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2013-03-21 02:31:27 AM  
Please don't play like a 34-year-old
 
2013-03-21 02:41:17 AM  
He's trading his jock in for a rhinestone thong
 
2013-03-21 06:35:25 AM  
As a Texans fan this is pretty big news. Still doesn't fix our noodle armed QB or non existent number two WR though
 
2013-03-21 07:01:14 AM  
Texans will still have to use a reasonably high draft pick on a safety for Reed to mentor over the next couple years.  It is a great short-term fix though for the secondary.  With Posey out for much of 2013 they may finally use a top pick on receiver, something they haven't done since Andre, unless you consider a 3 a top pick.
 
2013-03-21 07:06:27 AM  
I'd like to have seen him retire in Baltimore, it is what it is in today's league. Good luck in Houston Ed.
 
2013-03-21 07:10:36 AM  

mjones73: I'd like to have seen him retire in Baltimore, it is what it is in today's league. Good luck in Houston Ed.


I'm hoping after two years in Houston he takes a $1.00 deal and comes back to Baltimore so he can hang up his jersey here.

I'm sad to see him go because he's been such a presence for so long, but he is no longer the player he once was and I have no qualms with him going where he can get paid.
 
2013-03-21 07:15:17 AM  

INeedAName: mjones73: I'd like to have seen him retire in Baltimore, it is what it is in today's league. Good luck in Houston Ed.

I'm hoping after two years in Houston he takes a $1.00 deal and comes back to Baltimore so he can hang up his jersey here.

I'm sad to see him go because he's been such a presence for so long, but he is no longer the player he once was and I have no qualms with him going where he can get paid.


Agreed
 
2013-03-21 07:35:23 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Please don't play like a 34-year-old


He's a 34 year old safety with neck and shoulder injuries that have prevented/discouraged him from wrap-tackling for two years. He'll hit, but wrapping up big guys... He'll move aside and try to hit from the side. The injuries have prompted him to publicly consider retirement in 2012 and 2011.

He's slower in coverage than he used to be, and getting slower.

He's been a guy - especially recently - that will air his greivances in the media before the locker room.

That said, he still has an ability to diagnose and read a play faster than anyone I've seen not named Ray Lewis. He's good at being a coach on the feild to the secondary.

If he's put in a position of having to rely on his physical talent he will be a disappointment. He can't do run support. If put in a position to play center field he can be productive against receivers that are not physically exceptional in either speed or size. He will also help most against inexperienced QB's.

His greatest value will be leadership, and insight into the Ravens and Pats. He's not been fantastic against Manning.
 
2013-03-21 07:41:16 AM  
All that said, thanks Ed. You were an amazing player and did a lot for the team and city. I hope you stay healthy (except maybe one week a year against Baltimore...) and can retire a Raven when all said and done.
 
2013-03-21 08:09:14 AM  

Deneb81: HaywoodJablonski: Please don't play like a 34-year-old

He's a 34 year old safety with neck and shoulder injuries that have prevented/discouraged him from wrap-tackling for two years. He'll hit, but wrapping up big guys... He'll move aside and try to hit from the side. The injuries have prompted him to publicly consider retirement in 2012 and 2011.

He's slower in coverage than he used to be, and getting slower.

He's been a guy - especially recently - that will air his greivances in the media before the locker room.

That said, he still has an ability to diagnose and read a play faster than anyone I've seen not named Ray Lewis. He's good at being a coach on the feild to the secondary.

If he's put in a position of having to rely on his physical talent he will be a disappointment. He can't do run support. If put in a position to play center field he can be productive against receivers that are not physically exceptional in either speed or size. He will also help most against inexperienced QB's.

His greatest value will be leadership, and insight into the Ravens and Pats. He's not been fantastic against Manning.


I know this, you know this, and Ed knows this.  Which is why he'll go down with an injury during pre-season that lasts until November, play a few games, get injured again, sit out the rest of the season till the playoffs, get injured again, and retire.  Of course, he'll be laughing maniacally to the bank the entire time.  I give him 5, maybe 6 games max.  But he'll be the highest paid, most motivational and worst looking cheerleader on the sidelines next season for the Texans.
 
