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(Talking Points Memo)   Michael Steele: Minority outreach seems counterproductive when you keep trying to prevent them from voting   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 90
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2013-03-20 05:26:32 PM
Listen, as soon as Latinos experience trickle down, they will have no choice but to join the GOP.

Just need more tax cuts to get that going.
 
2013-03-20 05:26:57 PM

gilgigamesh: somedude210: hubiestubert: At this point, the party leadership has decided to back the Idiot Brigade. And they will reap as they sow...

I'm not so sure. They've been trying to push back against them in recent weeks. I think the derp brigade is knowing this and fighting tooth and nail and cranking the rhetoric and threats to primary anyone, regardless of how conservative they claim, if they do anything anti-derper.

the civil war is still going on, and the establishment is trying to have their emancipation proclamation with this immigration reform bill to completely screw over the tea party

CPAC decided to feature Sarah Palin and didn't even extend an invite to Christie, who is easily the most popular republican in America right now. If this is a civil war, I would say Richmond has been overrun, and Atlanta is burning.


Oh no, not yet.  Their version of Sherman hasn't showed up with soldiers holding torches and ready to throw at their houses.

Give 'em time though; when that happens you'll see all sorts of holy hell break loose in the GOP.
 
2013-03-20 05:27:06 PM

Kome: cettin: SEM still needs some work before it becomes a verified approach...

/Stats bigot

Interesting. I'm looking to employ SEM to analyze results of a study I'm currently running. Could you elaborate a little on what you mean by your comment, as serious critique might make me hesitant to use a technique that isn't properly validated.


I don't have the documentation on hand, but the common argument is that it is atheroetical/unscientific because the hypothesis is often not clearly stated prior to analysis and "best fit" is left up to the devices of the program.  I'm not really opposed to it, I was just being an ass...
 
2013-03-20 05:28:53 PM

2wolves: My advice to Republicans? Start drinking more than Mr Boehner.


Heavily.  HEA. VI. LY.

/calls his broker
//tells him to buy stocks in the Three Wise Men
///and short them
 
2013-03-20 05:34:30 PM

HotWingConspiracy: LOL, he does have a point.

No matter how good a steward of cash Peibus might be, his cost/benefit ratio is shiat compared to Steele. In a game where the only thing that matters is winning, nobody is going to give a damn if you found more cost efficient vendors.


Not to mention the fact that if you're winning as the head of the GOP then having bad finances is only a temporary condition.  Aside from all the social conservatism nonsense, the GOP pretty much runs on being very good at making rich people richer fund.  If you put those donations to work, cash flow won't be a problem.  However, in the nutjob era of the GOP, that money might be hard to come by since you can't produce anything more stunning than a gerrymandered house victory.
 
2013-03-20 05:46:33 PM
Every time I see the name Michael Steele in a headline, it takes a second before I realize it's NOT talking about the bass player for the Bangles.

i1126.photobucket.com

/I'm old
 
2013-03-20 05:56:13 PM
"It's what you say and what you do when you get there that matters most to people." -M.S.

This idea is too hard for the GOP and the Tea Baggers to understand. It won't fit on a bumper sticker.
 
2013-03-20 05:56:33 PM
i193.photobucket.com

www.mickisteele.net

I'd still do her.
 
2013-03-20 06:02:51 PM

LordJiro: somedude210: No shiat. Why aren't you still head of the party? Why did they muffle you when you were?

Rev. Skarekroe: Too bad you got fired for daring to claim that Rush Limbaugh is not the head of the Republican Party.

oh right....sonofabiatch GOP. Have you learned NOTHING?

Learning is socialist.


You can even take a step back from there. Facts are socialist, and enemies of the State.
 
2013-03-20 06:04:42 PM
It seems more and more that the republican party is trying to step in two different directions at once and both feet are off the ground at the same time. I feel a painful split coming on. Groin cream at the ready!
 
2013-03-20 06:05:30 PM

wotthefark: I'd still do her.


Who are you kidding?

You'd still do your hand if it was covered in rabid bees.
 
