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2013-03-20 11:54:16 PM  
#1 Beach Boys

*closes list*
 
2013-03-21 12:01:03 AM  
Re: The End    "It is scarcely conceivable how many psychedelic adventures this song has provided a soundtrack for ..."

I can account for a substantial number of them
 
2013-03-21 12:02:29 AM  
I never heard of The Red Telephone, and I was 9 years old in 1967.   But yeah, as one who's first memories of music are Stairway to Heaven and School's Out, I'm ok with this list.

/ except I'd call it "songs that made music better"
 
2013-03-21 12:13:52 AM  

Snotnose: I never heard of The Red Telephone, and I was 9 years old in 1967.   But yeah, as one who's first memories of music are Stairway to Heaven and School's Out, I'm ok with this list.

/ except I'd call it "songs that made music better"


I'd never heard of that one, either, and I was seriously into music in those days. Probably got lost in the Sgt. Pepper summer
 
2013-03-21 12:19:07 AM  
Good to see the Kinks getting more and more recognition. The deserve every bit of it.
 
2013-03-21 01:18:46 AM  

CaptSacto: Snotnose: I never heard of The Red Telephone, and I was 9 years old in 1967.   But yeah, as one who's first memories of music are Stairway to Heaven and School's Out, I'm ok with this list.

/ except I'd call it "songs that made music better"

I'd never heard of that one, either, and I was seriously into music in those days. Probably got lost in the Sgt. Pepper summer


Love are definitely an unfairly forgotten band. I wouldn't have known about them myself had The Damned not covered one of their songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYVDN27CrOo
 
2013-03-21 01:25:40 AM  
I don't care what anyone says, the moody blues were awesome. saw them with my mom on a whim about 10 years ago and they were still kicking it
 
2013-03-21 01:28:27 AM  
alan parsons project ?
 
2013-03-21 01:30:12 AM  
The Doors but no Velvet Underground?  The effing Beach Boys??  Pass.
 
2013-03-21 01:30:50 AM  

Gordon Bennett: CaptSacto: Snotnose: I never heard of The Red Telephone, and I was 9 years old in 1967.   But yeah, as one who's first memories of music are Stairway to Heaven and School's Out, I'm ok with this list.

/ except I'd call it "songs that made music better"

I'd never heard of that one, either, and I was seriously into music in those days. Probably got lost in the Sgt. Pepper summer

Love are definitely an unfairly forgotten band. I wouldn't have known about them myself had The Damned not covered one of their songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYVDN27CrOo


Well, hell... Love did Little Red Book. Guess I just never heard Red Telephone.
They kind of had a red thing, didn't they?
 
2013-03-21 01:31:08 AM  
I've never heard of Love outside of the song Seven & Seven Is, which is an awesome song I learned about from the skate video Goldfish from the skate company Girl. Thanks Girl!
 
2013-03-21 01:32:26 AM  
Gordon Bennett:

And thanks for the link!
 
2013-03-21 01:32:38 AM  
Throw this link into the Featured Partner black hole.
 
2013-03-21 01:32:41 AM  
Is this what music writing is these days?

/liked the list, learned some
 
2013-03-21 01:35:10 AM  
List fails. Where's The Nice? Or Zappa's King Kong? Or the Soft Machine?
 
2013-03-21 01:36:38 AM  
huh. number 1 and number 10 are two of my most favorite songs ever and I hate prog rock so take your emerson lake and palmer fancy pants hoodie doodie and shove 'em right up yer Sister Ray


too bad white light/white heat didn't come out until '68
 
2013-03-21 01:55:28 AM  

CaptSacto: Snotnose: I never heard of The Red Telephone, and I was 9 years old in 1967.   But yeah, as one who's first memories of music are Stairway to Heaven and School's Out, I'm ok with this list.

/ except I'd call it "songs that made music better"

I'd never heard of that one, either, and I was seriously into music in those days. Probably got lost in the Sgt. Pepper summer


I third that. I was 16 in 1967 and listened to music constantly but I never heard of either the song or the band.
 
2013-03-21 02:00:03 AM  
I prefer cock rock myself.
 
2013-03-21 02:03:07 AM  
Sgt Pepper was released in 1967. I think A Day In The Life is as progressive as almost anything on this list. But overall, the list is pretty good.

Oh, and Alone Again Or is Love's best song. Maybe not its most "progressive". But god I love that tune.
 
2013-03-21 02:10:46 AM  

Porndip Poonpat: I prefer cock rock myself.


Everybody knows cock rock is just a rip off of Rooster-American Blues
 
2013-03-21 02:19:19 AM  
This article caused me to look up what albums were referenced in the Venture Bros. ep "Perchance to Dean" to see if any were the same.

They were not. But at least I know what they are now.
 
2013-03-21 02:23:26 AM  

sonnyboy11: Sgt Pepper was released in 1967. I think A Day In The Life is as progressive as almost anything on this list. But overall, the list is pretty good.

