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(The Consumerist)   Will EA remain reigning champ with its botched release of SimCity? Will Bank of America finally be able to seize the trophy? Will people remember that Carnival literally crapped on its customers? It's your annual Worst Company in America contest   (consumerist.com) divider line 189
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2013-03-20 04:56:53 PM
EA will win because the internet has a 3 second memory. If a company accidentally nuked a major city last year, EA would still win. :P
 
2013-03-20 05:05:39 PM

firefly212: inner ted: RTOGUY: firefly212: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

It lacks the features and fun of SimCity predecessors... it's basically a facebook game, only without the facebook. I'm sure it's right for someone, but the lack of bulldozers to raise/lower terrain, the lack of subways and options like that, the dumbed-down AI, and the staggeringly small city maps that limit you to building East Davenport, IA (you can build it several times in the same region) are just too many factors to overcome. The initial server outages, and day 1 dlc, combined with EAs history of shuttering servers as soon as they release a follow up game, that's just icing on the cake.

The game is probably right for someone, but calling it SimCity is a gross misnomer.

That's my feeling as well. The lack of subways especially hurts because the maps are so small and traffic congestion can become a major game breaker. No power lines, no pipes, no ordinances, no prisons or military bases there are no real decisions at all for you to make except where to drop zones and roads. once the novelty wears off of the beatiful graphics and fun music it is an incredibly hollow Simcity experience.

i posted in another thread, but what the heck

since the new SimCity is a turd, i'm looking at playing an older game.  i've seen folks here talk about
Caesar III & Civilization 5

and i'm curious if anybody can point me to one of the two as "better"

also:  are  Caesar III & Civilization 5  like Halo Wars?  strategy game that is just a match, not ongoing like SimCity?

cheers

I really love civ 5, and there are tons of great mods out for it.


thanks!!

i think i have it narrowed between Civ 5  &  SimCity 4

 i'm super new to pc gaming (console 4 life) and will be trying the Steam website to play these - but i'm curious - what is so special about STEAM vs. just buying a copy on Amazon and actually having a hard copy??

also: the world of mods.  this is totally foreign to me - is it like DLC ? or is it like a Deluxe Edition? or are they 'hacks' that add things but crash the computer?

thanks again
 
2013-03-20 05:08:03 PM

Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...


You're missing the point. They said you had to be online all the time because they are running extra simulation your computer can't run. In reality there is no simulation going on. They lied. People go to the nearest available job and then go to the nearest available home. SOCIALISM! WHAARGAAARBLE! Pathfinding for car and Sims is horrible. Modders have shown you can play offline just fine and a person that worked for Maxis said they could have easily made an offline mode. The whole reason they lock you into being online all the time is to you have to register with them and Origin to play. Want to sell your disc? Sorry, this serial has already been activated on another account. Please purchase a new serial at full price. Also, in a couple years they are going to turn the servers off and you are left with a coaster. They released an unfinished game. They're up to patch 1.7 and have only just fixed some of the pathfinding. By version 14.7 they should have a finished game just in time for the servers to be shut off.
 
2013-03-20 05:17:57 PM

Karac: fireclown: Peepeye: I don't know ... Wells Fargo could probably give them a run for their money.
My previous bank, Wachovia, was bought out by WF. I got at least one new charge or fee on my account every month for the next sixth months.
$20 overdraft protection fee - I haven't used it in the 15 years I had the account. Not once, even in high school.
$25 student account fee - because apparently they thought I was in the 30th grade of high school.
$10 fee for sending me new checks I never requested that now say WF on them.
$30 low balance / low use fee which they automatically charged everyone on the 1st of the month, but would refund at the end of the month if it didn't apply.

Great googley ,moogley.    I have two words:  Credit.  Union.

That's what Navy Federal is, and that's where all my money is now.  I had the account with a local bank because at one time my boss didn't offer direct deposit and the nearest NFCU branch or ATM was a two hour drive away.  I had set up the Navy Fed account because I was in the reserves and would face the reverse problem when I was activated / deployed / on my two weeks a year - the nearest Wachovia branch might be two continents away.

