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(The Consumerist)   Will EA remain reigning champ with its botched release of SimCity? Will Bank of America finally be able to seize the trophy? Will people remember that Carnival literally crapped on its customers? It's your annual Worst Company in America contest   (consumerist.com) divider line 189
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2013-03-20 11:24:53 AM
My picks by region:
Walmart
Comcast
EA/Verizon... I could see either "winning" that region, depends on if the angry gamers come out in force to put EA ahead
Paypal/Ticketmaster winner I think wins that region... I think Ticketmaster has slightly more people who hate them, so, will take them

Overall, I think Walmart will conquer all.
 
2013-03-20 11:28:15 AM
Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...
 
2013-03-20 11:41:02 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-20 12:01:49 PM
Meanwhile, the worst of the worst are nowhere near this list.
 
2013-03-20 12:17:40 PM
A lot of companies dropped the ball hard this year. Some of 'em even dropped it, set it on fire, peed it out, and then kicked it into a storm drain.

It'll be interesting to see who winds up with the Golden Dook. All of these punks and more richly deserve it.
 
2013-03-20 12:34:37 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Meanwhile, the worst of the worst are nowhere near this list.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-20 12:36:24 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Meanwhile, the worst of the worst are nowhere near this list.


It's The Consumerist.  Even when they talk about things that suck, their own suck overrides everything else.
 
2013-03-20 12:47:28 PM
Well they didn't literally crap on their customers. The customers on the upper decks crapped on the customers on the lower decks.
 
2013-03-20 12:51:15 PM
No more consumerist links.
 
2013-03-20 12:51:49 PM

Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...


I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?
 
2013-03-20 12:51:54 PM

Walker: Well they didn't literally crap on their customers. The customers on the upper decks crapped on the customers on the lower decks.


As it should be.
 
2013-03-20 12:52:34 PM
Though not a company, I think the suck trophy should go to the United States Congress.
 
2013-03-20 12:53:19 PM

Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...


Judging from what I've read most of the systems that make people move about the city are completely broken. If that's true then surely you must have noticed something?

The only reason I haven't bought it is because it seems the simulation aspect is non-existant. I can live with DRM, as much as it irks me, but I can't live with a city building game that doesn't simulate aspects of standard, basic, city life. So I would be interested to know if anyone else has had no problems with it, and in fact thought it very well simulated.
 
2013-03-20 12:54:58 PM
Best Buy probably can't beat Walmart but let's keep in mind that Best Buy spent the first half of this year crying to Congress that they can't compete with their outdated business model and won't Congress please pass some laws to help out.
 
2013-03-20 12:56:09 PM
Directv beat dish? shiat, there goes my bracket ='(
 
2013-03-20 12:56:10 PM
For the record my vote goes to: The U.S. Government.
 
2013-03-20 12:57:05 PM
I read the headline with this in mind.....

tvseriesfinale.com
 
2013-03-20 12:57:35 PM

rikkitikkitavi: Though not a company, I think the suck trophy should go to the United States Congress.


Shakes tiny fist!!
 
2013-03-20 12:57:39 PM
I predict a battle to the death between Wal-Mart and BofA.
 
2013-03-20 12:59:05 PM

rikkitikkitavi: Though not a company, I think the suck trophy should go to the United States Congress.


oh god this.
 
2013-03-20 12:59:06 PM
my picks.
anyone sponsoring hate.
ie. Rush Limbaugh show
Chic fil A
 
2013-03-20 12:59:35 PM

dletter: My picks by region:
Walmart
Comcast
EA/Verizon... I could see either "winning" that region, depends on if the angry gamers come out in force to put EA ahead
Paypal/Ticketmaster winner I think wins that region... I think Ticketmaster has slightly more people who hate them, so, will take them

Overall, I think Walmart will conquer all.


I never understood the hate for paypal. They aren't a bank, they don't have deposit insurance, but in general they've always tried to do the right thing. But when person X screws over person Y using paypal, paypal can't just throw money away and make it all better. All the accounts of paypal "locking funds" are temporary, and only last until paypal is sure that credit charges can't be reversed, leading paypal holding the bad.
 
2013-03-20 01:00:23 PM
Whoever thought of this contest had a good idea. It needs refining but it's solid.
 
2013-03-20 01:00:35 PM
As someone who gets a lot of services through FedEx and UPS I gotta say neither belongs on the board. They're both six sigma grade companies and rarely present problems.

Ontrac and Lasership tend to be the ones that worry me. But it's not my choice which one carries my product, it's always about time and money as calculated by the elves.
 
2013-03-20 01:01:11 PM

Do the needful: Walker: Well they didn't literally crap on their customers. The customers on the upper decks crapped on the customers on the lower decks.

As it should be.


media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-20 01:01:17 PM
I wonder why Amazon isn't on that list. I've read they treat their warehouse workers like dirt.
/i guess i don't know if it is technically a company.
 
2013-03-20 01:01:18 PM

dletter: Paypal/Ticketmaster winner I think wins that region... I think Ticketmaster has slightly more people who hate them, so, will take them



I have to go with Ticketmaster. See, nobody likes PayPal, but everybody hates Ticketmaster.
 
2013-03-20 01:01:24 PM

Voiceofreason01: Best Buy probably can't beat Walmart but let's keep in mind that Best Buy spent the first half of this year crying to Congress that they can't compete with their outdated business model and won't Congress please pass some laws to help out.


that's every corporate lobbyist's job isn't it?
 
2013-03-20 01:01:32 PM

Walker: Well they didn't literally crap on their customers. The customers on the upper decks crapped on the customers on the lower decks.


Except in Italy, where it was the customers on the lower decks crapping upon the customers on the upper decks (while the captain pulled a Sir Robin)
 
2013-03-20 01:03:05 PM

wildcardjack: As someone who gets a lot of services through FedEx and UPS I gotta say neither belongs on the board. They're both six sigma grade companies and rarely present problems.

Ontrac and Lasership tend to be the ones that worry me. But it's not my choice which one carries my product, it's always about time and money as calculated by the elves.


We now know Santa's Fark handle!

Didn't know you were outsourcing your deliveries, Santa, but I guess it's more efficient than the reindeer thing.

Also, I wanna bicycle.
 
2013-03-20 01:03:11 PM
Having been personally affected by Bank of America and Comcast with bogus invoices, I'm hoping one of them "wins"
My only regret is that the "winners" will continue to be jerks and still make money.
 
2013-03-20 01:03:13 PM

Voiceofreason01: rikkitikkitavi: Though not a company, I think the suck trophy should go to the United States Congress.

oh god this.


SCOTUS!
Kelo v. New London.
 
2013-03-20 01:04:32 PM

Hobodeluxe: my picks.
anyone sponsoring hate.
ie. Rush Limbaugh show
Chic fil A


Chic-Fil-A never told me the gays were bad nor did they ever discriminate against anyone based on sexual preference.

But continue your boycott you've given them record profits.
 
2013-03-20 01:05:55 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Voiceofreason01: rikkitikkitavi: Though not a company, I think the suck trophy should go to the United States Congress.

oh god this.

SCOTUS!
Kelo v. New London.


also
Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
 
2013-03-20 01:06:48 PM

LeroyBourne: I wonder why Amazon isn't on that list. I've read they treat their warehouse workers like dirt.


They're pretty awesome from the customers' point of view.

/all right, Jack
 
2013-03-20 01:07:30 PM
Meh. Oligopolies everywhere... the whole thing stinks.
 
2013-03-20 01:07:33 PM
Considering the damage to the US for last 30 years, I nominate Walmart to hold the title indefinitely.
 
2013-03-20 01:07:44 PM
Having recently progressed to owning my own house and having to deal directly with cable companies for the first time, I nominate Time Warner as the leading assholes.
 
2013-03-20 01:07:53 PM

You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Chic-Fil-A never told me the gays were bad nor did they ever discriminate against anyone based on sexual preference.

But continue your boycott you've given them record profits.


ORLY
http://www.southernstudies.org/2012/08/chick-fil-as-history-of-workp la ce-discrimination.html
 
2013-03-20 01:08:30 PM

You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Hobodeluxe: my picks.
anyone sponsoring hate.
ie. Rush Limbaugh show
Chic fil A

Chic-Fil-A never told me the gays were bad nor did they ever discriminate against anyone based on sexual preference.

But continue your boycott you've given them record profits.


no they just contribute to the cause to keep them classified as second class citizens.
and yes there is profit in hate sad to say. but they're not getting my money.
 
2013-03-20 01:08:36 PM

Walker: Well they didn't literally crap on their customers. The customers on the upper decks crapped on the customers on the lower decks.


The word literally, what does it mean?!
 
2013-03-20 01:08:52 PM
I saw Sallie Mae was mentioned in the article.  I owe them quite a bit in student loans from my wife's education.  Does anyone know if there is a means of getting a reduced payoff if cash is offered in a lump sum (similar to the process one can go through with medical bills)?
 
2013-03-20 01:08:53 PM
The worst cable operator will be the one with the most customers.  The worst retail operation will be the one with the largest revenues.  These are where consumers who consider themselves powerless to resist goods and services come to vent about it.
 
2013-03-20 01:08:58 PM

You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Chic-Fil-A never told me the gays were bad nor did they ever discriminate against anyone based on sexual preference.


Sure about that, are you?
 
2013-03-20 01:08:59 PM
My short list


Halliburton
Monsanto
Cytec Industries
Smithfield Foods
BASF
 
2013-03-20 01:09:18 PM
Walmart is a great company, I go in, get the shiat I need cheaply, and then go home and use it.
 
2013-03-20 01:09:52 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Considering the damage to the US for last 30 years, I nominate Walmart to hold the title indefinitely.


Walmart is just a symptom of bad trade policies.
 
2013-03-20 01:10:55 PM

macadamnut: LeroyBourne: I wonder why Amazon isn't on that list. I've read they treat their warehouse workers like dirt.

They're pretty awesome from the customers' point of view.

/all right, Jack


media.tumblr.com
Only because it's already been used in thread.
/indeed
 
2013-03-20 01:11:04 PM

You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Hobodeluxe: my picks.
anyone sponsoring hate.
ie. Rush Limbaugh show
Chic fil A

Chic-Fil-A never told me the gays were bad nor did they ever discriminate against anyone based on sexual preference.

But continue your boycott you've given them record profits.


Area man mounts valiant defense of fast food restaurant.
 
2013-03-20 01:11:08 PM

wildcardjack: As someone who gets a lot of services through FedEx and UPS I gotta say neither belongs on the board. They're both six sigma grade companies and rarely present problems.

Ontrac and Lasership tend to be the ones that worry me. But it's not my choice which one carries my product, it's always about time and money as calculated by the elves.


Farking Ontrac. They tell Amazon they've delivered a package then their driver drops it off at 5 a.m the next morning.

If you lived in my neighborhood, you'd understand about thinking your package is outside, just waiting to be stolen.
 
2013-03-20 01:12:38 PM

Walker: Well they didn't literally crap on their customers. The customers on the upper decks crapped on the customers on the lower decks.


so like trickle down?
 
2013-03-20 01:14:05 PM
I have a few friends who work for InBev here in Phoenix, they don't complain...what makes them the "worst ever"? Just because of crappy beer?
And are companies like Google and UPS on this list as "longshots"? Or am I missing something from them?
 
2013-03-20 01:14:42 PM
While EA is basically the poster child for everything wrong with the games industry, there are far worse out there.