2013-03-21 09:07:32 AM  
The poll, "Are you in favor?" No, dammit. I'm a Colts fan.
 
2013-03-21 09:34:27 AM  

funk_soul_bubby: The poll, "Are you in favor?" No, dammit. I'm a Colts fan.


Yeah - inexperienced QB without a physically dominant WR is pretty much worst case scenario against Reed at this point.

It's a good division for him.

Although, Houston is very close to home. I'm wondering how much time he spends in NO instead of Texas.
 
2013-03-21 09:45:15 AM  

INeedAName: mjones73: I'd like to have seen him retire in Baltimore, it is what it is in today's league. Good luck in Houston Ed.

I'm hoping after two years in Houston he takes a $1.00 deal and comes back to Baltimore so he can hang up his jersey here.

I'm sad to see him go because he's been such a presence for so long, but he is no longer the player he once was and I have no qualms with him going where he can get paid.


That, although I wish he didn't have to stop in Houston first.

If (he goes to the Texans and if) the Texans make the playoffs, Reed has a chance to set the record for most postseason INTs (he's tied Ronnie Lott, Charlie Waters and Bill Simpson at 9).

// he's also going to be a DB coach inside of 5 years after retirement
// hell, he's already probably better than 3/4 of the DBCs currently in the league
 
2013-03-21 10:03:50 AM  
Sorry to see you go, Ed, but I understand you're making a business decision. Thanks a for the best years of your career; you'll always be a Raven.
 
2013-03-21 10:38:30 AM  

qsblues: Deneb81: HaywoodJablonski: Please don't play like a 34-year-old

He's a 34 year old safety with neck and shoulder injuries that have prevented/discouraged him from wrap-tackling for two years. He'll hit, but wrapping up big guys... He'll move aside and try to hit from the side. The injuries have prompted him to publicly consider retirement in 2012 and 2011.

He's slower in coverage than he used to be, and getting slower.

He's been a guy - especially recently - that will air his greivances in the media before the locker room.

That said, he still has an ability to diagnose and read a play faster than anyone I've seen not named Ray Lewis. He's good at being a coach on the feild to the secondary.

If he's put in a position of having to rely on his physical talent he will be a disappointment. He can't do run support. If put in a position to play center field he can be productive against receivers that are not physically exceptional in either speed or size. He will also help most against inexperienced QB's.

His greatest value will be leadership, and insight into the Ravens and Pats. He's not been fantastic against Manning.

I know this, you know this, and Ed knows this.  Which is why he'll go down with an injury during pre-season that lasts until November, play a few games, get injured again, sit out the rest of the season till the playoffs, get injured again, and retire.  Of course, he'll be laughing maniacally to the bank the entire time.  I give him 5, maybe 6 games max.  But he'll be the highest paid, most motivational and worst looking cheerleader on the sidelines next season for the Texans.


www.apse.net

Approves

But seriously, can't hold it against Reed. Gave Baltimore a lot of good years, won a ring with 'em.

/Like Mason, Reed will retire as a Raven.
 
2013-03-21 11:26:34 AM  
I will say - I think Houston over paid. Reed will give them most of a year of play. Maybe most of two years.

The Ravens picked up Leach, Pollard, and Jones from Houston when HOU thought they weren't worth the money. Now they're taking a guy the Ravens don't feel is worth the money.

Let's see who made the better choices -
Ravens: Super Bowl
Texans: TBD
 
2013-03-21 12:53:26 PM  
when I read the headline all I could think is "PLEASE FSM DONT LET THIS BE ANOTHER SENIOR CITIZEN THE VIKINGS ARE PICKING UP!!!"

And yes I was yelling in my mind. It wasnt warranted.
 
2013-03-21 01:15:15 PM  

robertus: Like Mason, Reed will retire as a Raven.