Well for that reason and because my drill instructors said that while they weren't allowed to tell us to set up an account with NFCU, they were allowed to tell us that we would physically regret - and quite soon -  not doing so.


I live in Chicago, so my closest NFCU branch is God knows where, but it's never been a problem since I can scan deposits and get money from 7/11 ATMs with no charge. I switched a couple of years ago from Chase and never looked back.
 
2013-03-20 05:28:33 PM
fark EA in the ear.

/And anything they touch.
 
2013-03-20 05:34:02 PM
inner ted:
1) i'm super new to pc gaming (console 4 life) and will be trying the Steam website to play these - but i'm curious - what is so special about STEAM vs. just buying a copy on Amazon and actually having a hard copy??

2) also: the world of mods.  this is totally foreign to me - is it like DLC ? or is it like a Deluxe Edition? or are they 'hacks' that add things but crash the computer?


1) With Steam, you can never, ever lose your copy, and you don't need to do any disc management.  You can install it on any computer, and it will always work(ish.  Games written for Windows 98 are (and should be) iffy on Windows 7).  I've actually bought games with discs, and then gone back later and bought them on Steam just for the convenience factor (though I've averaged 1 move every 4-6 months for the last 4 years).

2) Mods are hacks.  Some mods are awesome, and add significant features.  Some mods suck and crash your computer.

For example, if you get Sim City, install the Network Addon Mod (NAM) because otherwise, traffic is broken.   It'll occasionally crash, but no more than the actual game (Hint: Turn it down to 1 core, and don't run it in 1080p or larger because that will corrupt your region map.  1079p is fine, 1080p sucks.  These are all ingame problems.  )
 
2013-03-20 05:34:58 PM
Final Four
Facebook - too many privacy policy changes and constantly changing things to screw over their app developers
JcP - failed turnaround, failed company
Time Warner - fairly weak bracket and I've been much happier with their internet recently, TV/DVR service and billing is total bs though.
winner of Ticketmaster vs Equifax - two companies that exist only to screw you.  At least at the end of the day you get an overpriced ticket through ticketmaster.
 
2013-03-20 05:40:08 PM
Comcast
Viacom
General Electric
Conde Nast
 
2013-03-20 05:41:29 PM

meyerkev: inner ted:
1) i'm super new to pc gaming (console 4 life) and will be trying the Steam website to play these - but i'm curious - what is so special about STEAM vs. just buying a copy on Amazon and actually having a hard copy??

2) also: the world of mods.  this is totally foreign to me - is it like DLC ? or is it like a Deluxe Edition? or are they 'hacks' that add things but crash the computer?

1) With Steam, you can never, ever lose your copy, and you don't need to do any disc management.  You can install it on any computer, and it will always work(ish.  Games written for Windows 98 are (and should be) iffy on Windows 7).  I've actually bought games with discs, and then gone back later and bought them on Steam just for the convenience factor (though I've averaged 1 move every 4-6 months for the last 4 years).

2) Mods are hacks.  Some mods are awesome, and add significant features.  Some mods suck and crash your computer.

For example, if you get Sim City, install the Network Addon Mod (NAM) because otherwise, traffic is broken.   It'll occasionally crash, but no more than the actual game (Hint: Turn it down to 1 core, and don't run it in 1080p or larger because that will corrupt your region map.  1079p is fine, 1080p sucks.  These are all ingame problems.  )


and a great big 'gracias' to you as well - i admit, i am terrible with computers, so the idea of mods is ... daunting, but that's what the wifey-poo is for, she's good with teh computerz
 
2013-03-20 05:54:12 PM

firefly212: inner ted: RTOGUY: firefly212: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

It lacks the features and fun of SimCity predecessors... it's basically a facebook game, only without the facebook. I'm sure it's right for someone, but the lack of bulldozers to raise/lower terrain, the lack of subways and options like that, the dumbed-down AI, and the staggeringly small city maps that limit you to building East Davenport, IA (you can build it several times in the same region) are just too many factors to overcome. The initial server outages, and day 1 dlc, combined with EAs history of shuttering servers as soon as they release a follow up game, that's just icing on the cake.

