketball.


Exactly, I'm not sure why ESPN thinks this is important at all, Cleveland is such an awful team. Their comeback against the Celtics was legit but who cares about a team beating the Cavs?
 
2013-03-21 01:26:23 AM  
and yet, any year that boston fans' teams don't win a title, nobody has it worse than them
 
2013-03-21 01:31:34 AM  

Tiberius Gracchus: I think an interesting question which is related to this is: how many years after a championship does that title not matter anymore?  (Real Sports Fans - 1 day. Thanks.  Now everyone else).  Is there a difference between 30, 50, or 100 years?  Is it "within my lifetime?"  Where does "never" fit into the equation, and is it better or worse than (above mentioned, ill defined) "long ago"?


I'm still happy about the Rams winning the SB in '99, and still bitter about losing it to the pats in '01 (waaargharbl post-9/11 conspiracy greatest SB upset of all time gargh). I'm still happy about the '06 WS win even though I was living in Las Vegas at the time, and I will never NOT be happy about the '11 WS, because I was at Game 6, the greatest WS single game of the modern era.

/by far and away the best sporting event I've ever been to, and will likely ever attend
//beats when my HS won state in football and I was in the band by a significant margin
///though game 7 of the early 90s Blues/Leafs playoff series that we won was pretty freakin' awesome
 
2013-03-21 01:42:49 AM  
Y'all are forgetting Kansas City, Houston & Cincy for the cities of fail

Royals have a single world series in 85
Chiefs have a single super bowl in 69
Kings played there in the 70s & 80s and they sucked

Houston
0 w/ the oilers/texans
0 w/ the astros
2 w/ the Rockets 94 & 95 cause Jordan took a break

Cincy:
5 w/ the Reds last in 1990
0 w/ the Bungles
 
2013-03-21 02:09:42 AM  
OK, subby, out yourself. I know Cleveland was founded in 1796 which is 79,000+ days ago and change, but what I really want to know is did you account for leap years?
 
2013-03-21 02:34:14 AM  
The Ravens just won the superbowl, aren't they from Cleveland?
 
2013-03-21 02:42:56 AM  

Tiberius Gracchus: I think an interesting question which is related to this is: how many years after a championship does that title not matter anymore?  (Real Sports Fans - 1 day. Thanks.  Now everyone else).  Is there a difference between 30, 50, or 100 years?  Is it "within my lifetime?"  Where does "never" fit into the equation, and is it better or worse than (above mentioned, ill defined) "long ago"?


One generation, typically. It's not a specific amount, it's only when there is a sufficient turnover (either through disinterest or death) in the fanbase for there to be no living memory of when the team last won a championship. That's what matters -- not how long since the team last won one, but whether the fanbase was even around the last time they won one.
 
2013-03-21 02:49:11 AM  

Vance Uppercut: The Ravens just won the superbowl, aren't they from Cleveland?


I wouldn't say that out loud in a Cleveland bar.
 
2013-03-21 03:05:14 AM  

Disciple_of_Trogdor: The last time cleveland won a sports championship was in 1964. We have a Baseball, Basketball and Football team. That's three teams, three seasons per year, for 49 years and counting. That's juuust under 150 seasons.

No other city with three major-leagues teams has anything CLOSE to that bad.


Well, maybe Cleveland doesn't deserve three major sports teams? Portland, OR has only one. We'd kill to have an NFL franchise, and even tried really hard to get a MLB team. There's no way we'd be whining about losing seasons in Portland somehow got the Browns or Indians to move here.

In other words, quit yer biatchin'!
 
2013-03-21 03:17:19 AM  
A 27-point comeback in a 10 minute time span, regardless of league or competition, is impressive in basketball.
 
2013-03-21 03:37:00 AM  

MmmmBacon: Well, maybe Cleveland doesn't deserve three major sports teams? Portland, OR has only one.


Do you think your city is more of a baseball or a football town (I guess baseball for some reason)? Also, does your city like hockey at all? That might work just because there already is a pro arena. Then again, Seattle would probably get first dibs at an NHL team. I do agree with your general sentiment that you guys would be a better market for sports teams compared to declining cities (generally in the rust belt).
 
2013-03-21 03:42:46 AM  

Vance Uppercut: The Ravens just won the superbowl, aren't they from Cleveland?


There's been a lot of turnover since then - IIRC there's maybe one or two guys left in the front office from 1995.  This year's Ravens have about as much to do with the old Browns as the New Browns do.
 
2013-03-21 03:49:23 AM  

TheJoe03: Do you think your city is more of a baseball or a football town (I guess baseball for some reason)? Also, does your city like hockey at all?


Portland likes hockey (Chicago can thank Portland for the original Blackhawks team, to some degree).

I'd imagine Portland would be more likely to have sellouts with a pro football team, but a pro baseball team has always been desired there, at least by some people. I think Portland is sick of being dicked around by Minor League team ownership. It didn't help having the stadium in a horrible part of town (not for safety as much as parking/transportation).
 
2013-03-21 03:50:42 AM  

puffy999: A 27-point comeback in a 10 minute time span, regardless of league or competition, is impressive in basketball.


True, but I just hate Miami, so them beating a crap team like Cleveland isn't enough for me to say nice things about them. Oh and while it is very impressive to come back from a 27 point deficit in 10 minutes, it's even more embarrassing that Cleveland blew such a big lead. I didn't watch the game, but I really wonder just how such a thing could happen. How did Cleveland have such a huge lead in the first place? Hopefully ESPN Classic replays this, I know I'd love to watch it.
 
2013-03-21 03:52:48 AM  

TheJoe03: MmmmBacon: Well, maybe Cleveland doesn't deserve three major sports teams? Portland, OR has only one.

Do you think your city is more of a baseball or a football town (I guess baseball for some reason)? Also, does your city like hockey at all? That might work just because there already is a pro arena. Then again, Seattle would probably get first dibs at an NHL team. I do agree with your general sentiment that you guys would be a better market for sports teams compared to declining cities (generally in the rust belt).


With our weather, the NFL would be the best choice, unless we built a new baseball stadium with a roof. Our minor league hockey team is popular enough, so Hockey might work here, although Seattle would get a team before us, as you said.

In the end, Portland would be a great place for an NFL team, perhaps once LA gets a team we will get some consideration for another town's failed franchise (Jacksonville?) or an Expansion team. If the NFL does expand to get LA a team (as Goodell has said previously was a possibility), then odds are two teams at least would be added, or possibly four. Portland would be a great choice for one of those teams.
 
2013-03-21 03:53:52 AM  
Still gotta give Seattle love, though... not even a WS for the Mariners, even after the 116-win season. The SuperSonics were the only team to win anything, and had another championship series appearance or two, but they were usurped by a bunch of dickheads (David Stern included). The Seahawks made it to one Super Bowl, where they had to play two teams (I will reiterate that for all of the deserved complaints about the Tuck Rule, the worst call in NFL history may have been when Matt Hasselbeck was flagged for tackling a player who had the football).
 
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