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(The Atlantic Wire)   In a rare moment of bi-partisan consensus, almost all Senators on both sides of the aisle in the US Senate have come to the same conclusion: freshman Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) is a huge dick   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 270
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2013-03-20 01:27:20 PM

Gosling: Graham told Politico, "[T]he one thing I will say to any new senator - you're going to be respected if you can throw a punch but you also have to prove you can do a deal." An anonymous Senate Republican said, "It's becoming a trend when you're a new arrival,... They don't get to know the Senate or the other senators; they just start talking. And that takes away from [Cruz's] ability to be an influential legislator."

I'd agree with this. It doesn't matter how much you ramrodded your way in... once you're there, you have coworkers to deal with. Because the rest of Congress are your coworkers now. When you're the FNG and you immediately start acting like you own the place, your coworkers will quickly act to make your life as miserable as possible. Just like any other workplace.


My suspicion is that Ted Cruz isn't interested at all in getting any legislation passed.  He's using the Senate as his platform to herp and derp for PAC money, in case he wants to run for President.

The same scam RAND PAUL is running, in other words.
 
2013-03-20 01:27:22 PM

randomjsa: IE, he destroyed the liberal position on guns with a single question and made Feinstein look like a fool, so now you hate him.

There is nothing that quite so much angers a liberal than the knowledge that they've been proven wrong.


you didn't read the article, did you?

His own party hates him.
 
2013-03-20 01:28:37 PM

randomjsa: IE, he destroyed the liberal position on guns with a single question and made Feinstein look like a fool, so now you hate him.

There is nothing that quite so much angers a liberal than the knowledge that they've been proven wrong.


Yeah, he made Feinstein look like a fool.  That's totally what happened.  And Romney really won the election!!

I think randombj is a closet liberal.  He sounds a lot like a fervently anti-gay preacher who snorts meth off a male prostitute's ass in a seedy motel when he thinks no one is watching.
 
2013-03-20 01:28:43 PM
"Behind closed doors, some Republican senators report that Cruz, in his stone-cold serious prosecutorial style, speaks at length when it's far more common for freshmen to wait before asserting themselves - particularly ones who were just sworn in,"

Fark your fake-ass civility and your Old Boys Club rules about who can speak and when. He's supposed to wait to talk? Wait until what, exactly? The fark is he supposed to do everyday? He was elected to represent his constituents by trying to influence legislation that will benefit them, not to sit in a room deffering to old clowns.
 
2013-03-20 01:29:33 PM

randomjsa: IE, he destroyed the liberal position on guns with a single question and made Feinstein look like a fool, so now you hate him.

There is nothing that quite so much angers a liberal than the knowledge that they've been proven wrong.


If you put half as much effort that you put into being wrong into something like, say, digging a hole, you'd be five miles down by now.
 
2013-03-20 01:29:50 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: "Behind closed doors, some Republican senators report that Cruz, in his stone-cold serious prosecutorial style, speaks at length when it's far more common for freshmen to wait before asserting themselves - particularly ones who were just sworn in,"

Fark your fake-ass civility and your Old Boys Club rules about who can speak and when. He's supposed to wait to talk? Wait until what, exactly? The fark is he supposed to do everyday? He was elected to represent his constituents by trying to influence legislation that will benefit them, not to sit in a room deffering to old clowns.


you wanna seat in the game you gotta learn to play by the rules.
 
2013-03-20 01:30:19 PM

Kuroboom: Does he look kinda like Chris-chan to anyone else or is it just me?


I observe no such resemblance.
 
2013-03-20 01:30:39 PM
Well, if it weren't for these gerrymandered-to-hell congressional districts, we wouldn't have nutjob congressmen like . . .

Oh wait, he's a senator?  Yeah, fark Texas then.
 
2013-03-20 01:31:21 PM
This is why we need a 2 term limit in the Senate.
 
2013-03-20 01:32:43 PM

randomjsa: IE, he destroyed the liberal position on guns with a single question and made Feinstein look like a fool, so now you hate him.

There is nothing that quite so much angers a liberal than the knowledge that they've been proven wrong.


If liberals hated everyone who disliked Feinstein's gun fetish, there'd be no liberals in the Democratic par-

Hmm. Food for thought...
 
2013-03-20 01:32:49 PM

m00: I honestly don't know enough about Cruz to like or dislike his policies, but I have to say this is a point in his favor. You're elected to represent your state and contribute to the common good of the United States... you're not elected to keep your mouth shut until you have seniority.