The game is probably right for someone, but calling it SimCity is a gross misnomer.

That's my feeling as well. The lack of subways especially hurts because the maps are so small and traffic congestion can become a major game breaker. No power lines, no pipes, no ordinances, no prisons or military bases there are no real decisions at all for you to make except where to drop zones and roads. once the novelty wears off of the beatiful graphics and fun music it is an incredibly hollow Simcity experience.

i posted in another thread, but what the heck

since the new SimCity is a turd, i'm looking at playing an older game.  i've seen folks here talk about
Caesar III & Civilization 5

and i'm curious if anybody can point me to one of the two as "better"

also:  are  Caesar III & Civilization 5  like Halo Wars?  strategy game that is just a match, not ongoing like SimCity?

cheers

I really love civ 5, and there are tons of great mods out for it.


now a buddy is talking about  Medieval 2: total war

it also looks badass

too many choices
too little time
 
2013-03-20 05:59:51 PM
wildcardjack: But it's not my choice which one carries my product, it's always about time and money as calculated by the elves.

I thought gnomes did the calculating, and elves got tipsy and piddled their trickster grease into the gears.
 
2013-03-20 06:35:17 PM

DSF6969: My bracket has AT&T and BOA in the final.  In spite of what all the others have done, nothing compares to the sheer scope of consumer screwing these 2 companies have accomplished.


That pretty much sums it up for me too. Altho I can't biatch about BoA's incompetence too much; they administer a sponsored credit card from a brokerage which later discontinued the sponsorship on it. BoA maintained the card and never changed the rate I got, which is oh, about 5% annual. No way I'm putting that one down to beneficence.
 
2013-03-20 06:39:25 PM

inner ted: meyerkev: inner ted:
1) i'm super new to pc gaming (console 4 life) and will be trying the Steam website to play these - but i'm curious - what is so special about STEAM vs. just buying a copy on Amazon and actually having a hard copy??

2) also: the world of mods.  this is totally foreign to me - is it like DLC ? or is it like a Deluxe Edition? or are they 'hacks' that add things but crash the computer?

1) With Steam, you can never, ever lose your copy, and you don't need to do any disc management.  You can install it on any computer, and it will always work(ish.  Games written for Windows 98 are (and should be) iffy on Windows 7).  I've actually bought games with discs, and then gone back later and bought them on Steam just for the convenience factor (though I've averaged 1 move every 4-6 months for the last 4 years).

2) Mods are hacks.  Some mods are awesome, and add significant features.  Some mods suck and crash your computer.

For example, if you get Sim City, install the Network Addon Mod (NAM) because otherwise, traffic is broken.   It'll occasionally crash, but no more than the actual game (Hint: Turn it down to 1 core, and don't run it in 1080p or larger because that will corrupt your region map.  1079p is fine, 1080p sucks.  These are all ingame problems.  )

and a great big 'gracias' to you as well - i admit, i am terrible with computers, so the idea of mods is ... daunting, but that's what the wifey-poo is for, she's good with teh computerz


And for games where mods are more or less mandatory (See: Any Bethesda game ever), some people who are much, much better than us have gone in and written mod managers.  So for Skyrim, it's a matter of:

1) Install Skyrim
2) Go to the site and download the Nexus mod manager (You will need a free account for this).
3) Pick your mods of choice and click on the "download through NMM" link.
4) Use the Mod manager to install and uninstall mods like magic.  There are a couple you'll need to do some manual stuff but not much.

/Among other things, for F:NV there's a mod for making Freeside and the Strip be single entities instead of divided like the were forced to be by consoles.  That's a required mod.
 
2013-03-20 06:47:15 PM

LeroyBourne: I wonder why Amazon isn't on that list. I've read they treat their warehouse workers like dirt.
/i guess i don't know if it is technically a company.


Yes, Amazon is a company.  Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN).

I've been an Amazon warehouse worker, and indeed, they are treated like dirt, or worse.