Oh, and Alone Again Or is Love's best song. Maybe not its most "progressive". But god I love that tune.


Hell yes to both of these.

\prog-head
 
2013-03-21 02:33:33 AM  

CruiserTwelve: CaptSacto: Snotnose: I never heard of The Red Telephone, and I was 9 years old in 1967.   But yeah, as one who's first memories of music are Stairway to Heaven and School's Out, I'm ok with this list.

/ except I'd call it "songs that made music better"

I'd never heard of that one, either, and I was seriously into music in those days. Probably got lost in the Sgt. Pepper summer

I third that. I was 16 in 1967 and listened to music constantly but I never heard of either the song or the band.


As someone born 11 years after 1967, I obviously didn't experience any of it the firs time around, but I've noticed this album has become something of a favorite forgotten gem among music geeks, and ironically one of the most "popular" obscure albums of the period, over the last maybe 5-10 years.

But it's no wonder a lot of stuff got lost in the shuffle back then.  I actually find myself digging deep into music of the late '60s and early '70s and finding lots of obscure bands that were still doing really good stuff.
 
2013-03-21 02:34:22 AM  

sonnyboy11: Oh, and Alone Again Or is Love's best song. Maybe not its most "progressive". But god I love that tune.


I'd take "The Daily Planet," "She Comes in Colors," "Little Red Book," "Your Mind and We Belong Together," and, yes, "The Red Telephone" before "Alone Again Or."  Doesn't mean it's a bad song, just means it's a great song that's not quite as great.

Forever Changes is essential.
 
2013-03-21 02:38:34 AM  

Entity79: List fails. Where's The Nice? Or Zappa's King Kong? Or the Soft Machine?


I equate those waaaaaay more as prog-rock influences than something like "Waterloo Sunset" which to me has as much to do with prog-rock as a Band-Aid has to do with pizza.

/not a prog-rock guy
//"Waterloo Sunset" rules, though
 
2013-03-21 02:46:06 AM  
Didn't know Cream are Monster Magnet fans
 
2013-03-21 02:48:42 AM  

LewDux: Monster Magnet fans


I went to see a heavy metal band in New York...called Monster Magnet. Man, they were heavy, boy. The lead singer got on the monitor, and he said, "How many of you people feel like human beings tonight?" Then he said, "How many of you feel like animals?" And everyone cheered after the animals part. But the thing is, I cheered after the human being part because I did not know that there was a second part to the question. "Yes, I do feel like a human. I do not feel like a tree."
 
2013-03-21 03:05:58 AM  

Porndip Poonpat: I prefer cock rock myself.


Is it similar to butt rock?
 
2013-03-21 03:39:17 AM  

TheJoe03: Porndip Poonpat: I prefer cock rock myself.

Is it similar to butt rock?


they often intersect.
 
2013-03-21 03:58:33 AM  
Wut, no Hendrix? Article writer has no experience.
 
2013-03-21 04:51:33 AM  
Thanks for this article. It's been far too long since I reminded myself that The Beach Boys make my ears bleed. It's good for my sense of self-preservation to keep it fresh in mind.
 
2013-03-21 04:58:19 AM  

GAT_00: #1 Beach Boys

*closes list mind*


FTFY
 
2013-03-21 05:00:58 AM  

Glenechocreek: Wut, no Hendrix? Article writer has no experience.


I see what you...well, you know.
 
2013-03-21 06:05:43 AM  
I like how they split a list of ten things into two pages.
 
2013-03-21 06:44:13 AM  

CarnySaur: I like how they split a list of ten things into two pages.


can't have them breaking the internet with their pages, now, can we!
 
2013-03-21 07:31:40 AM  

tlchwi02: I don't care what anyone says, the moody blues were awesome. saw them with my mom on a whim about 10 years ago and they were still kicking it


Was it on a Tuesday afternoon by chance?

/Sorry
 
2013-03-21 08:22:36 AM  
It's nature's way of telling you...
 
2013-03-21 08:54:22 AM  
The real watershed moment came two years later
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ubc5_owhl0
 
2013-03-21 09:08:01 AM  
I like the list and am a huge Pink Floyd fan, but Interstallar Overdrive is pure dreck.
 
2013-03-21 09:20:36 AM  

sonnyboy11: Sgt Pepper was released in 1967. I think A Day In The Life is as progressive as almost anything on this list. But overall, the list is pretty good.


No argument here, it's a pretty good list; but any article about "Heroes and Villains" that doesn't mention Van Dyke Parks is a little suspect. And Clapton and Bruce both give major credit to artist Martin Sharp for the lyrics and concept behind "Tales of Brave Ulysses."

When I think of 1967 (I was in hi skul at the time) I remember the Fab Four releasing "Penny Lane" backed with "Strawberry Fields" and if that's not enough of a two-sided punch, they did it again later that year with "Hello Goodbye" b/w "I am the Walrus." Our minds were well and truly blown hearing that on our Sears Silvertone transistor radios in the back seat of the bus.