/Bobby Kotick feels pretty good right now, I imagine
 
2013-03-20 01:14:46 PM
My local hospital also deserves a dishonorable mention.
They've bought out roughly 75% of the practices within 20 miles and relocated all the offices to their building; nearly every doc in the county is now employed by this one hospital.   If your doc was one of the ones involved in this you have to pay the hospital a $1200 a year charge to keep seeing him, otherwise you'll get assigned randomly to whoever they feel like.
 
2013-03-20 01:15:33 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Meanwhile, the worst of the worst are nowhere near this list.


Where's Halliburton?  Monsanto?  There's a ton of companies that do truly evil and horrific things.  The companies on the Consumerist list are merely irritating.
 
2013-03-20 01:15:48 PM

Wade_Wilson: wildcardjack: As someone who gets a lot of services through FedEx and UPS I gotta say neither belongs on the board. They're both six sigma grade companies and rarely present problems.

Ontrac and Lasership tend to be the ones that worry me. But it's not my choice which one carries my product, it's always about time and money as calculated by the elves.

We now know Santa's Fark handle!

Didn't know you were outsourcing your deliveries, Santa, but I guess it's more efficient than the reindeer thing.

Also, I wanna bicycle.


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net


We might share the same outsourcing strategy and have big bellies and long beards, but mine's reddish brown, not white.
 
2013-03-20 01:15:51 PM

Hobodeluxe: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Considering the damage to the US for last 30 years, I nominate Walmart to hold the title indefinitely.

Walmart is just a symptom of bad trade policies.


A symptom which makes it the largest company on the planet, a company that puts continuous downward pressure on all costs (including labor) and helps redefine a lower standard for the entire American retail industry, a company that has three owners on the Forbes top 10 list and openly provides forms for employees to apply for public assistance. Walmart is symptom of trickle down snake oil peddlers, but it's grown from an effect to a cancer.

As long as Walmart is as powerful as it is, labor's power will NEVER improve more than fractional increments.
 
2013-03-20 01:16:15 PM
AIG? AIG has almost single-handedly ruined our country and continues to make attempts to do the same.
 
2013-03-20 01:16:21 PM
StoPPeRmobile:
SCOTUS!
Kelo v. New London.


I'll reserve judgement on that one until we see what happens with Hollingsworth v Perry
 
2013-03-20 01:18:05 PM

gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?


From what I've heard: the city sizes are smaller, you (and EA's servers) have to be in constant contact, it's forced multiplayer, and because of the multiplayer aspect you can't save and reload.

That last bit is what would really irk me.  They've taken away the opportunity to say "GOD DAMN IT" and wipe out your city in a hailstorm of godzilla, meltdowns, and hurricanes - then reload the last save tomorrow.
 
2013-03-20 01:18:10 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: If you lived in my neighborhood, you'd understand about thinking your package is outside, just waiting to be stolen.


If it ever does go missing you should go down Second Avenue towards St. Mark's Place where all those people sell used books and other junk on the street.

/It will be on a blanket next to a broken toaster oven.
 
2013-03-20 01:19:27 PM
Every experience I've had with Walmart in the last few years has been horrendous.

Avoid it as much as I can now.

Don't know how they stay in business. Target manages to not screw things up... they're often cheaper than Walmart... their stores are better maintained and they don't make you wait forever at a single register with 30 others closed.

No reason to shop at Walmart usually.

I like PayPal. Ups and fedex are good.

Wanted to buy simcity but declined due to always online. Never bit-torrented a game in my life... possible Simcity will be first if someone hacks the online aspect out .
 
2013-03-20 01:20:05 PM

gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?


It lacks the features and fun of SimCity predecessors... it's basically a facebook game, only without the facebook. I'm sure it's right for someone, but the lack of bulldozers to raise/lower terrain, the lack of subways and options like that, the dumbed-down AI, and the staggeringly small city maps that limit you to building East Davenport, IA (you can build it several times in the same region) are just too many factors to overcome. The initial server outages, and day 1 dlc, combined with EAs history of shuttering servers as soon as they release a follow up game, that's just icing on the cake.

The game is probably right for someone, but calling it SimCity is a gross misnomer.
 
2013-03-20 01:21:31 PM
I have a hard time giving grief to companies like WalMart, various banks, various internet providers, and various airlines, because they are giving the consumer exactly what they want: Cheapness.

Want decent service and products? STOP SHOPPING BY PRICE ALONE.

Got it?
 
2013-03-20 01:24:36 PM

Kyosuke: I have a hard time giving grief to companies like WalMart, various banks, various internet providers, and various airlines, because they are giving the consumer exactly what they want: Cheapness.

Want decent service and products? STOP SHOPPING BY PRICE ALONE.

Got it?


Indeed.  WalMart exists because we demand it.  It is the result of market forces, and nothing other than market forces.
 
2013-03-20 01:25:07 PM

Karac: You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Chic-Fil-A never told me the gays were bad nor did they ever discriminate against anyone based on sexual preference.

Sure about that, are you?


Its a franchise your going to have some issues.

Google "Workplace Discrimination" for McDonalds, Apple, Google all gay friendly companies. OMG they have suits too!!!
 
2013-03-20 01:25:30 PM

CleanAndPure: Every experience I've had with Walmart in the last few years has been horrendous.

Avoid it as much as I can now.

Don't know how they stay in business. Target manages to not screw things up... they're often cheaper than Walmart... their stores are better maintained and they don't make you wait forever at a single register with 30 others closed.

No reason to shop at Walmart usually.

I like PayPal. Ups and fedex are good.

Wanted to buy simcity but declined due to always online. Never bit-torrented a game in my life... possible Simcity will be first if someone hacks the online aspect out .


it isn't worth pirating.

/ultimate drm
 
2013-03-20 01:30:00 PM

Walker: Do the needful: Walker: Well they didn't literally crap on their customers. The customers on the upper decks crapped on the customers on the lower decks.

As it should be.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x500]


i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-20 01:32:22 PM
AB will beat EA.
AB is horrible in the world of beer. They even changed Bud and a few other brands in the name of profit; in order to make up for a drop in sales. They could be good for smaller places, buying up a few good brews, not changing them and increasing distribution. But they are farking everything up and will keep doing so as they make a ton of cash.
Still I have to say BOA should win as far as actual impact on the country in a negative way. I mean I can still get/make good beer regardless of what AB does. AIG should be on there.
 
2013-03-20 01:33:34 PM

MindStalker: I never understood the hate for paypal. They aren't a bank, they don't have deposit insurance, but in general they've always tried to do the right thing. But when person X screws over person Y using paypal, paypal can't just throw money away and make it all better. All the accounts of paypal "locking funds" are temporary, and only last until paypal is sure that credit charges can't be reversed, leading paypal holding the bad.


1. Paypal had a nasty habit of using "six degrees of Kevin Bacon" when responding to bad charges. So if someone bought a widget off you for $1.00, and THEY sold something on ebay for $20, and the person who bought THAT stole a credit card to make that bid; payPal would lock all three of your accounts and pilfer all of the money inside of all of them to make themselves whole from the third theft. So if you had $600.00 in your account, the whole $600 would be gone because you legitimately sold a $1 widget.

2. Not to mention if an account ever had more than 5k in it, they would lock the account for at least two years, possibly forever, as 'obviously money laundering', and keep the money for themselves. They borked pennyArcade and somethingAwful.com's Hurricane releif, and Minecraft's Notch this way to the tune of over 20k a pop, merely for the crime of having "too much money" in the account. (They did finally let Notch go, although this may have more to do with the Nordic banking laws than any activity on payPal's part)

This led to a lot of really bad feeling when someone would be collecting money from multiple people kickstarter-style for a central purpose (charity, a major project, a group/class trip) and paypal would steal the money inside the account under cause 1 or cause 2, leaving the account-holder holding the bag for dozens, if not hundreds of screaming clients, demanding product and/or their money back and being unable to provide either, because payPal had all the money. And payPal was not a bank and needs to provide absolutely nothing under its mandatory arbitration agreement, so legally they never have to give you your money back at all, yet you may still be liable to the buyers for providing a refund of the money stolen by payPal out of your own pocket. I've seen dozens of such cases.

PayPal ranks, in my book, right next to Nigerian spammers on the trustworthiness scale, one step *under* BoA.
 
2013-03-20 01:35:02 PM

Kyosuke: various internet providers


Must be nice to live in a place with choice.
 
2013-03-20 01:36:55 PM

Karac: My local hospital also deserves a dishonorable mention.
They've bought out roughly 75% of the practices within 20 miles and relocated all the offices to their building; nearly every doc in the county is now employed by this one hospital.   If your doc was one of the ones involved in this you have to pay the hospital a $1200 a year charge to keep seeing him, otherwise you'll get assigned randomly to whoever they feel like.


Stage II Grade 3c ovarian cancer patient has her treatment center bought out by another center. They now won't pull blood through a port. Unfortunately, she has to go to another lab which means her CA-125 results can differ by a hundred points or so due to different equipment.

Yeah, best health care in the world...absolutely.
 
2013-03-20 01:37:57 PM

rikkitikkitavi: Though not a company, I think the suck trophy should go to the United States Congress.


Came here to post this.
 
2013-03-20 01:39:29 PM
The "Worst Company" in America is the one the generated the smallest amount or profit or largest loss for its owners.
 
2013-03-20 01:40:16 PM
Bank Of America.  Simply awful.
 
2013-03-20 01:45:02 PM
So United gets a bye in the first round.

Can we nominate The Consumerist for inclusion. We have a poll on worst companies that's only open for 3 hours a day but we're not going to tell you anywhere in the article about it what 3 hours those are. A simple "Polls will be open from 9am-noon Eastern time" (or whatever they're open) would go a long way
 
2013-03-20 01:45:18 PM

firefly212: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

It lacks the features and fun of SimCity predecessors... it's basically a facebook game, only without the facebook. I'm sure it's right for someone, but the lack of bulldozers to raise/lower terrain, the lack of subways and options like that, the dumbed-down AI, and the staggeringly small city maps that limit you to building East Davenport, IA (you can build it several times in the same region) are just too many factors to overcome. The initial server outages, and day 1 dlc, combined with EAs history of shuttering servers as soon as they release a follow up game, that's just icing on the cake.

The game is probably right for someone, but calling it SimCity is a gross misnomer.


That's my feeling as well. The lack of subways especially hurts because the maps are so small and traffic congestion can become a major game breaker. No power lines, no pipes, no ordinances, no prisons or military bases there are no real decisions at all for you to make except where to drop zones and roads. once the novelty wears off of the beatiful graphics and fun music it is an incredibly hollow Simcity experience.
 
2013-03-20 01:49:55 PM

fireclown: Bank Of America.  Simply awful.


I don't know ... Wells Fargo could probably give them a run for their money.
My previous bank, Wachovia, was bought out by WF.  I got at least one new charge or fee on my account every month for the next sixth months.
$20 overdraft protection fee - I haven't used it in the 15 years I had the account.  Not once, even in high school.
$25 student account fee - because apparently they thought I was in the 30th grade of high school.
$10 fee for sending me new checks I never requested that now say WF on them.
$30 low balance / low use fee which they automatically charged everyone on the 1st of the month, but would refund at the end of the month if it didn't apply.

Sure, I got them to refund or rescind every one of those fees, but enough was well and farking enough.  The manager couldn't quite understand why I wanted to close my account the last time I went in.  She also seemed personally offended I wouldn't take a check and demanded cash money.  My other account, and only now, is with Navy Fed.  The nearest branch may be 200 miles away, but they've never tried to screw me over.
 
2013-03-20 01:53:21 PM

Karac: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

From what I've heard: the city sizes are smaller, you (and EA's servers) have to be in constant contact, it's forced multiplayer, and because of the multiplayer aspect you can't save and reload.