Why did he retire as a Raven?  His best years were in Tennessee and he was there longer.
 
2013-03-21 04:14:01 PM  
I'll be surprised if the opening Pats/Ravens game isn't a track meet
 
2013-03-21 04:22:58 PM  
I expected him to retire.  You'll be missed, Ed.

/Guess I need to get a new jersey.  Is Leach still a Raven?
 
2013-03-21 04:35:34 PM  

Deneb81: I will say - I think Houston over paid. Reed will give them most of a year of play. Maybe most of two years.

The Ravens picked up Leach, Pollard, and Jones from Houston when HOU thought they weren't worth the money. Now they're taking a guy the Ravens don't feel is worth the money.

Let's see who made the better choices -
Ravens: Super Bowl
Texans: TBD


Well, one of those teams is looking to be competitive for the next couple of seasons while the other has been dismantled in what amounts to a fire sale after a championship run.

Maybe Reed's trying for one more ring before he retires?
 
2013-03-21 04:43:42 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Maybe Reed's trying for one more ring before he retires?


Is he close to any records?  [Checks intrawebs].  Hmm.  Tied for playoff interceptions.  And some more interception return yards wouldn't hurt, either.
 
2013-03-21 05:51:13 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Well, one of those teams is looking to be competitive for the next couple of seasons while the other has been dismantled in what amounts to a fire sale after a championship run.


Outside of Boldin, the Ravens haven't lost much on offense.  Dismantling the 20th ranked defense during the off season wouldn't cause problems with any other team except the Ravens (maybe the Steelers).

Ngata is still there.  Suggs and Lardarius Webb are still there.  Chris Canty can still ball.  Spears. Possibly Dumervil (although I doubt they pay for him).  Add in Courtney Upshaw, Albert McClellan and 12 draft picks and I'm not sure what the big huff is all about.

Wait and see if the new guys can't handle what's going on before saying "things are disastrous".
 
2013-03-21 09:19:09 PM  

degenerate-afro: AdmirableSnackbar: Well, one of those teams is looking to be competitive for the next couple of seasons while the other has been dismantled in what amounts to a fire sale after a championship run.

Outside of Boldin, the Ravens haven't lost much on offense.  Dismantling the 20th ranked defense during the off season wouldn't cause problems with any other team except the Ravens (maybe the Steelers).

Ngata is still there.  Suggs and Lardarius Webb are still there.  Chris Canty can still ball.  Spears. Possibly Dumervil (although I doubt they pay for him).  Add in Courtney Upshaw, Albert McClellan and 12 draft picks and I'm not sure what the big huff is all about.

Wait and see if the new guys can't handle what's going on before saying "things are disastrous".


The Ravens lost their best WR and two starters on the offensive line.  On defense, they lost 3 of 4 starting linebackers and 3 of 4 starting players in the secondary and two of those losses were immeasurable (Lewis and Reed) in that they were some of the best to ever play their respective positions.  So much of football is about continuity and the Ravens just lost 9 starters - and good ones, too.  Their defense wasn't great but now it's likely to be downright terrible and it's going to take a few years to get players of the caliber that they have lost - and that's if they draft nearly perfectly.  And their offense just won't be good enough - not with their current personnel - to overcome that.  This is no longer a team that is built to be very good when it absolutely needs to be, and that's fine by me.
 
2013-03-21 10:07:50 PM  

The Singing Bush: robertus: Like Mason, Reed will retire as a Raven.

Why did he retire as a Raven?  His best years were in Tennessee and he was there longer.


Not sure he ever gave a reason, but he was always pretty popular while he was here. He was basically the receiver on the squad, before they brought in Boldin.
 
2013-03-21 10:37:38 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: degenerate-afro: AdmirableSnackbar: Well, one of those teams is looking to be competitive for the next couple of seasons while the other has been dismantled in what amounts to a fire sale after a championship run.

Outside of Boldin, the Ravens haven't lost much on offense.  Dismantling the 20th ranked defense during the off season wouldn't cause problems with any other team except the Ravens (maybe the Steelers).