This sounds like a rule by the establishment, for the establishment.


You're not ELECTED to keep your mouth shut, but Congressional protocol pretty much insists upon exactly that, whether the constituents like it or not. You're supposed to spend the first term learning the ropes and getting to know people. If you don't, if you just barge in and try to take over everything because The People Demand It, it's just going to go in one ear and out the other. The people with seniority are the ones that decide your committee assignments, and they're going to hand them out according to who they know and who they like. You're in all likelihood not going to get to chair anything for at least your first decade. The people they don't like can easily find themselves wasting away in backwater committees with next to no real influence for their entire Congressional careers no matter how many terms they win (which appears to have happened to Tom Petri, R-WI, who was my guy until redistricting, and is quickly on its way to happening to Ron Johnson.)

And Cruz appears to be on the fast track to getting frozen out as well.
 
2013-03-20 01:33:44 PM
Yup, the GOP insiders decided to repeatedly tell voters over the years not to trust government, not respect authority, etc. etc. to try to get them to vote for GOP.  Then you get the tea party and you get this guy who actually believe what the GOP was selling so they think it is their duty to 'fight for liberty' by being dicks at hearings and disrespecting people with opposing viewpoints.  Now they're shocked that they are hard to deal with?
 
2013-03-20 01:34:31 PM
www.dvdjournal.com

Welcome to the senate asshole.
 
2013-03-20 01:35:49 PM

Mentat: "Jim Demint without the charm."

According to Robert's Rules of Order, that constitutes a burn.

Do I have a second?


That's not just burn, that's "Al Simmons being set on fire by Chapel and burning in Hell" Spawn burn.
 
2013-03-20 01:37:11 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Fark your fake-ass civility and your Old Boys Club rules about who can speak and when. He's supposed to wait to talk? Wait until what, exactly? The fark is he supposed to do everyday? He was elected to represent his constituents by trying to influence legislation that will benefit them, not to sit in a room deffering to old clowns.


Cruz is a quintessential Tea Partier in that he assumes his interpretation of the constitution and beliefs about how government should function invalidates everybody else's.

There's nothing heroic about what Cruz does. Just like during his Chuck Hagel filibuster, I predict we're going to see a lot of Ted Cruz slowing and jamming up the works of traditionally non controversial Senate functions to put on his best Joe McCarthy impression to impress the Tea Party with baseless accusations against his political enemies.
 
2013-03-20 01:37:30 PM

jigger: This is why we need a 2 term limit in the Senate.


It takes time to learn the rules and how to properly write legislation. This is another reason seniority is valued. The new guys tend to not know WTF they're writing and need more experienced members to help them out. Removing the experience means nobody is going to know how to write a bill anymore, which means they're pretty much all going to get written by large corporations, and that's going to be the direction Congress goes in perpetuity because none of them are going to know how to write a bill that makes it stop.
 
2013-03-20 01:38:48 PM
So he's the Republican Senate version of Alan Grayson?
 
2013-03-20 01:38:54 PM
Cruz says he wasn't impugning Hagel's character.

He outright accused Hagel of being on the payroll of North Korea and terrorists.

jake_lex: My suspicion is that Ted Cruz isn't interested at all in getting any legislation passed. He's using the Senate as his platform to herp and derp for PAC money, in case he wants to run for President.

The same scam RAND PAUL is running, in other words.


Has Rand Paul ever had a law he wrote passed into law?  Said the day after Cruz was elected, I doubt he'll get anything passed in his life time.
 
2013-03-20 01:39:18 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: "Behind closed doors, some Republican senators report that Cruz, in his stone-cold serious prosecutorial style, speaks at length when it's far more common for freshmen to wait before asserting themselves - particularly ones who were just sworn in,"

Fark your fake-ass civility and your Old Boys Club rules about who can speak and when. He's supposed to wait to talk? Wait until what, exactly? The fark is he supposed to do everyday? He was elected to represent his constituents by trying to influence legislation that will benefit them, not to sit in a room deffering to old clowns.


The best way to get what your constituency wants is to be a flaming butthole to those who can help you pass legislation? Good luck with that.
 
2013-03-20 01:40:48 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: He was elected to represent his constituents by trying to influence legislation that will benefit them, not to sit in a room deffering to old clowns.