2013-03-20 06:07:05 PM
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2013-03-20 06:07:36 PM
Fark Michael Steele. Where were all these reasonable, big-tent ideas while you were hammering checks from the RNC, you hypocrite? Don't try to convince us you're actually a decent guy who should be taken seriously now.

See also: Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice
 
2013-03-20 06:13:59 PM

Rug Doctor: Where were all these reasonable, big-tent ideas while you were hammering checks from the RNC, you hypocrite?


He had them, but no one was much listening to them. Then he criticized Rush and that was all she wrote.
 
2013-03-20 06:36:18 PM

somedude210: Soup4Bonnie: somedude210: since Marco Rubio is a nice cross-section of latino voters in America

What are you going to do?  They just aren't cottoning to Ted Cruz.

cottoning?

It'd be nice if they actually tried to find a legitimate latino voice from the south west who wasn't cuban and has more standing then "tea derper who won the senate seat" that you have with both Cruz and Rubio


Dude, didn't you know that Cubans represent all brown people? They are one group, united, and all the GOP has to do is prop up one brown face. Problem solved!
 
2013-03-20 06:36:46 PM
I wanted to see what freeperland had to say about this, but they are still raging over Michelle Obama bringing cookies to military families
 
2013-03-20 06:39:11 PM
Here's the problem I have with Mr. Steele:

If he was still in his position, he'd be defending the GOP tooth and nail.

So, I wonder how much of his talk is based in a sincere desire to see the GOP succeed, even with him gone from power...and how much of it is snarking at the leadership that replaced him out of a sense of spite and anger.

Either way, he's doing a fabulous job of highlighting the GOP's less-than-stellar options: Back the xenophobes or lose the WASP base.
 
2013-03-20 06:39:17 PM

Rwa2play: Lionel Mandrake: Update: Priebus declined to enage the point directly during an appearance on MSNBC later in the day, but noted - as he did earlier in the week - that the RNC was in financial disarray when Steele stepped down as chairman in 2011.

Oh, so you straitened things up?  How has the party done under your stewardship Reince?

"Financial disarray" = Code word for "You didn't drink the Flavor-Aid!  Now you'll be sent off to Siberia for reeducation!"


It could be code for "was Chairman before Citizens United passed".
 
2013-03-20 06:41:50 PM
This is kind of "yesterday's papers". I don't think the GOP will be pursuing voter ID laws with much fervor now - they were a last ditch attempt to save 2012, and they failed, and there is no way they can work now. An educated electorate know that they can't be turned away from the polls by any "voter ID" law now, and such laws will just make extra work for poll and election workers, without really discouraging voters.
As it turned out, they didn't even work in 2012.
 
2013-03-20 07:56:31 PM

somedude210: No shiat. Why aren't you still head of the party? Why did they muffle you when you were?

Rev. Skarekroe: Too bad you got fired for daring to claim that Rush Limbaugh is not the head of the Republican Party.

oh right....sonofabiatch GOP. Have you learned NOTHING?




"According to him, he's got a majority of members supporting him," Maddow said. "Really? What does it take to get fired at the RNC? Other than winning elections, of course. That obviously is grounds for dismissal."
 
2013-03-20 08:53:29 PM
The repubs have simply written off the blacks as a demographic. There's no point in courting them, it's more fun to torment them and marginally more effective to try to disenfranchise them. They think they have a winner in Rubio but that's because they don't understand that winning the Cuban vote in particular does not mean winning the Latino vote in general. Jindal is a flash in the pan. I suspect a lot of repubs don't know the difference between dot and feather Indians and they think that Jindal represents some kind of PC coup. When they realize that Jindal's niche demographic does not come with an accompanying voting bloc, they'll ditch him too.

The repubs were willing to give women a chance in the persons of Palin and Bachmann, but their utter failure to sway either the base or the general voting public means that they can be safely ignored. A huge sigh of relief ran through the right wing-o-sphere when it became apparent that they would not have to vote for someone equipped with a vagina. Bachmann will cling to her house seat as long as she can, Palin will end up either Dancing with the Stars or on the Home Shopping Network.