Ngata is still there.  Suggs and Lardarius Webb are still there.  Chris Canty can still ball.  Spears. Possibly Dumervil (although I doubt they pay for him).  Add in Courtney Upshaw, Albert McClellan and 12 draft picks and I'm not sure what the big huff is all about.

Wait and see if the new guys can't handle what's going on before saying "things are disastrous".

The Ravens lost their best WR and two starters on the offensive line.  On defense, they lost 3 of 4 starting linebackers and 3 of 4 starting players in the secondary and two of those losses were immeasurable (Lewis and Reed) in that they were some of the best to ever play their respective positions.  So much of football is about continuity and the Ravens just lost 9 starters - and good ones, too.  Their defense wasn't great but now it's likely to be downright terrible and it's going to take a few years to get players of the caliber that they have lost - and that's if they draft nearly perfectly.  And their offense just won't be good enough - not with their current personnel - to overcome that.  This is no longer a team that is built to be very good when it absolutely needs to be, and that's fine by me.


Wait, 9 starters?
Reed, Boldin, Pollard.  That's 3.  Who are the other 6?

Lewis and Birk retired, nothing you can do about that.  Both of them are still welcome to Ravens camp if they want to come and talk to the players. Their on field leadership will be missed surely, but players HAVE to retire some time.  They can't play forever.

Birk will probably start up some anti-gay focus on family group with Tebow.
We all know Ray will be on ESPN, so you'll get your fill of him too.

So that's 5

Kruger?  6 career starts in four seasons. Canty, Spears, and Dumervil all individually have more career starts.
Ellerbe?  14 starts in four seasons.  Again Canty, Spears, and Dumervil all have more career starts
Williams?  You mean ol' "punch a ref in the mouth during the Super Bowl" McGee?  I think Webb will cover for his absence just fine.

Still at 5 people.
 Bryant McKinnie hasn't technically left yet, but certainly he can't be one of the irreplaceable starters you are talking about.  He didn't even try to get into shape until the playoffs.  That's not the type of leadership you are looking for as a coach.


So who are the other four people you are referring to?
 
2013-03-22 01:53:54 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: The Ravens lost their best WR and two starters on the offensive line


Torrey Smith is still here, and d-a already covered the O-line part. :p

Admittedly, losing Boldin hurt, and losing Pollard was completely unexpected.  Nobody expected Lewis or Birk back, and few thought Reed would suit up for the Ravens next season (much as I like & respect him as a player & individual, his on-field contributions are highly unlikely to be worth the money he wanted).  Kruger & Ellerbe got paid far more than they probably merit at this point, but here's hoping they both continue to build off their success last season.  And Williams wasn't going to be starting next season anyway, unless someone got hurt again.

Instead, hopefully, we get Ngata, Webb, and Suggs all back & healthy next season (currently the three best defenders we had).  We'll almost certainly have Pitta & Dickson to compliment Smith/Jones/???? (and Rice).  We've got young talent that needs a chance to shine (just like Kruger & Ellerbe last season), tons of draft picks, and a bit of cap space to sign a couple more under-the-radar guys (like Jacoby Jones/Corey Graham last offseason, and Bernard Pollard the year before).  It's far too early to write the Ravens off in 2013.
 
2013-03-22 09:50:50 AM  

degenerate-afro: Wait, 9 starters?
Reed, Boldin, Pollard. That's 3. Who are the other 6?

Lewis and Birk retired, nothing you can do about that. Both of them are still welcome to Ravens camp if they want to come and talk to the players. Their on field leadership will be missed surely, but players HAVE to retire some time. They can't play forever.

Birk will probably start up some anti-gay focus on family group with Tebow.
We all know Ray will be on ESPN, so you'll get your fill of him too.