The way he acts is counter to that goal.
 
2013-03-20 01:42:00 PM
Ted Cruz looks like he is star in a 1920s silent movie.
 
2013-03-20 01:42:07 PM
Does this have to do with him rustling old woman Feinstein's jimmies? Because if so, I support Cruz.
 
2013-03-20 01:42:31 PM

Weaver95: DROxINxTHExWIND: "Behind closed doors, some Republican senators report that Cruz, in his stone-cold serious prosecutorial style, speaks at length when it's far more common for freshmen to wait before asserting themselves - particularly ones who were just sworn in,"

Fark your fake-ass civility and your Old Boys Club rules about who can speak and when. He's supposed to wait to talk? Wait until what, exactly? The fark is he supposed to do everyday? He was elected to represent his constituents by trying to influence legislation that will benefit them, not to sit in a room deffering to old clowns.

you wanna seat in the game you gotta learn to play by the rules.


You mean the "unwritten" rule that he wasn't supposed to express his opinion? How are these rules doing at giving us a functioning Congress? Last I heard, no one is compromising with anyone else so how has this helped anything?
 
2013-03-20 01:45:22 PM

Frank N Stein: Does this have to do with him rustling old woman Feinstein's jimmies? Because if so, I support Cruz.


I suppose you think Cruz didn't look ridiculous in that exchange.
 
2013-03-20 01:45:29 PM

Fart_Machine: DROxINxTHExWIND: "Behind closed doors, some Republican senators report that Cruz, in his stone-cold serious prosecutorial style, speaks at length when it's far more common for freshmen to wait before asserting themselves - particularly ones who were just sworn in,"

Fark your fake-ass civility and your Old Boys Club rules about who can speak and when. He's supposed to wait to talk? Wait until what, exactly? The fark is he supposed to do everyday? He was elected to represent his constituents by trying to influence legislation that will benefit them, not to sit in a room deffering to old clowns.

The best way to get what your constituency wants is to be a flaming butthole to those who can help you pass legislation? Good luck with that.


I like how we're going to just accept that he's an asshole because John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and a chorus of other complete douchebags have said so. From the article, his biggest fault seems to be that he talks when thy think he should be shutting up.
 
2013-03-20 01:47:03 PM

Magorn: Mentat: "Jim Demint without the charm."

According to Robert's Rules of Order, that constitutes a burn.

Do I have a second?

I believe there is a motion to re-commit on the table vis-a-vis whether an "Oh SNAP" would be an appropriate determination at this point


Filibuster. Secret hold.
 
2013-03-20 01:47:07 PM

Fart_Machine: DROxINxTHExWIND: "Behind closed doors, some Republican senators report that Cruz, in his stone-cold serious prosecutorial style, speaks at length when it's far more common for freshmen to wait before asserting themselves - particularly ones who were just sworn in,"

Fark your fake-ass civility and your Old Boys Club rules about who can speak and when. He's supposed to wait to talk? Wait until what, exactly? The fark is he supposed to do everyday? He was elected to represent his constituents by trying to influence legislation that will benefit them, not to sit in a room deffering to old clowns.

The best way to get what your constituency wants is to be a flaming butthole to those who can help you pass legislation? Good luck with that.


I have a better idea!

Drox; if you ever get a job and get to attend a meeting, see how long you last by using this strategy of just yelling out whenever you feel like it.
 
2013-03-20 01:47:31 PM

Alphax: Frank N Stein: Does this have to do with him rustling old woman Feinstein's jimmies? Because if so, I support Cruz.

I suppose you think Cruz didn't look ridiculous in that exchange.


No, I don't think he did. Once he asked his question, all he had to do was sit back and let DiFi look like the dumb old coont she is. She seemed to oblige.
 
2013-03-20 01:48:08 PM
Big deal, like who gives a shiat about the Old Boy Network at the Senate?

As usual, any person of color that escapes the Democrat plantation gets treated like a serial killer by Democrats.
 
2013-03-20 01:49:00 PM
So assholes like mccain and graham don't like him? He just went up a notch.
 
2013-03-20 01:49:00 PM

Frank N Stein: Alphax: Frank N Stein: Does this have to do with him rustling old woman Feinstein's jimmies? Because if so, I support Cruz.

I suppose you think Cruz didn't look ridiculous in that exchange.