That last bit is what would really irk me.  They've taken away the opportunity to say "GOD DAMN IT" and wipe out your city in a hailstorm of godzilla, meltdowns, and hurricanes - then reload the last save tomorrow.


Forced multiplayer? That's all I need to know. Thanks.
 
2013-03-20 01:54:01 PM

Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...


It has a lot of issues. They probably did rush the release and didn't do good beta testing / QA.

Some of the issues I've seen have been connectivity issues. You get disconnected and then when you try to log back in you're told it's too busy and try again in 18 minutes (with a convenient count down timer). I don't know about you, but 18 minutes from now I might be doing something else like walking to dog or cooking dinner.

At least they gave away a free game as compensation for nerds not being able to connect to a server. ;)
 
2013-03-20 01:54:48 PM

gunga galunga: Karac: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

From what I've heard: the city sizes are smaller, you (and EA's servers) have to be in constant contact, it's forced multiplayer, and because of the multiplayer aspect you can't save and reload.

That last bit is what would really irk me.  They've taken away the opportunity to say "GOD DAMN IT" and wipe out your city in a hailstorm of godzilla, meltdowns, and hurricanes - then reload the last save tomorrow.

Forced multiplayer? That's all I need to know. Thanks.


Set up a private area and don't invite anyone. You're all alone.
 
2013-03-20 01:55:29 PM

Sim Tree: MindStalker: I never understood the hate for paypal. They aren't a bank, they don't have deposit insurance, but in general they've always tried to do the right thing. But when person X screws over person Y using paypal, paypal can't just throw money away and make it all better. All the accounts of paypal "locking funds" are temporary, and only last until paypal is sure that credit charges can't be reversed, leading paypal holding the bad.

1. Paypal had a nasty habit of using "six degrees of Kevin Bacon" when responding to bad charges. So if someone bought a widget off you for $1.00, and THEY sold something on ebay for $20, and the person who bought THAT stole a credit card to make that bid; payPal would lock all three of your accounts and pilfer all of the money inside of all of them to make themselves whole from the third theft. So if you had $600.00 in your account, the whole $600 would be gone because you legitimately sold a $1 widget.

2. Not to mention if an account ever had more than 5k in it, they would lock the account for at least two years, possibly forever, as 'obviously money laundering', and keep the money for themselves. They borked pennyArcade and somethingAwful.com's Hurricane releif, and Minecraft's Notch this way to the tune of over 20k a pop, merely for the crime of having "too much money" in the account. (They did finally let Notch go, although this may have more to do with the Nordic banking laws than any activity on payPal's part)

This led to a lot of really bad feeling when someone would be collecting money from multiple people kickstarter-style for a central purpose (charity, a major project, a group/class trip) and paypal would steal the money inside the account under cause 1 or cause 2, leaving the account-holder holding the bag for dozens, if not hundreds of screaming clients, demanding product and/or their money back and being unable to provide either, because payPal had all the money. And payPal was not a bank and needs to provide abso ...


Umm, yea, all false, I'm not sure about the validity of your first claim, please provide some proof. As your second claim, the worst its done is freeze assets, its always eventually unfroze them or reversed the charges. I've received tens of thousands spread out over a few years through paypal legitimately from payments for web programming and never had an ounce of issues with them. I've looked into several of these past claims of "paypal stole my money" and its always been that no, paypal just froze your money and eventually gave it back, or paypal gave your money to a scammer because the scammer reversed charges, and yes, that is a problem, but it wasn't paypal doing the stealing.
 
2013-03-20 01:55:55 PM

zulius: I have a few friends who work for InBev here in Phoenix, they don't complain...what makes them the "worst ever"? Just because of crappy beer?
And are companies like Google and UPS on this list as "longshots"? Or am I missing something from them?


InBev is actually evil

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-25/the-plot-to-destroy- am ericas-beer
 
2013-03-20 01:57:43 PM
Never was much into SimCity.  The Sims, on the other hand...

/god please don't make The Sims always online
 
2013-03-20 01:59:20 PM
Yay, let's ask the most entitled people on Earth which companies they think are the worst and trumpet that as some sort of news!

Let's not use a more scientific means, or talk to people who actually know what the fark they're talking about. Let's eviscerate a video game company once again because SimCity wasn't as great as it should have been!
 
2013-03-20 02:01:35 PM
Wow Citi are not on the list!
So proud
 
2013-03-20 02:02:07 PM
I'm not sure the mechanical failures were really the fault of Carnival. They could have been better prepared I guess, but feeding and dealing with a couple thousand old, fat tourists can't be easy when you don't have power.

I'm sure all victims were full refunded and given either cash or another cruise on da house. Then there'll be the lawsuits that follow... what fun!
 
2013-03-20 02:02:12 PM

Karac: fireclown: Bank Of America.  Simply awful.

I don't know ... Wells Fargo could probably give them a run for their money.
My previous bank, Wachovia, was bought out by WF.  I got at least one new charge or fee on my account every month for the next sixth months.
$20 overdraft protection fee - I haven't used it in the 15 years I had the account.  Not once, even in high school.
$25 student account fee - because apparently they thought I was in the 30th grade of high school.
$10 fee for sending me new checks I never requested that now say WF on them.
$30 low balance / low use fee which they automatically charged everyone on the 1st of the month, but would refund at the end of the month if it didn't apply.

Sure, I got them to refund or rescind every one of those fees, but enough was well and farking enough.  The manager couldn't quite understand why I wanted to close my account the last time I went in.  She also seemed personally offended I wouldn't take a check and demanded cash money.  My other account, and only now, is with Navy Fed.  The nearest branch may be 200 miles away, but they've never tried to screw me over.


"30th grade of high school"

Hahaha....thanks for my 1st genuine laugh of the day. And as a former asst. bank manager looking for a job, I will steer clear of WF now.
 
2013-03-20 02:04:53 PM
Although I doubt they'll win #1, I at least want AT&T to get to the semifinals.  This is mainly due to me asking one of their customer service reps via chat what the average latency is in my area (just curious about switching over from Time Warner, who also sucks balls).  The answer I got was "it's fiber optics, there is no such latency".

So there you have it folks, AT&T is now offering faster than light data transfer.  You get the information before it's even been sent to you!  Wow!  Einstein ain't got nothin on AT&T!
 
2013-03-20 02:06:01 PM

Slaxl: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

Judging from what I've read most of the systems that make people move about the city are completely broken. If that's true then surely you must have noticed something?

The only reason I haven't bought it is because it seems the simulation aspect is non-existant. I can live with DRM, as much as it irks me, but I can't live with a city building game that doesn't simulate aspects of standard, basic, city life. So I would be interested to know if anyone else has had no problems with it, and in fact thought it very well simulated.


This right here. A real Sim City would see your new roads and buildings held up because corrupt city councilmen want to give their friends favors, rather than get anything useful built for the city. And you'd face recall election threats from citizens b*tching about their taxes being raised.
 
2013-03-20 02:08:01 PM
EA will win again, not because they are the worst company; but because hell hath no fury like a video game geek scorned.
 
2013-03-20 02:09:34 PM

Peepeye: I don't know ... Wells Fargo could probably give them a run for their money.
My previous bank, Wachovia, was bought out by WF. I got at least one new charge or fee on my account every month for the next sixth months.
$20 overdraft protection fee - I haven't used it in the 15 years I had the account. Not once, even in high school.
$25 student account fee - because apparently they thought I was in the 30th grade of high school.
$10 fee for sending me new checks I never requested that now say WF on them.
$30 low balance / low use fee which they automatically charged everyone on the 1st of the month, but would refund at the end of the month if it didn't apply.


Great googley ,moogley.    I have two words:  Credit.  Union.
 
2013-03-20 02:11:33 PM
Can we nominate The Consumerist?...Just because they disabled their own on-site Comment system months and months ago, blamed "hackers", promised they would have it back up and running, and still nothing.
 
2013-03-20 02:12:19 PM

wildcardjack: As someone who gets a lot of services through FedEx and UPS I gotta say neither belongs on the board. They're both six sigma grade companies and rarely present problems.


Ontrac and Lasership tend to be the ones that worry me. But it's not my choice which one carries my product, it's always about time and money as calculated by the elves.

Ontrac and Lasership aren't in my area, so I can't speak to them, but I am having a *real* issue with UPS right now.  The last 3 deliveries they have made consisted of the driver dropping the package on my doorstep and taking off.

I wouldn't make a big deal out of it but all 3 packages were shipped "Adult Signature Only - Validate ID" because I am a home-based FFL dealer and all 3 packages contained firearms.  The first 2 I found quickly because I noticed the truck driving away, but this last one (containing a Bushmaster AR-15) ended up leaning against my front door all night long.

Sent an e-mail to the regional managers office explaining the situation and offering to forward them the footage from the security cameras...not a peep out of them.
 
2013-03-20 02:13:17 PM

andyofne: gunga galunga: Karac: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

From what I've heard: the city sizes are smaller, you (and EA's servers) have to be in constant contact, it's forced multiplayer, and because of the multiplayer aspect you can't save and reload.

That last bit is what would really irk me.  They've taken away the opportunity to say "GOD DAMN IT" and wipe out your city in a hailstorm of godzilla, meltdowns, and hurricanes - then reload the last save tomorrow.

Forced multiplayer? That's all I need to know. Thanks.

Set up a private area and don't invite anyone. You're all alone.


True, but that still doesn't allow for you to nuke the city for fun then reload a previous save. This coupled with the extremely poor agent AI makes running a nuke power plant very very dangerous. Nuke plants require highly educated workers. Unskilled workers increase the chance of a meltdown. The way the agent AI works however is that a worker leaves residential and stops at the first building it encounters with an unfilled job slot. If that happens to be your nuke plant, and the worker happens to be one of the 10% of your population that never went to college... BOOM!!!
 
2013-03-20 02:14:30 PM
www.salem-news.com
and

civiliancontractors.files.wordpress.com
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-20 02:15:40 PM
EA may get some sympathy or some "wait and see" on the vote now that Riccitiello's out (the 29th is his last day). I think Sim City might have been what finally made the shareholders say "ok John, you can either step down voluntarily or we'll fire your ass. After DA2. SWTOR, ME3, and now this, we just can't take any more losses and horrible press."

Sweet baby Jesus, I hope they get someone actually competent in to take over...


Personally, my choice are--in order--EA, Bof A, AT&T, and WalMart.
 
2013-03-20 02:17:43 PM

MBZ321: Can we nominate The Consumerist?...Just because they disabled their own on-site Comment system months and months ago, blamed "hackers", promised they would have it back up and running, and still nothing.


Why make them the worst for the best thing they ever did? Consumerist commenters ranked right up there with Yahoo and Youtube commenters.
 
2013-03-20 02:18:22 PM

andyofne: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

It has a lot of issues. They probably did rush the release and didn't do good beta testing / QA.


They didn't rush the release or skimp on the testing.  They just did what a lot of other companies have since broadband internet became popular - let the customers do the testing.  It was nice, back in the day when having to release patches was considered to be embarrassing.
 
2013-03-20 02:18:29 PM
No Activision? Wow, Kotick dodged a bullet.

The Final Four will be...

At&t
Walmart
Carnival
Time Warner
 
2013-03-20 02:19:57 PM

Voiceofreason01: Best Buy probably can't beat Walmart but let's keep in mind that Best Buy spent the first half of this year crying to Congress that they can't compete with their outdated business model and overpriced shiat and won't Congress please pass some laws to help out.


FTFY because why pay $29.99-34.99 for a new release bluray or $49.99-64.99 for a new release season of <insert show> on bluray when I can buy the same exact bluray, usually with extras, on Amazon for $10-35 less? That's why Best Buy can't compete.
 