So that's 5

Kruger? 6 career starts in four seasons. Canty, Spears, and Dumervil all individually have more career starts.
Ellerbe? 14 starts in four seasons. Again Canty, Spears, and Dumervil all have more career starts
Williams? You mean ol' "punch a ref in the mouth during the Super Bowl" McGee? I think Webb will cover for his absence just fine.

Still at 5 people.
Bryant McKinnie hasn't technically left yet, but certainly he can't be one of the irreplaceable starters you are talking about. He didn't even try to get into shape until the playoffs. That's not the type of leadership you are looking for as a coach.


So who are the other four people you are referring to?


You named them all.  Funny, you seem to think that Canty, Spears, and Dumerville (who hasn't signed anywhere just yet) can play inside linebacker to cover the loss of Ellerbe?  Kruger was the Ravens' best front 7 player this season, and nobody knows if Suggs will be the same going forward.  Canty and Spears are nice players, but they are ultimately role players on the defensive line - which is nice, but they don't fill the gaping holes at LB or S that the Ravens now have.

The point is that whether or not you want to admit it, there will be at least 8 players starting for the Ravens this year, 6 on defense, who were not starters for the team during their championship run.  And aside from Williams - Webb might be good, but ultimately CBs don't matter much without decent safeties - and maybe, maybe Kruger if Upshaw pans out there is no one to replace them.  The middle of the Ravens defense is nonexistent right now, and that's not something that they're going to be able to fix through one draft.  This kind of turnover is what teams try to avoid unless they suck and are shedding dead weight, something that absolutely cannot be said about the Ravens this offseason.  It's more like something you'd see from the Florida Marlins after they win a championship.
 
2013-03-22 04:44:11 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: You named them all. Funny, you seem to think that Canty, Spears, and Dumerville (who hasn't signed anywhere just yet) can play inside linebacker to cover the loss of Ellerbe? Kruger was the Ravens' best front 7 player this season, and nobody knows if Suggs will be the same going forward. Canty and Spears are nice players, but they are ultimately role players on the defensive line - which is nice, but they don't fill the gaping holes at LB or S that the Ravens now have.

The point is that whether or not you want to admit it, there will be at least 8 players starting for the Ravens this year, 6 on defense, who were not starters for the team during their championship run. And aside from Williams - Webb might be good, but ultimately CBs don't matter much without decent safeties - and maybe, maybe Kruger if Upshaw pans out there is no one to replace them. The middle of the Ravens defense is nonexistent right now, and that's not something that they're going to be able to fix through one draft. This kind of turnover is what teams try to avoid unless they suck and are shedding dead weight, something that absolutely cannot be said about the Ravens this offseason. It's more like something you'd see from the Florida Marlins after they win a championship.


Your original quote was
"So much of football is about continuity and the Ravens just lost 9 starters - and good ones, too.  Their defense wasn't great but now it's likely to be downright terrible and it's going to take a few years to get players of the caliber that they have lost - and that's if they draft nearly perfectly. "

My point is that two of the people, Kruger and Ellerbe, were "potentially good" , but don't have the starts to support consistency.

One person, Williams, was a hot head that would have been tossed from any game that was not the Super Bowl and Lardarius Webb is a better corner than him anyway.

And, Bryant McKennie was a lazy sack bordering on Albert Haynesworth levels of wasted talent until the playoffs.  You generally don't consider a person who doesn't play for 3/4 of the season an irreplaceable talent unless they are Randy Moss.

Heck, I could even throw in Pollard with this group.  He's an excellent hitter and has a lot of talent, but his attitude is why he's moving on to his fourth team.  I wouldn't be surprised to see the Titans drop him after two seasons either.  Again, talent and bad attitude only go together when your talent is at a Randy Moss / Terrell Owens level.  This is coming from someone who would have preferred that the team keep Pollard.

The Ravens have a lot of line backers, but they will likely go with Jameel McClain and Albert McKlellan for the inside. Courtney Upshaw might even get a few snaps on the inside.

For Safety, that's a bigger question James Ihedigbo, Christian Thompson, and Omar Brown  while looking to the draft for depth would be most likely IMO.
 
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