You have to wonder why people like Steele stay with the repubs. They've done everything but call him boy and told him to fetch them a mimosa. The same is true for Log Cabin gays. I mean, sure, you hate taxes and 30 years ago the repubs really were the party of fiscal responsibility, but do you enjoy being demonized and ignored by your own party? It seems to me that, unless you are very wealthy or a white Southern Baptist, it takes a certain amount of masochism to be a repub. Unless you're densely stupid you find yourself supporting positions you known in your heart to be wrong out of a sense of loyalty and an unwillingness to admit you've made a huge mistake.
 
2013-03-20 09:13:50 PM
Republicans have a two-pronged strategy for victory: get the Mexicans to self-deport, and get the blacks to self-disenfranchise.  Bam, Republican victory in 2016. Book it, done.
 
2013-03-20 09:19:42 PM
No fan of Michael Steele.  But he left the party in financial disarray probably because he could not appeal to the far-right that is funding the Republican party today.
 
2013-03-20 09:29:53 PM
Came for the bibble, leaving satisbibble.
 
2013-03-20 11:04:23 PM

Kome: Not that I don't love you, but could you post links to these things as well as/instead of DOI?


Sorry, it's part of my personal campaign to have DOI eventually supplant APA an other citation methods. =P

(When I have more time, I sometimes link the DOI.)

Kome: Easier than a DOI look-up (in spite of being incredibly easy), and even though most articles are behind some sort of paywall, even a link that only gives the abstract might get more people to read a little of this stuff.


Actually, that's most of the abstract for both of those. I think both were behind paywalls, though some Googling might turn up a leaked copy.
 
2013-03-20 11:04:26 PM

cettin: Kome: cettin: SEM still needs some work before it becomes a verified approach...

/Stats bigot

Interesting. I'm looking to employ SEM to analyze results of a study I'm currently running. Could you elaborate a little on what you mean by your comment, as serious critique might make me hesitant to use a technique that isn't properly validated.

I don't have the documentation on hand, but the common argument is that it is atheroetical/unscientific because the hypothesis is often not clearly stated prior to analysis and "best fit" is left up to the devices of the program.  I'm not really opposed to it, I was just being an ass...


Meh, I know there's a big discussion going on regarding the utility of factor analysis in favor of SEM, but I sadly don't pay enough attention to discussion on statistical analysis as I should. So when I hear things like this, I want to know more. If you can find the time, would you send me some links or articles that go a little into this? If not, no big deal. Just, if it's not an inconvenience, I'd appreciate it.
 
2013-03-20 11:53:31 PM
The GOP thinks it can separate the "respectable" minorities from the rest and recruit the former.  Respectable minorities got their ID, got their health care, got theirs; they'll fark the rest if Republicans just show them why it's in their best interests.

I can't wait to see how that works out.
 
2013-03-21 12:30:54 AM
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GOSH!!

REALLY!?

WHO'DA THUNK IT?
 
2013-03-21 12:30:57 AM

BarkingUnicorn: The GOP thinks it can separate the "respectable" minorities from the rest and recruit the former.  Respectable minorities got their ID, got their health care, got theirs; they'll fark the rest if Republicans just show them why it's in their best interests.

I can't wait to see how that works out.


Actually, I have to go with an earlier assessment made in this thread:

They've abandoned any pretense of trying to get the black vote and have jumped ahead to get the Hispanic vote by means of Rubio.  They just assume 'brown people are going to vote for brown people, and he's brown, so we're good now'.   Without realizing that quite a few groups of Hispanic people don't like each other for various reasons.
 
2013-03-21 12:53:14 AM
Well... durrrrr!
 
2013-03-21 04:33:30 AM

clambam: The repubs have simply written off the blacks as a demographic. There's no point in courting them, it's more fun to torment them and marginally more effective to try to disenfranchise them. They think they have a winner in Rubio but that's because they don't understand that winning the Cuban vote in particular does not mean winning the Latino vote in general. Jindal is a flash in the pan. I suspect a lot of repubs don't know the difference between dot and feather Indians and they think that Jindal represents some kind of PC coup. When they realize that Jindal's niche demographic does not come with an accompanying voting bloc, they'll ditch him too.