/"Let the farkers figure THAT one out."
 
2013-03-21 09:30:59 AM  
Interesting to look back at a particular year and discover some influential stuff all sharing the same date.  With film I look back at 1976 as the year that changed everything.  Aside from Rocky inventing the Summer blockbuster 1976 gave us Taxi Driver, Marathon Man, Carrie, Logan's Run, Network, Car Wash, The Bad News Bears, and M,J, and S just to name a few.
 
2013-03-21 09:42:50 AM  

Crewmannumber6: The real watershed moment came two years later
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ubc5_owhl0


Hellz ya!

Epitaph is still one of my favorite songs.

=]
 
2013-03-21 09:42:52 AM  

karmaceutical: The effing Beach Boys??  Pass.


GAT_00: #1 Beach Boys *closes list*



the beach boys - especially their 1966 release "pet sounds" - were every bit as important, musically speaking, as the beatles.
 
2013-03-21 09:50:10 AM  

karmaceutical: The Doors but no Velvet Underground?


I have no earthly idea how VU's debut album isn't on the list. I realize 1967 was a pretty loaded year for great albums, but you can easily make the case Lou Reed and gang made the most influential and daring one of all.

Christ, a song like "Heroin" would've still been considered visionary if not released until 10 years later.
 
2013-03-21 09:55:15 AM  

RoyHobbs22: Interesting to look back at a particular year and discover some influential stuff all sharing the same date.  With film I look back at 1976 as the year that changed everything.  Aside from Rocky inventing the Summer blockbuster 1976 gave us Taxi Driver, Marathon Man, Carrie, Logan's Run, Network, Car Wash, The Bad News Bears, and M,J, and S just to name a few.


You're not wrong, but I'd say that ROCKY was simply cementing a trend pioneered by JAWS the year before.  Critical, yes, but not seminal.
 
2013-03-21 09:57:16 AM  
While it came out in '69 and not '67, if you haven't heard "Cellophane Symphony", it'll blow your mind if you have preconceived notions about Tommy James & the Shondells. Don't think of "Mony Mony" and "Hanky Panky", think of the guy behind "Crimson and Clover" taking it further.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qNQXb18l8g
 
2013-03-21 10:11:45 AM  
Neil Young would, of course, go in entirely different directions (ranging from the folk-rock of his solo debut to garage-band glory with Crazy Horse to the acoustic stylings of After the Gold Rush and the perfection, if not invention, of country-rock on Harvest

upload.wikimedia.org


Disagree.
 
2013-03-21 10:17:03 AM  

FlashHarry: karmaceutical: The effing Beach Boys??  Pass.

GAT_00: #1 Beach Boys *closes list*


the beach boys - especially their 1966 release "pet sounds" - were every bit as important, musically speaking, as the beatles.


Ab-so-farkin'-lutely. McCartney and Lennon both have said that "Pet Sounds" had a lot to do with "Sgt Pepper." Even George Martin has mentioned how closely he listened to Brian Wilson's studio techniques. It's a shame that the surviving members of the band have become cartoons, much in the way that Elvis did in his last years. But the current caricatures shouldn't obscure their contributions. I'm just sad their "Holland" tour was never filmed, as far as I can tell. I saw it in a mid-sized auditorium and was blown away at how excellent it was. While the rest of the country was listening to mellow Southern California country rock, these guys were still pushing boundaries. Donald Fagen, never one to lavish praise, has said that tour had a lot to do with the direction he was pushing the early Steely Dan.
 
2013-03-21 10:20:51 AM  
47 posts in and no de-slidination?

Son I am disappoint.
 
2013-03-21 10:20:52 AM  
Oh cool. A list of 10 random songs from 1967.
 
2013-03-21 10:21:16 AM  

Killer Cars: karmaceutical: The Doors but no Velvet Underground?

I have no earthly idea how VU's debut album isn't on the list. I realize 1967 was a pretty loaded year for great albums, but you can easily make the case Lou Reed and gang made the most influential and daring one of all.

Christ, a song like "Heroin" would've still been considered visionary if not released until 10 years later.


my guess is that TFA's definition of Prog Rock has more to do with Yes, ELP, King Crimson, etc. than any strain of Prog Rock VU would've influenced.
 
2013-03-21 10:25:10 AM  

rhiannon: Oh cool. A list of 10 random songs from 1967.


If that's true, then it only reinforces what an high water mark that year was.
 
2013-03-21 10:25:31 AM  

puckrock2000: Neil Young would, of course, go in entirely different directions (ranging from the folk-rock of his solo debut to garage-band glory with Crazy Horse to the acoustic stylings of After the Gold Rush and the perfection, if not invention, of country-rock on Harvest

[upload.wikimedia.org image 400x400]

Disagree.


Came in to say this, glad to see you've got that covered.  There was a lot of "I don't know anything about this stuff, but I'll write about it anyway" going on there.  Waterloo Sunset is an absolute classic, has nothing to do with prog at all.   Country Joe and The Fish?  Really?
 