2013-03-20 02:20:54 PM

RTOGUY: firefly212: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

It lacks the features and fun of SimCity predecessors... it's basically a facebook game, only without the facebook. I'm sure it's right for someone, but the lack of bulldozers to raise/lower terrain, the lack of subways and options like that, the dumbed-down AI, and the staggeringly small city maps that limit you to building East Davenport, IA (you can build it several times in the same region) are just too many factors to overcome. The initial server outages, and day 1 dlc, combined with EAs history of shuttering servers as soon as they release a follow up game, that's just icing on the cake.

The game is probably right for someone, but calling it SimCity is a gross misnomer.

That's my feeling as well. The lack of subways especially hurts because the maps are so small and traffic congestion can become a major game breaker. No power lines, no pipes, no ordinances, no prisons or military bases there are no real decisions at all for you to make except where to drop zones and roads. once the novelty wears off of the beatiful graphics and fun music it is an incredibly hollow Simcity experience.


i posted in another thread, but what the heck

since the new SimCity is a turd, i'm looking at playing an older game.  i've seen folks here talk about
Caesar III & Civilization 5

and i'm curious if anybody can point me to one of the two as "better"

also:  are  Caesar III & Civilization 5  like Halo Wars?  strategy game that is just a match, not ongoing like SimCity?

cheers
 
2013-03-20 02:21:24 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Having been personally affected by Bank of America and Comcast with bogus invoices, I'm hoping one of them "wins"
My only regret is that the "winners" will continue to be jerks and still make money.


Ah, I was wondering where the BofA hate was coming from. I bounced my account recently and they don't do the multiple charges for going over anymore, but I think that is thanks to probably the ONLY good thing congress has accomplished in decades. My girlfriend works with BoA verifying customer accounts with them and has nothing but good things to say about dealing with their reps - always professional and helpful unlike all the other banks she deals with.

Chase on the other hand, I've heard HORRIBLE things about from lots of different sources...
 
2013-03-20 02:22:00 PM
Chase should win it all. Fark Chase with a rusty screwdriver.
 
2013-03-20 02:24:49 PM
The list should entail every American company that has crossed the border to infest my beloved Socialist Canada, killing small businesses and large alike by selling crap we don't need that was manufactured by slave labour in the orient and Mexico.
 
  /never set foot inside a walmart, never gonna, now adding farking target to that idealogical list.
 
2013-03-20 02:26:01 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: wildcardjack: As someone who gets a lot of services through FedEx and UPS I gotta say neither belongs on the board. They're both six sigma grade companies and rarely present problems.

Ontrac and Lasership tend to be the ones that worry me. But it's not my choice which one carries my product, it's always about time and money as calculated by the elves.

Farking Ontrac. They tell Amazon they've delivered a package then their driver drops it off at 5 a.m the next morning.

If you lived in my neighborhood, you'd understand about thinking your package is outside, just waiting to be stolen.


Yeah, I love the e-mail confirmation my package has arrived a day before the package shows up. Took me a little while to figure out that it wasn't my packages being stolen.

/ shakes tiny fist
 
2013-03-20 02:26:54 PM

gunga galunga: Karac: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

From what I've heard: the city sizes are smaller, you (and EA's servers) have to be in constant contact, it's forced multiplayer, and because of the multiplayer aspect you can't save and reload.

That last bit is what would really irk me.  They've taken away the opportunity to say "GOD DAMN IT" and wipe out your city in a hailstorm of godzilla, meltdowns, and hurricanes - then reload the last save tomorrow.

Forced multiplayer? That's all I need to know. Thanks.


Yep. EA has decided that all your gaming will now be online so that they can charge you microtransaction fees. (Also for DRM purposes) Everything will, as I understand it, eventually be tied to a single EA login (or that's supposedly the plan) so that all your games, achievements, microtransactions, etc, can be linked--it's not unlink Ubisoft's Uplay, which does the same thing, or Blizzard's Battlenet. Difference is, EA, in Riccitiello's words, wants to charge you a buck for more ammo to finish your boss fight, which neither Uplay nor Battlenet does.
 
2013-03-20 02:27:39 PM

misguided: Walker: Well they didn't literally crap on their customers. The customers on the upper decks crapped on the customers on the lower decks.

so like trickle down?


Finally! We've been promised that for decades!
 
2013-03-20 02:28:00 PM
Bank of America for being thieving little biatches.


Oh, you don't have over a grand in your savings? We'll charge you monthly for being so poor.
 
2013-03-20 02:28:29 PM

fireclown: Peepeye: I don't know ... Wells Fargo could probably give them a run for their money.
My previous bank, Wachovia, was bought out by WF. I got at least one new charge or fee on my account every month for the next sixth months.
$20 overdraft protection fee - I haven't used it in the 15 years I had the account. Not once, even in high school.
$25 student account fee - because apparently they thought I was in the 30th grade of high school.
$10 fee for sending me new checks I never requested that now say WF on them.
$30 low balance / low use fee which they automatically charged everyone on the 1st of the month, but would refund at the end of the month if it didn't apply.

Great googley ,moogley.    I have two words:  Credit.  Union.


That's what Navy Federal is, and that's where all my money is now.  I had the account with a local bank because at one time my boss didn't offer direct deposit and the nearest NFCU branch or ATM was a two hour drive away.  I had set up the Navy Fed account because I was in the reserves and would face the reverse problem when I was activated / deployed / on my two weeks a year - the nearest Wachovia branch might be two continents away.

Well for that reason and because my drill instructors said that while they weren't allowed to tell us to set up an account with NFCU, they were allowed to tell us that we would physically regret - and quite soon -  not doing so.
 
2013-03-20 02:30:51 PM

Aigoo: because why pay $29.99-34.99 for a new release bluray or $49.99-64.99 for a new release season of <insert show> on bluray when I can buy the same exact bluray, usually with extras, on Amazon for $10-35 less? That's why Best Buy can't compete.


If you want it NOW, you pay the price.

BBY is D-U-N done. They can't make any money on the products they sell, because their overhead is so high, despite cutting salary, closing stores, etc. With the rise of online retailers, there's no margin....and they're stuck in leases that they can't get out of, all over the country.
 
2013-03-20 02:30:59 PM

netgamer7k: Bank of America for being thieving little biatches.


Oh, you don't have over a grand in your savings? We'll charge you monthly for being so poor.



For the longest time I saw Bank of America abbreviated as BofA.  I took me a long time to realize that it didn't mean Bank of farking America.
 
2013-03-20 02:33:20 PM

Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...


We are talking about catering to the gaming community.... these people have high expectations and standards they have been fans of the sim city franchise for years...  considering how long its been since the last sim city title... expecting a certain level of quality is not unreasonable!
 
2013-03-20 02:35:24 PM

secularsage: Let's eviscerate a video game company once again because SimCity wasn't as great as it should have been!


As great as it should have been? You mean, unable to play a single-player game at all because they couldn't access the server?

It's not "entitled" when you legitimately cannot use a product or service you have paid/are paying for--as was the case in Sim City and as was the case for many months with SWTOR for many people with developer-acknowledged issues in crashing and BSODs (Tier 4&5--that would be the development team--tech support finally resolved my BSOD issues after 4 months last year with SWTOR and it was such an issue for players for months that there were sticky threads on the forums about it). And for SWTOR players who could not play despite paying a subscription, there was no compensation. (WB Games/Turbine compensates players in the form of an in-game item when there is extended downtime on a regular basis--I note that they are not on the list).

You might consider looking up the meaning of the word "entitled" before you throw it around before you make yourself sound like even more of an idiot.
 
2013-03-20 02:36:31 PM

Karac: netgamer7k: Bank of America for being thieving little biatches.


Oh, you don't have over a grand in your savings? We'll charge you monthly for being so poor.


For the longest time I saw Bank of America abbreviated as BofA.  I took me a long time to realize that it didn't mean Bank of farking America.


how is this different from any other bank?
 
2013-03-20 02:40:04 PM

netgamer7k: Bank of America for being thieving little biatches.


Oh, you don't have over a grand in your savings? We'll charge you monthly for being so poor.


Admittedly, Chase does that, but they give you a pass for setting up direct deposit.

/Started the year $40K in debt.
//Will end it less than $20K.
///They haven't screwed me yet, and having an ATM both here and when I go home to Michigan is nice.
 
2013-03-20 02:41:20 PM

wildcardjack: six sigma grade


LOL.
 
2013-03-20 02:41:46 PM
I end up doing some consulting work for major ag interests on the multinational level, and if nerds on the Consumerist are ready to vote EA the worst company in America because of a farking video game launch, they really are sheltered and out of touch. I get whispers of some really sinister shiat happening overseas from those companies and I imagine those are far worse.

But oh noes, my $60 video game didn't work right! Get a grip on reality and lose the entitlement. Some companies are, y'know, actually doing evil stuff.
 
2013-03-20 02:42:13 PM

MadCat: andyofne: gunga galunga: Karac: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

From what I've heard: the city sizes are smaller, you (and EA's servers) have to be in constant contact, it's forced multiplayer, and because of the multiplayer aspect you can't save and reload.

That last bit is what would really irk me.  They've taken away the opportunity to say "GOD DAMN IT" and wipe out your city in a hailstorm of godzilla, meltdowns, and hurricanes - then reload the last save tomorrow.

Forced multiplayer? That's all I need to know. Thanks.

Set up a private area and don't invite anyone. You're all alone.

True, but that still doesn't allow for you to nuke the city for fun then reload a previous save. This coupled with the extremely poor agent AI makes running a nuke power plant very very dangerous. Nuke plants require highly educated workers. Unskilled workers increase the chance of a meltdown. The way the agent AI works however is that a worker leaves residential and stops at the first building it encounters with an unfilled job slot. If that happens to be your nuke plant, and the worker happens to be one of the 10% of your population that never went to college... BOOM!!!


Really?


I mean....


Really?
 
2013-03-20 02:43:07 PM

oh_please: Aigoo: because why pay $29.99-34.99 for a new release bluray or $49.99-64.99 for a new release season of <insert show> on bluray when I can buy the same exact bluray, usually with extras, on Amazon for $10-35 less? That's why Best Buy can't compete.

If you want it NOW, you pay the price.


Or you go to Target or any number of stores that charge about the same as Amazon, plus or minus a buck or two. There is literally no reason at all for Best Buy to charge what they do. They're failing as a business because they are gouging, plain and simple. Target has overhead, too. So do many other stores (Walmart has some, but the way they 'pay' their people, it's minimal). They manage to keep their prices reasonable.

Fun fact: I looked up the price on a laptop on Best Buy's site and the manufacturer's site recently. Best Buy was charging $400 more than the manufacturer online and the laptop wasn't available in store. Shipping would have taken the same amount of time from both BBY and the manufacturer... so no, nothing at all to do with getting it NOW, everything to do with gouging. FWIW.. Walmart's online price on the same model was even higher! $600 more than the manufacturer and $200 more than Best Buy, so if you know Walmart fans, tell them to price check cause ol' Wallyworld ain't always the best deal.
 
