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(State Journal)   Exotic dancer in West Virginia files suit over payment system. In related news: They have 'Exotic Dancers' in West Virginia   (statejournal.com ) divider line
    More: Interesting, West Virginia, payment system, Berkeley County, Fair Labor Standards Act, independent contractors, right of ways, Krystal McLaughlin  
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2013-03-20 03:33:58 PM  

Mateorocks: It's about two hours to get to a West Virginia border from DC.

I will accept that Baltimore, not DC, could be considered a main metro hub for some residents of West Virginia. I've never been there, but I'm guessing that folks in Morgantown would consider Pittsburgh to be their main metro hub.

If I'm wrong, and there are thousands and thousands of folks living in WV walking around wearing RGIII jerseys or Nats hats, please forgive my ignorance.


Perhaps I'm just being pedantic but Jefferson County (Harpers Ferry, Charles Town, Shepardstown) is formally defined as part of the Washington MSA. Depending on traffic that's an easy hour & 15 minute drive from DC. Morgantown is closer to Pittsburgh, sure, but WV is a big state.
 
2013-03-20 03:57:25 PM  

QueenMamaBee: I've been to a couple of WV strip clubs, and there was some scary shiat in there. Those are some broad broads


Oh, you must be talking about the place out used saint Albans, in "the badlands."
 
2013-03-20 04:10:56 PM  

Mateorocks: Grestep: Mateorocks: 1. West Virginia is not considered a part of the DC Metro area.

Actually, the far-east part of the eastern panhandle is.

It's about two hours to get to a West Virginia border from DC.

I will accept that Baltimore, not DC, could be considered a main metro hub for some residents of West Virginia. I've never been there, but I'm guessing that folks in Morgantown would consider Pittsburgh to be their main metro hub.

If I'm wrong, and there are thousands and thousands of folks living in WV walking around wearing RGIII jerseys or Nats hats, please forgive my ignorance.


Charles Town, Shepeherstown and Martinsburg are all commuter towns for the DC Metro area.
 
2013-03-20 04:11:40 PM  

yequalsy: Mateorocks: It's about two hours to get to a West Virginia border from DC.

I will accept that Baltimore, not DC, could be considered a main metro hub for some residents of West Virginia. I've never been there, but I'm guessing that folks in Morgantown would consider Pittsburgh to be their main metro hub.

If I'm wrong, and there are thousands and thousands of folks living in WV walking around wearing RGIII jerseys or Nats hats, please forgive my ignorance.

Perhaps I'm just being pedantic but Jefferson County (Harpers Ferry, Charles Town, Shepardstown) is formally defined as part of the Washington MSA. Depending on traffic that's an easy hour & 15 minute drive from DC. Morgantown is closer to Pittsburgh, sure, but WV is a big state.


Yeah I knew a ton of people at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing and the Capitol building that were commuting from WV daily, even met a few guys coming from PA.
 
2013-03-20 04:13:23 PM  
Barboursville has a fun one that used to be a Ponderosa restaurant. You could totally get jacked off near where the sundae machine used to be
 
2013-03-20 04:15:09 PM  

brap: Mmmmmmmm, see-through clogs.


I would happily pay a cover charge for exotic clog dancing.
 
2013-03-20 04:30:24 PM  

phaseolus: Ask this guy

[www.theage.com.au image 200x275]

...about exotic dancers in WV


Show me the money

Okay, let's open this here briefcase ....

(thud)
 
2013-03-20 05:44:01 PM  
Lady G's FTW.
 
2013-03-20 07:02:07 PM  

mightybaldking: Let's discuss the merits of the case.  When is someone an independent contractor and when are they an employee?
Key factors include:

Who has to actually perform the work?
An I.C. merely has to guarantee that the work is performed to an agreed upon standard.  An IC can sub-contract the work if they wish.
An employee is required do do the work him/her self.
So, can the stripper in question send her room-mate to cover a shift?

Who sets the hours and location?
An I.C. can come and go as they please, within reasonable constraints.  A construction worker can show up as early as the site opens, or as late as it closes.  When there are multiple trades involved, there may be scheduling issues with access to the site, and other dependencies (The painter can't go in before the drywaller), but generally, as long as the work is progressing at an agreed upon pace, you can set your own hours.

An employee is required to start at a set time, and leave at a set time.

Now Consider:  (ftfa)  a $15 penalty if they arrived late for work and a $100 penalty if they did not come to work without calling in advance.

Does this sound like an independent contractor?


Another caveat is an independent contractor MUST be available to work for other businesses in the same line of work. If the club has a rule that they can't work elsewhere, or the hours required don't allow other employment, they are not independent contractors.
I worked for 2 years as an independent contractor and the company was forced to hire me as an employee for that reason.

When an adult film star goes on tour to strip clubs, they are working as independent contractors.
 
2013-03-20 08:12:05 PM  

abfab: I'm curious as to which of our (and this is the deal nationwide) representatives make sure this scam continues to operate. It's so clear that strippers are NOT independent contractors, that it makes you wonder who is getting paid and how much to make sure the labor department never cracks down. Sounds like a good investigative journalist could unearth some real corruption here.


