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(KATU)   Another of those consequences nobody ever thinks about. Legalized marijuana means all the drug dogs need to be retrained   (katu.com) divider line 104
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2013-03-20 02:09:42 PM
Why would they forget how to bark on command?
 
2013-03-20 02:16:51 PM
A spokesdog, asked about the prospects of former police dogs on the job market, admitted that the outlook was "rough".
 
2013-03-20 02:30:43 PM

beantowndog: Why would they forget how to bark on command?


It's not that simple. They've been trained to bark when they smell pot (or when the handler gives the "say this guy has pot so that we can legally beat him to within an inch of his life and steal all his worldly possessions without the slightest chance of repercussions" command). If pot is not illegal, the dogs' barks become worthless to the cops -- they might as well be barking because the guy has steak or a cat in his car.
 
2013-03-20 02:47:26 PM

BunkoSquad: A spokesdog, asked about the prospects of former police dogs on the job market, admitted that the outlook was "rough".


They'll just have to stay home, eat milk bones, and get high.
 
2013-03-20 02:47:38 PM
Yeah, you're right. Let's just keep incarcerating non-violent potheads.
 
2013-03-20 03:08:44 PM

King Something: beantowndog: Why would they forget how to bark on command?

It's not that simple. They've been trained to bark when they smell pot (or when the handler gives the "say this guy has pot so that we can legally beat him to within an inch of his life and steal all his worldly possessions without the slightest chance of repercussions" command). If pot is not illegal, the dogs' barks become worthless to the cops -- they might as well be barking because the guy has steak or a cat in his car.


No they don't, because of what you said before it. Instead of being pot, they'll claim it was coke, meth, heroin, [insert illegal narcotic here] that the dog picked up and still have probable cause to search. Your car could be completely brand-spanking new just driven off the lot and as long as the dog barks, they're justified in searching. The only difference now would be actually finding pot and not being able to do shiat about it besides harassing the person.

Wasn't there a supreme court ruling on drug-sniffing dogs recently? They basically said even if the dog has a fail rate of 90%, it's justified because they wouldn't have caught the actual bad 10% otherwise.
 
2013-03-20 03:09:46 PM
So, their noses will be out of joint?
 
2013-03-20 03:37:09 PM
THINK OF THE PUPPIES
 
2013-03-20 03:37:37 PM
1.  Put training pot dogs up for sale.
2.  Sell to forgetful potheads who always loses their stash.
3.  Profit!
 
2013-03-20 03:38:13 PM

tricycleracer: Put training pot dogs up for sale.


Wow, that was a clusterfark of words.
 
2013-03-20 03:38:40 PM

beantowndog: Why would they forget how to bark on command?


Done it one.

King Something: beantowndog: Why would they forget how to bark on command?

It's not that simple. They've been trained to bark when they smell pot (or when the handler gives the "say this guy has pot so that we can legally beat him to within an inch of his life and steal all his worldly possessions without the slightest chance of repercussions" command). If pot is not illegal, the dogs' barks become worthless to the cops -- they might as well be barking because the guy has steak or a cat in his car.


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2013-03-20 03:39:13 PM
Can't they train the dogs to somehow indicate what drug they're detecting?
 
2013-03-20 03:40:08 PM

tricycleracer: tricycleracer: Put training pot dogs up for sale.

Wow, that was a clusterfark of words.


banana vegemite rectum
 
2013-03-20 03:41:17 PM

Russ1642: Can't they train the dogs to somehow indicate what drug they're detecting?


"Chew-ie"?
 
2013-03-20 03:41:59 PM

Russ1642: Can't they train the dogs to somehow indicate what drug they're detecting?


Heh that would be pretty funny.

Cocaine - dog starts scratching nose and thinking it's invincible
Crack - dog starts itching around the neck and begging other dogs for treats to feeds its habit
Speed - dog starts spinning really fast in circles
Bath-salts - dog leaps at its handler's face and just starts tearing it apart
 
2013-03-20 03:42:48 PM
I think a bigger concern is retraining the police. Oh wait! War on Terror, nevermind.
 