2013-03-20 02:47:32 PM

inner ted: RTOGUY:
That's my feeling as well. The lack of subways especially hurts because the maps are so small and traffic congestion can become a major game breaker. No power lines, no pipes, no ordinances, no prisons or military bases there are no real decisions at all for you to make except where to drop zones and roads. once the novelty wears off of the beatiful graphics and fun music it is an incredibly hollow Simcity experience.

i posted in another thread, but what the heck

since the new SimCity is a turd, i'm looking at playing an older game.  i've seen folks here talk about
Caesar III & Civilization 5

and i'm curious if anybody can point me to one of the two as "better"

also:  are  Caesar III & Civilization 5  like Halo Wars?  strategy game that is just a match, not ongoing like SimCity?

cheers


Both are standalone games no multi-player required. Caesar 3 has a campaign mode you can play through but Civ 5 will give you more replay value with the random maps. Both are really good though keep in mind Caesar 3 is older and it shows but it is a fun and challenging game.


speckio: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

We are talking about catering to the gaming community.... these people have high expectations and standards they have been fans of the sim city franchise for years...  considering how long its been since the last sim city title... expecting a certain level of quality is not unreasonable!


My standards are actually not that high at all. Just to throw this out there as an example of why people are complaining I just tried to play Simcity and got 15 minutes in when the game couldn't sync up with the server and it crashed. Not only did it crash but it actually corrupted my city  I had been playing for 3 days and the city can't be recovered. Since the only place you can save is the EA servers there is no autosave or rolling it back my game is just gone. That is the kind of crap nobody should have to put up with and there is no other product you can buy where the product can be so blatantly faulty and the consumer is told to just shut up and stop complaining and you actually have no recourse whatsoever.
 
2013-03-20 02:47:34 PM

gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?


It should have been called SimBorough. A lot of the complaints boil down to you're really one smaller city in a larger region. The social aspects allow one city to handle all the garbage collection, while another can handle electricity, etc. This is where the whole MMO aspect comes in. You can build "traditional" cities all by yourself, but it really pushes the "borrow your neighbor's assets and lend them your own" aspect. I've made a city that is nothing but an oil and coal town (horrible pollution, low class residents, but the city is rich as hell) and a city with no industrial zones, but full of casinos and tourist traps (while buying water, electricity, etc from neighbors). It's fun but somewhat removed from what SimCity has always been.
 
2013-03-20 02:49:37 PM
"Will EA remain reigning champ with its botched release of SimCity? "

What bizarre world does subby live in where EA are the reigning champ of anything in the video game world?
 
2013-03-20 02:49:49 PM

Electromax: I end up doing some consulting work for major ag interests on the multinational level, and if nerds on the Consumerist are ready to vote EA the worst company in America because of a farking video game launch, they really are sheltered and out of touch. I get whispers of some really sinister shiat happening overseas from those companies and I imagine those are far worse.

But oh noes, my $60 video game didn't work right! Get a grip on reality and lose the entitlement. Some companies are, y'know, actually doing evil stuff.


The problem with SimCity isn't so much that the $60 game doesn't work right. The problem is that EA charged $60 for a game that should have been released for free on Facebook and their customer service refuses to refund the customers that got bilked. Single player or multiplayer, DRM or no DRM, $60 should purchase a polished game that shows off the quality and skill of your development team, not a cobbled together mess of Javascript trying to be the next Farmville.
 
2013-03-20 02:50:35 PM

wildcardjack: Wade_Wilson: wildcardjack: As someone who gets a lot of services through FedEx and UPS I gotta say neither belongs on the board. They're both six sigma grade companies and rarely present problems.

Ontrac and Lasership tend to be the ones that worry me. But it's not my choice which one carries my product, it's always about time and money as calculated by the elves.

We now know Santa's Fark handle!

Didn't know you were outsourcing your deliveries, Santa, but I guess it's more efficient than the reindeer thing.

Also, I wanna bicycle.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 540x960]


We might share the same outsourcing strategy and have big bellies and long beards, but mine's reddish brown, not white.


Quick question.... how does this work?

"I am 100% Fulfilled By Amazon"

So.... you have a storefront that sells items from Amazon, filled by Amazon, through Amazon?
 
2013-03-20 02:57:31 PM

MadCat: Electromax: I end up doing some consulting work for major ag interests on the multinational level, and if nerds on the Consumerist are ready to vote EA the worst company in America because of a farking video game launch, they really are sheltered and out of touch. I get whispers of some really sinister shiat happening overseas from those companies and I imagine those are far worse.

But oh noes, my $60 video game didn't work right! Get a grip on reality and lose the entitlement. Some companies are, y'know, actually doing evil stuff.

The problem with SimCity isn't so much that the $60 game doesn't work right. The problem is that EA charged $60 for a game that should have been released for free on Facebook and their customer service refuses to refund the customers that got bilked. Single player or multiplayer, DRM or no DRM, $60 should purchase a polished game that shows off the quality and skill of your development team, not a cobbled together mess of Javascript trying to be the next Farmville.


Yeah, I haven't played a SimCity game but the launch sounds like a mess and EA clearly has no clue what their fanbase wants, and is taking the MPAA approach of forcing down throats and expecting that to work. Old dudes in charge I guess.

I just don't think that is worth being the worst company in America, when you consider what many companies in America are doing that affect much larger/more unfortunate groups than the American social stratum that plays city-building PC games in the month after they launch. Like botching my SimCity/the things you mentioned are the greatest affront, but the healthcare/agriculture/military complexes are just fine.

EA belongs on a "Dumb Asshole" companies list, but not "worst" is a strong word.
 
2013-03-20 03:00:13 PM
My vote is for Congress.
 
2013-03-20 03:05:33 PM

Digital Communist: What bizarre world does subby live in where EA are the reigning champ of anything in the video game world?


The one where you realize that they are the reigning champ of suck? They won this award last year, and it's not the kind of award you'd want to win (And EA just laughed at it and shrugged it off, which show some massive level of disconnect between their heads and the people who give them money. But so does so many other things they do, so it's hardly surprising)
 
2013-03-20 03:11:22 PM

Electromax: MadCat: Electromax: I end up doing some consulting work for major ag interests on the multinational level, and if nerds on the Consumerist are ready to vote EA the worst company in America because of a farking video game launch, they really are sheltered and out of touch. I get whispers of some really sinister shiat happening overseas from those companies and I imagine those are far worse.

But oh noes, my $60 video game didn't work right! Get a grip on reality and lose the entitlement. Some companies are, y'know, actually doing evil stuff.

The problem with SimCity isn't so much that the $60 game doesn't work right. The problem is that EA charged $60 for a game that should have been released for free on Facebook and their customer service refuses to refund the customers that got bilked. Single player or multiplayer, DRM or no DRM, $60 should purchase a polished game that shows off the quality and skill of your development team, not a cobbled together mess of Javascript trying to be the next Farmville.

Yeah, I haven't played a SimCity game but the launch sounds like a mess and EA clearly has no clue what their fanbase wants, and is taking the MPAA approach of forcing down throats and expecting that to work. Old dudes in charge I guess.

I just don't think that is worth being the worst company in America, when you consider what many companies in America are doing that affect much larger/more unfortunate groups than the American social stratum that plays city-building PC games in the month after they launch. Like botching my SimCity/the things you mentioned are the greatest affront, but the healthcare/agriculture/military complexes are just fine.

EA belongs on a "Dumb Asshole" companies list, but not "worst" is a strong word.


While I agree with you that there are worse things happening in America than getting bilked by a videogame company, EA is a single easily identifiable entity. The healthcare/agricultural/military complexes are, well, complexes. It's hard to single out one company in any of them as worse then the others, and in a competition like this you need a clear winner. Big banks suffer from the same problem. They're all evil. The only reason BoA stands out is the historic rampant sheer disregard for due process in foreclosures.
 
2013-03-20 03:11:28 PM

the_sidewinder: Digital Communist: What bizarre world does subby live in where EA are the reigning champ of anything in the video game world?

The one where you realize that they are the reigning champ of suck? They won this award last year, and it's not the kind of award you'd want to win (And EA just laughed at it and shrugged it off, which show some massive level of disconnect between their heads and the people who give them money. But so does so many other things they do, so it's hardly surprising)


Ah, i didn't realize they won last year, which completely changes the headline.  You got me, subby.
 
2013-03-20 03:14:49 PM
No Monsanto? Meh.
 
2013-03-20 03:16:36 PM
I actually did up a bracket for WCIA this year.  So far I'm 100%.
 
2013-03-20 03:16:50 PM

germ78: No Monsanto? Meh.


You have to remember that this competition is from the consumer point of view. Monsanto is probably one of the most evil companies in the world, but the average person in the grocery store doesn't know and doesn't care.
 
2013-03-20 03:21:46 PM

MadCat: germ78: No Monsanto? Meh.

You have to remember that this competition is from the consumer point of view. Monsanto is probably one of the most evil companies in the world, but the average person in the grocery store doesn't know and doesn't care.


Exactly.... not to Godwin the thread, but, there are companies that are basically killing people in the name of profit... vs companies that basically are just screwing over consumers at their very worst.  But, to consumers, we happily don't want to look behind the curtain at how the products are made, we just get angry over customer service issues.
 
2013-03-20 03:21:55 PM

Medic Zero: Ah, I was wondering where the BofA hate was coming from. I bounced my account recently and they don't do the multiple charges for going over anymore, but I think that is thanks to probably the ONLY good thing congress has accomplished in decades. My girlfriend works with BoA verifying customer accounts with them and has nothing but good things to say about dealing with their reps - always professional and helpful unlike all the other banks she deals with.

Chase on the other hand, I've heard HORRIBLE things about from lots of different sources...


I had an account with BoA - I had a specific overdraft protection plan where I never get charged for bouncing a check, the balance comes out of my line of credit.  So I mistakenly transferred too much from my checking to my savings and I overdrafted a check.  Except 3 weeks later, within that very same period, Bank of America sent me my statement ALONG WITH a change to their terms.  The changes included dropping my overdraft protection plan and they charged me a $35 bounce fee.
I don't care what changes Congress may or may not have made - if they need laws to tell them how to properly treat a customer, they don't deserve customers.

My big Comcast story (tl;dr) ends with the girl behind the counter having a black eye, and everyone of us in line saying "as a person she didn't deserve it, but as an agent of Comcast, she did."
 
2013-03-20 03:25:20 PM

Electromax: Yeah, I haven't played a SimCity game but the launch sounds like a mess and EA clearly has no clue what their fanbase wants, and is taking the MPAA approach of forcing down throats and expecting that to work. Old dudes in charge I guess.I just don't think that is worth being the worst company in America, when you consider what many companies in America are doing that affect much larger/more unfortunate groups than the American social stratum that plays city-building PC games in the month after they launch. Like botching my SimCity/the things you mentioned are the greatest affront, but the healthcare/agriculture/military complexes are just fine.EA belongs on a "Dumb Asshole" companies list, but not "worst" is a strong word.


Maybe the fact that the results of this contest is being based on an online poll at the Consumerist web site should clue you in to that this is not an billion pound ultra serious investigative report into the inner dealings of every company in the entire US, and is instead just a half joking excuse to get audience participation and let people blow off steam about the companies that directly affect their lives?
 
2013-03-20 03:26:03 PM
My bracket has AT&T and BOA in the final.  In spite of what all the others have done, nothing compares to the sheer scope of consumer screwing these 2 companies have accomplished.
 
2013-03-20 03:30:59 PM

the_sidewinder: Digital Communist: What bizarre world does subby live in where EA are the reigning champ of anything in the video game world?

The one where you realize that they are the reigning champ of suck? They won this award last year, and it's not the kind of award you'd want to win (And EA just laughed at it and shrugged it off, which show some massive level of disconnect between their heads and the people who give them money. But so does so many other things they do, so it's hardly surprising)


Many video gamers are addicts. The dealer doesn't care if his customer are still BFF is they control most of hte supply.
 