2013-03-21 10:29:20 AM  

KingKauff: I like the list and am a huge Pink Floyd fan, but Interstallar Overdrive is pure dreck.


THIS 1000 times!

/screaming face from The Wall tattoo on my back.
 
2013-03-21 10:29:53 AM  
5 singles.

blogs.houstonpress.com
 
2013-03-21 10:33:23 AM  

tlchwi02: I don't care what anyone says, the moody blues were awesome. saw them with my mom on a whim about 10 years ago and they were still kicking it


i saw them last week...they may be older than my dad, but they've still got it!
 
2013-03-21 10:54:36 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: Killer Cars: karmaceutical: The Doors but no Velvet Underground?

I have no earthly idea how VU's debut album isn't on the list. I realize 1967 was a pretty loaded year for great albums, but you can easily make the case Lou Reed and gang made the most influential and daring one of all.

Christ, a song like "Heroin" would've still been considered visionary if not released until 10 years later.

my guess is that TFA's definition of Prog Rock has more to do with Yes, ELP, King Crimson, etc. than any strain of Prog Rock VU would've influenced.


I would argue that VU influenced them as well.  VU's influence is incredible (rivaled only by Bowie).  You ask any artist from prog rock, punk, metal, alternative, grunge, they will invariably name VU and/or David Bowie.

One of my favorites, R.E.M., have several B-sides that are covers of VU songs.  Bowie, in his 80's revival, helped introduced Stevie Ray Vaughn to a larger audience.
 
2013-03-21 11:05:57 AM  
The Red Telephone was never played on Top 40 radio. It would have been played on underground radio stations. I had the first two Love albums, so I got this the day it come out and heard the song.
 
2013-03-21 11:07:07 AM  

RyansPrivates: FeedTheCollapse: Killer Cars: karmaceutical: The Doors but no Velvet Underground?

I have no earthly idea how VU's debut album isn't on the list. I realize 1967 was a pretty loaded year for great albums, but you can easily make the case Lou Reed and gang made the most influential and daring one of all.

Christ, a song like "Heroin" would've still been considered visionary if not released until 10 years later.

my guess is that TFA's definition of Prog Rock has more to do with Yes, ELP, King Crimson, etc. than any strain of Prog Rock VU would've influenced.

I would argue that VU influenced them as well.  VU's influence is incredible (rivaled only by Bowie).  You ask any artist from prog rock, punk, metal, alternative, grunge, they will invariably name VU and/or David Bowie.

One of my favorites, R.E.M., have several B-sides that are covers of VU songs.  Bowie, in his 80's revival, helped introduced Stevie Ray Vaughn to a larger audience.


for the longest time i thought "pale blue eyes" was an rem song. i still like it better than the original, but i've always liked stipe and never really cared much for lou reed. vu/lr covers are usually really good, so the songcraft is there, but there's something about lr that turns me off
 
2013-03-21 11:08:45 AM  

RyansPrivates: I would argue that VU influenced them as well.  VU's influence is incredible (rivaled only by Bowie).  You ask any artist from prog rock, punk, metal, alternative, grunge, they will invariably name VU and/or David Bowie.


I agree, though I think VU's impact on Prog was more along the lines of the Krautrock strain (i.e. faust, can, Neu!, etc.) rather than the typical Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, etc. Prog-Rock that the article seems to be leaning towards.
 
2013-03-21 11:09:57 AM  

puckrock2000: Neil Young would, of course, go in entirely different directions (ranging from the folk-rock of his solo debut to garage-band glory with Crazy Horse to the acoustic stylings of After the Gold Rush and the perfection, if not invention, of country-rock on Harvest

[upload.wikimedia.org image 400x400]

Disagree.


Also disagrees:

991.com
 
2013-03-21 11:31:20 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: puckrock2000: Neil Young would, of course, go in entirely different directions (ranging from the folk-rock of his solo debut to garage-band glory with Crazy Horse to the acoustic stylings of After the Gold Rush and the perfection, if not invention, of country-rock on Harvest

[upload.wikimedia.org image 400x400]

Disagree.

Also disagrees:

[991.com image 500x494]


That's a fun record. "Well, we're gonna take a short intermission, ma friends, and we'll be back, right after you turn the record over." I've heard other bands doing tracks like that, from the Sesame Street cast to Tom Petty, but none predate Nez.
 
2013-03-21 11:40:56 AM  

vudukungfu: t's nature's way of telling you...


Something's wrong
 
2013-03-21 11:58:00 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: RyansPrivates: I would argue that VU influenced them as well.  VU's influence is incredible (rivaled only by Bowie).  You ask any artist from prog rock, punk, metal, alternative, grunge, they will invariably name VU and/or David Bowie.

I agree, though I think VU's impact on Prog was more along the lines of the Krautrock strain (i.e. faust, can, Neu!, etc.) rather than the typical Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, etc. Prog-Rock that the article seems to be leaning towards.