2013-03-20 03:43:11 PM
My dog barks whenever I get aroused.  Mostly because he's a light sleeper and always feels it go in.
 
2013-03-20 03:43:40 PM

beantowndog: Why would they forget how to bark on command?


I see my work here is done.
 
2013-03-20 03:44:21 PM
Your are all of you misunderestimating the number of training pot dogs that are employminated at police law stations.
 
2013-03-20 03:44:46 PM

scottydoesntknow: Russ1642: Can't they train the dogs to somehow indicate what drug they're detecting?

Heh that would be pretty funny.

Cocaine - dog starts scratching nose and thinking it's invincible
Crack - dog starts itching around the neck and begging other dogs for treats to feeds its habit
Speed - dog starts spinning really fast in circles
Bath-salts - dog leaps at its handler's face and just starts tearing it apart


Meth - Dog starts to lose teeth.
 
2013-03-20 03:45:09 PM
FTA: ...there are other causes for suspicion, such as the car leaving a known drug house or white powder on the driver's mustache.

First off, that seems awfully specific. Secondly, have these cops never eaten a donut?
 
2013-03-20 03:45:18 PM

King Something: they might as well be barking because the guy has steak or a cat in his car.


Cats should be illegal, they only lead to this:
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2013-03-20 03:45:34 PM

scottydoesntknow: Russ1642: Can't they train the dogs to somehow indicate what drug they're detecting?

Heh that would be pretty funny.

Cocaine - dog starts scratching nose and thinking it's invincible
Crack - dog starts itching around the neck and begging other dogs for treats to feeds its habit
Speed - dog starts spinning really fast in circles
Bath-salts - dog leaps at its handler's face and just starts tearing it apart


It's within the capabilities of a dog. Maybe hold up a card and have the dog put his paw on the right symbol. I don't know but I'm sure they've considered it. The only reason they don't do it now is it would limit searches. If a dog indicates for marijuana, and they find cocaine and no pot was it an illegal search?
 
2013-03-20 03:45:53 PM
Drug dogs are just an excuse to perform illegal searches anyways.
 
2013-03-20 03:46:51 PM
I think the dogs will be of some use to China, and some other Asian countries. Unlike Americans, they know how to find alternate uses for something that has outlived it's primary purpose.
 
2013-03-20 03:47:46 PM
So using the dog to find the "good" party is out of the question?
 
2013-03-20 03:48:09 PM
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2013-03-20 03:49:09 PM

AeAe: tricycleracer: tricycleracer: Put training pot dogs up for sale.

Wow, that was a clusterfark of words.

banana vegemite rectum


Pot dogs sounds like something a stoner came up with to make hotdogs with weed in them.
 
2013-03-20 03:50:41 PM

scottydoesntknow: King Something: beantowndog: Why would they forget how to bark on command?

It's not that simple. They've been trained to bark when they smell pot (or when the handler gives the "say this guy has pot so that we can legally beat him to within an inch of his life and steal all his worldly possessions without the slightest chance of repercussions" command). If pot is not illegal, the dogs' barks become worthless to the cops -- they might as well be barking because the guy has steak or a cat in his car.

No they don't, because of what you said before it. Instead of being pot, they'll claim it was coke, meth, heroin, [insert illegal narcotic here] that the dog picked up and still have probable cause to search. Your car could be completely brand-spanking new just driven off the lot and as long as the dog barks, they're justified in searching. The only difference now would be actually finding pot and not being able to do shiat about it besides harassing the person.

Wasn't there a supreme court ruling on drug-sniffing dogs recently? They basically said even if the dog has a fail rate of 90%, it's justified because they wouldn't have caught the actual bad 10% otherwise.