2013-03-20 03:32:59 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Medic Zero: Ah, I was wondering where the BofA hate was coming from. I bounced my account recently and they don't do the multiple charges for going over anymore, but I think that is thanks to probably the ONLY good thing congress has accomplished in decades. My girlfriend works with BoA verifying customer accounts with them and has nothing but good things to say about dealing with their reps - always professional and helpful unlike all the other banks she deals with.

Chase on the other hand, I've heard HORRIBLE things about from lots of different sources...

I had an account with BoA - I had a specific overdraft protection plan where I never get charged for bouncing a check, the balance comes out of my line of credit.  So I mistakenly transferred too much from my checking to my savings and I overdrafted a check.  Except 3 weeks later, within that very same period, Bank of America sent me my statement ALONG WITH a change to their terms.  The changes included dropping my overdraft protection plan and they charged me a $35 bounce fee.
I don't care what changes Congress may or may not have made - if they need laws to tell them how to properly treat a customer, they don't deserve customers.

My big Comcast story (tl;dr) ends with the girl behind the counter having a black eye, and everyone of us in line saying "as a person she didn't deserve it, but as an agent of Comcast, she did."


Ideally we'd change to a credit union, but we live in an apartment with coin-op laundry. There's a BoA two doors down and no credit unions for miles, so we'll be sticking with BoA for several more years until I'm done with going back to school and get my new job making more pay.
 
2013-03-20 03:36:35 PM
Medic Zero:
Ideally we'd change to a credit union, but we live in an apartment with coin-op laundry. There's a BoA two doors down and no credit unions for miles, so we'll be sticking with BoA for several more years until I'm done with going back to school and get my new job making more pay.

This is exactly why they have customers.  So many branches and ATMs.  After the change, I never have cash on me and have to plan my stops to a bank.  Still worth it for me.
 
2013-03-20 03:36:38 PM

Hobodeluxe: You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Hobodeluxe: my picks.
anyone sponsoring hate.
ie. Rush Limbaugh show
Chic fil A

Chic-Fil-A never told me the gays were bad nor did they ever discriminate against anyone based on sexual preference.

But continue your boycott you've given them record profits.

no they just contribute to the cause to keep them classified as second class citizens.
and yes there is profit in hate sad to say. but they're not getting my money.


I really wish more people would boycott chic-fil-a. Maybe then I could get a chicken sandwich at lunchtime without waiting in line for half an hour.
 
2013-03-20 03:50:35 PM

Karac: fireclown: Bank Of America.  Simply awful.

I don't know ... Wells Fargo could probably give them a run for their money.
My previous bank, Wachovia, was bought out by WF.  I got at least one new charge or fee on my account every month for the next sixth months.
$20 overdraft protection fee - I haven't used it in the 15 years I had the account.  Not once, even in high school.
$25 student account fee - because apparently they thought I was in the 30th grade of high school.
$10 fee for sending me new checks I never requested that now say WF on them.
$30 low balance / low use fee which they automatically charged everyone on the 1st of the month, but would refund at the end of the month if it didn't apply.

Sure, I got them to refund or rescind every one of those fees, but enough was well and farking enough.  The manager couldn't quite understand why I wanted to close my account the last time I went in.  She also seemed personally offended I wouldn't take a check and demanded cash money.  My other account, and only now, is with Navy Fed.  The nearest branch may be 200 miles away, but they've never tried to screw me over.


my biggest gripe with NFCU was that they were fine to deal with in person, and fine to deal with as long as you were handling transactions purely through them(car loan etc, all under them), but the minute you got outside writing more than a check a week, or heaven forbid, using debit, they completely dropped the ball and lost their shiat, not unlike a cocker spaniel with ADD.

in all seriousness, the negligence was unbelievable, and their ability to look like a bunch of retards all trying to dry hump the same park toy was unparalleled. so i went to a professional bank. left THAT bank because of how they were manipulating the timing of charges/deposits so they could tag me with overdrafts, and went to a local credit union that's respectable.

and it was a good day.
 
2013-03-20 04:07:51 PM

Medic Zero: misguided: Walker: Well they didn't literally crap on their customers. The customers on the upper decks crapped on the customers on the lower decks.

so like trickle down?

Finally! We've been promised that for decades!


If it's EA, the "trickle down" will be pixelated.
 
2013-03-20 04:12:53 PM
I vote for Capcom.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-20 04:14:22 PM
Weyland-Yutani

Union Aerospace Corporation

Umbrella Corp

Monsanto

My final 4
 
2013-03-20 04:14:24 PM
obvious
i2.ytimg.com
 
2013-03-20 04:26:30 PM

MBooda: Medic Zero: misguided: Walker: Well they didn't literally crap on their customers. The customers on the upper decks crapped on the customers on the lower decks.

so like trickle down?

Finally! We've been promised that for decades!

If it's EA, the "trickle down" will be pixelated paid DLC.


FTFY
 
2013-03-20 04:38:42 PM

xria: Electromax: Yeah, I haven't played a SimCity game but the launch sounds like a mess and EA clearly has no clue what their fanbase wants, and is taking the MPAA approach of forcing down throats and expecting that to work. Old dudes in charge I guess.I just don't think that is worth being the worst company in America, when you consider what many companies in America are doing that affect much larger/more unfortunate groups than the American social stratum that plays city-building PC games in the month after they launch. Like botching my SimCity/the things you mentioned are the greatest affront, but the healthcare/agriculture/military complexes are just fine.EA belongs on a "Dumb Asshole" companies list, but not "worst" is a strong word.

Maybe the fact that the results of this contest is being based on an online poll at the Consumerist web site should clue you in to that this is not an billion pound ultra serious investigative report into the inner dealings of every company in the entire US, and is instead just a half joking excuse to get audience participation and let people blow off steam about the companies that directly affect their lives?


Yes, but I don't have a sense of humor!
 
2013-03-20 04:49:51 PM

wildcardjack: As someone who gets a lot of services through FedEx and UPS I gotta say neither belongs on the board. They're both six sigma grade companies and rarely present problems.

Ontrac and Lasership tend to be the ones that worry me. But it's not my choice which one carries my product, it's always about time and money as calculated by the elves.


FedEx would be great if their drivers could read a map.  I've had 2 overnight packages returned to sender because their driver decided that my apartment didn't exist.  Didn't check with the office, just decided the address was wrong.  Protip: #47 is right between 46 and 48.

Called customer service, and got nothing but excuses.  The biatch on the phone even tried to tell me the address was invalid.  Funny, UPS has no problems finding it.
 
2013-03-20 04:52:41 PM

inner ted: RTOGUY: firefly212: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

It lacks the features and fun of SimCity predecessors... it's basically a facebook game, only without the facebook. I'm sure it's right for someone, but the lack of bulldozers to raise/lower terrain, the lack of subways and options like that, the dumbed-down AI, and the staggeringly small city maps that limit you to building East Davenport, IA (you can build it several times in the same region) are just too many factors to overcome. The initial server outages, and day 1 dlc, combined with EAs history of shuttering servers as soon as they release a follow up game, that's just icing on the cake.

The game is probably right for someone, but calling it SimCity is a gross misnomer.

That's my feeling as well. The lack of subways especially hurts because the maps are so small and traffic congestion can become a major game breaker. No power lines, no pipes, no ordinances, no prisons or military bases there are no real decisions at all for you to make except where to drop zones and roads. once the novelty wears off of the beatiful graphics and fun music it is an incredibly hollow Simcity experience.

i posted in another thread, but what the heck

since the new SimCity is a turd, i'm looking at playing an older game.  i've seen folks here talk about
Caesar III & Civilization 5

and i'm curious if anybody can point me to one of the two as "better"

also:  are  Caesar III & Civilization 5  like Halo Wars?  strategy game that is just a match, not ongoing like SimCity?

cheers


I really love civ 5, and there are tons of great mods out for it.
 
2013-03-20 04:56:53 PM
EA will win because the internet has a 3 second memory. If a company accidentally nuked a major city last year, EA would still win. :P
 
2013-03-20 05:05:39 PM

firefly212: inner ted: RTOGUY: firefly212: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

It lacks the features and fun of SimCity predecessors... it's basically a facebook game, only without the facebook. I'm sure it's right for someone, but the lack of bulldozers to raise/lower terrain, the lack of subways and options like that, the dumbed-down AI, and the staggeringly small city maps that limit you to building East Davenport, IA (you can build it several times in the same region) are just too many factors to overcome. The initial server outages, and day 1 dlc, combined with EAs history of shuttering servers as soon as they release a follow up game, that's just icing on the cake.

The game is probably right for someone, but calling it SimCity is a gross misnomer.

That's my feeling as well. The lack of subways especially hurts because the maps are so small and traffic congestion can become a major game breaker. No power lines, no pipes, no ordinances, no prisons or military bases there are no real decisions at all for you to make except where to drop zones and roads. once the novelty wears off of the beatiful graphics and fun music it is an incredibly hollow Simcity experience.

i posted in another thread, but what the heck

since the new SimCity is a turd, i'm looking at playing an older game.  i've seen folks here talk about
Caesar III & Civilization 5

and i'm curious if anybody can point me to one of the two as "better"

also:  are  Caesar III & Civilization 5  like Halo Wars?  strategy game that is just a match, not ongoing like SimCity?

cheers

I really love civ 5, and there are tons of great mods out for it.


thanks!!

i think i have it narrowed between Civ 5  &  SimCity 4

 i'm super new to pc gaming (console 4 life) and will be trying the Steam website to play these - but i'm curious - what is so special about STEAM vs. just buying a copy on Amazon and actually having a hard copy??

also: the world of mods.  this is totally foreign to me - is it like DLC ? or is it like a Deluxe Edition? or are they 'hacks' that add things but crash the computer?

thanks again
 
2013-03-20 05:08:03 PM

Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...


You're missing the point. They said you had to be online all the time because they are running extra simulation your computer can't run. In reality there is no simulation going on. They lied. People go to the nearest available job and then go to the nearest available home. SOCIALISM! WHAARGAAARBLE! Pathfinding for car and Sims is horrible. Modders have shown you can play offline just fine and a person that worked for Maxis said they could have easily made an offline mode. The whole reason they lock you into being online all the time is to you have to register with them and Origin to play. Want to sell your disc? Sorry, this serial has already been activated on another account. Please purchase a new serial at full price. Also, in a couple years they are going to turn the servers off and you are left with a coaster. They released an unfinished game. They're up to patch 1.7 and have only just fixed some of the pathfinding. By version 14.7 they should have a finished game just in time for the servers to be shut off.
 
2013-03-20 05:17:57 PM

Karac: fireclown: Peepeye: I don't know ... Wells Fargo could probably give them a run for their money.
My previous bank, Wachovia, was bought out by WF. I got at least one new charge or fee on my account every month for the next sixth months.
$20 overdraft protection fee - I haven't used it in the 15 years I had the account. Not once, even in high school.
$25 student account fee - because apparently they thought I was in the 30th grade of high school.
$10 fee for sending me new checks I never requested that now say WF on them.
$30 low balance / low use fee which they automatically charged everyone on the 1st of the month, but would refund at the end of the month if it didn't apply.

Great googley ,moogley.    I have two words:  Credit.  Union.

That's what Navy Federal is, and that's where all my money is now.  I had the account with a local bank because at one time my boss didn't offer direct deposit and the nearest NFCU branch or ATM was a two hour drive away.  I had set up the Navy Fed account because I was in the reserves and would face the reverse problem when I was activated / deployed / on my two weeks a year - the nearest Wachovia branch might be two continents away.

Well for that reason and because my drill instructors said that while they weren't allowed to tell us to set up an account with NFCU, they were allowed to tell us that we would physically regret - and quite soon -  not doing so.