However, I think they may be trying to get out on a technicality.  At least when I worked there, the vast bulk of the warehouse workers were hired through temp services, so you'd work for some staffing firm (on paper at least) instead of Amazon.
 
2013-03-20 07:00:42 PM

Sim Tree: MindStalker: I never understood the hate for paypal. They aren't a bank, they don't have deposit insurance, but in general they've always tried to do the right thing. But when person X screws over person Y using paypal, paypal can't just throw money away and make it all better. All the accounts of paypal "locking funds" are temporary, and only last until paypal is sure that credit charges can't be reversed, leading paypal holding the bad.

1. Paypal had a nasty habit of using "six degrees of Kevin Bacon" when responding to bad charges. So if someone bought a widget off you for $1.00, and THEY sold something on ebay for $20, and the person who bought THAT stole a credit card to make that bid; payPal would lock all three of your accounts and pilfer all of the money inside of all of them to make themselves whole from the third theft. So if you had $600.00 in your account, the whole $600 would be gone because you legitimately sold a $1 widget.

2. Not to mention if an account ever had more than 5k in it, they would lock the account for at least two years, possibly forever, as 'obviously money laundering', and keep the money for themselves. They borked pennyArcade and somethingAwful.com's Hurricane releif, and Minecraft's Notch this way to the tune of over 20k a pop, merely for the crime of having "too much money" in the account. (They did finally let Notch go, although this may have more to do with the Nordic banking laws than any activity on payPal's part)

This led to a lot of really bad feeling when someone would be collecting money from multiple people kickstarter-style for a central purpose (charity, a major project, a group/class trip) and paypal would steal the money inside the account under cause 1 or cause 2, leaving the account-holder holding the bag for dozens, if not hundreds of screaming clients, demanding product and/or their money back and being unable to provide either, because payPal had all the money. And payPal was not a bank and needs to provide abso ...


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2013-03-20 07:08:24 PM

Electromax: I end up doing some consulting work for major ag interests on the multinational level, and if nerds on the Consumerist are ready to vote EA the worst company in America because of a farking video game launch, they really are sheltered and out of touch. I get whispers of some really sinister shiat happening overseas from those companies and I imagine those are far worse.

But oh noes, my $60 video game didn't work right! Get a grip on reality and lose the entitlement. Some companies are, y'know, actually doing evil stuff.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2013-03-20 07:11:47 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Medic Zero: Ah, I was wondering where the BofA hate was coming from. I bounced my account recently and they don't do the multiple charges for going over anymore, but I think that is thanks to probably the ONLY good thing congress has accomplished in decades. My girlfriend works with BoA verifying customer accounts with them and has nothing but good things to say about dealing with their reps - always professional and helpful unlike all the other banks she deals with.

Chase on the other hand, I've heard HORRIBLE things about from lots of different sources...

I had an account with BoA - I had a specific overdraft protection plan where I never get charged for bouncing a check, the balance comes out of my line of credit.  So I mistakenly transferred too much from my checking to my savings and I overdrafted a check.  Except 3 weeks later, within that very same period, Bank of America sent me my statement ALONG WITH a change to their terms.  The changes included dropping my overdraft protection plan and they charged me a $35 bounce fee.
I don't care what changes Congress may or may not have made - if they need laws to tell them how to properly treat a customer, they don't deserve customers.

My big Comcast story (tl;dr) ends with the girl behind the counter having a black eye, and everyone of us in line saying "as a person she didn't deserve it, but as an agent of Comcast, she did."


The Comcast girl was a worker bee. Never blame Level 1 support for decisions they have no control over.

Bank of America let you get off easy.
 
2013-03-20 07:40:05 PM
Will this headline format make me claw somebody's eyes out?
 
2013-03-20 08:26:56 PM

verbaltoxin: Slaxl: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

Judging from what I've read most of the systems that make people move about the city are completely broken. If that's true then surely you must have noticed something?