This is a valid point.  I guess there is some disconnect between what the write is calling Prog and what some of us are calling Prog.

And I think it should be okay to hate on the Beach Boys.  They were playing second or third fiddle to The Beatles their entire career.  The pressure to do so nearly killed them all, and there is nothing left but nostalgia.  Their music is finely crafted pop, no doubt... but there is no shortage of that in the world.
 
2013-03-21 12:04:43 PM  

Crewmannumber6: The real watershed moment came two years later
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ubc5_owhl0


This +1,000
Author is really stretching to pull significance from 1967. Agree with crewmannumber6 - real influence started in '69.

/Prog Head
//Chapman Stick player
 
2013-03-21 12:09:47 PM  
Prog is about two things:
The virtuosity of instrumental performance and the reflective, classical idealism of the lyrics.
It is not to be confused with psychedelia, but they can play well together.

/sez me
//but not just me
 
2013-03-21 12:22:32 PM  

karmaceutical: FeedTheCollapse: RyansPrivates: I would argue that VU influenced them as well.  VU's influence is incredible (rivaled only by Bowie).  You ask any artist from prog rock, punk, metal, alternative, grunge, they will invariably name VU and/or David Bowie.

I agree, though I think VU's impact on Prog was more along the lines of the Krautrock strain (i.e. faust, can, Neu!, etc.) rather than the typical Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, etc. Prog-Rock that the article seems to be leaning towards.

This is a valid point.  I guess there is some disconnect between what the write is calling Prog and what some of us are calling Prog.

And I think it should be okay to hate on the Beach Boys.  They were playing second or third fiddle to The Beatles their entire career.  The pressure to do so nearly killed them all, and there is nothing left but nostalgia.  Their music is finely crafted pop, no doubt... but there is no shortage of that in the world.


I could rank the BBs sheer singing ability above the Beatles'.  Even on their earliest records, it was like
listening to the angels sing.  And I also truly believe that there has not been a musical prodigy of
Brian Wilson's calibre since Mozart, and that we will not see his like again for at least another century.

You are right, though, that coming out of the pop music sausage factory of the early 1960s did burn up
their artistic energy far too soon, especially in Brian Wilson's case.
 
2013-03-21 12:24:44 PM  
Prog rock is boring. This is a fact.
 
2013-03-21 12:35:14 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: karmaceutical: FeedTheCollapse: RyansPrivates: I would argue that VU influenced them as well.  VU's influence is incredible (rivaled only by Bowie).  You ask any artist from prog rock, punk, metal, alternative, grunge, they will invariably name VU and/or David Bowie.

I agree, though I think VU's impact on Prog was more along the lines of the Krautrock strain (i.e. faust, can, Neu!, etc.) rather than the typical Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, etc. Prog-Rock that the article seems to be leaning towards.

This is a valid point.  I guess there is some disconnect between what the write is calling Prog and what some of us are calling Prog.

And I think it should be okay to hate on the Beach Boys.  They were playing second or third fiddle to The Beatles their entire career.  The pressure to do so nearly killed them all, and there is nothing left but nostalgia.  Their music is finely crafted pop, no doubt... but there is no shortage of that in the world.

I could rank the BBs sheer singing ability above the Beatles'.  Even on their earliest records, it was like
listening to the angels sing.  And I also truly believe that there has not been a musical prodigy of
Brian Wilson's calibre since Mozart, and that we will not see his like again for at least another century.

You are right, though, that coming out of the pop music sausage factory of the early 1960s did burn up
their artistic energy far too soon, especially in Brian Wilson's case.


OldManDownDRoad: FlashHarry: karmaceutical: The effing Beach Boys??  Pass.

GAT_00: #1 Beach Boys *closes list*


the beach boys - especially their 1966 release "pet sounds" - were every bit as important, musically speaking, as the beatles.

Ab-so-farkin'-lutely. McCartney and Lennon both have said that "Pet Sounds" had a lot to do with "Sgt Pepper." Even George Martin has mentioned how closely he listened to Brian Wilson's studio techniques. It's a shame that the surviving members of the band have become cartoons, much in the way that Elvis did in his last years. But the current caricatures shouldn't obscure their contributions. I'm just sad their "Holland" tour was never filmed, as far as I can tell. I saw it in a mid-sized auditorium and was blown away at how excellent it was. While the rest of the country was listening to mellow Southern California country rock, these guys were still pushing boundaries. Donald Fagen, never one to lavish praise, has said that tour had a lot to do with the direction he was pushing the early Steely Dan.


That is kind of a weird endorsement.  The king of over-produced commercial art pop giving a nod to the originators of over-produced commercial art pop.

/hates steely dan
 
2013-03-21 12:42:54 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: my guess is that TFA's definition of Prog Rock has more to do with Yes, ELP, King Crimson, etc. than any strain of Prog Rock VU would've influenced.