I live in Chicago, so my closest NFCU branch is God knows where, but it's never been a problem since I can scan deposits and get money from 7/11 ATMs with no charge. I switched a couple of years ago from Chase and never looked back.
 
2013-03-20 05:28:33 PM
fark EA in the ear.

/And anything they touch.
 
2013-03-20 05:34:02 PM
inner ted:
1) i'm super new to pc gaming (console 4 life) and will be trying the Steam website to play these - but i'm curious - what is so special about STEAM vs. just buying a copy on Amazon and actually having a hard copy??

2) also: the world of mods.  this is totally foreign to me - is it like DLC ? or is it like a Deluxe Edition? or are they 'hacks' that add things but crash the computer?


1) With Steam, you can never, ever lose your copy, and you don't need to do any disc management.  You can install it on any computer, and it will always work(ish.  Games written for Windows 98 are (and should be) iffy on Windows 7).  I've actually bought games with discs, and then gone back later and bought them on Steam just for the convenience factor (though I've averaged 1 move every 4-6 months for the last 4 years).

2) Mods are hacks.  Some mods are awesome, and add significant features.  Some mods suck and crash your computer.

For example, if you get Sim City, install the Network Addon Mod (NAM) because otherwise, traffic is broken.   It'll occasionally crash, but no more than the actual game (Hint: Turn it down to 1 core, and don't run it in 1080p or larger because that will corrupt your region map.  1079p is fine, 1080p sucks.  These are all ingame problems.  )
 
2013-03-20 05:34:58 PM
Final Four
Facebook - too many privacy policy changes and constantly changing things to screw over their app developers
JcP - failed turnaround, failed company
Time Warner - fairly weak bracket and I've been much happier with their internet recently, TV/DVR service and billing is total bs though.
winner of Ticketmaster vs Equifax - two companies that exist only to screw you.  At least at the end of the day you get an overpriced ticket through ticketmaster.
 
2013-03-20 05:40:08 PM
Comcast
Viacom
General Electric
Conde Nast
 
2013-03-20 05:41:29 PM

meyerkev: inner ted:
1) i'm super new to pc gaming (console 4 life) and will be trying the Steam website to play these - but i'm curious - what is so special about STEAM vs. just buying a copy on Amazon and actually having a hard copy??

2) also: the world of mods.  this is totally foreign to me - is it like DLC ? or is it like a Deluxe Edition? or are they 'hacks' that add things but crash the computer?

1) With Steam, you can never, ever lose your copy, and you don't need to do any disc management.  You can install it on any computer, and it will always work(ish.  Games written for Windows 98 are (and should be) iffy on Windows 7).  I've actually bought games with discs, and then gone back later and bought them on Steam just for the convenience factor (though I've averaged 1 move every 4-6 months for the last 4 years).

2) Mods are hacks.  Some mods are awesome, and add significant features.  Some mods suck and crash your computer.

For example, if you get Sim City, install the Network Addon Mod (NAM) because otherwise, traffic is broken.   It'll occasionally crash, but no more than the actual game (Hint: Turn it down to 1 core, and don't run it in 1080p or larger because that will corrupt your region map.  1079p is fine, 1080p sucks.  These are all ingame problems.  )


and a great big 'gracias' to you as well - i admit, i am terrible with computers, so the idea of mods is ... daunting, but that's what the wifey-poo is for, she's good with teh computerz
 
2013-03-20 05:54:12 PM

firefly212: inner ted: RTOGUY: firefly212: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

It lacks the features and fun of SimCity predecessors... it's basically a facebook game, only without the facebook. I'm sure it's right for someone, but the lack of bulldozers to raise/lower terrain, the lack of subways and options like that, the dumbed-down AI, and the staggeringly small city maps that limit you to building East Davenport, IA (you can build it several times in the same region) are just too many factors to overcome. The initial server outages, and day 1 dlc, combined with EAs history of shuttering servers as soon as they release a follow up game, that's just icing on the cake.

The game is probably right for someone, but calling it SimCity is a gross misnomer.

That's my feeling as well. The lack of subways especially hurts because the maps are so small and traffic congestion can become a major game breaker. No power lines, no pipes, no ordinances, no prisons or military bases there are no real decisions at all for you to make except where to drop zones and roads. once the novelty wears off of the beatiful graphics and fun music it is an incredibly hollow Simcity experience.

i posted in another thread, but what the heck

since the new SimCity is a turd, i'm looking at playing an older game.  i've seen folks here talk about
Caesar III & Civilization 5

and i'm curious if anybody can point me to one of the two as "better"

also:  are  Caesar III & Civilization 5  like Halo Wars?  strategy game that is just a match, not ongoing like SimCity?

cheers

I really love civ 5, and there are tons of great mods out for it.


now a buddy is talking about  Medieval 2: total war

it also looks badass

too many choices
too little time
 
2013-03-20 05:59:51 PM
wildcardjack: But it's not my choice which one carries my product, it's always about time and money as calculated by the elves.

I thought gnomes did the calculating, and elves got tipsy and piddled their trickster grease into the gears.
 
2013-03-20 06:35:17 PM

DSF6969: My bracket has AT&T and BOA in the final.  In spite of what all the others have done, nothing compares to the sheer scope of consumer screwing these 2 companies have accomplished.


That pretty much sums it up for me too. Altho I can't biatch about BoA's incompetence too much; they administer a sponsored credit card from a brokerage which later discontinued the sponsorship on it. BoA maintained the card and never changed the rate I got, which is oh, about 5% annual. No way I'm putting that one down to beneficence.
 
2013-03-20 06:39:25 PM

inner ted: meyerkev: inner ted:
1) i'm super new to pc gaming (console 4 life) and will be trying the Steam website to play these - but i'm curious - what is so special about STEAM vs. just buying a copy on Amazon and actually having a hard copy??

2) also: the world of mods.  this is totally foreign to me - is it like DLC ? or is it like a Deluxe Edition? or are they 'hacks' that add things but crash the computer?

1) With Steam, you can never, ever lose your copy, and you don't need to do any disc management.  You can install it on any computer, and it will always work(ish.  Games written for Windows 98 are (and should be) iffy on Windows 7).  I've actually bought games with discs, and then gone back later and bought them on Steam just for the convenience factor (though I've averaged 1 move every 4-6 months for the last 4 years).

2) Mods are hacks.  Some mods are awesome, and add significant features.  Some mods suck and crash your computer.

For example, if you get Sim City, install the Network Addon Mod (NAM) because otherwise, traffic is broken.   It'll occasionally crash, but no more than the actual game (Hint: Turn it down to 1 core, and don't run it in 1080p or larger because that will corrupt your region map.  1079p is fine, 1080p sucks.  These are all ingame problems.  )

and a great big 'gracias' to you as well - i admit, i am terrible with computers, so the idea of mods is ... daunting, but that's what the wifey-poo is for, she's good with teh computerz


And for games where mods are more or less mandatory (See: Any Bethesda game ever), some people who are much, much better than us have gone in and written mod managers.  So for Skyrim, it's a matter of:

1) Install Skyrim
2) Go to the site and download the Nexus mod manager (You will need a free account for this).
3) Pick your mods of choice and click on the "download through NMM" link.
4) Use the Mod manager to install and uninstall mods like magic.  There are a couple you'll need to do some manual stuff but not much.

/Among other things, for F:NV there's a mod for making Freeside and the Strip be single entities instead of divided like the were forced to be by consoles.  That's a required mod.
 
2013-03-20 06:47:15 PM

LeroyBourne: I wonder why Amazon isn't on that list. I've read they treat their warehouse workers like dirt.
/i guess i don't know if it is technically a company.


Yes, Amazon is a company.  Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN).

I've been an Amazon warehouse worker, and indeed, they are treated like dirt, or worse.

However, I think they may be trying to get out on a technicality.  At least when I worked there, the vast bulk of the warehouse workers were hired through temp services, so you'd work for some staffing firm (on paper at least) instead of Amazon.
 
2013-03-20 07:00:42 PM

Sim Tree: MindStalker: I never understood the hate for paypal. They aren't a bank, they don't have deposit insurance, but in general they've always tried to do the right thing. But when person X screws over person Y using paypal, paypal can't just throw money away and make it all better. All the accounts of paypal "locking funds" are temporary, and only last until paypal is sure that credit charges can't be reversed, leading paypal holding the bad.

1. Paypal had a nasty habit of using "six degrees of Kevin Bacon" when responding to bad charges. So if someone bought a widget off you for $1.00, and THEY sold something on ebay for $20, and the person who bought THAT stole a credit card to make that bid; payPal would lock all three of your accounts and pilfer all of the money inside of all of them to make themselves whole from the third theft. So if you had $600.00 in your account, the whole $600 would be gone because you legitimately sold a $1 widget.

2. Not to mention if an account ever had more than 5k in it, they would lock the account for at least two years, possibly forever, as 'obviously money laundering', and keep the money for themselves. They borked pennyArcade and somethingAwful.com's Hurricane releif, and Minecraft's Notch this way to the tune of over 20k a pop, merely for the crime of having "too much money" in the account. (They did finally let Notch go, although this may have more to do with the Nordic banking laws than any activity on payPal's part)

This led to a lot of really bad feeling when someone would be collecting money from multiple people kickstarter-style for a central purpose (charity, a major project, a group/class trip) and paypal would steal the money inside the account under cause 1 or cause 2, leaving the account-holder holding the bag for dozens, if not hundreds of screaming clients, demanding product and/or their money back and being unable to provide either, because payPal had all the money. And payPal was not a bank and needs to provide abso ...


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2013-03-20 07:08:24 PM

Electromax: I end up doing some consulting work for major ag interests on the multinational level, and if nerds on the Consumerist are ready to vote EA the worst company in America because of a farking video game launch, they really are sheltered and out of touch. I get whispers of some really sinister shiat happening overseas from those companies and I imagine those are far worse.

But oh noes, my $60 video game didn't work right! Get a grip on reality and lose the entitlement. Some companies are, y'know, actually doing evil stuff.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2013-03-20 07:11:47 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Medic Zero: Ah, I was wondering where the BofA hate was coming from. I bounced my account recently and they don't do the multiple charges for going over anymore, but I think that is thanks to probably the ONLY good thing congress has accomplished in decades. My girlfriend works with BoA verifying customer accounts with them and has nothing but good things to say about dealing with their reps - always professional and helpful unlike all the other banks she deals with.

Chase on the other hand, I've heard HORRIBLE things about from lots of different sources...

I had an account with BoA - I had a specific overdraft protection plan where I never get charged for bouncing a check, the balance comes out of my line of credit.  So I mistakenly transferred too much from my checking to my savings and I overdrafted a check.  Except 3 weeks later, within that very same period, Bank of America sent me my statement ALONG WITH a change to their terms.  The changes included dropping my overdraft protection plan and they charged me a $35 bounce fee.
I don't care what changes Congress may or may not have made - if they need laws to tell them how to properly treat a customer, they don't deserve customers.

My big Comcast story (tl;dr) ends with the girl behind the counter having a black eye, and everyone of us in line saying "as a person she didn't deserve it, but as an agent of Comcast, she did."


The Comcast girl was a worker bee. Never blame Level 1 support for decisions they have no control over.

Bank of America let you get off easy.
 
2013-03-20 07:40:05 PM
Will this headline format make me claw somebody's eyes out?
 
2013-03-20 08:26:56 PM

verbaltoxin: Slaxl: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

Judging from what I've read most of the systems that make people move about the city are completely broken. If that's true then surely you must have noticed something?