The only reason I haven't bought it is because it seems the simulation aspect is non-existant. I can live with DRM, as much as it irks me, but I can't live with a city building game that doesn't simulate aspects of standard, basic, city life. So I would be interested to know if anyone else has had no problems with it, and in fact thought it very well simulated.

This right here. A real Sim City would see your new roads and buildings held up because corrupt city councilmen want to give their friends favors, rather than get anything useful built for the city. And you'd face recall election threats from citizens b*tching about their taxes being raised.


No one cares for our woes.
 
2013-03-20 08:34:45 PM
EA annihilated almost all that was good about Scrabble on Facebook...
 
2013-03-20 09:16:22 PM

firefly212: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

It lacks the features and fun of SimCity predecessors... it's basically a facebook game, only without the facebook. I'm sure it's right for someone, but the lack of bulldozers to raise/lower terrain, the lack of subways and options like that, the dumbed-down AI, and the staggeringly small city maps that limit you to building East Davenport, IA (you can build it several times in the same region) are just too many factors to overcome. The initial server outages, and day 1 dlc, combined with EAs history of shuttering servers as soon as they release a follow up game, that's just icing on the cake.

The game is probably right for someone, but calling it SimCity is a gross misnomer.


Wow, that's really disappointing. I've been waiting for this game for years now.
 
2013-03-20 09:54:54 PM

StRalphTheLiar: dletter: Paypal/Ticketmaster winner I think wins that region... I think Ticketmaster has slightly more people who hate them, so, will take them


I have to go with Ticketmaster. See, nobody likes PayPal, but everybody hates Ticketmaster.




Doesn't PayPal have the ability to reach into your account, whenever they feel like?
 
2013-03-20 10:05:14 PM

Quinsisdos: While EA is basically the poster child for everything wrong with the games industry, there are far worse out there.

/Bobby Kotick feels pretty good right now, I imagine


Last year EA got hot at just the right time, SimCity has come out just at the right moment to try and push them higher but I don't think they have the momentum they did going into last year.   There are of course people who just decided to stop buying games from the unmitigated crap volcano that is EA who are doing so poorly that their CEO stepped down.
 
2013-03-20 10:53:38 PM

rikkitikkitavi: Though not a company, I think the suck trophy should go to the United States Congress.


This.
 
2013-03-20 11:37:28 PM

netgamer7k: Bank of America for being thieving little biatches.


Oh, you don't have over a grand in your savings? We'll charge you monthly for being so poor.


Yeah, I forgot about that too. I'd swear it's $300 for my savings account with them though. Not that I can ever manage to have that much in there when they assess it each month though.
 
2013-03-20 11:39:59 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Medic Zero:
Ideally we'd change to a credit union, but we live in an apartment with coin-op laundry. There's a BoA two doors down and no credit unions for miles, so we'll be sticking with BoA for several more years until I'm done with going back to school and get my new job making more pay.

This is exactly why they have customers.  So many branches and ATMs.  After the change, I never have cash on me and have to plan my stops to a bank.  Still worth it for me.


We don't have a car and I'm working full time and back in school, so the convenience is worth a hell of a lot right now. I don't really want to add a special trip to a credit union during their business hours to my schedule and then have to lug home $40 worth of quarters on my bicycle.

/ Give me convenience or give me death!
 
2013-03-20 11:57:31 PM

Hobodeluxe: my picks.
anyone sponsoring hate.
ie. Rush Limbaugh show
Chic fil A


Eh. Why not.  Ok, do explain how expressing one's opinion on the issues of the day, is "sponsoring hate", whatever that might mean.

We're listentng.
 
2013-03-21 12:28:18 AM
Omni Consumer Products.

See what they did in Detroit? Horrible stuff.
 
2013-03-21 12:53:49 AM

andychrist420: FedEx would be great if their drivers could read a map.  I've had 2 overnight packages returned to sender because their driver decided that my apartment didn't exist.  Didn't check with the office, just decided the address was wrong.  Protip: #47 is right between 46 and 48.

Called customer service, and got nothing but excuses.  The biatch on the phone even tried to tell me the address was invalid.  Funny, UPS has no problems finding it.