Dept. of Labor and local wage/hour boards respond to complaints; they don't have agents out on street patrol.
 
2013-03-20 08:28:40 PM  
Parkersburg  WV is awesome! For Ohioans, it's kind of like going to Tijuana for Californians. Best strip club experience ever down there was last year when I went for a friend's bachellor party. On the same night we had a fully nude stripper-fight between two "dancers" (one of which was named Pokey, and the other Gumby I kid you not!), the headliner was a 2' tall stripper who goes by Sassy Cassee. It was amazing to witness, in a sort of Salvador Dali-esque kind of way. I really thought it was a hidden camera TV Reality show until Sassy Cassee got undressed and I realized the whole thing was real.

West Virginia is the one place on earth that makes Ohio look civilized, and that makes their strip clubs magic!
 
2013-03-20 09:33:01 PM  

mightybaldking: Let's discuss the merits of the case.  When is someone an independent contractor and when are they an employee?
Key factors include:

Who has to actually perform the work?
An I.C. merely has to guarantee that the work is performed to an agreed upon standard.  An IC can sub-contract the work if they wish.
An employee is required do do the work him/her self.
So, can the stripper in question send her room-mate to cover a shift?

Who sets the hours and location?
An I.C. can come and go as they please, within reasonable constraints.  A construction worker can show up as early as the site opens, or as late as it closes.  When there are multiple trades involved, there may be scheduling issues with access to the site, and other dependencies (The painter can't go in before the drywaller), but generally, as long as the work is progressing at an agreed upon pace, you can set your own hours.

An employee is required to start at a set time, and leave at a set time.

Now Consider:  (ftfa)  a $15 penalty if they arrived late for work and a $100 penalty if they did not come to work without calling in advance.

Does this sound like an independent contractor?




I don't tip, contractors.

SteveB.jpg

You don't tip the boss, you tip the help.
 
2013-03-20 11:31:14 PM  
to folks in West Virginia people from Illinois must be pretty exotic
 
2013-03-20 11:38:21 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: West Virginia titty bars are well known as some of the coolest places to hang out in the DC Metro area.  No pasties, no rules!  They were naked, totally naked.

//Actually, there are lots of rules.  Like no dancing.  I went there w/a race car driver once (in a large group of people) and he got kicked out for it.  "No one dances 'cept the strippers, bub."  The was the night before I went to law school.


West VA is in the DC metro area?  Seems kinda far away.
 
2013-03-20 11:44:01 PM  

Bucky Katt: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: West Virginia titty bars are well known as some of the coolest places to hang out in the DC Metro area.  No pasties, no rules!  They were naked, totally naked.

//Actually, there are lots of rules.  Like no dancing.  I went there w/a race car driver once (in a large group of people) and he got kicked out for it.  "No one dances 'cept the strippers, bub."  The was the night before I went to law school.

West VA is in the DC metro area?  Seems kinda far away.


I knew a guy that drove in from Lynchburg, actually had an apartment in the DC and would go "home" for the weekends.

Federal employees get paid too much
 
2013-03-21 12:43:35 AM  
I'm more shocked that dudes in WV are paying to see someone else's sister naked...
 
2013-03-21 01:42:37 AM  

nekom: Yeah, they do.  And they're not toothless hicks, they're WVU students stripping to pay their way through college.


Hahaha don't tell me you actually fell for that line
 
2013-03-21 03:30:06 AM  
Dept. of Labor and local wage/hour boards respond to complaints; they don't have agents out on street patrol.

Of course not. But the numerous lawsuits have drawn media attention, so why not the government's? It IS their job, no?

They're losing revenue on all the various employment taxes, yet somehow they haven't acted?

/Stinks to high heaven IMO.
 
2013-03-22 08:08:39 AM  
The last time I was through Marinsburg and stopped at a WV "gentleman's club", one of the dancers was 5 months pregnant, one of them was missing her two front teeth, and a few shifts into our stay, a burly woman who we originally thought was the bouncer took the stage.  To be fair, two others were very hot, and not fark hot, but genuine hot.

Sunday afternoons, what are ya gonna do?
 
2013-03-22 08:58:58 AM  

Mateorocks: 1. West Virginia is not considered a part of the DC Metro area.


The Charles Town area is closer to D.C. than Baltimore and is well within the commuter zone, more and more so every month.

2. DC strip clubs are totally nude, as well.

Yes, but with more rules (some don't offer lap dances) and much higher drink prices.  It's usually less of a crap shoot regarding quality of dancer in D.C.

3. There are lots of them.

Unfortunately, fewer and fewer each year, it seems.  Surely not as thriving an industry has in W.V.

D.C. is closer to where I live and work, but the W.V. clubs are the greater attraction.  On the negative side, however, you are more likely to be hassled by the police leaving the Martinsburg area clubs, so having a DD can be helpful.
 
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