True, and admittedly I sorta glossed over the word "prog" in the headline, focused more on "rock" and "1967" and unleashed my rant.

Still, VU are one of the bands that, while not every song of theirs was good, swung for the fences every time and are influential in modern music for many genres. And, I also think Lou Reed is kind of an asshole and not someone I'd want to meet, so I totally understand his "turnoff" factor.
 
2013-03-21 12:43:27 PM  
Seems obvious to me, if you try to look like very old composer or even older troubadour, you're progressive, if you try something new, you're not
/See also Punk Rock = New Wave
 
2013-03-21 12:47:42 PM  

barefoot in the head: Prog is about two things:
The virtuosity of instrumental performance and the reflective, classical idealism of the lyrics.
It is not to be confused with psychedelia, but they can play well together.

/sez me
//but not just me


Nah man.  Prog is about notes.  You've got to play a lot of notes.  Every instrumentalist gets a chance to totally wank out on their instrument, or someone else's if the piece calls for it.  You've got to have more notes than The Velvet Underground ever recorded packed into a single 6:45 prelude to a electric orchestral suite.
 
2013-03-21 12:52:11 PM  

Propain_az: alan parsons project ?


Years active    1975-1990  (according to wikipedia)

But yes,  a very influential "band" close to that era
And as for songs I think Games People Play ranks right alongside Nights in White Satin coming from two of my favorite albums.
 
2013-03-21 12:53:38 PM  

bugmn99: Prog rock is boring. This is a fact.


Only if done properly.
 
2013-03-21 12:56:50 PM  

Propain_az: alan parsons project ?


Difficulty:  From 1967.
 
2013-03-21 01:21:44 PM  
 
2013-03-21 01:47:59 PM  

Martstar: CruiserTwelve: CaptSacto: Snotnose: I never heard of The Red Telephone, and I was 9 years old in 1967.   But yeah, as one who's first memories of music are Stairway to Heaven and School's Out, I'm ok with this list.

/ except I'd call it "songs that made music better"

I'd never heard of that one, either, and I was seriously into music in those days. Probably got lost in the Sgt. Pepper summer

I third that. I was 16 in 1967 and listened to music constantly but I never heard of either the song or the band.

As someone born 11 years after 1967, I obviously didn't experience any of it the firs time around, but I've noticed this album has become something of a favorite forgotten gem among music geeks, and ironically one of the most "popular" obscure albums of the period, over the last maybe 5-10 years.

But it's no wonder a lot of stuff got lost in the shuffle back then.  I actually find myself digging deep into music of the late '60s and early '70s and finding lots of obscure bands that were still doing really good stuff.


You might want to check out this book:
Unknown Legends of Rock'N Roll:Psychedelic Unknowns, Mad Geniuses, Punk Pioneers, Lo-Fi Mavericks & MoreThe title explains it pretty well. The book covers many genres of music. I just wrote down every band/artist name and then looked them up on the youtube and found lots of great music as well as not so great andjust plain weird stuff.
 
2013-03-21 01:57:39 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I could rank the BBs sheer singing ability above the Beatles'.


you're right. listen to THIS.
 
2013-03-21 03:00:06 PM  

FlashHarry: DjangoStonereaver: I could rank the BBs sheer singing ability above the Beatles'.

you're right. listen to THIS.


GOD ONLY KNOWS is Paul McCartney's favourite song.

That should about say it all.
 
2013-03-21 03:13:24 PM  
FTFA:  "Jim Morrison's stream of consciousness Götterdämmerung will incite debates until the sacred cows come home, but there can be no quarrel with the music. Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger do some of their finest-if understated-work here, but it is John Densmore's passive-aggressive percussion that represents (certainly at the time of its recording) an apotheosis of sorts."

Who farking writes like this?
 
2013-03-21 03:17:14 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: FTFA:  "Jim Morrison's stream of consciousness Götterdämmerung will incite debates until the sacred cows come home, but there can be no quarrel with the music. Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger do some of their finest-if understated-work here, but it is John Densmore's passive-aggressive percussion that represents (certainly at the time of its recording) an apotheosis of sorts."

Who farking writes like this?


music critics have been writing pretentious drivel like this for years.
 
2013-03-21 03:38:49 PM  

FlashHarry: Mr_Fabulous: FTFA:  "Jim Morrison's stream of consciousness Götterdämmerung will incite debates until the sacred cows come home, but there can be no quarrel with the music. Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger do some of their finest-if understated-work here, but it is John Densmore's passive-aggressive percussion that represents (certainly at the time of its recording) an apotheosis of sorts."

Who farking writes like this?

music critics have been writing pretentious drivel like this for years.


I know.... rhetorical. But that blurb is a beaut.
 
2013-03-21 03:55:01 PM  
10. The Kinks - "Waterloo Sunset"

Of course, this song, and the Kinks, were/are much less popular and appreciated in the States...

Not me, I LOVE The Kinks.Everything is different from the song before, and it's really amazing over the yeas how much has made it to the radio at one point or another. For reasons that I am completely unclear on, Come Dancing is my favorite, but the list of Kinks songs I like is pretty long.
 