Hate to say this, but map-reading skills between the two are about even on average.  The trick is that which one knows their face from their ass depends on which region you're in.  I've lived in areas where Fedex knew where stuff was and UPS didn't, and vice versa.
,
Right now it's Fedex Air knows their shiat, UPS is 'average', and forget Fedex Ground, with who there is a 50% chance they'll run your package over with a forklift and deliver it three addresses down.  Heck, I had to pick up a package 6 blocks away once.  'Luckily' it was a work package and the warehouse they delivered it to was ours.  It was 'priority overnight' and they couldn't be bothered to READ THE ADDRESS?  It sat at the warehouse for a week until the senders called us up because we hadn't told them we got it and we managed to track it down by who signed for it.  USPS is slow but WILL get it there.
 
2013-03-21 02:51:23 AM

MindStalker: dletter: My picks by region:
Walmart
Comcast
EA/Verizon... I could see either "winning" that region, depends on if the angry gamers come out in force to put EA ahead
Paypal/Ticketmaster winner I think wins that region... I think Ticketmaster has slightly more people who hate them, so, will take them

Overall, I think Walmart will conquer all.

I never understood the hate for paypal. They aren't a bank, they don't have deposit insurance, but in general they've always tried to do the right thing. But when person X screws over person Y using paypal, paypal can't just throw money away and make it all better. All the accounts of paypal "locking funds" are temporary, and only last until paypal is sure that credit charges can't be reversed, leading paypal holding the bad.


Yeah I use them all the time and have never had a problem.  Ebay on the other hand..
 
2013-03-21 02:58:07 AM

Karac: You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Chic-Fil-A never told me the gays were bad nor did they ever discriminate against anyone based on sexual preference.

Sure about that, are you?


I don't know, they gave a couple of examples of anecdotal evidence and then their measure against other companies was based on customers perception, which I imagine went down after the gay thing, which I'm sure makes them a target for discrimination lawsuits that may not have merit.  A lot of the examples were just allegations at that point.  Every company has these types of lawsuits so it's hard to asses.  I'm not saying the allegation is wrong, just saying I wouldn't be so quick to make that judgement.  I don't really care, I eat there here and there and feel any boycott is counterproductive, gets the rednecks in an uproar.
 
2013-03-21 03:31:42 AM

Novart: firefly212: gunga galunga: Elzar: Jesus there are a bunch of farking whiners about Sim City. I've played Sim City since a couple days after launch and no issues for me. Of course I am rather casual, but still...

I love the SimCity series but held off on this latest one after the bad press. How does it measure up to the others in the series?

It lacks the features and fun of SimCity predecessors... it's basically a facebook game, only without the facebook. I'm sure it's right for someone, but the lack of bulldozers to raise/lower terrain, the lack of subways and options like that, the dumbed-down AI, and the staggeringly small city maps that limit you to building East Davenport, IA (you can build it several times in the same region) are just too many factors to overcome. The initial server outages, and day 1 dlc, combined with EAs history of shuttering servers as soon as they release a follow up game, that's just icing on the cake.

The game is probably right for someone, but calling it SimCity is a gross misnomer.

Wow, that's really disappointing. I've been waiting for this game for years now.


Me too. I had even pre-ordered it. I didn't bother to pick it up after playing it at a friend's apartment. I was disgusted.
 
2013-03-21 08:51:35 AM

MindStalker: Sim Tree: MindStalker: I never understood the hate for paypal. They aren't a bank, they don't have deposit insurance, but in general they've always tried to do the right thing. But when person X screws over person Y using paypal, paypal can't just throw money away and make it all better. All the accounts of paypal "locking funds" are temporary, and only last until paypal is sure that credit charges can't be reversed, leading paypal holding the bad.

1. Paypal had a nasty habit of using "six degrees of Kevin Bacon" when responding to bad charges. So if someone bought a widget off you for $1.00, and THEY sold something on ebay for $20, and the person who bought THAT stole a credit card to make that bid; payPal would lock all three of your accounts and pilfer all of the money inside of all of them to make themselves whole from the third theft. So if you had $600.00 in your account, the whole $600 would be gone because you legitimately sold a $1 widget.