Because if the dogs aren't legally certified to not bark at pot, someone facing trial for 10kgs of coke could argue that the search was illegal (prompted by the smell of legal pot) and might actually win and walk free - which looks bad on the prosecution team.
 
2013-03-20 03:52:24 PM

tricycleracer: tricycleracer: Put training pot dogs up for sale.

Wow, that was a clusterfark of words.


I think he found his stash.
 
2013-03-20 03:53:16 PM

King Something: beantowndog: Why would they forget how to bark on command?

It's not that simple. They've been trained to bark when they smell pot (or when the handler gives the "say this guy has pot so that we can legally beat him to within an inch of his life and steal all his worldly possessions without the slightest chance of repercussions" command). If pot is not illegal, the dogs' barks become worthless to the cops -- they might as well be barking because the guy has steak or a cat in his car.


Over the head the joke has gone
 
2013-03-20 03:55:29 PM
I do not agree with allowing dogs to be used to gain probable cause. I think drug sniffing dogs should be allowed only when there is already grounds for a search. This would include border crossings, airports and instances where the police already have a search warrent. The dog can not testify in court and therfore should not be used as a vehicle to gain probable cause where it did not exist before.
 
2013-03-20 03:55:38 PM

nmemkha: beantowndog: Why would they forget how to bark on command?

Done it one.

King Something: beantowndog: Why would they forget how to bark on command?

It's not that simple. They've been trained to bark when they smell pot (or when the handler gives the "say this guy has pot so that we can legally beat him to within an inch of his life and steal all his worldly possessions without the slightest chance of repercussions" command). If pot is not illegal, the dogs' barks become worthless to the cops -- they might as well be barking because the guy has steak or a cat in his car.

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Um, no he got it, as indicated by: "say this guy has pot so that we can legally beat him to within an inch of his life and steal all his worldly possessions without the slightest chance of repercussions"
 
2013-03-20 03:55:53 PM

Rabbid_Squirrel: Because if the dogs aren't legally certified to not bark at pot, someone facing trial for 10kgs of coke could argue that the search was illegal (prompted by the smell of legal pot) and might actually win and walk free - which looks bad on the prosecution team.


Who's going to say that the dog was barking because of pot? It's your word against an animal that can't actually speak a language.

Here's how it works:

You get pulled over
Cop asks to search your vehicle
You say "No"
Cop says "Ok let me get the K-9 unit out here to make sure"
*30 minutes pass while you're technically being illegally detained*
Dog shows up
Handler signals for a bark
Dog barks (remember a dog can't say "I found pot!" all they can do is bark)
They tear apart your car from inside-to-out
If you're in Washington/Colorado, they find pot and let you go on your way saying "Ohh sorry, the dog must've gotten it wrong"
If you have something actually illegal, they'll say "Ohhh look what the dog smelled!"
You're now in handcuffs

A cop will never say the dog barked because it detected a specific substance, it just detected "something" in there and they now have the right to search for ANYTHING.
 
2013-03-20 03:56:28 PM

scottydoesntknow: King Something: beantowndog: Why would they forget how to bark on command?

It's not that simple. They've been trained to bark when they smell pot (or when the handler gives the "say this guy has pot so that we can legally beat him to within an inch of his life and steal all his worldly possessions without the slightest chance of repercussions" command). If pot is not illegal, the dogs' barks become worthless to the cops -- they might as well be barking because the guy has steak or a cat in his car.

No they don't, because of what you said before it. Instead of being pot, they'll claim it was coke, meth, heroin, [insert illegal narcotic here] that the dog picked up and still have probable cause to search. Your car could be completely brand-spanking new just driven off the lot and as long as the dog barks, they're justified in searching. The only difference now would be actually finding pot and not being able to do shiat about it besides harassing the person.

Wasn't there a supreme court ruling on drug-sniffing dogs recently? They basically said even if the dog has a fail rate of 90%, it's justified because they wouldn't have caught the actual bad 10% otherwise.