The repubs were willing to give women a chance in the persons of Palin and Bachmann, but their utter failure to sway either the base or the general voting public means that they can be safely ignored. A huge sigh of relief ran through the right wing-o-sphere when it became apparent that they would not have to vote for someone equipped with a vagina. Bachmann will cling to her house seat as long as she can, Palin will end up either Dancing with the Stars or on the Home Shopping Network.

You have to wonder why people like Steele stay with the repubs. They've done everything but call him boy and told him to fetch them a mimosa. The same is true for Log Cabin gays. I mean, sure, you hate taxes and 30 years ago the repubs really were the party of fiscal responsibility, but do you enjoy being demonized and ignored by your own party? It seems to me that, unless you are very wealthy or a white Southern Baptist, it takes a certain amount of masochism to be a repub. Unless you're densely stupid you find yourself supporting positions you known in your heart to be wrong out of a sense of loyalty and an unwillingness to admit you've made a huge mistake.


QFT. Just this post needs to be in every thread on this topic that comes up in the future.
 
2013-03-21 05:55:48 AM
I miss Micheal Steele. lol
 
2013-03-21 08:39:49 AM

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2013-03-21 08:49:43 AM

Kome: cettin: Kome: cettin: SEM still needs some work before it becomes a verified approach...

/Stats bigot

Interesting. I'm looking to employ SEM to analyze results of a study I'm currently running. Could you elaborate a little on what you mean by your comment, as serious critique might make me hesitant to use a technique that isn't properly validated.

I don't have the documentation on hand, but the common argument is that it is atheroetical/unscientific because the hypothesis is often not clearly stated prior to analysis and "best fit" is left up to the devices of the program.  I'm not really opposed to it, I was just being an ass...

Meh, I know there's a big discussion going on regarding the utility of factor analysis in favor of SEM, but I sadly don't pay enough attention to discussion on statistical analysis as I should. So when I hear things like this, I want to know more. If you can find the time, would you send me some links or articles that go a little into this? If not, no big deal. Just, if it's not an inconvenience, I'd appreciate it.


Check your yahoo...
 
2013-03-21 08:56:06 AM

Infernalist: Here's the problem I have with Mr. Steele:

If he was still in his position, he'd be defending the GOP tooth and nail.

So, I wonder how much of his talk is based in a sincere desire to see the GOP succeed, even with him gone from power...and how much of it is snarking at the leadership that replaced him out of a sense of spite and anger.

Either way, he's doing a fabulous job of highlighting the GOP's less-than-stellar options: Back the xenophobes or lose the WASP base.


to paraphrase jon stewart, i can't wait for steele's book. the gop took the house under his chairmanship and they kicked him to the curb. he wasn't even invited to the rnc 2012 convention. even if it was his luck being the chairman at the right time, their treatment of him as if he's a leaper is frustrating.
 
2013-03-21 09:51:38 AM
clambam: ...someone equipped with a vagina. Bachmann will cling to her house seat...

Eww.
 
2013-03-21 10:15:01 AM
Republican plan:  "Hey minorities!  If you'll vote for us, we will stop trying to prevent you from voting."
 
2013-03-21 11:07:26 AM

sxacho: clambam: ...someone equipped with a vagina. Bachmann will cling to her house seat...

Eww.


You should have seen what I was originally going to say...
 
2013-03-21 02:25:00 PM

lilbjorn: Republican plan:  "Hey minorities!  If you'll vote for us, we will stop trying to prevent you from voting."



According to the National Review, "polls find that most blacks support voter-ID laws."

https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/articles/342411/sam-s-smear?pg=3"

Maybe they think that voter-id laws are a way of reaching out . . .
 
2013-03-22 12:45:39 PM
This is not the first time he's said this. When he said it before, he was accused of being a traitor and calling Republicans racist. They drummed him out as head of the RNC for saying this.

He still hasn't learned: You can never even dream of telling white people the truth.

I'm gonna go find me a white man and lie to him right now.
 
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