2. Not to mention if an account ever had more than 5k in it, they would lock the account for at least two years, possibly forever, as 'obviously money laundering', and keep the money for themselves. They borked pennyArcade and somethingAwful.com's Hurricane releif, and Minecraft's Notch this way to the tune of over 20k a pop, merely for the crime of having "too much money" in the account. (They did finally let Notch go, although this may have more to do with the Nordic banking laws than any activity on payPal's part)

This led to a lot of really bad feeling when someone would be collecting money from multiple people kickstarter-style for a central purpose (charity, a major project, a group/class trip) and paypal would steal the money inside the account under cause 1 or cause 2, leaving the account-holder holding the bag for dozens, if not hundreds of screaming clients, demanding product and/or their money back and being unable to provide either, because payPal had all the money. And payPal was not a bank and needs to pr ...


And somehow this is okay with you?
 
2013-03-21 09:04:26 AM
BofA - all the way... still healing from the double-teaming clusterfark on my mortgage they attempted.
AT&T - for basically never giving a shiat and having the worst customer service in the world.
PayPal/eBay - for deciding sellers are people to poop on and "all your money are belong to us"
TimeWarner - for having their heads up their ass and being completely uncoordinated.
 
2013-03-21 09:38:30 AM

thetubameister: MindStalker: Sim Tree: MindStalker:


And somehow this is okay with you?

Of course not, but i can find no indication that any of this is true, I've seen no evidence that paypal has ever stole money.
 
2013-03-21 02:15:34 PM

CWeinerWV: MindStalker: dletter: My picks by region:
Walmart
Comcast
EA/Verizon... I could see either "winning" that region, depends on if the angry gamers come out in force to put EA ahead
Paypal/Ticketmaster winner I think wins that region... I think Ticketmaster has slightly more people who hate them, so, will take them

Overall, I think Walmart will conquer all.

I never understood the hate for paypal. They aren't a bank, they don't have deposit insurance, but in general they've always tried to do the right thing. But when person X screws over person Y using paypal, paypal can't just throw money away and make it all better. All the accounts of paypal "locking funds" are temporary, and only last until paypal is sure that credit charges can't be reversed, leading paypal holding the bad.

Yeah I use them all the time and have never had a problem.  Ebay on the other hand..


You do realize Ebay owns Paypal right?
 
2013-03-21 02:17:21 PM
Just think.

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2013-03-21 08:55:21 PM

dletter: CWeinerWV: MindStalker: dletter: My picks by region:
Walmart
Comcast
EA/Verizon... I could see either "winning" that region, depends on if the angry gamers come out in force to put EA ahead
Paypal/Ticketmaster winner I think wins that region... I think Ticketmaster has slightly more people who hate them, so, will take them

Overall, I think Walmart will conquer all.

I never understood the hate for paypal. They aren't a bank, they don't have deposit insurance, but in general they've always tried to do the right thing. But when person X screws over person Y using paypal, paypal can't just throw money away and make it all better. All the accounts of paypal "locking funds" are temporary, and only last until paypal is sure that credit charges can't be reversed, leading paypal holding the bad.

Yeah I use them all the time and have never had a problem.  Ebay on the other hand..

You do realize Ebay owns Paypal right?


Yes, I do.  Disney owns ESPN, doesn't mean they operate the same way.
 
2013-03-21 09:15:57 PM
Well, my final four picks on this are Facebook, Equifax, FedEx, and Wells Fargo.  Strangely, I'm surprised to see Wells Fargo strike out this early, so I'm going to sub out Wells Fargo with Bank of America (which ought to be Bank of Some of America after they just sold all their central plains branches to Arvest, something that both Arvest and BofA customers here were glad to see happen).

In Facebook versus Equifax, it's going to be a squeaker but I think Equifax might just barely edge out Facebook.  In BofA versus FedEx, again, tight bracket, but B of A will probably G to H.  FedEx versus Equifax, I'm expecting Equifax to take it.
 
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