No, I don't think he did. Once he asked his question, all he had to do was sit back and let DiFi look like the dumb old coont she is. She seemed to oblige.


Right.  I thought you were that foolish.
 
2013-03-20 01:49:04 PM
No, I don't think he did. Once he asked his question, all he had to do was sit back and let DiFi look like the dumb old coont she is. She seemed to oblige.

She always does.
 
2013-03-20 01:49:26 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: You mean the "unwritten" rule that he wasn't supposed to express his opinion? How are these rules doing at giving us a functioning Congress? Last I heard, no one is compromising with anyone else so how has this helped anything?


It may be an unwritten rule, but the guys in the seats that matter most abide by it and can easily relegate anyone who violates it to the Subcommttee on Bowel Odor Comparisons.
 
2013-03-20 01:51:39 PM

Alphax: foolish


I bet you say things like "m'lady" and wear a fedora too.
 
m00
2013-03-20 01:52:07 PM

Gosling: You're not ELECTED to keep your mouth shut, but Congressional protocol pretty much insists upon exactly that, whether the constituents like it or not. You're supposed to spend the first term learning the ropes and getting to know people. If you don't, if you just barge in and try to take over everything because The People Demand It, it's just going to go in one ear and out the other. The people with seniority are the ones that decide your committee assignments, and they're going to hand them out according to who they know and who they like. You're in all likelihood not going to get to chair anything for at least your first decade. The people they don't like can easily find themselves wasting away in backwater committees with next to no real influence for their entire Congressional careers no matter how many terms they win (which appears to have happened to Tom Petri, R-WI, who was my guy until redistricting, and is quickly on its way to happening to Ron Johnson.)

And Cruz appears to be on the fast track to getting frozen out as well.


Yeah, Gosling I would agree with you  if Congress was effective or had high approval ratings. But you have to understand people are electing loud-mouth agitators because they want Congress to be shaken up. That's all. And I can't say I disagree with that sentiment. I am sick of "business as usual." Ted Cruz may be a jerk, but I don't think he's a "business as usual" slimebag. But again, I haven't really researched him so maybe I'm wrong.
 
2013-03-20 01:52:20 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: I like how we're going to just accept that he's an asshole because John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and a chorus of other complete douchebags have said so. From the article, his biggest fault seems to be that he talks when thy think he should be shutting up.


Well, no, his biggest fault is that he's a Republican.

For all his other faults, see the little performance pieces he likes to put on in committee hearings.
 
2013-03-20 01:52:29 PM

Frank N Stein: Alphax: foolish

I bet you say things like "m'lady" and wear a fedora too.


Half right.. I own no hats.
 
2013-03-20 01:54:08 PM

Gosling: DROxINxTHExWIND: You mean the "unwritten" rule that he wasn't supposed to express his opinion? How are these rules doing at giving us a functioning Congress? Last I heard, no one is compromising with anyone else so how has this helped anything?

It may be an unwritten rule, but the guys in the seats that matter most abide by it and can easily relegate anyone who violates it to the Subcommttee on Bowel Odor Comparisons.


This. No matter what side you are on there is a pecking order in Congress, especially the Senate. Piss off enough people and you'll be relegated to the committee who's meetings even cspan-3 doesn't cover.
 
2013-03-20 01:54:28 PM

Gosling: jigger: This is why we need a 2 term limit in the Senate.

It takes time to learn the rules and how to properly write legislation. This is another reason seniority is valued. The new guys tend to not know WTF they're writing and need more experienced members to help them out. Removing the experience means nobody is going to know how to write a bill anymore, which means they're pretty much all going to get written by large corporations, and that's going to be the direction Congress goes in perpetuity because none of them are going to know how to write a bill that makes it stop.


Wait, you think that corporations aren't writing the bills right now? I mean, who the hell wrote the Obamacare bill?

And why do you think that freshmen senators wouldn't know what they're doing? Maybe a few, but most of them are lawyers of some sort. Anyway, I'm sticking by my 2 term limit. I'd compromise on 3 terms.
 
2013-03-20 01:54:58 PM
Hmm... Cruz sounds foreign. I live in his district and I have yet to see his long form.
 
2013-03-20 01:55:25 PM
Apparently it's a massive act, he's doing WWE style heel/face politics because that's what his idiot base is in to.

Everything I've read from people in his past is summed up by "I don't WTF he's doing, he's never been like that."
 