2013-03-21 03:57:39 PM  
How ten pieces from 1767 shaped classical music...

Pfft. Easy to find 10 examples of any musical form in any year that "shaped" any musical form that followed. In 1767, It was Mozart, the Haydns, Gluk, Arne, CPE Bach, and Sacchini that paved the way for the romanticists. So, in '66, bands like Jefferson Airplane (Jefferson Airplane Takes Off), Frank Zappa (Freak Out), The Seeds (A Web of Sound), 13th Floor Elevators (The Psychedelic Sounds...), The Beach Boys (Pet Sounds), and Donovan (Sunshine Superman) didn't have any influence on the prog-rock movement that came after? 1967 was a cool year, to be sure, but trying to make it the artistic nexus of the travesty called prog rock that came later is bullshait.
 
2013-03-21 05:08:57 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: karmaceutical: FeedTheCollapse: RyansPrivates: I would argue that VU influenced them as well.  VU's influence is incredible (rivaled only by Bowie).  You ask any artist from prog rock, punk, metal, alternative, grunge, they will invariably name VU and/or David Bowie.

I agree, though I think VU's impact on Prog was more along the lines of the Krautrock strain (i.e. faust, can, Neu!, etc.) rather than the typical Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, etc. Prog-Rock that the article seems to be leaning towards.

This is a valid point.  I guess there is some disconnect between what the write is calling Prog and what some of us are calling Prog.

And I think it should be okay to hate on the Beach Boys.  They were playing second or third fiddle to The Beatles their entire career.  The pressure to do so nearly killed them all, and there is nothing left but nostalgia.  Their music is finely crafted pop, no doubt... but there is no shortage of that in the world.

I could rank the BBs sheer singing ability above the Beatles'.  Even on their earliest records, it was like
listening to the angels sing.  And I also truly believe that there has not been a musical prodigy of
Brian Wilson's calibre since Mozart, and that we will not see his like again for at least another century.

You are right, though, that coming out of the pop music sausage factory of the early 1960s did burn up
their artistic energy far too soon, especially in Brian Wilson's case.


To me the Beach Boys have always been, as has been alluded to, the pinnacle of pop.  I don't mean that to sound like a slam.  Pop serves a good purpose; it is music you don't think about and directly inspired (or was rebelled against) a lot of good music.  The Ramones, one of my favorites, skewer pop mercilessly, while borrowing some of the "vernacular".
 
2013-03-21 05:12:12 PM  

Chainsaw Turd Elf: Martstar: CruiserTwelve: CaptSacto: Snotnose: I never heard of The Red Telephone, and I was 9 years old in 1967.   But yeah, as one who's first memories of music are Stairway to Heaven and School's Out, I'm ok with this list.

/ except I'd call it "songs that made music better"

I'd never heard of that one, either, and I was seriously into music in those days. Probably got lost in the Sgt. Pepper summer

I third that. I was 16 in 1967 and listened to music constantly but I never heard of either the song or the band.

As someone born 11 years after 1967, I obviously didn't experience any of it the firs time around, but I've noticed this album has become something of a favorite forgotten gem among music geeks, and ironically one of the most "popular" obscure albums of the period, over the last maybe 5-10 years.

But it's no wonder a lot of stuff got lost in the shuffle back then.  I actually find myself digging deep into music of the late '60s and early '70s and finding lots of obscure bands that were still doing really good stuff.

You might want to check out this book:
Unknown Legends of Rock'N Roll:Psychedelic Unknowns, Mad Geniuses, Punk Pioneers, Lo-Fi Mavericks & MoreThe title explains it pretty well. The book covers many genres of music. I just wrote down every band/artist name and then looked them up on the youtube and found lots of great music as well as not so great andjust plain weird stuff.


Cool, thanks for the tip. I added that to my amazon list.

Meanwhile, my own method has been to go through issues of this magazine from the UK and look for the as many things as I can on Spotify. I have several issues in digital form on my iPad (cheaper than retail cost of imported issues), so it's just a matter of clicking back and forth any time something peaks my interest. A dangerous rabbit hole to go down when I should be doing something more productive....
 
2013-03-21 05:13:46 PM  

Martstar: Meanwhile, my own method has been to go through issues of this magazine from the UK and look for the as many things as I can on Spotify. I have several issues in digital form on my iPad (cheaper than retail cost of imported issues), so it's just a matter of clicking back and forth any time something peaks my interest. A dangerous rabbit hole to go down when I should be doing something more productive....


For some reason the filter threw away my link, the name of the magazine is Shindig!
 
2013-03-21 05:56:26 PM  
rhiannon is right. Just random songs. Nothing to do with prog rock. If I am incorrect, however, then we need a new genre where to put the Moody Blues, because as far as I'm concerned I thought they pretty much were prog rock incarnate.
 