Better that 9 innocent men go to jail than one guilty man....WAIT, WHAT?
 
2013-03-20 03:57:01 PM

tricycleracer: 1.  Put training pot dogs up for sale.
2.  Sell to forgetful potheads who always loses their stash.
3.  Profit!


came here to say this but in a coherent way.
 
2013-03-20 03:57:09 PM
HAHA! Oh this is amusing since it is the strongest smelling of all the illegal drugs.
You never really needed a dog, but most people have no idea how to use their nose to distinguish smells so a dog is needed for this.

Police also lost a lot of money in asset stealing from this as well.  Yes, very funny.
 
2013-03-20 03:58:37 PM
Pot isn't legal, it's controlled. Pot dogs are still perfectly viable, because people can only have a very small amount before crossing into possession with intent territory.  Slow news day
 
2013-03-20 03:58:43 PM

tom baker's scarf: tricycleracer: 1.  Put training pot dogs up for sale.
2.  Sell to forgetful potheads who always loses their stash.
3.  Profit!

came here to say this but in a coherent way.


They could probably sell them to helicopter parents. There was a story on FARK last week I think about an agency that parents could hire to bring a drug dog inside their house. If the dog alerted to something, it was up to the parents to find it, but now they know you're hiding something.
 
2013-03-20 03:58:45 PM
I personally enjoyed the comment on the article claiming it was animal abuse to train them to sniff dangerous drugs.
 
2013-03-20 04:00:21 PM

echomike23: [25.media.tumblr.com image 440x327]


Came here for this...leaving satisfied.
 
2013-03-20 04:00:22 PM
Looks to me like an opportunity to reduce the number of cops. It's good for the budget.
 
2013-03-20 04:00:32 PM
Comment in TFA:  "Did Washington voters think about all the hard working drug sniffing dogs they might be putting out of work with the passage of this bill?"

 No, lady!  We were more concerned with arresting humans, housing them in jails, taxing for court costs, and ruining people's lives than canine employment prospects.
 
2013-03-20 04:00:37 PM

spentmiles: My dog barks whenever I get aroused.  Mostly because he's a light sleeper and always feels it go in.


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2013-03-20 04:03:17 PM
I swear this is an old Adam Carolla bit.
 
2013-03-20 04:03:22 PM

beantowndog: Why would they forget how to bark on command?


Done in one
 
2013-03-20 04:04:24 PM

Russ1642: Can't they train the dogs to somehow indicate what drug they're detecting?


Already been done, here are the signs for
www.fieldandstream.com
1) Uranium in your suitcase
2) slave in your stagecoach
3) imports trying to dodge tariffs
4) precursors in the Pepsi bottle in your pants
 
2013-03-20 04:04:36 PM

beantowndog: Why would they forget how to bark on command?


I see what you did there.

My heart bleeds for the machine.
 
2013-03-20 04:06:11 PM

scottydoesntknow: tom baker's scarf: tricycleracer: 1.  Put training pot dogs up for sale.
2.  Sell to forgetful potheads who always loses their stash.
3.  Profit!

came here to say this but in a coherent way.

They could probably sell them to helicopter parents. There was a story on FARK last week I think about an agency that parents could hire to bring a drug dog inside their house. If the dog alerted to something, it was up to the parents to find it, but now they know you're hiding something.


Oh I'm so going to start this business. I'll get the dog to alert at every house and the watch the chaos unfold.
 
2013-03-20 04:12:15 PM

FARK rebel soldier: Russ1642: Can't they train the dogs to somehow indicate what drug they're detecting?

Already been done, here are the signs for
[www.fieldandstream.com image 618x555]
1) Uranium in your suitcase
2) slave in your stagecoach
3) imports trying to dodge tariffs
4) precursors in the Pepsi bottle in your pants


that "chocolate lab" sure looks a lot like a weimaraner.
 
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