The only reason I haven't bought it is because it seems the simulation aspect is non-existant. I can live with DRM, as much as it irks me, but I can't live with a city building game that doesn't simulate aspects of standard, basic, city life. So I would be interested to know if anyone else has had no problems with it, and in fact thought it very well simulated.

This right here. A real Sim City would see your new roads and buildings held up because corrupt city councilmen want to give their friends favors, rather than get anything useful built for the city. And you'd face recall election threats from citizens b*tching about their taxes being raised.


No one cares for our woes.
 
2013-03-20 08:34:45 PM
EA annihilated almost all that was good about Scrabble on Facebook...
 
2013-03-20 09:16:22 PM

firefly212: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

It lacks the features and fun of SimCity predecessors... it's basically a facebook game, only without the facebook. I'm sure it's right for someone, but the lack of bulldozers to raise/lower terrain, the lack of subways and options like that, the dumbed-down AI, and the staggeringly small city maps that limit you to building East Davenport, IA (you can build it several times in the same region) are just too many factors to overcome. The initial server outages, and day 1 dlc, combined with EAs history of shuttering servers as soon as they release a follow up game, that's just icing on the cake.

The game is probably right for someone, but calling it SimCity is a gross misnomer.


Wow, that's really disappointing. I've been waiting for this game for years now.
 
2013-03-20 09:54:54 PM

StRalphTheLiar: dletter: Paypal/Ticketmaster winner I think wins that region... I think Ticketmaster has slightly more people who hate them, so, will take them


I have to go with Ticketmaster. See, nobody likes PayPal, but everybody hates Ticketmaster.




Doesn't PayPal have the ability to reach into your account, whenever they feel like?
 
2013-03-20 10:05:14 PM

Quinsisdos: While EA is basically the poster child for everything wrong with the games industry, there are far worse out there.

/Bobby Kotick feels pretty good right now, I imagine


Last year EA got hot at just the right time, SimCity has come out just at the right moment to try and push them higher but I don't think they have the momentum they did going into last year.   There are of course people who just decided to stop buying games from the unmitigated crap volcano that is EA who are doing so poorly that their CEO stepped down.
 
2013-03-20 10:53:38 PM

rikkitikkitavi: Though not a company, I think the suck trophy should go to the United States Congress.


This.
 
2013-03-20 11:37:28 PM

netgamer7k: Bank of America for being thieving little biatches.


Oh, you don't have over a grand in your savings? We'll charge you monthly for being so poor.


Yeah, I forgot about that too. I'd swear it's $300 for my savings account with them though. Not that I can ever manage to have that much in there when they assess it each month though.
 
2013-03-20 11:39:59 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Medic Zero:
Ideally we'd change to a credit union, but we live in an apartment with coin-op laundry. There's a BoA two doors down and no credit unions for miles, so we'll be sticking with BoA for several more years until I'm done with going back to school and get my new job making more pay.

This is exactly why they have customers.  So many branches and ATMs.  After the change, I never have cash on me and have to plan my stops to a bank.  Still worth it for me.


We don't have a car and I'm working full time and back in school, so the convenience is worth a hell of a lot right now. I don't really want to add a special trip to a credit union during their business hours to my schedule and then have to lug home $40 worth of quarters on my bicycle.

/ Give me convenience or give me death!
 
2013-03-20 11:57:31 PM

Hobodeluxe: my picks.
anyone sponsoring hate.
ie. Rush Limbaugh show
Chic fil A


Eh. Why not.  Ok, do explain how expressing one's opinion on the issues of the day, is "sponsoring hate", whatever that might mean.

We're listentng.
 
2013-03-21 12:28:18 AM
Omni Consumer Products.

See what they did in Detroit? Horrible stuff.
 
2013-03-21 12:53:49 AM

andychrist420: FedEx would be great if their drivers could read a map.  I've had 2 overnight packages returned to sender because their driver decided that my apartment didn't exist.  Didn't check with the office, just decided the address was wrong.  Protip: #47 is right between 46 and 48.

Called customer service, and got nothing but excuses.  The biatch on the phone even tried to tell me the address was invalid.  Funny, UPS has no problems finding it.


Hate to say this, but map-reading skills between the two are about even on average.  The trick is that which one knows their face from their ass depends on which region you're in.  I've lived in areas where Fedex knew where stuff was and UPS didn't, and vice versa.
,
Right now it's Fedex Air knows their shiat, UPS is 'average', and forget Fedex Ground, with who there is a 50% chance they'll run your package over with a forklift and deliver it three addresses down.  Heck, I had to pick up a package 6 blocks away once.  'Luckily' it was a work package and the warehouse they delivered it to was ours.  It was 'priority overnight' and they couldn't be bothered to READ THE ADDRESS?  It sat at the warehouse for a week until the senders called us up because we hadn't told them we got it and we managed to track it down by who signed for it.  USPS is slow but WILL get it there.
 
2013-03-21 02:51:23 AM

MindStalker: dletter: My picks by region:
Walmart
Comcast
EA/Verizon... I could see either "winning" that region, depends on if the angry gamers come out in force to put EA ahead
Paypal/Ticketmaster winner I think wins that region... I think Ticketmaster has slightly more people who hate them, so, will take them

Overall, I think Walmart will conquer all.

I never understood the hate for paypal. They aren't a bank, they don't have deposit insurance, but in general they've always tried to do the right thing. But when person X screws over person Y using paypal, paypal can't just throw money away and make it all better. All the accounts of paypal "locking funds" are temporary, and only last until paypal is sure that credit charges can't be reversed, leading paypal holding the bad.


Yeah I use them all the time and have never had a problem.  Ebay on the other hand..
 
2013-03-21 02:58:07 AM

Karac: You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Chic-Fil-A never told me the gays were bad nor did they ever discriminate against anyone based on sexual preference.

Sure about that, are you?


I don't know, they gave a couple of examples of anecdotal evidence and then their measure against other companies was based on customers perception, which I imagine went down after the gay thing, which I'm sure makes them a target for discrimination lawsuits that may not have merit.  A lot of the examples were just allegations at that point.  Every company has these types of lawsuits so it's hard to asses.  I'm not saying the allegation is wrong, just saying I wouldn't be so quick to make that judgement.  I don't really care, I eat there here and there and feel any boycott is counterproductive, gets the rednecks in an uproar.
 
2013-03-21 03:31:42 AM

Novart: firefly212: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

It lacks the features and fun of SimCity predecessors... it's basically a facebook game, only without the facebook. I'm sure it's right for someone, but the lack of bulldozers to raise/lower terrain, the lack of subways and options like that, the dumbed-down AI, and the staggeringly small city maps that limit you to building East Davenport, IA (you can build it several times in the same region) are just too many factors to overcome. The initial server outages, and day 1 dlc, combined with EAs history of shuttering servers as soon as they release a follow up game, that's just icing on the cake.

The game is probably right for someone, but calling it SimCity is a gross misnomer.

Wow, that's really disappointing. I've been waiting for this game for years now.


Me too. I had even pre-ordered it. I didn't bother to pick it up after playing it at a friend's apartment. I was disgusted.
 
2013-03-21 08:51:35 AM

MindStalker: Sim Tree: MindStalker: I never understood the hate for paypal. They aren't a bank, they don't have deposit insurance, but in general they've always tried to do the right thing. But when person X screws over person Y using paypal, paypal can't just throw money away and make it all better. All the accounts of paypal "locking funds" are temporary, and only last until paypal is sure that credit charges can't be reversed, leading paypal holding the bad.

1. Paypal had a nasty habit of using "six degrees of Kevin Bacon" when responding to bad charges. So if someone bought a widget off you for $1.00, and THEY sold something on ebay for $20, and the person who bought THAT stole a credit card to make that bid; payPal would lock all three of your accounts and pilfer all of the money inside of all of them to make themselves whole from the third theft. So if you had $600.00 in your account, the whole $600 would be gone because you legitimately sold a $1 widget.

2. Not to mention if an account ever had more than 5k in it, they would lock the account for at least two years, possibly forever, as 'obviously money laundering', and keep the money for themselves. They borked pennyArcade and somethingAwful.com's Hurricane releif, and Minecraft's Notch this way to the tune of over 20k a pop, merely for the crime of having "too much money" in the account. (They did finally let Notch go, although this may have more to do with the Nordic banking laws than any activity on payPal's part)

This led to a lot of really bad feeling when someone would be collecting money from multiple people kickstarter-style for a central purpose (charity, a major project, a group/class trip) and paypal would steal the money inside the account under cause 1 or cause 2, leaving the account-holder holding the bag for dozens, if not hundreds of screaming clients, demanding product and/or their money back and being unable to provide either, because payPal had all the money. And payPal was not a bank and needs to pr ...


And somehow this is okay with you?
 
2013-03-21 09:04:26 AM
BofA - all the way... still healing from the double-teaming clusterfark on my mortgage they attempted.
AT&T - for basically never giving a shiat and having the worst customer service in the world.
PayPal/eBay - for deciding sellers are people to poop on and "all your money are belong to us"
TimeWarner - for having their heads up their ass and being completely uncoordinated.
 
2013-03-21 09:38:30 AM

thetubameister: MindStalker: Sim Tree: MindStalker:


And somehow this is okay with you?

Of course not, but i can find no indication that any of this is true, I've seen no evidence that paypal has ever stole money.
 
2013-03-21 02:15:34 PM

CWeinerWV: MindStalker: dletter: My picks by region:
Walmart
Comcast
EA/Verizon... I could see either "winning" that region, depends on if the angry gamers come out in force to put EA ahead
Paypal/Ticketmaster winner I think wins that region... I think Ticketmaster has slightly more people who hate them, so, will take them

Overall, I think Walmart will conquer all.

I never understood the hate for paypal. They aren't a bank, they don't have deposit insurance, but in general they've always tried to do the right thing. But when person X screws over person Y using paypal, paypal can't just throw money away and make it all better. All the accounts of paypal "locking funds" are temporary, and only last until paypal is sure that credit charges can't be reversed, leading paypal holding the bad.

Yeah I use them all the time and have never had a problem.  Ebay on the other hand..


You do realize Ebay owns Paypal right?
 
2013-03-21 02:17:21 PM
Just think.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-21 08:55:21 PM

dletter: CWeinerWV: MindStalker: dletter: My picks by region:
Walmart
Comcast
EA/Verizon... I could see either "winning" that region, depends on if the angry gamers come out in force to put EA ahead
Paypal/Ticketmaster winner I think wins that region... I think Ticketmaster has slightly more people who hate them, so, will take them

Overall, I think Walmart will conquer all.

I never understood the hate for paypal. They aren't a bank, they don't have deposit insurance, but in general they've always tried to do the right thing. But when person X screws over person Y using paypal, paypal can't just throw money away and make it all better. All the accounts of paypal "locking funds" are temporary, and only last until paypal is sure that credit charges can't be reversed, leading paypal holding the bad.

Yeah I use them all the time and have never had a problem.  Ebay on the other hand..

You do realize Ebay owns Paypal right?


Yes, I do.  Disney owns ESPN, doesn't mean they operate the same way.
 
2013-03-21 09:15:57 PM
Well, my final four picks on this are Facebook, Equifax, FedEx, and Wells Fargo.  Strangely, I'm surprised to see Wells Fargo strike out this early, so I'm going to sub out Wells Fargo with Bank of America (which ought to be Bank of Some of America after they just sold all their central plains branches to Arvest, something that both Arvest and BofA customers here were glad to see happen).

In Facebook versus Equifax, it's going to be a squeaker but I think Equifax might just barely edge out Facebook.  In BofA versus FedEx, again, tight bracket, but B of A will probably G to H.  FedEx versus Equifax, I'm expecting Equifax to take it.
 
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