2013-03-20 01:55:27 PM

DamnYankees: I don't give a shiat. Being 'nice' hasn't made the Senate any less broken.


I would argue that the growing preponderance of assholes in the Senate has contributed to it being broken. All of the criticisms of ye olde Senate being a club of old men of both parties drinking and smoking in back rooms were entirely justified, but the benefit of that system was that it smoothed relations between Senators so that their public actions were less contentious. You can argue whether or not that was worth it. Older Senators generally built careers as politicians on their ability to be personable and get a deal done. Now new Senators just ride the money train of some outside group (especially conservative Republicans), and have no interest in working with others, because they're the enemy.

When personal connections break down in a structured environment filled with people with competing goals what you get is perpetual war, which is what we've seen recently.
 
2013-03-20 01:56:06 PM

m00: Yeah, Gosling I would agree with you if Congress was effective or had high approval ratings. But you have to understand people are electing loud-mouth agitators because they want Congress to be shaken up. That's all. And I can't say I disagree with that sentiment. I am sick of "business as usual." Ted Cruz may be a jerk, but I don't think he's a "business as usual" slimebag. But again, I haven't really researched him so maybe I'm wrong.


In moderation, nothing wrong with that. But too many people sent shaker-uppers. If 535 people are all there to shake things up, you no longer have a deliberative body. You have an episode of Real Housewives of Capitol Hill.
 
2013-03-20 01:57:37 PM
A Tea Bagger doesn't understand how government/society/common decency works......shocking.
 
2013-03-20 01:58:05 PM

randomjsa: IE, he destroyed the liberal position on guns with a single question and made Feinstein look like a fool, so now you hate him.

There is nothing that quite so much angers a liberal than the knowledge that they've been proven wrong.


When you want to know what a liberal thinks, always ask a conservative dickbag. They know more about me than I do!

/betcha 100 bucks that I can out-shoot you at the range with either hand.
 
2013-03-20 01:58:40 PM
So the Senate is like Fark? New people should lurk for a year or two and then slowly start making themselves known?  So basically Cruz is a threadshiatter/troll.
 
2013-03-20 01:58:58 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Fart_Machine: DROxINxTHExWIND: "Behind closed doors, some Republican senators report that Cruz, in his stone-cold serious prosecutorial style, speaks at length when it's far more common for freshmen to wait before asserting themselves - particularly ones who were just sworn in,"

Fark your fake-ass civility and your Old Boys Club rules about who can speak and when. He's supposed to wait to talk? Wait until what, exactly? The fark is he supposed to do everyday? He was elected to represent his constituents by trying to influence legislation that will benefit them, not to sit in a room deffering to old clowns.

The best way to get what your constituency wants is to be a flaming butthole to those who can help you pass legislation? Good luck with that.

I have a better idea!

Drox; if you ever get a job and get to attend a meeting, see how long you last by using this strategy of just yelling out whenever you feel like it.



*Sigh*

Such intelletually dishonest debate. Speaking out of turn is not neccessarily having an outburst. No where in the article does it say anything about him yelling. Hopefully, I'll be able to take your job when your boss finds out that you can't read.
 
2013-03-20 01:59:08 PM

m00: Yeah, Gosling I would agree with you if Congress was effective or had high approval ratings. But you have to understand people are electing loud-mouth agitators because they want Congress to be shaken up. That's all. And I can't say I disagree with that sentiment. I am sick of "business as usual." Ted Cruz may be a jerk, but I don't think he's a "business as usual" slimebag. But again, I haven't really researched him so maybe I'm wrong.


Oh jesus christ.  Spare me this mindless drivel about "business as usual" and "shaking things up."  People who vote out of such sentiments have no idea what they're talking about and are just resorting to subversive-sounding catch phrases to make it sound like they've got some substantive beef with the way Congress works.

The last time people voted on a "shaking things up" platform, you know what we got?  The Teabagger House.  And not a damn bit of business, usual or otherwise, has been gotten done since.
 
2013-03-20 01:59:26 PM

barneyfifesbullet: Big deal, like who gives a shiat about the Old Boy Network at the Senate?

As usual, any person of color that escapes the Democrat plantation gets treated like a serial killer by Democrats.


You do know that "Hispanic" is an ethnicity and not a race, right?

Look at the census:

www.pewhispanic.org
 
2013-03-20 02:01:14 PM
Cruz 2016vox populi
 
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