2013-03-21 06:23:44 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: Killer Cars: karmaceutical: The Doors but no Velvet Underground?

I have no earthly idea how VU's debut album isn't on the list. I realize 1967 was a pretty loaded year for great albums, but you can easily make the case Lou Reed and gang made the most influential and daring one of all.

Christ, a song like "Heroin" would've still been considered visionary if not released until 10 years later.

my guess is that TFA's definition of Prog Rock has more to do with Yes, ELP, King Crimson, etc. than any strain of Prog Rock VU would've influenced.


I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE
 
2013-03-21 06:34:57 PM  

Gordon Bennett: CaptSacto: Snotnose: I never heard of The Red Telephone, and I was 9 years old in 1967.   But yeah, as one who's first memories of music are Stairway to Heaven and School's Out, I'm ok with this list.

/ except I'd call it "songs that made music better"

I'd never heard of that one, either, and I was seriously into music in those days. Probably got lost in the Sgt. Pepper summer

Love are definitely an unfairly forgotten band. I wouldn't have known about them myself had The Damned not covered one of their songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYVDN27CrOo


It makes me happy that people under 35 or so really don't understand why Love wasn't huge in the middle 60's, and a little sad that people over 45 still know exactly why.
 
2013-03-21 08:14:47 PM  

MFAWG: a little sad that people over 45 still know exactly why.


it's sad we cannot explain it to them.
 
2013-03-21 11:01:44 PM  
DjangoStonereaver: And I also truly believe that there has not been a musical prodigy of
Brian Wilson's calibre since Mozart, and that we will not see his like again for at least another century.


Oh please, Brian Wilson wrote pleasant pop music and for about 18 months while making Pet Sounds and SMiLE he had *IT*. You want a real prodigy, here's your kid:

media.web.britannica.com

Erich Wolfgang Korngold was born in 1897, and by the time he was 13, he had already written the music, in a lush late-romantic style, for a theater piece that was produced in Vienna. He was so talented so young that Mahler, Strauss, Puccini and others were amazed at what he was doing. He ended up writing a great opera, Die Tote Stadt, when he was 19-21 and some great orchestral pieces. He fled the Nazis and ended up helping invent film music after he settled in Hollywood (Toluca Lake, actually). His film scores are incredible, I especially love The Sea Wolf.

Brian Wilson, please.

/Love Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations and some of the BB's singles
 
2013-03-22 12:37:42 AM  

Entity79: List fails. Where's The Nice? Or Zappa's King Kong? Or the Soft Machine?


Kind of surprised also to not see The Nice considering that Emerson was in ELP.  I picked up a Nice album about 15 years ago just because I saw Emerson's name on it.  I was such a bizarre album.  A song would start out as 60's bubble gum pop until the keyboard solo, then it would turn into some epic classical thing and then go back to the pop for the ending.  It was just all over the place stylistically.  Interesting to listen to though.  Here's a link to one of their songs if anyone's interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo7Ru9dLP_o
 
2013-03-22 01:52:43 AM  

MFAWG: Gordon Bennett: CaptSacto: Snotnose: I never heard of The Red Telephone, and I was 9 years old in 1967.   But yeah, as one who's first memories of music are Stairway to Heaven and School's Out, I'm ok with this list.

/ except I'd call it "songs that made music better"

I'd never heard of that one, either, and I was seriously into music in those days. Probably got lost in the Sgt. Pepper summer

Love are definitely an unfairly forgotten band. I wouldn't have known about them myself had The Damned not covered one of their songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYVDN27CrOo

It makes me happy that people under 35 or so really don't understand why Love wasn't huge in the middle 60's, and a little sad that people over 45 still know exactly why.


I'm under 35, and I'm somewhat sure why they weren't  huge in the middle 60's..... they were a combination of catchy mainstream hooks and "out there" psychedelicism, suite-songs, etc. Too folky for the psych crowd, too psych for the folk crowd.

So, tell me what the over 45 people know......... "exactly why" did they not massively succeed?
 
2013-03-22 06:11:17 PM  

Martstar: CruiserTwelve: CaptSacto: Snotnose: I never heard of The Red Telephone, and I was 9 years old in 1967.   But yeah, as one who's first memories of music are Stairway to Heaven and School's Out, I'm ok with this list.

/ except I'd call it "songs that made music better"

I'd never heard of that one, either, and I was seriously into music in those days. Probably got lost in the Sgt. Pepper summer

I third that. I was 16 in 1967 and listened to music constantly but I never heard of either the song or the band.

As someone born 11 years after 1967, I obviously didn't experience any of it the firs time around, but I've noticed this album has become something of a favorite forgotten gem among music geeks, and ironically one of the most "popular" obscure albums of the period, over the last maybe 5-10 years.

But it's no wonder a lot of stuff got lost in the shuffle back then.  I actually find myself digging deep into music of the late '60s and early '70s and finding lots of obscure bands that were still doing really good stuff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2NXyxDESm0

you might like this.
 
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